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Let's see your ar do this and still shoot.
>>29514967
Can THAT gun still fire?
>>29515010
Yes. These were the ones found on the Somalians that hijacked the Maersk Alabama.
This one too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgrJElGOMMg
>>29514967
Someone post AR vs AK mud test :)
Sealed system best system
>>29515050
>cherrypicking this hard
Go post that video of the ar15 being rusted up and buried for nearly 20 years and can still shoot
oh wait
>>29515029
All I can think about is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. when your weapon life bar is about 0 and it keeps jamming.
>>29515050
Til it burns off it's lube and replaces it with carbon fouling. Its not sealed from itself.
>>29514967
That means nothing to me cos I'd never let my guns ever get that way.
If you have to measure a weapon's quality in that way, then you have way bigger problems with who is using the weapon than how good the weapon supposedly is.
>>29515058
I haven't seen the rifle in OP shoot yet
>>29514967
aluminum doesnt rust
>>29515069
>well memed
>>29515069
>implying carbon will effect functioning in the brilliant stoner AR15 platform
Go look at the 30,000+ rd endurance tests
>>29515735
They lubed that gun periodically.
>>29515353
I believe he is referring to this old thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqL0dtIeTT8
>>29515758
>They lubed that gun periodically.
You mean how a soldier armed with that weapon would as well?
Why do some of you measure how good a gun is by how it can survive being handled by someone that's even more retarded than most actual retards?
>>29515361
it corrodes when left to the elements or we would build every damned thing out of it
>>29515785
>You mean how a soldier armed with that weapon would as well?
You mean like how a soldier armed with an AK would never literally dunk it in mud, fill the entire receiver, then try to fire it?
>>29515758
>periodically
Eh, that's still impressive to me.
>>29514967
So the AK is better for niggers and sandniggers that don't know how to clean and maintain their guns?
Good to know that by preferring the AK, you're saying that you have the same intelligence and know-how as them.
>>29515809
I wasn't defending any mud test, way to veer way off course.
Now I know that you're just an assblasted AK fanboy.
>>29514967
...but you ALREADY did this thread.
>>29513937
>>29515785
because most people that handle the AK as their primary combat rifle are pretty retarded.
I still find it odd that /k/ worships a weapon that is essentially built to withstand the hands of a complete moron and see nothing wrong with that. I like the AK but it's the Duplo of the gun world.
in an alternate reality it would be on the same spectrum as the highpoint but since the slavs use it /k/ thinks it's the best thing since that peanut butter with jelly inside
>>29515814
Niggers in Africa and sand niggers in the middle east do that all the time, minus the lube
Oh look another AK vs. AR thread
>not owning both
>>29515758
Every 10,000rds is not "periodically"
Realistically you would never shoot more than 1,000rds in the field without lubing up.
All you know is memes
>>29515789
It corrodes completely differently than steel. Aluminum forms a thin sacrificial layer, and the corrosion won't go any deeper than that. Steel, not so much.
>>29515830
>I wasn't defending any mud test, way to veer way off course.
>>29515050
>Someone post AR vs AK mud test :)
???
>>29515850
Are you going to carry both too, faggot?
>>29515867
That wasn't me, m8. Wrong guy.
>>29515867
dif ppl friendo
>>29515852
https://www.slip2000.com/blog/s-w-a-t-magazine-filthy-14/
>It has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube (EWL).
>>29515835
Newsflash: Your average infantry soldier worldwide is retarded, no matter what country.
>>29515839
I guess if I ever (God forbid) become some variety of nigger, I know which rifle I need. Good thing I'm an American who has a lot of training and trigger time with the AR platform.
>>29515879
Certainly not impossible. I'd choose one depending on what role I need it to fill.
>>29515890
>>29515884
Then why did you post a reply from your cell phone to make it look like there were suddenly two people active in this conversation?
>>29515855
it corrodes almost exactly the same way steel does. The only difference being the oxide in steel is red/orange and aluminum oxide is white/grey
just google aluminum corrosion if you've never seen it before
>>29515904
>thang dog i hab a higher madenence rible wid no benefids!
*clapping noise intensifies*
>>29515908
>this elaborate conspiracy theorist
Holy shit Ive seen you in atleast three threads saying this same exact shit in the last month
you are not good at finding samefags give up friendo
>>29515925
Welp, you're a retard.
>>29515930
Okay, I guess it's just a coincidence that the guy who originally made the mud test comment disappeared for half an hour, then miraculously showed up to make a post agreeing with you 30 seconds after your post.
Seems legit.
Nothing sketchy here.
I'm clearly just inventing wild conspiracies.
Probably because I'm mad and autistic.
>>29515953
I am the one who made the mud test comment and then I ate dinner and came back.
I cant help if I have valid points friend
>>29515953
>taking shitposting this seriously
don't you have walls of text about the utility of .40 caliber or decrying anime online to post?
AK vs AR thread is a classic. I thrive on this. Having said that,
Fucking ak pleebs still trying to justify the existence of thier shit tier gun. 300 blk blows ak's out of the water. Plus I bet an AR could do that and still run but they're too useful to be buried for months in the middle East.
>>29515953
Just let him samefag...
>>29515972
I'm honestly confused about how you could read my post, and come to the conclusion that I'm taking anything seriously.
Maybe your cock lust is clouding your judgement again?
AR15 and AK are equal
Different strokes for different folks
>>29515975
>300 blk blows ak's out of the water
I was honestly about to reply to this before I remembered that you're just shitposting.
lol
That was a close one!
>>29516003
Leave this thread sir, it's reserved for idiots.
>>29515784
>ak covered in red dirt
>clean it off
>surprised it works
>buried in a dry heat region
being mostly aluminum, im sure an AR would survive just fine.
>>29515918
Except that it doesn't.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-09/amazing-rusting-aluminum
>By rusting, aluminum is forming a protective coating that's chemically identical to sapphire--transparent, impervious to air and many chemicals, and able to protect the surface from further rusting: As soon as a microscopically thin layer has formed, the rusting stops.
>>29516012
>about to reply
But you did. So. Hurr durr
>>29516065
bro just google aluminum corrosion as the pictures themselves are pretty interesting
why doesn't somebody post a video jeez
Kalash
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU
Stoner
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU
>>29516101
akfags go through all lengths possible to defend their poorfag junk
>>29516151
i'm not even arguing the ak vs ar thing i'm just point out that aluminum corodes as well
The AK is so shitty its killed hundreds of thousands over the years and is still one of the most if not the most used rifle on battle fields to this day.
>>29515850
im a poorfag who only owns an AK...so i feel compelled to shill for it.
>>29516460
Anything we own we attempt to justify
>>29514967
I only own an ar.
But I don't give a shit about which one is better, I just enjoy what i have since I know I'll be getting an AK down the road.
>>29516491
you're not autistic enough for /k/
Corvette vs Mustang
>>29515029
>Knocking on pokemon
Despicable.
>>29515925
Are you a dumb nigger?
>>29516468
>>29516470
it keeps telling me that ARs are a shit.
I couldn't hear you over your faggotry op
>>29516584
Neither is shit you autist. They're both legitimate firearms.
>>29516584
>be inna localgunstore
>pick up cool new colt le6920
>wasr 10/63 on the rack begins yelling at me
>"PEDIK, FUCKING BLYAT GET ASS OVER HERE FUCK AMERICA PIG DISGUSTING DO NOT BUY, SHIT WEAR EAT AND NOT RELIABILITY"
>colt le6920 mutters "mud test" under its breath
>"SAAAAAAH FUCKING DOG FILTH PIG SHIT DESIGN YOUR MOTHER WAS BLYAT PIECE OF SHIT SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY UMERET AMERIKANSKAYA SOBAKA-SVINYA"
>>29516600
the mud test didn't surprise me.
This one did.
>>29516614
but....anon. i have an AK. and only an AK.
Its clearly a better firearm design since thats the one i own.
ARs are a shit
>>29516665
Such is life
>>29515970
>>29515050
>hundred of thousands rusty, dirty, muddy AKs in africa still working
>b-but muh mud test!!!
>>29516665
laughingsluts.jpg
>>29516843
we all know how much /k/ respects and admires those africans
>Slavboo gets so fucking triggered he has to start multiple>muh ak threads in one day
>>29516865
fuck the africans, i'm talking about their fucking wrecked AKs still working without ever seeing a single drop of lube/oil and still spitting bullets
>>29516879
is this a line from some rap song?
>>29516912
i dont listen to rap
>>29514967
nobody who owns an AR is dumb enough to let their Ar get like that you nigger
>>29516926
oh you just like the tools of the trade i guess. "spittin' boolets wit yo ay kay foh tay sebun"
>>29516948
>>29516912
keked much harder at these posts than i should have
>>29516956
you like a gun that's preferred by simpletons and lazy niggers is what i'm saying
you got no class son
jesus christ OP, you got pretty fucking buttblasted eh?
Let's see that rifle in your picture shoot?
>>29516015
>the ironing of this post because of how much of an assmad AK fag you're
>>29516980
you're trying so hard to avoid what i actually said, how cute.
>>29515058
>posts a picture of a rusted gun claiming it's fine, and uses that as the only evidence against a videotaped controlled test
>accuses others of cherrypicking
>>29517092
>dozens of examples with rusty AKs like that working
>single test with AR
yeah you're cherrypicking
>>29515029
>>29514967
>>29515058
>>29516843
>>29517112
Did I rustle you anon? Come out to the next 2gun match out here in arizona and we can test your AK.
>>29517145
>still ignoring all the examples in favour of the AK
my jimmies are fine, but you seem to have soiled yourself, anon.
>>29517220
Serious, come out to the next two gun match we put on. I'll be there anon and I can introduce you to Karl. (I'll be running an AK also)
Don't be upset, all sacred cows must die.
>>29517244
ill come if you pay my plane ticket from sweden
![WP_20160324_002[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FVpU1ko.jpg "WP_20160324_002[1].jpg")
Those torture test vids from Ian and InRange have to be the best things to hit this board all year so far.
>>29517255
So what you're telling me is that you don't own an AR or an AK anon?
>>29517266
>no one outside MURIKA owns guns
>>29517261
I-Is that an M72 RPK, Milsurp?
>>29517290
you didn't answer my question hans friendo
let's see your ak with timestamp
>>29517309
and you ignored every pro-ak example so we could call it even then
>>29517309
>>29517266
>Swedes can't own firearms
http://www.sweden.org.za/gun-laws-in-sweden.html
>>29516328
>making fun of the 60+ pe cent of people who own guns and keep the gov't from taking them
>>29517315
I'm not anti-AK, nor am I pro-AR.
I'm pro-facts. Shitposting pictures of rusted ak47s doesn't change anything inrangeTV's test.
They never said that AKs are not reliable, not did they say that ARs are perfectly reliable. Instead they did an actual controlled test that simulates a realistic circumstance (i.e. dropping your gun into mud) and showed that the AR's design is superior under those circumstances. A rusty ass AK47 that may or may not function properly is totally immaterial to that test.
>>29517325 I didn't say he didn't own guns, just implied that it was very unlikely he actually had any experience with AKs or ARs. And obviously I'm not wrong.
>>29517376
read the fucking thread and do your own research, another anon already posted a video. im not gonna spoonfeed you.
and you can imply all you want but you're still a faggot for ignoring parts of the argument and then avoiding it again when called out by attacking the person.
also, one does not have to own a gun to be knowledgeable about it, and owning single digits of guns is just anecdotal evidence.
>>29517365
Oh I own guns, son.
Owned them a lot longer than you.
And yes I have both.
Long before there was all the fag shit to put on them. Like a doll.
They aren't so different as long as both are made well. And you take care of them.
You people are like niggers some times.
>>29517532
>son
nothin' personnel, kid.
>>29515058
There are rice farmers in vietnam that are still using 50 year old chromed m16s.
All that plastic came in handy!
>>29517513
I have read the thread, and it reads like ever other thread about this topic.
The truth is both are fine rifles, and while the AK is a bit more reliable if you're not going to do any maintenance both guns are reliable enough. The mud-test shows a clear advantage of the AR platform, in being relatively well sealed. The best argument for the AK used to be the price, but that's not really the case anymore anyways.
>one does not have to own a gun to be knowledgeable about it, and owning single digits of guns is just anecdotal evidence
Bwhahahahhahahaha, come back to me when you've shot both platforms for over ten years and maybe then I'll respect your opinion. You autists really believe that you can become experts on something with enough time on google don't you
Having kept guns near sea water, I'd be surprised if that AK didn't function. Rust is somewhat self limiting, so the structural integrity of the action and barrel will be fine for years. The barrel will corrode after a while (even if chromed), resulting in key holing, and 15"+ MOA groups. However, below 100yds it's still gonna be pretty devastating.
AR-15's actually deal with salt water corrosion well. The chrome bore, aluminum receiver, and dust cover keep the corrosion primarily cosmetic.
>>29517630
+1
>>29517599
>>29517675
Either show us that an AR fails under those conditions, or that the AK in the picture functions perfectly.
Let's see some actual data or tests, not just "but AKs in Africa never jam".
More likely you'll keep shitposting dumb pictures and trite retorts.
>>29517657
Small bore shotguns fair the best, since grouping doesn't really matter in the same way as a rifle. Larger bore shotguns have issues with too much air circulation accelerating rust, though chrome certainly helps here.
When out at sea shotguns are really nice, because waves make it more difficult to aim precisely. Pellets also don't skip like rifle rounds will, making them a bit safer if you fuck up, and neglect to check beyond your target. Semi-auto is generally nice because you'll need to make more follow up shots than on land.
ARs are better looking.
>>29517716
you already have the video of the AK buried for 18 years in this thread, and here's the source for OP's pic:
http://twower.livejournal.com/885168.html
>Opyжиe, кoнфиcкoвaннoe y пиpaтoв. Hecмoтpя нa внeшний вид, oнo paбoчee, внyтpи cмaзaнo кaким-тo oтpaбoтaнным мacлoм.
>Weapons seized from the pirates. Despite appearances, it is working, inside lubricated some residual oil.
>>29517792
what's with the picture of two dicks touching on that rifle?
>>29517806
i know you're memeing but for the benefit of the doubt that's a spider
>>29517806
Only a closeted fag would think the spikes spider looks like dicks.
If anything it looks like vaders helmet
>>29517806
hey fag :^)
>>29517798
Do you have videos of ARs failing after being buried, dug up, and cleaned?
>Weapons seized from the pirates. Despite appearances, it is working, inside lubricated some residual oil.
Outside is rusted, inside is oiled. Are you surprised they worked? Do you think ARs would fail with rust on the exterior?
Keep going...
>>29517836
>>29517825
>If anything it looks like vaders helmet
lel i thought this too
>confiscated from a poacher
>>29517853
That's basically what I expected.
>>29517836
how about you find an AR buried for almost 2 decades that still works and post it here
>>29517878
>implying samefag
>>29516600
While I do see the merits of this test, the jam that occurred could be cleared very easily, and the gun was not inoperable. The mud test, of course, rendered the gun inoperable.
>>29517948
you don't get this whole comparison thing do you?
the merits of inrange's test was that both guns were tested under the same circumstances
otherwise you're just making guesses
>>29517874
shit anon...i've seen some beat up AK's but i think that one takes the cake
>>29518001
the only thing i dont get is you ignoring half the argument (and now basically arguing about something totally different) laid out by me and other anons earlier in the thread and then just moving the goalposts
>>29518047
You're trying to trash inrange's test with anecdotal evidence that AKs can be mistreated and still function.
I'm teaching you that to make a valid comparison, you need run the same test on both rifles.
Simple stuff bud
>>29518122
But 1 each is still not a valid test, to be treated as such you have to do the test many times with
1 a control group 10 of each fired till malfunction no lubing past start
2 same but with lubing every 500 rounds
3 10 rifles tossed in river/pond
4 10 rifles dropped in mud not poured
5 10 rifles fired during sandstorm like conditions not dropping dirt on the gun but a huge fan in the middle of the dessert
If any one has the money for 10 colts/fn ar15s and 10 arsenal 5.45 aks would you please conduct this test.
>>29515058
Well I honestly think an ar would fare reasonably well being buried.
>>29514967
The Ar wouldn't have rusted in the first place. AK owners are mongoloids
>>29517244
>>29517266
why do you have so many pictures of karl ?
>>29518300
Explain how a steel bolt and barrel don't rust also aluminum does corrode.
>>29515058
> ar15
> Aluminum Gun
> Rusting
Lrn2metalurgy
>>29518360
parkerization and proper preservative
>>29518392
AKs have 1 and why would you get to preserve a guy's gun that died 10 years ago and dropped it?
>>29515785
Wouldnt you want a retard proof gun? How about a retard proof car?
How about a retard proof chainsaw where no matter what, be it rust on the components, been soaked in saltwater or whatever it would still fire/drive/saw no matter what?
>>29518370
>it's all aluminum
It's shit.
>>29518416
>not cleaning your gun between fire fights
>not reapplying CLP to your gun
i wasn't implying that AKs can't be cared for i literally said that AK owners are too retarded to do proper maintenance. The AR is also better suited to not rust because parkerized aluminum basically doesn't rust or oxidize without some extreme conditions.
>>29518418
given the other gun was oiled inside and taken care of, poorly but maintenance was given none the less. The one that was buried was in a cardboard box to keep most sand and grit out in a relatively dry climate and probably grease or oiled before burial and on top of that oiled generously after recovery.
I like the AK but c'mon, use some sense.
>>29518508
>AK owners are too retarded to do proper maintenance
I'm not sure where you get that idea from given most people that know how to clean it do regularly and the AR's reciver won't rust for many many years but the uppers and internals are mostly carbon steels that will seize up once the water gets under the oil or grease.
>>29518508
The aluminum is not parked its a paint based finish.
>>29518564
>cardboard box
HAHAHA
Try dropped in hole.
>>29518508
>not owning both AK and AR
Britbong, plz
>>29518260
You're describing a better test, but the one they performed is still controlled.
Not all studies need large sample sizes, it just helps for small effect sizes or if you expect a lot of variability between samples (not something you would expect from mil-spec ARs).
>>29518291
Yup
>>29518333
We're facebook friends.
>>29518370
aluminum corrodes too. As an A&P mech im always replacing exfoliated aluminum parts or picking off surface corrosion and painting over it.
Why the fuck is everyone in this thread so damn emotional. They're just fucking guns you dipshits. They're machines. We can fucking scientifically verify how they will function under certain circumstances, so why the fuck is there all this shit flinging?
>>29518587
what the fuck are you talking about. i will run paint thinner over my receiver right now.
>>29518564
>AR's reciver won't rust for many many years but the uppers and internals are mostly carbon steels that will seize up once the water gets under the oil or grease.
its a lot less likely that shit will get up inside an AR because of the way its designed
>>29517806
>model
>PEN15
>>29518674
Wow, this, family.
>>29518666
>We're facebook friends.
does he know you are satan? are you the guy who grabbed ians butt? do either of them lurk /k/ i know they are aware of it and ian is slightly weirded out by all the stuff directed at him but do the lurk?
>>29514967
>>29515029
man they just did NOT give a fuck about their gear did they.
>>29518666
Like the anon up thread who did a 1 on 1 mud test and both passed?
So a larger sample size is needed to see which tests are flukes.
>>29518674
Because people don't want to feel cheated out of their money or otherwise behind the curve of self-defense/tacticoolness.
Plus, it's wednesday night.
>>29518587
It's anodization, which is a controlled layer of aluminum oxide, most are done this way becasue it is more durable and in many cases cheaper on a large scale than painting, can also make plenty of pretty colors to it.
>>29518612
AK receivers are about 1.5mm of carbon steel, it doesn't take much for corrosion around rivet heads for something to shake loose. Try this anywhere but some sandpit, peat bog or desert tundra and it will rust through eventually. This is not dissing the AK this is a statement of the nature of stamped carbon steel.
>>29518675
It's relatively sealed but it's not water tight and Carpenter's steel will rust eventually
>>29518695
>are you the guy who grabbed ians butt?
That's Andrew, and no I'm not him.
>do either of them lurk /k/ i know they are aware of it and ian is slightly weirded out by all the stuff directed at him but do the lurk?
They don't lurk here as far as I know, but I showed Karl some of the earlier threads regarding the mud tests and he was delighted by the amount of butthurt. He loves AKs more than anyone here probably but more than anything else he hates stupid memes like "AKs don't ever jam and ARs are unreliable".
>>29518712
Literally where?
>>29515975
>AR fags spend decades shitting on 7.62x39 for being an inferior round (and ignoring 5.45x39)
>suddenly treating .300blk, a round designed to emulate 7.62x39 ballistics, like it's God's gift to guns and this huge revolution in gun design
I admit it's pretty fucking cool that you can still use STANAG mags tooth
>>29518675
Depends on the brand but millspec finishes will get fucked up by shit like acetone and brake cleaner.
>>29518767
Sorry other AR vs AK bait thread thats up right now.
>>29514828
>>29518802
its Hard anodized with an added coloring
>>29518783
>they are the same people
Caliber fags and platform fags have a lot of overlap but they are rarely the same people.
>>29518802
>millspec
I don't know what the fuck the local granary arms their guards with but mil-spec is chromic anodization and hard anodization, neither of which involve fucking paint.
>>29518835
Probably different testing conditions = different results.
Karl and Ian make a point in their videos to speculate about if they would do X or Y they would probably get something different, but you'll notice they always apply the mud in the same fashion during each test.
I wouldn't call either test a fluke (assuming the random /k/ poster you're citing even is telling the truth), it just further reinforces the point that you need to do a consistent testing protocol to make valid comparisons.
I'm not saying the inrange tests are the best possible, just that they are a valuable data point in this discussion because they're performed in a relatively consistent fashion (unlike some random video of an AK being buried or picture of a rusted AK).
>>29515029
Somalians are the filthiest fucking people in the world.
>>29518952
I still want someone with a lot more money than me to run the complete battery of 10v10 tests.
>>29519017
So do I, so do we all. Maybe on day somebody will actually do it.
One decently done test was this: http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
Only the DoD runs tests on that type of scale, and likely keep the results classified.
>>29519017
I'm pretty sure if you know where to look and you're willing to dive through endless pages of technical bullshit the US Army would have you covered for the AR.
>you will never be given a truck full of ammo and rifles and told to come back until the ammo's gone or the rifles are broken
>>29514967
based Ian
>>29516548
God damn. Eevee is so cute. About twice as cute as an AK, at least.
>>29517325
Wow...that seems like a pain in the ass. Also, it's not extremely informative as to the particulars of the gun restrictions. However, it does appear as though Swede's may own guns.
>>29519195
>evee is the base AK and the eveeluotions are the innumerable variants
In other news /vp/ is still complete shit.
>>29517806
Dammit...cannot unsee
Fucking vatniks man
>>29518706
It makes me think that if it weren't for the AK we wouldn't have all these sandniggers and whatnot using weapons, I mean some might properly use a rifle but that's almost impossible with how these insurgents get equipped.
I like to think they would just resort to using bolt action while other parts of the world are enjoying AR-15s.
>>29515058
You really do seem mad.
>>29519752
If not the AK it would be some other rifle a large and long collapsed federation mass produced and sold in a hurry. Even if it was the AR it would simply be a matter of teaching them how to take it apart, wipe with an oily rag and start shooting again.
>>29519752
Dipshit, ARs are common as fuck in parts of the world where NATO sent the most money.
Have you actually never seen pictures of Flip child soldiers packing 50-year-old M16s?
Fuck, I can't even count the amount of times I got muzzle swept in Belize by dudes wearing mismatched old American fatigues with M16s that looked like they had each been slapped together from 5 rifles declared unserviceable by the US military 2 decades ago.
>>29519803
Lee Enfield
Mauser
Nugget
SKS
Type 63/68
Type 81
FAL
G3
M14
AR10
Ar15
Take your pic.
>>29519752
Probably battle rifles, SKS's or whatever rifle the soviet union mass produced instead and then gave away to their enemy's enemy.
>>29517112
>>29517220
So where are these totally not-anecdotal examples, anon? :^)
>>29517315
>Literally no example of an AK being more reliable
>"Why are you ignoring all of these examples anon? Are you assblasted yet? xDD"
>AKs are more accurate than fuddlore credits them as being
>ARs are more reliable than fuddlore credits them as being
Anyone who has experience with both guns should already know this.
Though one thing I would like to point out is that an AK disabled in the manner these mud tests show would be fairly easy to get back online:
>pop off dust cover
>invert
>rack bolt a couple times.
While an AR is MUCH more difficult to disable the same way, it's not impossible:
>Empty magazine, bolt locks back
>Drop gun during reload
>Oh no it fell in a mud puddle with the bolt open
And once the gun is in said condition, it'll be tougher to get going again by virtue of the same design that makes it so hard to actually get shit into the action in the first place.
Also the likelihood of this happening to either rifle is pretty much nil if you're using a sling (and you should be).
There are plenty of examples of these guns surviving muddy combat conditions all over the world over the last half-century. And there are plenty of examples of less-reliable guns never having the same problems despite being put through equally-shitty conditions.
tl;dr shut up, both are fine.
>>29518688
https://youtu.be/ZkXe62gR8YM
>>29516600
nice meme
>>29522682
How to stop a thread from being pruned, 2.0
>>29517220
>favour
Guys he is a Bong and doesn't know what he is talking about
>>29515918
Yea no, it doesn't. You're wrong end of story. I can say this with certainty as a guy who lives in very corrosive environment and sees steel vs aluminum on a daily basis. Now if you're trying to talk about 316 stainless steel, thats a whole different thing
>>29516101
Look, aluminum oxidizes. But it's atomic structure with oxidation is such a tightly sealed structure that OXYGEN cannot penetration the oxidized layer well if at all. Therefore it has highly less oxidation occurring over the surface of the material. Hence why lots of boat trailers are made from aluminum. Hence why boats use aluminum for all rigging if it isn't stainless steel. You obviously don't live near any corrosive environment or you would understand this yourself. Have you never noticed how brake rotors will have rust on them after a light rain? Yet aluminum parts in the same environment have little to no oxidation on them.
>>29516264
It corrodes, but no where near mild steel. Iron will degrade rapidly compared to aluminum. But it's ok, you can keep thinking aluminum is stupid
>>29514967
I think a better question is if you even WANT to shoot those.
>>29520210
I hear crickets.
>>29519017
The thing is, like another anon stated upthread, a large sample size is not really needed for these types of tests. Unless the example used is out of working spec (which it shouldn't be if it even left the factory in the first place), differences between individual units tested will be more or less inconsequential. Like other anon said, this is an area where there is relatively little individual variation. This isn't medical or social testing we're talking about, it's a mass produced machine with commonly interchangeable parts.
The more important thing is that the tests are performed in a consistent fashion, hence >>29518952
emphasis on
>I'm not saying the inrange tests are the best possible, just that they are a valuable data point in this discussion because they're performed in a relatively consistent fashion (unlike some random video of an AK being buried or picture of a rusted AK).
And of course, even consistently and effectively performed individual tests can be tailored or biased to expose particular weaknesses or highlight certain strengths. InRange's mud test exposed the AK's contaminant ingress vulnerable design. A high drop test would likely put an AR out of commission from bending the receiver extension vs an AK. Or an over-the-beach test, or what have you.
Basically, the mud test was just done to burn the AK reliabilateh sacred cow. AKs in africa don't contribute much to the discussion, or about as much as pointing to ancient M16s in SEA. And looking at the worst examples of rusted out AKs, what proportion do you expect are fully functional? As opposed to perfectly-suitable-for-uneducated-tribal-militias straight pulls? How many are just horrendous exterior surface rust with reasonable interiors? Where are counter examples of ARs in similar conditions to draw an actual comparison to? It's all anecdotes and fuddlore.
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>>29515058
>rust / bury test
>Aluminum alloy gun that's sealed
I have no doubt that if you take a working AR, burry it for the same amount of time it will shoot as well as when it was buried
>>29520341
ReasonableAnon pls go. Your kind has no place here.
>>29516665
I chuckled. Who's that old drawfag that used to make comics around here? I think this has potential.
>>29520150
And actually since they would be forced to do single fire they might actually have better performance than the spray-fest normally done.
