Why aren't Military Motorbikes more common?
>>29511700
Are mini-me's standard issue in the British military?
>>29511700
For the same reason practically nobody uses them in real life: they're dangerous, they can't carry shit, and they're loud as fuck.
The worst four-wheeled vehicle is still more useful than the best two-wheel.
Motorcycles are for scouting and air assets have made the obsolete.
>>29511741
>They're dangerous
Bullshit, that's the same logic anti-gunners use. They are not inherently dangerous, it's how they are handled which determines the danger factor.
>>29511741
Only dangerous on crowded roads where other drivers in bigger machines can kill you.
They are not inherently more dangerous than ATVs or Cars unless you do not know what you are doing
You can get around on a Dirtbike easier than an ATV or car
>>29511800
They are inherently dangerous though, a fuck up on a bike and a fuck up in a closed vehicle with seat belts lead to very different outcomes.
>>29511800
>>29511815
Found the two-wheel faggots.
Why don't you just buy a real vehicle instead of breathlessly defending your poor choices on the internet? Do you really think these shitty posts are going to change the fact that motorbikes kill more people than any other vehicle?
>>29511721
manlets only get the 50cc version
>>29511700
They offer zero protection to the rider, cant carry shit, have less range than most other military vehicles, and in a military setting would generally be slower than a quad. Also they're very loud and require far more operator skill.
>>29511700
They have limited use in a military. That's it.
>>29511800
>Bullshit, that's the same logic anti-gunners use.
You know how I can tell you won't be passing on your genes?
>>29511850
They aren't any louder than any other vehicle. Exhausts are a thing.
>>29511865
>They aren't any louder than any other vehicle.
This is plainly untrue.
>>29511721
>>29511700
>posting diesel motorbikes people are fucking dying for but the company refuses to sell to the public
i h8 u so much right now OP
>>29511800
No they are inherently dangerous compared to a four wheel drive vehicle.
>>29511850
>Cant carry shit
Mine moves my giant ass around just fine. Im sure a grunt could haul ass with his ruck
>Less range then....
Gonna stop right there. 45mpg
>they're loud
not really
All your other points are correct.
>>29511865
Have ever been around a dirtbike? Theyre horrendously loud. Especially when compared to something like a utility quad (yes some of the sport/racing quads can be really loud too).
>>29511879
I know right ? fucking scumbags.
>>29511879
I've seen one on auction before.
>>29511895
They can be loud but just put a real muffler on it
>>29511836
>Being mad
Show us on the doll where the motorbike touched you anon.
I was a soldier and am a motorcycle rider.
I would have loved to have been on a motorcycle during convoys in Iraq. Riding out ahead and looking for IEDs. It would be better than being in a M998 with improvised armor.
>>29511908
Right after you show me where the four-wheeler touched you.
Having this level of hatred for four-wheeled vehicles is practically comical.
They're fucking great for runners. You can get a message / supplies out to just about anywhere you want at great speeds. They're highly valuable.
>>29511912
>I would have loved to have died in the most foolish way possible
>and that's why I think motorbikes should be a thing, because I want to die
It's not a great argument.
Try it again.
>>29511890
>hurr im fat and it carries me!
Unless youre full hamplanet you still weigh less than a soldier and the 100+ pounds of gear he carries. That still equals NO cargo. No extra fuel, water, or ammo, the stuff every other military vehicle ever has carried.
>45mpg
The diesel/multifuel ones are around 30mpg. Also a 3 or less gallon tank (most dirtbikes have a 1gal or 1.5gal tank) still gives you a third of the range of a quad.
>>29511919
Who ever said I "hated four wheel vehicles"? I can't drive my sedan off road or on dirt trails, so I got a dirt bike.
>>29511836
This.
If the 2wheel fags want, I can post countless videos of retards on bikes killing themselves being fucking stupid and unsafe. Most motorbike people are OK, but there is always the crotch-rocket retards that end up with their guts and brains all over the road from riding like unsupervised children.
Just a funny side note - my neighbor started sprinkling the curve near his home with stones when retards on bikes would blast through at 3am waking everyone up. 2 days after sprinkling, one of the guys being a prick ended up destroying his bike into a tree as he slid into a ditch. They stopped coming down the road.
http://www.christini.com/bikes/christini-awd-military
>>29511700
Let's consider the era when military style motorcycles were used at their maximum. Motorcycles came around in the late 19th century and early 20th century when cars and motor vehicles were all fairly new technology that hadnt been fully developed yet. Couple the fact that the first half of the 20th century saw large scale total war, where mobilization and information were key to many military successes, it makes perfect sense as to why you'd keep motorcylces. Fast and light scouts who have very good MPG for the time (much more economical than cars/tanks/half tracks) could travel between points more quicks and efficiently and provide communication, intel, and surveillance. In addition to this many units in WWII specifically utilized motorcycles for troop transport. One of the most prominent was the British 'Flying Flea' that was dropped with soldiers and used to transport the paratroopers in place of a car. But fast forward 70+ years later, with the advent of more complex and efficient flight technology, satellites, radio, and unmanned drones, motorcycles are honestly a relic when it comes to basically any role they used to fill.
>>29511925
Foolish is being in an over burdened truck with armor that is really just future shrapnel. Stuck between larger trucks. Just waiting to get blown up.
At least on a bike. Getting blown up would be my fault and my fault only.
>>29511922
>supplies
And what cargo capacity does a dirtbike have? One cubic foot/20lbs in panniers?
>>29511922
>You can get a message / supplies out to just about anywhere you want at great speeds. They're highly valuable.
At the speed of light even.
>>29511943
>having armor is foolish when you're just going to die anyway
>so just cut to the chase and die
Hint: You're not supposed to die.
>>29511946
A bike can at least carry another 200 pounds in addition to the rider.
Even the 250cc Bike I had while stationed in Japan. Could carry my 6'2" 200 pound self and a 110 pound japanese woman at 70mph.
>>29511925
Ok, now you're just being assblasted.
He never said bikes are better choice than four wheel vehicles.
Besides that, why do you care to tell us how dangerous riding is? Won't stop us, their fun as fuck. Youre probably too much of a fucking pussy to ride one so thats why you hate them.
And for the record, I also own a car.
>>29511922
>You can get a message / supplies out to just about anywhere you want at great speeds.
It's not the 1920's anymore, a truck can go just as fast as a motorbike and it can carry thousands of times more weight.
Your argument only makes sense if we were magically transported 100 years into the past.
>>29511946
Whatever the guy can carry in his pack, so a few thousand rounds. If you need more capacity, you send a quad, but a quad can't reach places a bike can.
>>29511966
A truck can't go over a ditch and into a thick forest, nor can it reach the frontline and quickly resupply a squad, then go back for more supplies.
>>29511871
>>29511895
I own multiple and unless you have a 2stroke with some horrendous exhaust kit they aren't louder than a atv. The military uses diesel bikes anyway, much quieter.
>>29511966
Bikes are faster when innawoods.
>>29511964
>why do you care to tell us how dangerous riding is?
Because I was responding to the OP's question you insufferable autist.
>Youre probably too much of a fucking pussy to ride one so thats why you hate them.
The patheticism seeping from this line alone is staggering. You're not cool because you ride a bike, kid.
>>29511974
Also, now that I think of it, that's not exactly a quad, is it?
>>29511953
Not an argument
>>29511974
>>29511978
These are these things called "roads". They're new. Perhaps you haven't heard of them.
>>29511874
Fucking keker
>>29511928
Most trail bikes especially the military ones could easily carry around 300 pounds at speed. A rack on the back can hold a number of different things, like ammo, water, fuel, another pack.
>>29511874
thank you
>>29511966
Also, a motorbike can VERY quickly be camouflaged and taken into action again, whilst taking the frozen camo net off a truck takes minutes, same for putting it back on again.
>>29511986
There's this thing called bait. You should use it instead of just tossing the entire fishing pole into the water.
>>29511937
its a Honda gas motor.
>>29511959
In the form of a rider perhaps but where would you put *cargo*?
>which is why I said cargo capacity, not squinty slut capacity
>>29511985
>I can't think of a response so I'll just claim that I don't need to give one
but you just gave one...and it's shit. why did you even reply?
do you think that everyone is reading your post now and going "Yeah that guy totally had a great reply and knows what he's talking about"? or do you think that they're thinking pic related?
which of these two scenarios is more likely to you?
It's kind of neat to see non riders perspective on those who so ride, it is sort of how non gun owners sometimes view gun owners.
Both communities can be super toxic. Open carriers and rednecks are to the gun community, as street racers and (most) crotch rocket riders are to the biking community. Both can be equally autistic as well when it comes to defending their hobby.
There are responsible people in both groups, yet they are never the ones getting the attention. Food for thought.
>>29512000
Inside a backpack. You can resupply a whole squad worth of ammunition in one go.
![id_mgator_700_20[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PuloxHk.jpg "id_mgator_700_20[1].jpg")
Tactical Gators.
These things made running errands in garrison, field, or deployed; so much more enjoyable.
I even got a speeding ticket from an MP on one. Got out of it, because no speedo, so how could I stay in the speed limit?
>>29512011
Nobody gives a fuck about your motorcycle apologist bullshit.
The OP's question was very clear and has nothing to do with your crotch rocket garbage. The military does not drive those things.
>>29512021
Or you can just drive a truck and carry two tons of ammo.
If your whole resupply strategy is based around backpacks and motorcycles, you're fucked.
>>29511950
If only you weren't a namefag, that would have been a decent post.
Post your bikes!
>>29512021
Because a backpack with "a couple thousand rounds" of ANY ammo is going to weigh hundreds of pounds minimum, and even assuming the bearer is some Hellenic hulk like demigod that can actually wear it it would make riding on anything other than a paved road in a straight line impossible.
A quad carries more, farther, over the exact same terrain. Which is why militaries use them instead of bikes.
>>29512044
I could strap 200 pounds of ammo cans to a motorcycle. While carrying a few more cans in a backpack.
in the future surely we'll have those robot horses to carry us supplies to hard reach places?
>>29512062
Here she blows
>>29511700
Because they're as common as they are needed to be. They're used by runners to access the frontline quickly and efficiently or navigate fast through terrain that cannot be accessed via other motorized means. They're also used to run errands in areas where cars would work, but take too much effort to take out of cover.
>>29512044
>Or you can just drive a truck and carry two tons of ammo.
Straight into the frontline, are you dumb? Trucks carry the ammo into the battalion's territory, from where smaller vehicles take it forward to the troops themselves. ATVs and bikes are excellent for this role.
COIN logistics don't work during proper war.
>>29512066
Thats like 4 ammo cans, and no youre not carrying 100-150lbs of ammo cans in a backpack and riding anything.
>>29512066
200 lbs of ammo isn't shit.
Just use a truck. What the fuck is so hard about that?
Every military on earth has trucks. They are all used for this purpose. They've been used for that purpose for a hundred years. There is no reason whatsoever to stop using them now.
>>29512062
My home built rack. Bolts right onto the frame.
>>29512065
You act like utility racks don't exist
>>29512080
>Straight into the frontline
Nope, never said that.
Delete your post and try again, fuckhead. You can't just make shit up and then respond to it. You are literally talking to yourself here.
>>29512065
Fair enough. Let's say 1500 rounds, which is enough to resupply a squad's ammunition easily, unless they're completely depleted.
>A quad carries more, farther, over the exact same terrain. Which is why militaries use them instead of bikes.
Which is why the Finnish Defence Force uses both? A bike can get up and down a deep ditch that an ATV can't. A bike is far more maneuverable.
>>29512099
Bikes are used to carry ammunition into the frontline, you hare-brained fucktard. That's been my entire argument the whole time, cunt.
>>29512080
>motorbikes are used for delivering ammo to the front line
HOLY SHIT I CANNOT BELIEVE SOMEONE WROTE SOMETHING THIS FUCKING RETARDED
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>>29511933
>being proud of a neighbor who attempted to murder a motorist because you found his actions annoying
>>29512098
Forgot pic.
>>29512098
You act like the couple people going LOL USE A BACKPACK dont exist.
And, no, cargo racks of sufficient size for military use do not exist for dirtbikes.
But guess what they do exist for? Quads and UTVs.
How about pairs of motorcycles working at ATGM/MANPAD teams?
One bike carries a Javelin/Stinger launcher already loaded and and one extra missile. The other bike carries 2 missiles.
>>29512105
Excuse me, but I told you to delete your post and try again.
>>29512080
>>29512105
>100% of ammunition is delivered entirely by motorbikes from the factory to the front line
I guess this is what trolling is now?
You could at least make an attempt.
>>29511933
I can post countless videos of car drivers killing themselves by being fucking stupid and unsafe. But when they do there is even more damage to other people and property. Your neighbor sounds like a dickhead. He could of taken out literally anybody by doing that.
>>29511700
The capabilities aren't worth the added cost and logistical footprint.
>>29512125
Because trucks and APC's can carry way more missiles.
>>29512123
That rack will hold 200pounds of ammo in cans with absolutely no problems.
>>29512143
but bikes are faster, go more places and are less noticeable.
>>29512121
>homebrew made of poorly welded angle iron and rebar
Im sure that has the integrity to carry a significant amount of weight. Abolutely positive.
Also the rack alone probably weighs 60lbs. The rebar alone is a good 30lbs.
>>29512112
I've had ammo delivered to my squad by an MP runner during my conscription, what are you talking about?
>>29512136
Are you retarded or dyslexic?
Logistical battalion -> Supply company -> Infantry battalion territory -> Infantry Battalion -> Platoon -> Squad on the frontline
I'm talking about the literal frontline where combat is occuring and I never said 100%. You use what you can and sending an MB runner is a lot fucking better than waiting for the ATV or sending someone on foot.
>Guns are used to kill people
>100% of guns are used to kill people
>>29512155
if he re did it in TIG welded aluminum. Then he might have something.
>>29512163
>MP runner
MB runner.*
>>29512123
>>29512155
That rack will hold 200pounds of ammo in cans easy and it ways 15 pounds max.
>>29512168
Probably, but he didnt and nobody makes one commercially.
>>29512163
you know that you can't just make shit up, right?
the things you write have to actually be true for them to count. you're like a feminist.
>>29512168
I learned to weld form the page in the instructions from my Harbor freight welder. It's ugly but plenty strong. I've made many more things since then.
>>29512178
>I have never handled rebar: the post
>>29512188
What's untrue about what I said?
>>29511933
>Most gun owners are ok, it's just the freak gun nuts who feel the need to own assault rifles.
It goes both ways dude.
>>29512193
Says the thing I'm holding right now is heavier than I say it is....
Thinks it can't hold 200 pounds as I stand on it...
>>29512207
Whats the diameter of the rebar? Looks like half inch.
>>29511700
>>29511741
>>29511800
>>29511815
>>29511836
Ohhhh all of the bait. Well, the guys right and wrong. motorcycles ARE 33% more dangerous, but its because of other fuckface drivers that don't know what they're doing. Doesn't stop me from ridding my dual sport. to, >>29511741
if you're afraid of motorcycles perhaps you should stay on /k/ all day, it would be best friend.
>>29511895
>>29511850
Niggas don't know what the fuck 2-stroke and 4-stroke means.
>>29511983
its a quad with mutated feet anon..
>>29512301
>if you're afraid of motorcycles
i am sure this is universal to every responsible driver in the world
protip: i am not afraid of my health
i am afraid of my property and your safety
>>29512301
>they might be dangerous, but they're dangerous and everything else you said was correct
what a great rebuttal, anon. you've floored me.
ITT
>People getting ass blasted at others personal choices
>Some guy trying to say bikes make for better supply vehicles
>OP quietly watching what he has wrought
Fun times
>>29511700
The long and short of it is that bikes offer no protection to the rider and it's a dismal weapons platform without a sidecar.
Which is a shame because they've got great fuel efficiency and off road terrain handling. Slap some kevlar and a really good muffler and you've got a good dragoons option. Excellent for fast deployments in adverse terrain.
Hmm....How much gear could you fit in the saddle bags?
>>29512121
Dude..do you not know what tubing is?
That rebar adds so much un needed weight.
Also if you had notched the flat iron and sat the rebar into it you could have gotten a better weld and more finished look.
But really try again and the next one will be better.
What are dispatch riders?
>>29511871
apparently you have never heard of these things called aftermarket mufflers. ever heard a humvee or mrap run? they are loud as shit. bikes can be made to be quiet without sacrificing performance. its just that everyone puts loud ass exhaust systems on their bikes so you can hear how fucking cool they are. but dont comment on shit you clearly have no experience with.
>>29513089
50 years obsolete?
>>29513158
What is radio silence?
>>29513158
Do yourself a favour and Google
EMCON states.
>>29513090
Yes. While they are loud they are still queter and deeper than any dirt bike or dualsport Ive ever heard, including 4 strokes with big fucking mufflers.
Is it possible to make a bike quieter? Possibly. Somee of the long haul touring bikes are reasonably quiet. But those have exhaust systems measured in yards that weigh a lot. I doubt you could rig a dirt bike or dualsport to be anywhere near as quiet without sacrificing the majority of the mobility, fuel economy, and ground clearance that makes them attractive.
>>29513211
Also 50 years obsolete due to hopsets and encryption and enough unrelated radio traffic.
>>29513243
What is EW?
>>29513269
Ineffective against large areas and totally ineffective against hopsets and satcomms.
What about SOF uses?
I've seen Rangers, MARSOC, SF, and AFSOC guys on dirtbike and ATVs.
What do they use them for?
>>29513243
Why do you talk about these things as if you knew something about them?
>>29513334
>Ineffective against large areas
You don't need it to perform on a large area. It's enough if you can cover the focal point of an attack, or if you can spot comms stations using it. If you can spot 2 - 3 stations and take them out, you can break comms between two battlegroups.
>hopsets
You talking about frequency hopping or something there, buddy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but are hopsets not the channels assigned to a certain unit, so that no other unit in the region is using the same channel?
>>29513337
Going places they wont have air support/resupply and for missions where they need to be less imposing to locals.
SOF are pretty much the only ones bikes are a good fit for.
>>29511890
>Gonna stop right there. 45mpg
Means jack shit when the tank is like 1.5 gallons
>>29513334
Forgot to answer to satcomms.
>satcomms
Literally a shining beacon for enemy sigint. Military comms function on the basis of minimal signal power for the distance required. Using satellites where you should and could be using your own comms station is retarded.
>>29513334
The Krasukha has a reported range of 300km, that is more than enough on the fronline.
>>29511829
They are inherently dangerous though, a fuck up with a gun and a fuck up with a can of pepperspray lead to very different outcomes.
>>GUNZ R DANGEROUS
>>29513397
Nope. Can fit a much larger tank than that if needed without ruining the weight / balance too much, it's just not needed for most civilian uses.
>>29513243
if you transmit encrypted traffic the enemy will still question who the fuck is transmitting encrypted traffic in their Terretory
>>29511950
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>>29513545
They'll triangulate it and fire a rocket barrage onto it, or alternatively even a missile if it's sending out enough traffic.
Great for urban warfare.
>>29511800
I know. So you want some horny teenage asshole operating one in a foreign country?
>>29513594
>foreign country
Why not?
>>29513545
Which isn't relevant at the tactical level against sandniggers, and a conventional force would have to be looking for it in the first place instead of worrying about getting shot at. We've been using encryption and frequency hopping since Vietnam.
>>29511959
See this is anouther reason to have a car, all you can get on a bike is a reach around. In a car you can get road head from said tiny asian fuck toy
>>29512441
>Protection
We might as well have everyone in tanks.
>you will never hit the power band while removing kebab
