M27-IAR
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What were the Marines thinking?
Using an assault rifle in an LMG role?
How are you supposed to suppress shit with only 30 rounds?
Am I missing something is this what Marines usually do?
This is now a /k/ from 2010 thread
Did you hear they're going to start putting that Home Depot shelving hardware on guns? Incredible! Boy I sure do love my Troy Alpha rail! I wonder if Magpul is gonna make an AK mag! Imagine how great it'll be
>>29511202
It's not an M249, it's a traditional SAW much like the RPK.
It suppresses using more accurate bursts and is much more portable. These automatic rifles work in conjunction with an LMG; the LMG sets a base of fire while a maneuvering team flanks, within that team is an automatic rifle which functions as a rifle but also can be used to set up a smaller base of fire.
Just the Muhreen Corpse getting around acquisition rules by making up a new role.
>>29511202
They have drums and 30rds is plenty for aimed suppressive fire
plus you can use mags from the rest of your team
>>29512267
This.
IIRC they aren't the replacement to the saw. Just a way to switch from a smaller SAW to a bigger rifle.
I'm sure if they were issued with one or two larger mags it'd be fine.
>>29512281
This.
Plus any excuse to give H&K more money.
I think the idea of a squad-level suppression weapon that isn't 25 pounds is a good idea, but it was dumb to use a dolled-up 416 instead of something that was actually purpose-built for the role. The HAMR and Colt IAR would've been much better
HK 416 or LWRC ICA5 should be the next replacements for our M16/A4's
I dont understand why we are not doing so. Britannia across the sea updated their SA80s using HK help we should do the same
>>29512285
>m249 cannot use stanag mags
>>29512989
It might as well not be able to.
>>29512989
If you've ever seen it in real life, I'm not sure you'd be able to say that. They jam constantly.
>>29512989
The M249 can de facto not use STANAGS by the way I didnt imply they couldnt.
>>29511202
>What were the Marines thinking?
They weren't.
>Using an assault rifle in an LMG role?
Short-sighted at best.
>How are you supposed to suppress shit with only 30 rounds?
Not as well. Magpul drum mags would help.
>Am I missing something is this what Marines usually do?
It's what they don't do. I answered in the first question.
>>29512979
>piston memeguns
How about no.
>>29512133
You made a somewhat oldfag laugh. Maybe Willis will die again if we keep it up.
>>29513204
But proper pistons put into production would be a proper improvement over picky popping penguins
Suppression generally should be via accuracy as opposed to volume of fire. Experienced combatants generally aren't frightened by a wall of lead if it isn't landing close, really it's just a noisy nuisance. If you have dickhead across the way slumping shots 1-4 times within inches that changes the whole dynamic, more prone to duck and cover or get away when they're just 1 rpund away from having their face peeled. Better for area denial and inducing brick shitting if you ask me.
>>29513234
How does this differ so significantly from an m4? In a real-world sense, don't try to play off the gas piston design or the 2" of barrel length.
>>29512133
Hey /k/! I got $100 for a quick job I did. I'm gonna pick up a Mosin. What model should I get?
>>29512979
No. Heavy without significant advantages unless you're using a suppressor.
>>29513444
It's heavier.
And it supposedly has a higher sustained rate of fire. M4/M16 can fire 12-15 rounds a minute indefinitely. Depending on the source the M27 is either about the same (15rpm) or quite a bit better (36rpm).
Of course the M249 can sustain 85rpm.
>>29512281
>>29512476
>still more 2010 opinions
They already transitioned their infantry to M4s, way to stay up to date.
Plus, have you ever held an IAR? That heat sink is big, it's not an M4.
>>29513066
Lol
>sour grapes: the post
>>29512281
We've been over this several times, retard.
They have not bought and are not buying enough M27s to use them as a replacement service rifle
>>29514428
That's only because they got caught trying to backdoor 416s through the IAR project. Then they went "jk we'll just take m4z plz"
>>29512267
Where can I find a book or which manual has info on tactics such as these?
>>29512267
>It's not an M249
No shit.
>it's a traditional SAW much like the RPK.
Minus the heavy barrel, magazine capacity and sustained fire capability.
It's basically a different M16.
I have a huge hard-on for the M249
You guys do understand that SAW's are still able to be fielded per the company commanders discretion right?
>>29513344
This. There was a study done by the British army that pretty much confirmed that accurate sustained fire made more sense than high volume inaccurate fire. I think they're replacing their minimis with DMR's.
>>29514550
It has all of those things though.
>>29512281
>A new role
A role that has existed since the cold war.
>>29514550
Magazine capacity is being looked into and I was mostly comparing it to the role, neither are for sustained fire however the RPK CAN if needed.
>>29511202
>What were the Marines thinking?
>>29513444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvccUuJ0i-4
>>29514598
Yes. But not everyone is convinced that the IAR should the standard with the SAW a situational alternative rather than the other way around.
>>29514509
What evidence is there to support your claim?
>>29514799
none. its a ebin maymay started on /k/ years ago.
>>29514789
Its a non issue since the two are interchangeable. My last deployment everyone in my platoon had SAW's that wasn't mounted, the mounted guys and their dismounts had SAW's. It wasn't anything to switch between the two. As pointed out previously in the thread there is beginning to be a paradigm shift in how people look at suppression, the brits are revisiting the concept as well. I think the IAR has its issues, mainly the lol30rdmag, but that can be easily fixed. Unofficially a lot of dudes that I know that are still in rock surefire mags when they can get away with it.
>>29514899
>>29514789
Mounted and their dismounts hard IARs sorry.
Okay faggots, we're arguing about proper weapons for a SAW role, so - what is the ideal weapon for that role and what would it be like?
What do you think about RPD vs RPK vs Ultimax vs IAR vs Minimi, etc?
>>29512267
This. Marine buddy at work says they are amazingly accurate
>>29514957
They are.
suppression by accuracy > volume.
FA from a 30 rnd box mag is retarded if you are expecting a sustained fire weapon.
well paced and aimed semi auto fire does a better job at suppression.
FA is for ambush/counter ambush, extremely closer quarters, and long range.
>>29514938
/k/, what is best for SAW: a shrunken machine gun, or a fat rifle?
>>29514538
they are all over youtube.
>>29515045
FAMAS
Why not a 60mm mortar instead
>>29511202
the IAR project was a neat idea
but when they dropped the open/closed bolt feature for a god damn M416 they fucked themselves in the ass to please their HK overlords
>>29515650
Yeah, having a mechanically simpler weapon is a real drag, right?
