Not everyone is pro guns or anti guns. There are 50 shades of gray.
>>29505838
That's not pro-gun though. That's just common sense
Shut up bernie-bot...
>>29505838
You realize Sanders is anti gun though, right?
>>29505838
>Neutrals
Go back to sitting on the fence, and stay there until you can find a position to stand for.
>>29505854
you act like finding someone with common sense in a position of power is no small thing
>>29505956
he is more anti-gun than /k/, but no one else in a democratic primary (where republicans usually can't vote) would have the guts to answer that question correctly
>>29505838
Never trust a kike or politician (Bernia is both). They say shit like that to pander now then fuck our rights in the ass later.
>>29505956
He has to be anti common sense to impress the retarded democrats. He's not going to win the primary anyway because Shillary and democrats rigged it. Sanders supporters should vote for Trump. This is an anti-establishment election.
>>29505838
There is no room for those who do not share my opinion.
Pro-fun or GFY.
>>29505838
There's no such thing as being neutral on guns. That said, it is reassuring to hear a Democrat give this answer to this liberal bullshit claim that suing gun manufacturers for "gun deaths" is the morally equivalent to suing car manufacturers for things like faulty brakes that killed passengers.
>>29505838
Kill yourself commie
>>29505838
If they aint 2A, then they are 50 shades of shit.
>>29505838
"We have got to get rid of every gun designed to kill" - Hernie Panders. Yeah nah fuck off ya cunt.
>>29505956
isn't from vermont, or some place like that that has some of the best gun laws in the country?
>>29509057
yeah, he also isn't a true democrat, but he needed to go with a major party to have a chance.
he also is very neutral on guns. after sandy hook he voted for the ban (a ban he voted against before), but said guns are not the issue, mental health is, but until we can sort mental health guns need more regulations.
he never once tried to limit or take guns from Vermont, because the people there like their guns, and he respects that.
of all the people in the running he is without a doubt the most trustworthy.
trump already wants the dismantle 1a to stop people criticizing him, and he sure seems the kind of guy to try to disarm everyone but himself. you watch, first he'll take rights from muslims and immigrants.
>mfw people think Bernie is pulling a 40 year long con to grab guns
that said there are still people out there that think Obama is a Muslim, is going to enact sharia law and take Americans guns in his last few days, so...
>>29505995
Reminder that in Mormonism, the angels who chose no side in the war in heaven were turned to niggers.
>>29505838
No good hearted person who knows the truth about gun laws would ever be anti gun.
>>29509696
>there are still people out there that think Obama is a Muslim, is going to enact sharia law and take Americans guns in his last few days, so...
Think? No, I hope he tries. I really wish a nigga would.
>>29505838
It's true though, lots of progun people don't believe in the unlimited right to bear arms. They cry about the private, unregulated ownership of explosives and CBRN weapons with
>muh man portable
>muh muzzle sweep analogy
>>29509696
>>29509057
Bernie openly said he wants to ban assault weapons, and voted for it before.
>>29505838
ITT: Bernie Shills pretend he is pro-gun
>Votes and STRONGLY supports an assault weapons ban
>Supports universal background checks and believes in the "Gun show loophole"
>Somehow remotely pro-gun
"We have got to see that weapons designed by the military to kill people are not in the hands of civilians." - Bernie Sanders
INTO THE TRASH IT GOES
>>29510071
This. It's on his website ffs
Kekeke hai guise I am le friendly neoghborphd liberal gun owner have u met my wife's son look at my huntain rifle also shotgun to pump and scare intruders haha how do I upvote u OP!1XD
>>29509847
Kek that image
>>29510071
effectively this is already true so not much of a goal
best part is him being elected would increase people buying actual weapons of war
>>29506186
I noticed in the Democratic debate in january where clinton tried to slam him on his stance on guns and voting records that he simply chose not to refute her on her lies aboyt the liability law.
he knows that he would loose voters if he actively talked about not being completely anti gun so he chose simply not to say anything and take the hits instead of taking even more hits where it matters if he opened his mouth.
>>29506297
It is highly disingenuous to claim Hillary rigged the system, the system was rigged long before she ever ran for office.
>>29511181
but she is cheating like mad. voter fraud and suppression everywhere
>>29505838
(Example, not my income) fuck you bernbot, bernie sucks ass and all Democratic socialists should kill themselves.
>>29505838
>>29513038
I pay less this way including the saved money from health insurance and not needing college funds and such, im not mad. BasedBern
>>29513981
>tfw bern man will prevent me from buying my son his first hunting rifle.
what a fag.
also
lel at the "gunshow loophole"
>>29514268
I don't even understand this. What is the gunshow loophole? Someone competent please explain this to me so I can retort people who spew when arguing for taking my guns
>>29506186
> least anti-gun
MUST BE TOTALLY NEUTRAL OR "GRAY"
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm
> Our job is to bring people together around strong, commonsense gun legislation.
> I voted for an instant background check, which I want to see strengthened and expanded. I voted to ban certain types of assault weapons, which are designed only to kill people. I voted to end the so-called gun show loophole.
> Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership.
T. Every fucking power hungry democrat/BLM/anti-white politician ever/Bernie Sanders. Fuck off shill.
>>29514417
It's how idiots refer to private sales. They think all gun show vendors are automatically exempt from conducting a background check regardless of if they have an FFL or not. As long as both parties are residents of the same state it's legal, barring the buyer is not a felon and the firearm in question is not regulated under the NFA.
>>29514417
Its buzzword for private sales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTvD0DFYh9s
He also openly says he wants to ban any weapon not for hunting.
Yeah because I want my candidates to think the 2nd Amendment is about hunting, right?
>>29514497
How do you go about a private sale? And how does the seller know if the buyer is a felon?
Let's say I wanna sell a weapon that I don't want anymore, or maybe I need the money. How would I go about getting rid of it and recuperating some of my losses, if they restrict private gun sales? That's fucking bullshit
>>29514417
Here in AZ you don't need to get a background check to sell a gun to anyone privately (person-to-person) if you're not a licensed dealer. At the "gun shows" you can be like 18 years old, walk up to dozens of different stalls, and pay cash for a handgun with no registration or background check necessary. It's basically some 100% retarded shit the NRA pushes for.
>>29514541
I don't think anyone wants to ban private sales, they just want private sales to be regulated like any other sale. You should at least have to submit some owner transfership paperwork through a local gun shop.
>>29514551
Federally, unless you're buying it from a private seller (which these days is very unlikely) you can't just buy a gun if you're 18.
Stop spreading this myth that gunshows are havens of illegal gun sales.
>>29514605
You can absolutely buy a handgun age 18-20 from a private seller. That's exactly what I said. It really depends on the state for the specifics, but in both states I've lived in recently there were gun shows that had a bunch of unlicensed sellers at various booths, and they were legally selling handguns to anyone over 18 because that's how the law works.
It's only a federal issue if you are unlicensed and sell a gun to a minor.
>>29514578
For that to work, there must be a federal gun registry.
>>29514649
But the stalls are FFL holders and do Background Checks.
>>29506559
>bernies face when my berthier, Schmidt rubin, and two nuggets get destroyed, but my ar and ak come out untouched
>>29514690
Once again since you didn't read the first time, I have lived in two states where that is not true of the sellers. I'd estimate like a quarter of the stalls were private sellers. I'm sure there are more states like this.
>>29514677
I don't really see how that's a problem. I already have a CC permit and the government knows I own a handgun. The only people it's a problem for are nutty "they gon take muh guns" types.
>>29515264
>The only people it's a problem for are nutty "they gon take muh guns" types.
But they are trying to take your guns.
>>29515313
LMAO there is pretty much nobody who advocates to disarm Americans. Let's worry about real problems here.
>>29515341
Nevermind, you're already too deep. I'm out.
>>29515384
"I'm a nutty conspiracist and am gonna go read my conspiracy websites where I can reinforce my delusions"
>>29515449
"I'm going to ignore all those advocating for and attempting to disarm the public because its easier to pretend that everythings fine"
I will take the following concrete steps to reduce gun violence: strengthen and better enforce the instant background check system; close the gun-show loophole; make 'straw man' purchases a federal crime; ban semi-automatic assault weapons which are designed strictly for killing human beings; and work to fix our broken mental health system.“I think the vast majority of the American people, as the president indicated, including gun owners -- I know that's true here in Vermont -- want sensible gun control legislation,” he added.
-bernie sanders december 30,2015
Bernieshills cant into google.litterally first result.
>>29510131
>he just wants to ban more guns
>it'll make my shit more valuable!
Literally a gun grabber.
>>29515341
Not that anon but as a nyfag I have one thing to say.
What the fuck are you talking about.
Also, booths at gun shows are for ffls only so yes they would have to do a background check. Buying a pistol outside a gun show to a private seller is different. I don't care what you say. It's a private sale that isn't sponsored through a gun show.
>>29515567
In NY they are, maybe... Gun show sales are not restricted to FFL's only in tons of states. I'm not talking about buying outside the show, I'm talking about private sellers in the gun shows selling at stalls.
>>29515617
Yeah man these bans in big trend setting states are surely nothing. Fucking must just be a conspiracy.
>>29515647
>NY fucker thinks his state is trend setting and that the rest of the country gives a fuck what NY thinks
If making gun shows require licenses and background checks is trend setting, I would be happy if anyone gave a shit about NY except for people from NY. Unfortunately it's not and gun shows here in the South are a lot less regulated.
>>29509696
I'll be voting for Bernie. Best of the bunch imho
>>29515728
I seriously hope that NYs "trend" takes your state next, only your state, then reverses itself in NY so you can taste how fucked your statements are.
>>29515617
There is no legal private sale between citizens unless they conduct the sale at a gun shop where the buyer has to be given a NICS check for a fee
This being said the rate of noncompliance in NY is staggering. Western NYer here. Pretty much everywhere outside the city and long island is pretty much progun.
Aside from the laws I'd say we have a similar gun culture to pennsylvania. Except philly/Pittsburg does not hold as much sway over the state as NYC holds in Albany
>>29515728
Not who replied to you earlier, but yeah man, surely California, Maryland, conneticut, New York and Colorado aren't major states. Are you fucking kidding me?
i think guns should be roughly treated like cars. on your own property, your own land, anything you want. in public areas, you need to follow some rules. and you need a license. id say whoever determines these rules need to be independent of the government and have no stakes in anything anti or pro gun.
I also dont get why people dont understand why business cant determine if you are allowed to carry guns on their property or not. arguing you can is actually arguing you should have less rights. If im having some sort of house party and we are all drunk and someone pulls out a gun and starts waving it, im going to ask him to leave, or atleast put his gun in his car, or something. if a business cant do that, then, you cant do that. its an argument agaisnt your own rights, and for some reason you guys argue "those who give up freedom for personal safety deserve neither" yet give up freedoms for personal safety. you are giving up your personal rights of your personal property, so you can be safer ( have a gun ).
AND the muh constitution/bill o rites cry. its goofy. it makes no sense. if it being in the constitution all that matters, well, why dont we argue that women cant vote? that was in the constitution...until it got amended. so everytime this argument is used, your basically saying "muh constitution GARUNTEES my gun rights...as long as its not amended". which is literally what anti-gunners are trying to do.
so does this make me pro or anti
>>29514709
Don't be silly! Those old wooden bolt rifles were never designed to kill anything more than deer! They're harmless!
>>29515341
>>29515745
Cuck.
>>29518225
>i think guns should be roughly treated like cars. on your own property, your own land, anything you want. in public areas, you need to follow some rules. and you need a license.
This comparison is always flawed. Guns and cars share nothing in common, why should they be regulated the same?
> id say whoever determines these rules need to be independent of the government and have no stakes in anything anti or pro gun.
How could someone who is making laws be independent of the government?
>I also dont get why people dont understand why business cant determine if you are allowed to carry guns on their property or not. arguing you can is actually arguing you should have less rights. If im having some sort of house party and we are all drunk and someone pulls out a gun and starts waving it, im going to ask him to leave, or atleast put his gun in his car, or something. if a business cant do that, then, you cant do that.
I'm going to assume you meant "why businesses can determine if you are allowed to carry guns". Anyway, the difference is that if someone is at a house party drunk and starts waving a gun around, then not only is he in possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol (which is illegal) and brandishing (which is illegal). Of course a business should be able to prevent someone from doing that, as it presents a very real danger to those around. This is a completely different scenario that someone who is simply carrying a gun with them while going about their day, because they are neither drunk nor waving their gun around.
>AND the muh constitution/bill o rites cry. its goofy. it makes no sense. if it being in the constitution all that matters, well, why dont we argue that women cant vote? that was in the constitution...until it got amended.
Actually, I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
>>29518500
>so everytime this argument is used, your basically saying "muh constitution GARUNTEES my gun rights...as long as its not amended". which is literally what anti-gunners are trying to do.
Thats partially what they're trying to, but the majority of times they shoehorn these laws into place by saying "well, the founding fathers only meant muskets when they made that, so the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to these guns" and "that only counts when you're under rule by an tyrannical government, so its ok for now". In the end, the goal is a blanket ban on firearms and nullifying the 2nd amendment, but they're not there yet.
>so does this make me pro or anti
I'd say anti. I don't think you really understand your own arguments and if you do, you convey them poorly.
>>29505838
Nice try, redditor.
