Milsurp thread.
Just got this one today.
Nice! Can I get a better look at the rear sight?
>>29482142
Nice. I'm looking at a Russian 1895 at the moment. Might be walking away with it by nights end.
>>29482142
Looks pretty good. How much did it cost?
>>29482158
Best I could do. Dealing with phone camera.
>>29482173
$240. 1917, fucking gorgeous bore. Made off like a bandit.
>>29482209
You lucky sunuvabitch
>>29482165
Neat! How much?
>>29482209
You swine, can i be your first mate? We can be buccaneers on the high sea.
>>29482250
Sounds good
>>29482233
Not looking to spend more than $2300.
>>29482267
You sure it's worth that much? I'm not educated in 1895s, but I saw some at a gun show for around $850 this morning.
>>29482289
They go upwards of $4000.
Is FN-49 a gud gun?
>>29482305
Yes, they're nice. The Egyptian models are the most common.
>>29482298
Holy Jaysus. Didn't know that.
>>29482320
That's for Russian ones. U.S. military ones go about 2x. Of course those are much much much rarer.
>>29482209
Holy fuck, nice was it a winchester or an eddystone?
>>29482356
Gewehr 98.
Muh defaced relic
>>29482585
No tears now, only dreams
>>29482600
Sshhhhhh
Sleep, child. You have fulfilled your purpose.
Anyone know of a telltale way to identify original and reproduction Arisaka stripper clips apart? It's hard because as far as I can tell not all original clips have markings on them
I've got ten of them (all are normal brass while one is a late war steel) and so far I only know for sure that five are original (four brass and the one steel have the typical small Arsenal mark). I don't believe any of the others are repros because I've picked them all up as original from reputable militaria sites over the years (mainly IMA) but I want to be sure because I'm wanting to sell them and there's a big difference in price between original ones and reproductions.
I got these
>>29482639
yummy
>>29482816
Whatchu got der good buddy?
>>29482834
Bullets
>>29482830
Yummy?
>>29482841
He wands 2 fugg it wid his benis :DDDD
>>29482840
Sexy boolits?
>>29482852
Yes
300
Very
Sexy
Bullets
>>29482816
Cool.
Perfect timing. I just got an sks today. Not in perfect shape, but it was only $150. Bought it off an older gentleman who just wanted to get rid of it. Anyway, after doing some reading on them, I have a few questions.
>what is a popped primer and what can I do to prevent it?
>grease or oil for lube?
I got my first rifle yester day and it fits here
>>29482890
>sks
great price tho
>>29482917
Welcome to the memechine.
>>29482917
Nice. Price?
>>29482923
>implying SKS's aren't milsurp
>>29482968
I didnt say they werent. Its just a shitty gun tbqh
>>29482890
now put tapco on it :^)
>>29482983
what the fuck is this post
>>29482875
Yes my Curpo-Nickle brother
>>29482961
>>29482965
thanks I. over paid because it was from Kentucky Gun Company but It in perfect condition, I paid $299 for the rifle and $270 for 500 rounds
>>29482983
>7.62x39
>goes bang
>will outlast the cockroach
>shit gun
To the anon I stole this from on armslist, sorry not really sorry
>>29482999
>>29483050
tbchwy familia it was boring as shit.
>>29482873
8mm?
>>29483083
It takes time to appreciate them. I hated shooting mine for the first 8 years. Now it makes every range trip.
>>29483078
How much?
>>29482917
>>29482961
got my first recently as well
Its a 1942 finnish m39, just need to get a range membership because there is jack shit for public ranges near me
>>29482142
Nice Gewehr 98, what maker? I've go a 1916 without the finger grooves or takedown hole so color me jelly lol.
>>29483090
Nope, 30-06
>tfw can't find a 1903 or 1917 anywhere in my area
I need a 30-06 to hunt with this year but fuck buying some plastic rifle I don't like. I'd rather just pick up something I've already got on my short list.
>>29482890
Pics?
>>29483117
$340 and a Hungarian ppk clone
>>29483133
Waffenfabrik. Also says Oberndorf on it.
Hey man, you've got a fairly rare bird yourself.
>>29483148
A couple of months ago I sold my bubba'd 1903 for $75
>>29483148
check arms list or just buy one on GunsInternational or Gun Broker
Besides the mosin nagant m44, is there any bolt action carbine with a built in bayonet used in the world wars?
>>29483120
mine is a Russian 91/30 made in Izhevesk in 1928 pretty cool history, I need to find some public ranges around here to shoot at
>>29483209
Many
>>29483201
That's Waffenfabrik Mauser in the city of Oberndorf. Got you a Mauser-brand Mauser.
>>29483202
>buying bubbad milsurp
For that price I might've made an exception as long as it wasn't tapped for a scope.
>>29483206
I might have to if I don't find anything soon.
>>29483216
Mas 36 and carcano off the top of my head
>>29483209
Arisaka T44, Carcano M91 and M38 cavalry carbines.
>>29483201
Oberndorf = Mauserwerke if i recall correctly. What drew you to a Gew. 98?
>>29483244
Only thing really wrong with it was the cracked aftermarket stock with missing military stock hardware and an aftermarket Lyman peep site.
>>29483222
I think he means in the fold out "always on" configuration. There weren't many rifles or carbines for that matter that had that feature. Most sensible people went with a detachable blade bayonet but I guess too many russian conscripts used their bayonets as tent stakes and the Commissars got fed up and had the manufacturers bolt the damn things on
I picked this stuff up at a show yesterday. 1917 Remington contract 7.62x54r. Headstamps are all REMINGTON - 17 -
>>29483289
Wow thats fucking cool, you gunna get a Remington M91 to go along with it?
>>29483243
Awesome. Not too familiar with WW1 manufacturers, sorry.
>>29483266
I'm a bit of a Deutschaboo, and I've wanted a Mauser for a long time. Originally planned on Kar98, but when I saw the price on this one I couldn't resist.
>>29483222
>>29483258
Anything american made? If not, that's fine.
>>29483285
That's exactly what I meant.
So, which one would you recommend?
>>29483300
Best part is I already have one
>>29483277
So basically just a barrelled reciever for $75? Still probably wouldn't cost $700 to restore so not bad if you don't mind restoring it.
>>29483311
The Ram-Rod M1903s in 30-03, thats about it.
>>29483315
HEYOOO, I need to get a new stock for my M1903 so I can get a pic with so of my 1918 30-06 >>29482816
>>29483325
Also a maching bolt
>>29483330
I need to get a new camera lens, like a dumb fuck I dropped my camera and the mounts on the lens snapped. After that I plan on getting a photo of the ammo and rifle together.
>>29483342
Nice. Why didn't you restore it yourself and sell it for a normal price?
>>29483361
To be perfectly honest? I couldn't be arsed currently
>>29483403
The poorfag in me thanks you.
Picked up this beauty today fo too fiddy
>>29483418
I always sell my guns for WAY cheaper than the actual worth for two reasons. The first is because I don't have the patience to sell collectibles in the era of pawn stars and storage wars. The other is that I remember being a dirt poor 19 year old scouring the area for any deals on milsurp which was the only thing I could afford.
>>29483439
Not too bad. Mitchells?
>>29483467
It's like you're me in 10 years
>>29483176
My camera is shit, but I'll try to get one.
>>29483537
Can you get the left side of the receiver? Up close?
>>29482585
I love the fond that they used for "bccd". Looks like something you'd see on the menu of a posh restaurant.
>>29483535
Stay the course, friend. There are still deals to be found out there
>>29483565
That's the Germans for you
>>29483553
Not really man. My cam is so shit It won't pic up what's on the side. I'll just type it:
C11(xxxxx) sks 7.62x39 made in china by Norinco csi oni CA
>>29483653
Commercial then. How much did you pay?
>>29483676
$150.
>>29483714
Well done
>>29483483
Nah a yugo m24/47 at the funshow
>>29484972
Yes. But who is the importer? It should be electro penciled on the barrel or the receiver
>>29482728
Romanian or other Eastern European country
>>29483146
I'm sorry to hear that.
>>29486988
>Im sorry to hear that
Why
>>29487012
8mm master race
>>29487080
>He doesnt own both
Dude fucking get good
Muh mosins. I have a lead on a 1943 M44 as well, hope that to be mine soon.
>>29487086
I do own both, I've got half a box of 30.06 somewhere.
But 8mm guns are so much cooler. Instead of buying 30.06, I spend that money on more 8mm. Not just FMJ 8mm either. But tracer and incendiary too.
>>29487259
>He doesnt own 1000 of each
dude
git
gud
>Be in England
>Be looking for an M39 for years and years
>See one for sale for the first time in the 10 years I've been guns
>£815
I want it but I'm not going to let myself spend that much on a nugget, even if it is like new. Such is life in a shithole.
Nice rifle friend
Got a 1944 (I believe) Springfield Garand on Saturday for $750. LGS owner knocked $50 off the price and threw in 10 clips fo free. And knocked a few bucks off of 100 pieces of the 30-06 brass I bought. Bretty nice.
>>29488908
Wow thats a really great deal. Is it a CMP gun that someone was getting rid of?
Should I get a arisaka type 99 or 38 or 30?
Thanks.
>>29482585
Muh mill marks.
Whelp, I fucked up.
I was cleaning cosmoline off of my brand new enfield No4 MK2. And I thought it would be easier to use a small butane torch to melt the cosmoline to where it just drips out of the receiver/barrel. It worked really well. And I got all the cosmo off, but towards the end, I got the torch a little too close to the stock.
>>29490664
BUBBA NO
Styer M95
Nugget Revolver
Figure here is a good thread to ask this. What things should I look out for when buying milsurp? Pitted bore, cracked stock, loose mag, what else? I've found a k31 for sale at a local fun store, but it's $50 cheaper than other k31s there. I've looked it over, only thing it's missing compared to the others is a sling. The stock is also darker than the others, but it's supposedly a beech stock by the serial number. Any idea why they have it on sale?
Can someone tell me how much a Yugo M48 Mauser should be bought for?
Stainless patina, parts are not matching, and the dude says it comes with a leather pouch and "some" rounds. No picture of the bore. Is $300 a fair price to buy?
>>29490595
Early war type 99 with intact mum and matching numbers is the best arisaka.
>>29482142
>>29482209
VERY NICE!
I got a pair that cost me $1000 total.
Is yours matching?
>>29490702
It's actually not too bad. The burn area is only about an inch long on the stock along side the receiver.
I think I can pass it off as a cosmoline stain or something.
If only the unissued enfield stocks weren't so blonde.
>>29491100
Yeah, mine is all matching. Good deal on yours too. What are the production years?
>>29488662
Just picked one up today from an LGS here in town for $325. It's a Tikka, too, so that's neat.
>>29482983
SKS is pretty fun to shoot, can't beat the caliber/price.
>>29493553
Got a bayonet for my new Yugo capture K98k.
>>29493950
Not sure how to clean the stuff on the inside without messing with the leather. lots of cosmoline still.
>>29490937
300 is a good price considering shit he's throwing in, they're good Mausers. If the bore is good and it's a decent amount of ammo then consider taking him him up on the offer.
>>29493407
Nice acquisition. Started out as Tikka M91 cut down to M39 length in the 60s.
>>29482890
>what is a popped primer and what can I do to prevent it?
Google is your friend. Not an issue I can help you with.
>grease or oil for lube?
I use oil. Use it in small quantities like on other guns, but never oil the bolt face, because oil actually attracts grit and other crap which will make your gun slam fire.
Clean the firing pin housing often, and dry it out after you do so. A spray can with a straw attachment will work fine
>>29488662
>A $1600 Nuggat
I feel bad for you bongs
I bought this Arisaka back in December at a gun show. I think I overpaid but whatever. $160
Very beat up, but I think its cool.
Japanese Type 99 "Last Ditch" Nagoya built Arisaka with intact. The rifle is Nagoya 10th series I believe.
>>29494149
Intact chrysanthemum*
>>29494149
Oh look it's this meme again
>>29494358
My favorite meme rifle
Anyone have experience with Greek Mannlichers? Been eyeballing one and really like the looks/handling.
>>29494619
The 1903 version? They seem hard to find.
>>29494003
I think he's going to be one of those guys that ignores any and all questions. I asked how much ammo he'll toss in, and he's bumped his own thread.
Question: What's a good place online to find a k98 in good shape? My LGS is weird about milsurp the owner thinks it's a "liability risk" and won't buy or sell it.
Most recent is the M1871 Mauser. Anyone got a source for ammunition?
>>29494698
Gun shows. Otherwise just scour the internet until you find one.
>>29494630
Yes the 1903 version. And they do seem to be uncommon.
>>29494358
Why is it a meme?
>>29494924
everything is a meme these days.
>>29490708
what's a reasonable price on that hand nugget? been wanting one
>>29494995
These days? WW2 refurb go for $350.
>>29495030
fuck man i know its a pipe dream to expect $100 guns but that sure is a lot, dare i ask how much an imperial one goes for?
>>29495061
Dunno for sure but I'd imagine $450+. I got my pre-WW1 for $85 several years ago.
>tfw I take my Berthier Mousqueton out again
>load up my clip of surplus late 40s ammo
>chamber the first round
>click
>wait 20 seconds
>chamber the second round
>click
>wait 20 seconds
>chamber the third round
>click
>wait 20 seconds
>chamber the 4th round
>click
>wait 20 seconds
>chamber the 5th round
>click
This fucking sucks.
I don't know if that is better or worse than having go through the scary shit of hand fires like last time I shot it.
https://youtu.be/oeziKsiaKME
>>29495990
Just reload. Why would you buy a gun in 8mm lebel if you don't reload?
>>29496269
One of these days, I will. I enjoy collecting guns. I don't care if I shoot them or not, lol.
'42 Inland/GM
>>29496294
Well, PPU is the only place you'll find brass right now. Norma used to make it, dunno if they still do.
Bullets are the real sticking point. Have you slugged your bore? .327 bullets are not easy to find.
These guys might be able to help you, they do a fair amount of custom casting, but ordering from them blows.
http://www.montanabulletworks.com/8mm_or_32_40_Rifle.html
If nothing else, .324 might be as close as you can get. Pressures run about the same as .303 brit. The berthiers are a bit stronger than the lebels.
>>29496455
I have about 25 bullets right now. I'll just pull them from the cases that wouldn't fire.
I've read that 8mm Mauser bullets can work in some guns. IIRC that's what PPU uses in their loadings.
>>29496575
They'll work in that they go down the barrel, however, many the rifles have bore up to .329 in diameter. 6 thousandths is a great deal in bore diameter.
slug dat bitch.
>>29493407
That's a score if Bubba hasn't had his way with it
>>29496623
Bubba hath not laid his filthy hands upon my 1942 Tikka. It has a Sako front sight, though, so maybe it's a frankenrifle. The magazine, bolt, and receiver match at any rate.
>>29493968
nevermind the frog broke in half, I cleaned the scabbard.
>>29496294
Where do you get clips? Everything online is expensive as fuck.
>>29496702
>maybe it's a frankenrifle.
It was built at SAKO; Tikkakoski Oy only made barrels, never assembled rifles. All "Tikka" rifles were actually built elsewhere.
>>29496575
8mm Mauser bullets will work safely but you won't get anything even close to accuracy. However Buffalo Arms makes a .327 bullet just for the Lebel/Berthier rifles. They also make .300 bullets for Carcanos and so on.
Battlescars
>>29496702
10/10 rifle m8
>>29496702
They are post-WW2 builds using M91 barrels.
>>29491589
1905 Spandau
1917 Mauser Oberndorf
>>29494699
I got a bunch on hand for mine :-)
reloads. reloads. reloads.
you can still get some surp on Gunbroker from time to time for like $8/rnd
>>29494649
people on classified ads are the fucking worst. always thinking their shit is worth more than it is and wonder why they don't sell. Saw a guy on calguns trying to sell a Used Glock 19, nothing else, for 700, literally more than it's worth new
>>29497760
>>29497079
Huh. Learn something every day. Thanks, guys.
>>29497760
So, if they're using Finnish-made M91 barrels, is it safe to shoot standard 7.62x54R in them? I know the Finns stamped a lot of M39's with the "D" which meant they had .311 barrels as opposed to .308, but is the cut down M91 barrel .311 too? There is no "D" stamp on the rifle, so I'm a bit unsure.
Also, the barrel looks kinda purple when you hold it in the light. Kinda weird, the previous VKT M39's I've owned were all black.
>>29490301
I'm not really sure, I'll ask him next time I'm in the shop. It came in on Tuesday last week, co-worker told me about it and I bought it on Saturday.
>>29499676
>they had .311 barrels as opposed to .308, but is the cut down M91 barrel .311 too?
The "D" mark only means that the throat of the barrel was lengthened so that the longer 200gr .310" projectile of the D166 cartridge could fit into it without making contact with the lands, and causing excessive chamber pressure when fired. The barrels are still nominally .3095" (in the case of M91s, M27s, M28s) or .3085" (M28-30). Thing is, there was a lot of variance in actual manufacturing of barrels (for instance, the 1920s-made Tikka M91 barrels had groove diameters ranging from .3087" to .3106"), so the only reliable way to tell the bore diameter is to slug it.
Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.
>>29499804
So I'm A-OK, most likely, to start wantonly burning through my piles of vatnik surplus?
>>29494995
I paid $125 for it at a gun show somewhat recently. I would not spend more that $200 on one. Just my opinion.
>>29493407
>>29496702
>>29497760
>>29499676
>>29499804
>>29496702
Man, I need to get a Finn nugget. Any particular advice on getting one? All I really care about is having a hex receiver and a nice looking stock. Any difference between Sako/VKT?
More importantly, anywhere with a better deal than classic firearms?
>>29500827
Look out for funny stamps. VKT and SAKO produced comparable rifles, although SAKO is more expensive typically because of the brand name. Find em at gun shows if you don't want to deal with Classic.
>>29499767
pics?
Would it be worth the roll the dice and get another finn m39 off of classic? I bought a sako from their very first batch but am not really liking the bore and metal condition. This, time, I'd just get a hand select VKT.
>>29504140
>hand select
>classic
Good luck.
>>29504188
My hand select sako has a really nice stock on it so I assume its worth it.
pic related
Muh M39
>>29482356
...
Took the swedish m94 out today for some family pictures
Goddamn if that rifle isnt just perfect
You can only choose 1
>>29504815
Is that really a non-refurb tokarev? Or did you remove the plum yourself?
I've still got to find a bayonet for this tokarev.
>>29504884
Its refurbed but they never did the bolt.
Or the guy who owned it before me had it removed
>>29504970
Either way, you've got a nice svt! (And obviously the fal and garand too!)
I wish getting a "big scary salt rifle" would be easier than impossible here in canuc/k/istan.
>>29504748
>>29504957
good luck they are extremely expesnive
>>29482639
WOAH BUDDY WATCH WHERE YOU'RE POINTING THAT THING JESUS
>>29490779
Pls respond
>>29490779
>>29507534
Honestly if everything that you said is correct, about the rifle being in "excellent" (for what it is) condition, and is only missing a sling, I would go for it.
If you are unsure about whether or not you should buy it solely because of the price, (personally me) I would reevaluate my priorities in desire of next-on-my-list guns to get, and maybe even priorities in whether or not I even should buy the gun at this exact moment if I could buy it later anyways.
Just my opinion.
>>29507768
The price of milsurp has been steadily rising. Better to buy now than later.
>>29507028
Thanks, me not having too much of an abundance of shekels and the fact that the average price of these nice bayonets really makes me unsure on whether or not it's worth my shekels.
>>29507534
Slings are easy to replace.
The varnish/shellac/oil finish or whatever the mountain cowards put on their wood just has dirt/detritus/old motor oil/assorted armory filth worked into it if it is darker. Don't worry about it.
The most important thing is metal condition. If the bore is good, and the action isn't corroding, you are pretty solid.
>>29507794
If you are so inclined, then go all for the deal, I know that I would if the rifle was relevant to my immediate interests and desires.
bumpin with Hakim
I put a pen across the action earlier and cycled the bolt. It crushed the pen pretty good. There's a reason I always reload by removing the mag
>>29509179
I'm sorry I have little knowledge of this rifle, firstly, the hakim and the original swedish variant have no charging handle, why is that? I try searching online maybe I have bad english or can't search correct thing. Secondly, why does it matter if the magazine is in or not?
Very nice looking rifle!
>>29509179
>>29509250
Also what are those peculiar things on the rear receiver cover?
>>29509250
Its just the way it was designed, instead of a charging handle, you grab onto the rear cover, slide it forward, then backwards and the bolt releases. I remove the magazine to prevent the bolt slamming shut on my thumb in the event that the lock didn't work. It's suppose to lock back on an empty mag, but it doesn't always work.
>>29509262
On the rear of the receiver, you have your stripper clip guide, which is the big box, which then has a brass deflector running down the side and back into the side of the cover. This can be uses as a charging handle but you're suppose to use the offset rectangular looking grips on each side to grab the whole cover.
>>29509298
I've heard that thing slams forward really quickly. Probably 10x worse than a thumb in the SKS.
>>29509298
Thanks anon!
>>29507849
This is mostly true. But also make sure the stock is not refinished.
>>29510767
>>29482142
Ayyyyyy nice m8. What model Mauser is it. My Mauser was my first fun and it is a Spanish 1947 chambered in 8mm. Got mine for 200 what did you get yours for.
from the last RIA auction, 5 gun lot, the sweede and the k11 are the best of the bunch by far
>>29510846
>>29510846
k11
honestly this bayonet was one of the reasons I bit on this lot in the first place. no regrets.
m1916 spanish mauser, still in it's original 7x57 chambering. most examples in the US seem to be the later .308 conversions which are kinda sketchy
the other two guns were a generic nugget that I sold already and a bubba'd finish stamped 7.35 Carcano, which I'm still trying to figure out what to do with
>>29502188
Hopefully this isn't sideways. It's nothing special, really. Springfield, pretty nice and crisp bore, stock looks pretty good but has dings here and there, which is fine with me because if I accidently ding it a little bit it's no big deal. It's not gonna be a safe queen.
>>29510874
Do you reload for it?? If so what's the cheapest bullets you can get? My LGS has like 5 bags of 100 of what look like pulled FMJ bullets from 7mm Mauser rounds. And he has em priced at like $6 per bag. I don't own anything in 7mm Mauser (yet) but was thinking of buying these because they are so fucking cheap and I might use them one day.
>>29510825
Said earlier in the thread, but w/e.
Gewehr 98 in 7.92x57 from Waffenfabrik Oberndorf. 1917, pretty excellent bore, bought for $240.
>>29510908
Get them, that's an excellent deal. 7mm bullets are really versatile (and normally really expensive).
>>29482983
Anyone know a good source for 8mm Mauser? The Yugoslav surplus stuff is pretty cheap (albeit corrosive), does anyone have experience with that?
Bought this Polish Mauser the other day. Sadly I haven't gotten to shoot it yet
>>29511926
>does anyone have experience with that?
Yes. Yugo M49 ball is good; M75 ball is great.
>>29512224
Gorg
>>29513703
All I've seen is M75 ball so that's good. Any tips on cleaning Mausers after corrosive shooting? Same basic steps as a mosin?
