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5.45x39mm is better than 7.62x39mm.
>>29481544
Apples and oranges
do you need ability to break barricades?
how close will you be?
are you hitting hard or soft targets?
7n6 is
brotip:it's not going to be around for much longer
Reminder: OP is a faggot
was this ever up for debate?
>>29481557
>apples and oranges
The Soviets sure didn't think so, and they designed both rounds :^)
Gonna shitpost about barrier penetration and AKMS with PBS-1 now?
>>29481544
>>29481604
>op is too poor to afford a weapon in both calibers
>>29481544
>7.62x39, 1944
>30 years later
>5.45x39, 1974
>42 years later
>present year
>>29481544
>7.62x39mm.
>5.45x39mm
cute
>>29481544
Of you are not wearing armor, which would you rather be shot by? Assume the best quality ammo for both rounds.
>>29481604
Russians use 7.62 and 5.45 both still
They are different purposes in mind
>>29481683
Or because there's a fuckhuge stockpile of 7.62.
>>29481683
>implying anything but the incompetence of chain of supply in the russian military is why they are still using 7.62x39 .
>>29481561
I know it's like these dumb fucks didn't learn when steel core 762 stopped being imported back in the 90s. Now you can't find any 762 anywhere. LOL AK SHITS BTFO
>>29481683
And there it is.
The only AKM you will see in service is AKMS with PBS-1 because they have a fuckhuge stockpile of them. 7.62x39 is an objectively inferior cartridge.
>>29481626
> 762x54R
> Not chambering your main battle rifle in .50 BMG
>>29481712
laughingsluts.jpg
Even better
>Muh US production 7.62x39
>When the SHTF I'll be able to find it at muh Walmart
Poorfags pretending to buy Winchester brass 7.62x39 for 50cpr
I'd get an AK74 if good mags werent 40 dollars
>>29481804
https://www.magpul.com/products/pmag-30-ak74-moe
>>29481746
>objectively inferior cartridge
But it's not.
>>29481827
Those aren't good mags. There are definitely good 74 mags for less than $40, though.
>>29481827
He said good mags.
I love AR PMAGs but their AK mags are Tapco tier trash.
>>29481851
They aren't even out yet, how can you make that assertion?
>>29481827
>https://www.magpul.com/products/pmag-30-ak74-moe
why the fuck doesnt Magpul just make them with metal lips and lugs to start off with
>>29481864
You don't need metal in your mags, aside from the spring, obviously, for them to be god tier.
>>29481858
Lack of steel feed lips, locking lugs or reinforcements. There's a reason all the various polymer military AK magazines are covered in steel reinforcements.
>>29481873
For rock in mags, yes, yes you fucking do, fagtron.
>>29481891
its just a pain in the ass that i know next year magpul will release a "good" 74 mag with all the metal reinforcements (that im sure is already designed) and just call it the gen 2.
>>29481804
>not using that as an excuse to use bakelites exclusively
sm.h tb.h famalam
>>29481933
is that like 1000$ of bakelite mags
>>29481922
They won't. They repeatedly said they don't plan on ever adding steel inserts in any of their AK mags.
>>29481557
More like rainbows and lasers.
>>29481962
Kek
>>29481621
>op is too poor to afford a weapon in either caliber
FTFY
>>29481962
Phuc off phuc long
>>29481952
https://www.magpul.com/products/pmag-30-ak-akm-gen-m3
>>29481746
>because they have a fuckhuge stockpile of them
confirmed for know nothing about Soviet/Russian special operation force
>>29481703
>this is why tripfags are looked down upon now
7.62x39 firearms perform better in cold weather conditions.
>>29482073
What are the beach balls for?
>>29481544
>Being so mad that I blew your ass outta the water in /akg/ that you had to make a dedicated 5.45>7.62 thread
OP, your tears are DELICIOUS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwL_o2MvMbk
>>29481557
7N10 has better barrier penetration and terminal effects than 57-N-231 (M43 ball).
>>29481544
Yep.
I like 5.45 because last time I bought it I got it for 9 cents a round.
>>29481962
Why do I have a feeling we've all watched it but none of us want to link it here due to tripfag issues?
The 7.62 does the good shooting out to 300 meters.
But at the 301 meters it fails, the 5.45 is the better round for the 301 meters.
>>29481544
Yes.
Tripfag opinions matter more than anon opinions.
>>29481557
>Barricades meme.
5.45 proven to have better penetration. Why even shoot at something you can not see behind anyway.
>>29482777
I like your mom, last time at the whore house she was the cheapest one
>>29481544
this is true
>>29481544
Do people actually debate this?
5.45 master race.
>>29482931
Damn nigga
>>29482978
5.45x39 and 7.62x54R is all you need.
>>29481544
So, does this mean the .300blk was a step backwards in capabilities from 5.56x45?
>>29482908
This. MAC shot 5.45, 7.62x39, and .308 (I can't remember the last one) at a nice frozen tree. 5.45 went through with plenty of energy to spare.
>>29481791
>.50bmg
>not chambering your main battle rifle in 15.2mm
>5.45
>not 30.06
Springfield or GTFO
>>29481804
here you go retard.
http://jesticearms.com/Mags/Mags-AK47-AK74/Russian-Tula-Plum-30-Round-AK-74-5.45x39-magazine-RUSTY
$39.95
that's nowhere near $40
>not owning all the calibers so you can shitpost in all caliber trollthreads
It's like you guys aren't even trying to be internet gun autists
>>29483368
I am yes to collect them all but is not for going with good money time to me.
Whatever you do keep your AK away from the mud. They cant take imperfect conditions.
>>29483393
like my dick.
>>29483393
I've done plenty of drop tests in mud from thick to thin and never had a malfunction. I've never shoveled mud all over it like your fagboy long haired wet dream boyfriend did, but that doesn't accurately reflect a real life scenario.
>>29481712
>muh retarded strawman point
7.62x39 was much more common at the point when steel core was banned than 5.45 was when 7n6 was banned. Additionally, it wasn't the main source of 7.62 ammo whereas with 7n6 it was. Go ahead and meme away you in-denial cuck.
>>29483314
I wish we had this test repeated with a more consistently manufactured barrier. Not because I expected the fatter bullets to penetrate more, but just because I want to understand why the 5.56 performed differently than the 5.45.
Both rounds are right around 900m/s, and 2% in bullet diameter should not result in that much different in resistance.
>>29483280
Yes, by every objective measure except being able to use a huge range of bullet weights.
>>29483453
my bet is pure lead core vs steel core. 7n6 steel core is very mild, but still much harder than the lead in the 5.56 he used
Whats realistic is that my rifle will fire in any condition your slavaboo rifle will even mud.
>>29483497
> 5.56 better in every objective measure
Except for the following:
> BC (.224 55gr = .25, .308 125gr = .32
> KE
> Performance out of SBRs
> Wound diameter
I get it. The 5.56 drops less, gets there quicker, and is much more available. But you and I both know the .300blk had a lot more thought put into it than shooting a large variety of bullet weights.
>>29483562
All ammo was lead core. Though 5.45 was 5.45x39 FMJ 59 Grain Golden Tiger. IIRC it has steel jacket. Ammo of other calibers had copper jacket.
>>29483044
That's sexy
>>29482269
>7.62x39 firearms perform better in cold weather conditions.
Not really, no. Temperature doesn't affect caliber.
>>29481947
$900 to be exact
>>29482384
Still waiting on that prof troll.
>>29481561
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>>29484291
ahahahaha
7.62x39 ak's have better extraction due to the high taper angle you chuckle fuck
Wow, Martin Fackler is dead...
F
>>29486824
i always have one mag of PPU 7.62x39 SP for homedefense loaded.
Modern SP are damn fine for 7.62x39 as seen here >>29486824
>>29483345
>15.2mm
>Not making your battle rifle a 4bore
>>29483044
i see you cats with guns
http://www.amazon.com/Cats-Guns-Parkyn/dp/184543367X
>>29487254
Ian, Please.
>>29483314
> Shooting already broken up tree by 308 and x39 or another tree that could be lower density or thinner or younger tree
Goo gawdg 5.45 best! Plus 5.45 was ap ammo meanwhile non ap 7.62x39 and 308win was used.
Tree shooting gig up boys.
>>29481544
Do they make a 5.45 bolt action?
>>29485175
Thats against best interest of business in America.
Remember how trump stance about "job in america"
So...
>>29487553
Nope the 5.45 was just commercial GT ammo.
You need to quit lying.
>>29481544
muh 30 cal tho
I prefer it just because I like the recoil and the way 7.62x39 looks
>>29483777
>using worse bc 224 cal bullet to make 300nigger trash look better
Dude 77gr have bc of .36+
Plus even if 5.56 have worse bc it would shoot flatter due to velocity advantage over droopy dick rainbow shooting 300niggerout
>>29481544
Hey phuc long
>>29487633
U sure boy? I must have mis-remeber. But i was betty sure.
Somebody confirm dis?
But you see how non scientific test is right? Big time, too much vary between tree.
-Tree age+density
-Shot placement along the trunk heightwise change the density of trunk round penetrated
-shot placement horizontal wise change length and density round penetrated
>>29487679
I just watched it when you shiters where going on about 5.45 uselessness it was just GT not 7n6.
>>29481933
Museum grade, yo.
>>29481544
less fun and 6,5x55 is best caliber for tactical resons
>>29487691
5.45 GT is steel jacket.
>>29483044
>Gee anon, why does your mum let you have two SVDs?
>>29489125
because I get all them good boy points
>literally same tree
>thinks 5.45 is AP because ATF said so
something is wrong with you
Who cares
Why do you /akg/ fags bother with jumping through hoops to get a butchered-by-century-and-tapco mediocre 1940's era carbine with mediocre calibers instead of just get an AR-15?
![X76239-2[1].jpg_1430135640.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tr3Ag7i.jpg "X76239-2[1].jpg_1430135640.jpg")
>>29486824
why would Winchester market soft points like pic related for deer/wild boar but hollow points for "personal defense"?
they have 7.62x39 in 123g Super X "Power Point" proprietary SPs for hunting and then 120g g PDX1 Defender hollow points for personal defense.
is there any noticeable difference or is it just marketing? I'm not that versed in ammunition/ballistics yet, but from my limited knowledge it seems like hollow points and soft points are practically the same for expansion and penetration purposes
>>29489600
I just have a few mags of Brown Bear JSPs for home defense.
If that's not enough to stop a home invasion, it's probably time for me to die anyway.
>these niggas don't know about 9x39mm
>will fuck your bitch without you ever hearing
>>29489499
>imblying the imbligation that we don't have both
>>29489719
>yfw you can't get that shit in the u.s.
>yfw you have no face
>>29489086
But not steel core like 7n6, also most x39 in both flavors is.
>>29481962
What the phuc, bro
>>29489332
Can you sell me one?
>>29481703
And non of us Americans can buy it...
when i start getting attacked by hardwoods i always go for my 5.45
simply compare the wound channels
5,45 is inferior nigga
>>29489760
>also most x39 in both flavors is.
Not in case of MAC tests.
>>29489806
simply compare the ballistic trajectory
7,62 is inferior nigga
>>29481791
>year of our lord + 2016
>not using 20mm for your CCW
C'mon man
>>29489730
>That NERV logo
>>29489771
I need them all
