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Post cute derringers.
>>29468604
these are the worst, most pointless firearms ever conceived.
>>29468616
What, you don't like tiny cute pistols? They weren't that much worse than common larger pistols at the time.
>>29468604
Why are theses weapons so ugly? It's just did they do a random sketch when the guy making the gun was like whats it gonna look like?
>>29468652
This looks somewhat acceptable.
>>29468652
Here's a Heizer Double Tap; ugly, cheap, and actually pretty reliable by most accounts. God knows why they made a .223 version
The classic Remington Derringer. Originally started with rimfire cartridges, and now reproduced by saturday night special makers everywhere
As always, the NAA will always have a special place in our hearts as being one of the most annoyingly fun pocket designs out there. Good luck hitting anything past the muzzle
This particular colt 1908 (25 acp) was probably used by your Great Great Grandfather to kill those who suspected that he cheated at cards.
And yes, he did in fact cheat at cards
The spiritual successor to the 1908, the Baby Browning, was probably used by your uncle to mug people in alleyways. Either that or help Travis Bickle wage war on a few pimps
>>29468709
>Why are theses weapons so ugly?
They were designed for maximum concealability. The grip on the one in the OP would keep the gun from sliding around in your hand like the grip on the Remingotn model 95 (the derringer most people think of when they hear the word derringer) would.
>>29468790
Worst part about them is that most of the accuracy problems on those could be solved with a rear sight, and it's not like a rear sight would risk snaging on anything that the hammer wouldn't snag on first. Do that and modify the grip to be more like the gun in the OP to keep you from having to adjust your grip after each shot and they'd be really nice guns.
Although not a true derringer in any sense of the word, special mention should go out to the COP .357, whose horrific trigger pull, insane recoil, and bulky frame really put the hurt on anyone who attempted IWB carry with it
>>29468810
I almost purchased a CZ DUO for a bit over $200 a couple years ago, pretty much a Colt 1908 except sliightly shorter and without the grip safety. Chose not to because I was in between jobs at the time, then I got a job a week after I saw it by which time it was gone. Still regret not getting it.
>>29468835
Totally agree with you there. Those revolvers are only a couple steps short of being really nice little guns.
Here's a Sharps 4 barrel .22 short derringer
>>29468867
Man, that sucks; if there's one silver lining though, there are plenty of comparable pocket guns out there. Hell, CZ DUOs aren't even that ridiculous to find themselves. Just be patient
As always, Kel Tec's offering is something that was born in the late 80s, and somehow manages to look straight out of the 90's despite having over twenty years to improve how it looks. That aside, they've actually gotten much more reliable as time goes on
>>29468856
Looks neat as hell tho
One of my favorite historical pocket guns, the S&W lemon squeezer set the standard for tiny pocket revolvers everywhere.
Que granddad saying, "They don't make 'em like they used to"
>>29468899
I have yet to see another small .25 ACP pistol locally that wasn't a shitty potmetal gun and haven't been able to find a deal on a decent quality/condition one online that wasn't at least $100 more than that deal.
Colt's eventual answer to the lemon squeezer (and derivative pocket revolvers), the Pocket Positive served many people well during their lifetimes.
That is until all the leaf springs broke and the trigger wouldn't reset. Oh well
While we're on the subject of revolvers, I'm almost certain that nearly every old person in the States has an H&R or even a JC Higgins somewhere within the confines of their house. No guarantees whether it works or not, but they're there somewhere. Probably lying in wait
What list could possibly be complete without mentioning the Beretta Tomcat/Bobcat/Jetfire/Ravioli/etc line of pocket guns? With a really neat tip-up barrel and no extractor to speak of, you'll be wondering just how useful it really is. Don't worry though, it's pretty cool even if it doesn't work
>>29468773
>>29468835
I've always thought those derringers were neat. Never been able to justify $150+ on a shitty SNS version or a few hundred on the oversized decent quality version though. I have considered getting an airshit one to mess around with considering they're only $50, manage to have a better reputation for parts not breaking than the SNS versions, and have about the same max effective range, which could be reached inside my house, considering how I've heard the sights tend to not line up with both barrels on either.
At one point in time, Charter Arms was a name you could trust. From cops to serial killers, everyone loved the old Bulldog 44 (special). After a few slumps in the market though, in 2016 you'd be hard pressed to find a worse revolver that didn't come from Taurus.
Oops, I almost forgot! The Colt 22 short derringer. If it was any more simple, it would just be a pipe with a screw drilled into it. Look out for later reproductions by colt though. They were built just to be looked at, and firing real round through it can melt the poor little potmetal barrel
This one may not have fell off the assembly line like this, but it sure was the pride and joy of one particular Colt worker. The Fitzgerald special was an extremely popular conversion for New Service (and Official Police among others) models. Just be sure not to get too handsy with the trigger, okay?
nice thread
>>29468616
You could have used it to kill presidents
>>29468856
Could we make it better with modern metallurgy? Maybe make it a bit less bulky, slimmer grips, and a trigger safety instead of a heavy trigger pull. Nothing to be done about the recoil. .357 mag pocket pistol is the whole draw of the thing.
>>29471544
Although I think it's actually pretty neat despite its shortcomings, the dimensions fundamentally couldn't change all that much if they stuck with the 2x2 pepperbox style design. Also, with the way the trigger/firing pin interact (rotating firing pin system), I can't exactly say how they would lighten it without compromising safety/functionality.
As much as I hate to say it, there's really not a whole lot you can do with that avenue of design unless you tolerate those faults, because they really aren't going away. Now if you suggested a vertical 2x1 style instead, you may be onto something
Who's ready for a few more? Let's move onto the Colt Pocketlite Mustang (.380); despite the fact that they had everything going for them on this one, Colt managed to drop the ball hard. Inexplicably plagued by feeding/ejection issues, you'd be lucky to get one of these old timers up and running without taking a few trips to the smith. However, I can't say too much about the new ones, so feel free to roll the dice at your own expense!
In a strange twist of fate, even Iver Johnson got caught up in the pocket pistol madness of the 70s. For one, they introduced the 'Pony' Model .380, which was essentially a direct descendant of the Star model B mixed with a Colt Mustang. There is a long and convoluted story as to how that came to be, but I think that one is best left to the history books.
Back to the basics, S&W also liked to capitalize on the M&P's diminutive brother, the I-frame. Known as the ".32 hand ejector" and "Terrier" in some instances, this little gun was available into the early 70s. As an added bonus, it shot the wonderfully underpowered .32 S&W Long round with almost zero noticeable recoil.
Up next is the Seecamp pistol, whose quality was determined by how badly Seecamp's arthritis was acting up on the particular day it was made. It was a heavy little sucker, and the trigger is nothing to write home about; due to these endearing attributes, NAA even made their very own inferior copy!
If not all things were made equally, then God really had it out for this one. Even though it looked pretty cool at the time, the AMT Backup was a spectacular failure, much like AMT's other product lines. Poor trigger, unreliable, and was damn near impossible to take apart. Available at a pawn shop near you!
>>29468751
Holy fu k
>223
AHHHHH
>>29468751
Because we clearly haven't finished paying for our grave sins Heizer is subjecting mankind to a 7.62×39 and possibly one in .308
>>29472254
Legitimately one of the best threads I've ever seen. Just the little bit of info you're putting out with the pics blows any article I've read out of the water.
>Tip of the hat to you sir.
>tfw No 7.62 x 54 side by side
>>29468856
This is a .22 thing I was making in 3d when I was bored for a day. You pic reminded me of it.
It's still missing a handle, but the idea is that the firing pin would rotate in the tube when the trigger was pulled (trigger slides back, rather than rotates)
Trigger and handle would fold up to make the gun pretty tiny. There's a lot that impracticle or wrong about it (trigger spring is too small, no way for the barrel to lock in the tube yet, etc...), but like I said, it was just for kicks. I kinda want something like this to exist, provided it's not overdesigned or big.
>>29473982
For what purpose?
>>29474035
I dunno, backup for a howdah pistol? I saw it in a recent thread and kind of want one.
>>29474035
To shoot shit
This is not complicated.
>>29473155
But why? What have we done to deserve this? What possible reason would there be for a .308 pocket pistol?
>>29474151
Why don't they make these anymore? You could make a really nice one in one of the stupid supermag calibers like .50AE or .500 SW and people would love it
>>29474211
.50 Beowulf and 10mm might sell too. I'd like to see a derringer with thick bull barrels. For more manageable calibers, .50 GI, .327 mag, and .22 TCM would be nice.
>>29468856
I want one in .410, and I don't even like tf2.
>>29474178
It sounds funny when telling someone about it, that alone is enough to get some sales. And then from the fireball, you get some more.
If you thought this thread was over, then you were sorely mistaken! Here's six more models for the road:
Although "Pocket Pistol" is really stretching it on this one, the Mauser 1914 deserves some solid praise for being a well-built blowback semi auto that is still feasibly usable even today. Hell, you can probably dig up quite a few (along with their original owners) along previous western front lines in West France. Legality and personal safety not guaranteed
Since I brought them up earlier, I think it's time to unveil Taurus's latest abomination... er... creation. The Taurus View! A small, misshapen .38 with an arbitrary plastic sideplate so you can look at the internals of the gun. Unfortunately, that means you can personally view the poor fitment and tooling marks without even opening up the damn thing. If you're planning on buying this one boys, you might as well just send me an envelope for 400 bucks instead; it's probably still a wiser investment
I finally have a reason to post this
I may be a little harsh on a few of the guns in the lineup, but I think a little criticism can go a long way in improving ourselves and the products we make. However, no amount of criticism can possibly save the Lorcin L series of pocket pistols. People make fun of Glocks for blowing up, but they have nothing on the L series. The L380 and L9 actually have a very good chance of exploding within 200 rounds if you're unlucky enough. That's a hell of a break-in period if you ask me!
Deciding that the third time's the charm, Sig recently unveiled their very own pocket 1911 (not exactly, but close enough), the P938. The best part is, they may actually be right about this one. Whether or not you're a strong proponent of external extractors, these little guys seem to be handling themselves quite well, and all the teething problems seem to be settling down as of now. However, the jury is still out regarding why they made a rainbow version: maybe they just like emulating cheap gas station knives?
Whenever some old guy harasses you in the gun store and boldly claims that "Older guns were made better than this junk!", then just bring up the Ruby Pistol sometime. In all fairness, the design is solid, as long as all the parts are fitted correctly: in short, they are not. French subcontractors of the time didn't know about the magic of 'heat treatment' and 'quality control', so the gun's reputation became less-than-stellar after a few short years. Also, the grip angle has convinced me that they didn't exactly have human hands in mind when they made this one.
>>29468751
>ST. LOUIS MO USA EARTH
>EARTH
>>29474971
Look at those beautiful internals. Like a fine Swiss watch.
This is it: the original gangster of Smith & Wesson: the Model 1. By some miracle, this humble little revolver somehow catapulted S&W to the top in just a few short years (*cough*...bored through cylinder patents). And since it utilizes the incredibly powerful .22 short black powder cartridge, you can be rest assured that you're safe and sound.
It's been fun guys, I hope someone learned something worthwhile through all of the BS I've put out. Just remember, if you're looking for a decent pocket pistol, make sure you thoroughly research it before you buy it.
>>29474971
God damn....even the gun they dolled up for a photoshoot has obvious tool marks. It's like they know how much they suck and aren't even bothering.
>>29475132
Can't believe I said this but you actually deserve a trip man.
>>29468835
>>29468790
I fucking love NAA. I have the .22lr one, I can hit a bouncing steel target at 5 yards maybe 1/6 shots if I aim really carefully. They also come in .22 magnum, and you can get these neat grip/holsters for them like in pic related too.
I fucking love tiny hand guns. I've mentioned that a few times on /k/
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>>29468751
>that grip
>>29468832
I need one of these. I'm not sure why. maybe to make my p64 feel bigger. are they expensive at all? Anything mechanical I need to check with one?
>>29475273
They're going to run you a little more than the average .25 out there (300-450 if you're impatient), so be prepared for that. Also, I've heard a couple cases where the safety engagement was rather weak, and it could potentially switch off while in the pocket (or within a pocket holster), so be aware of that. Otherwise just look for the usual- rust, grime, signs of modification/abuse, and cracks.
>>29475184
Thanks! Trust me though, you never need a trip to post quality content; although I wouldn't necessarily consider my scattered ramblings to be quality content.
>>29475164
There are brands objectively worse than Taurus, but it's the only company I can think of that practically admits that they don't put pride in their work
>>29475308
Thanks. Browning is actually a relative of mine, I keep thinking I'm going to go buy a complete set of weapons based on his designs. Will need to build an addition on my house to store them.
>>29475327
In that case, I wish you the best in finding all of them! Luckily for you, most of his work was extremely prolific; the only ones you may have trouble finding are his early FN produced pistols, but even those have found there way into the States by now. It may cost you a pretty penny for some, but you'll end up with an exquisite collection when the dust settles
>>29475348
>>29475348
The tricky ones are NFA victims, I think.
Regardless, its less autistic than trying to get one of every AR15 variant out there.
>>29475363
If you plan on going the NFA route, you'll have your work cut out for you! My advice though: start small and increase from there. You probably don't want to end up with an M2 for a coffee table, so know your own financial limits going in. Also, don't feel personally obligated to get EVERY single variation he designed; he was a very, very busy man in his hayday, and his work influenced thousands upon thousands of small arms.
>>29475391
Well, the first rifle my father gave me was a winchester 1890, so that was when I started thinking about something like this. First pistol was a colt woodsman, also one of his designs. Need to get a hi power, but I love my sig so much...
There's no prize at the end of the road, its the journey that's enjoyable. DESU, space is going to be the issue before money, except for the NFA bits.
>>29469146
That was actually a common set up for the Shanghai Municipal Police, popularized with them by none other than Fairbairn himself.
