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How good are Chinese planes really? Have they ever been used in combat? How can a country without even a domestic automotive industry let alone aeronautics industry make fighter jets?
>>29467241
Every single thing you just asked and said is incredibly stupid.
>>29467241
their kinda shit, but they will do the job vs countries like north korea, russia or india.
>>29467241
They can't make engines. That's their biggest handicap by far.
>>29467241
You can find some very good analysis on this online.
In short, China is still lagging decades behind in metallurgy and especially manufacturing. Chinese cant into tolerances and quality control, which is why their domestic engines rip themselves to pieces under any sort of real stress. They're also decades behind on clean rooms and everything that goes into computer chip & electronis manufacturing.
Overall, they struggle to do what we were doing in the 70s, despite how modern & sexy their meme planes look.
This will change fast, as China's well aware of these deficiencies and making MASSIVE investments into correcting them. However, we'll all be old men by the time they can approach the US or Russia
>>29467241
>How good are Chinese planes really?
Very good.
>Have they ever been used in combat?
yes
>How can a country without even a domestic automotive industry let alone aeronautics industry make fighter jets?
Well, good that China is the largest producer of cars since 2008. And even exceeds the car production of European and American cars together since 2009.
>>29467390
>Well, good that China is the largest producer of cars since 2008. And even exceeds the car production of European and American cars together since 2009.
Obviously not good enough for the export market.
>>29467397
In total numbers is pretty good.
>>29467390
You deserve a dollar for this
>>29467390
You know what the engineers did when they safety tested shitty chinese cars? They laughed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ULm6QrC428
>>29467390
Hey Wei, how did you get on 4chan?
>>29467311
That's just dispersing gas, they're learning from the master (Hitler.)
>>29467397
probably because they make budget cars that would be hilariously expensive due to tariffs
every car they make is ford pinto-tier. nobody outside of china is going to buy that shit
>>29467428
>capitalism works without oversight the clip
>>29468195
china is communist you fucking retard
Regulations designed to inflate the costs of everything is not "capitalism"
Well considering no one outside of the chinese military has ever seen their fighters in action I would say they are probably somewhere between "mig 17 with a body kit" and "space age future fighter from another dimension"
>>29468209
>china
>commie
not since mao kicked the bucket you dingus
>>29468209
The problem with a dogmatic attitude like that is that eventually nothing in the world is describable by words.
>>29468220
>The Communist Party of China (CPC) [a] is the founding and ruling political party of the People's Republic of China (PRC).
??
>>29468228
do you not see what i'm responding to?
>>29468195
When you see it.
>>29468234
The ideals of the party have since shifted.
>>29468209
Found the underaged faggot talking out of his ass like a complete retard.
>>29468271
>>29468281
these commie enabling piece of shits
every commie ever born was a liar
>>29468288
>COMMIES COMMIES COMMIES REEEEE
How's the purity of your bodily fluids today mate?
>>29468209
>I read a book 10 years ago the post
>>29468337
Do you seriously believe China is a Democracy?
>>29468355
No one said China was a Democracy, everyone said China is Capitalist.
>>29468364
>>29468337
>>29468340
China is still an authoritarian communist country despite the fact they might have dropped some aspects of commie economics.
Theres no fucking free market in china.
>>29468364
A Capitalist Dictatorship maybe.
>>29468355
>THERE ARE ONLY TWO KINDS OF GOVERNMENT. DEMOCRACY AND COMMUNISM.
Christ, read a book.
Or even glance at wikipedia.
>>29468374
Jesus christ, this 1000x.
>>29468234
Funny how there are private debtors prisons in a commie country
>>29468378
Pretty much senpai.
>>29468382
Refer to >>29468374
>>29468355
Wow, you need to kill yourself, this is uncorrectable
>>29468209
>>29468234
>what is "socialism with Chinese characteristics"
Their official ideology is Communism, that is, they want to implement communism.
However their day-to-day ideology goes basically as follows:
First you have to develop capitalism, then there's a revolution that brings socialism, which develops into communism.
However China wasn't properly developed in Capitalism when the revolution came, so you need a special variant of Socialism that is suspiciously similar to capitalism to account for that.
They are communists because they want communism in the future, not because they have achieved communism now.
>>29468374
Repeat after me
>capitalism is not a political system
>>29468378
It's autocratic, dictatorship is going too far
>>29468288
There are loads of imported sports cars in China.
>>29468407
there is no such thing as "capitalism"
"capitalism" is just the nature of reality
>>29467397
Thats because those cars are for growing domestic middle income consumers.
Demand is high, government even limits the number of car buying per year.
>>29468374
Says the nigger that's never set foot in china
The only "COMMIE" thing they have is old age pension.
Being autocratic and restrictions placed on individual liberties is political, not economics
>>29468479
You're looking at the world in far too rigid a way.
Is "capitalism" the best way of organizing an economy for long term sustainability? Perhaps. That would make capitalism rational, but reality isn't always rational.
But capitalism was not the reality for Cambodians during Pol Pot's rule, for example. (I was going to say Soviet Union, but some call that State Capitalism, and there's a case for that, but if we call it Socialist for the example's sake, again, you've got almost a century of "reality" that wasn't capitalist, even if it was a stupid system.)
The reality for those Cambodians was that autonomous collection of food was free-enterprise that'd have you shot, even if that's completely illogical.
>>29468510
There is no one capitalism in the first place
>>29468496
I was just watching a dota tournament in shanghai and they had a party member watching the outgoing stream able to kill it @ any time.
Nope, nothing communist about that huh
>>29468510
Capitalism is just reality, it exists by default, even in a communist country you will have "capitalism", any place two people exist & engage in trade, you have "capitalism".
This socialism/communism stuff is a top down artificial structure imposed by force.
>>29468399
I wasn't saying they weren't authoritarian, they are incredibly authoritarian.
They're not communists any more though.
Authoritarian does not necessarily mean communist, it was just a hallmark of the shitty slav brand communism that a whole bunch of poor fucks had to put up with for the best part of 80 years.
You can have liberal democratic communism just like you can have conservative authoritarian capitalism.
Communism is flawed. Massively. It's never going to happen without some hardcore AI computer controlled distributed manufacturing star trek replicator shit.
America really needs to stop with calling random shit communism though, it really does hinder development. I mean, fuck, just switching to a more sane healthcare system would free up $3000-6000 per capita per year to be dropped in tax breaks or spent on infrastructure/education/whatever the fuck
BUT NO THAT'S COMMUNISM. WE WOULD BE LITERALLY WORSE THAN STALIN AND HITLER COMBINED.
>>29468516
That's pretty self-evident, even if you don't consider China capitalist it still covers everything from The USA to Europen social-democracy.
>>29468526
>even in a communist country you will have "capitalism", any place two people exist & engage in trade, you have "capitalism".
For all of 10 seconds, if we're sticking to Cambodia under Pol Pot as an example.
>This socialism/communism stuff is a top down artificial structure imposed by force.
'Capitalism is the default' and 'Capitalism is reality' are two very different statements.
I won't argue it isn't the default, but the fact that the power of the KGB is an artificial structure doesn't change anything about it putting me in jail.
>>29468526
you're conflating communism with authoritarianism.
They're not the same.
Counterpoint to the 'default' whatevers; you and your buddies go on a camping trip. You all pitch in for the food, beer, fuel in equal shares. Sure, someone might snark some extra hotdogs or an extra beer and you're all using your tent because you had one.
But fuck it, you're having a fun trip and you used Bill's car and Jack's boat to go fishing with. You all pitched in and had a great weekend.
That's 'natural' communism, and it's how a lot of tribal societies operate/operated.
It completely breaks down when you're not friends with the people you're sharing with though, hence Communism being flawed.
>>29467311
try making an engine that can run on Chinese Air, any American engines would probably choke and fail 3km into chinese airspace.
>>29468584
just clouds & fog
>>29468528
>It's never going to happen without some hardcore AI computer controlled distributed manufacturing star trek replicator shit.
Even that's not communism, that's the kind of Socialism that the USSR was going for. It's rooted in the idea of a managed economy. You can have market socialism as distinct from that. (although that may end up just being a social-democracy where the state owns all major industry in practice.)
A managed economy is actually pretty effective in wartime where you do know the economic needs of the country very strongly, and where people are willing to sacrifice some living standards for victory. While small-scale unplanned commerce and black-market stuff remains, it was pretty well achieved during WW2 in the UK and in parts of the US military.
In peacetime, that's when you start needing a computer, a magician and a replicator.
>>29467428
Still better than Japanese cars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8j2bFYKqc
>>29468374
This. Thank god someone said it before I had to.
>>29468340
>>29468337
>>29468281
>>29468228
>>29468220
What are you trying to prove. The anon the anon you replied to is wrong for using that video as an example because what we are witnessing is not the product of a free-market/capitalist economy. Instead it is a rigorously controlled and heavily government subsidized facsimile of capitalism. There is no "free-market" in China.
>>29467364
Damn every single thing you said is so wrong.
As for Chinese fighter engines, they have been literally flying circles around american planes since years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqKL4Oa748U
>>29468655
>There is no "free-market" in China.
That doesn't mean it isn't capitalist.
>>29468665
I like this joke post.
>It can outmanoeuvre an airliner!
>>29468680
I dont know whether you are aware that flying a close by barrel roll only a dozen meters away from another plane is serious business and requires you to have engines and FBW and pilots that can actually reliably pull off this shit?
This is in any case a complete and utter destruction of that "chinese engines are unreliable" meme. And it also destroys that "chinese engine have spool up issues" meme as well, that is still parroted here, despite having been fixed since 2009, when the mass production of the WS-10 was announced.
>>29468707
>and requires you to have engines
FUCK YOU I DO WHAT I WANT
>>29468707
And Chinese engines are even equipping single engine fighter jets nowadays, with the J-10B block II being equipped with them.
Another sign of having attained good reliability.
Literally every meme-argument here is old as shit and has been adressed for at least five to ten years.
>>29468510
>>29468545
>>29468571
This is probably what he means.
https://youtu.be/NKkRDMil0bw
>>29468668
It means that at the level at the Chinese economy is not decentralized and is foremost a planned economy and not a capitalist one. I suppose it depends how far you are willing to stretch tue definition of "being capitalist." In my book however, China is merely exploiting aspects of capitalist economies so that it can better compete in global markets.
>>29468707
>>29468723
God dude why shitpost this loudly.
>>29468723
>Another sign of having attained good reliability.
Not really. The biggest downfall of Chinese engines hasn't been that they've been so unreliable that they can't be trusted in a single-engined machine (hell, just about everything China's flown since the Sino-Soviet split has been a single-engine fighter using a domestically produced engine), but that they have retardedly short service lives, even compared to slavshit.
>>29468723
The funny thing is the WS-10 took like 25 years or so to develop.
Even so the Chinese themselves aren't too confident, IIRC they only had one J-10B prototype with the WS-10 and the first few J-10Bs all took the Russian engines.
That being said the J-10B seems like a fine little combat aircraft.
>In 2015, China Military Online published an analysis advocating Argentina's adoption of the J-10, claiming that while the operational range of current versions could not yet allow it to reach the Falkland Islands, the aircraft, particularly its radar, were superior to the Typhoon and that tanker aircraft could place the islands within range.
Kek.
"Psst, Argentina, want to give it another go? I've got the good stuff*..."
*tanker not included, no warranty, buyer pays return postage
>>29468633
that video is garbage, the chinese car went trough different, much easier, tests
Economics and politics go hand in hand.
>>29468965
Can't even reach the fucking Falklands.
My sides are in orbit.
>>29470350
?
what fighter has a 1000 mile combat radius?
>>29468965
>better than a typhoon
Mabey a hawker Typhoon
>>29470496
F-35 if you put two tanks on it.
>>29470350
>what is in air refuling
>>29470661
it's absurdly expensive and dangerous thing to do compared to just building a plane with longer range
>>29468665
you keep telling yourself that, friend.
>>29470673
>dangerous
M8 our 130Js refuel helicopters and V22s with high speed drouges, our 135s use a boom to refuel our 130Js, and a shit ton of other fighters on a daily basis. When have you heard of a recent in air refueling accident?
>>29470759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnoF1AJXokM
Looks like a close call in this video
And whats routine for the US might be more tricky for the argentinian air force
>>29470759
What about an actual combat situation? How easy is it to shoot down a slow lumbering oil tanker. Especially with a lot of newer long ranged missiles.
>>29470673
>>29471054
Aerial refueling has been standard practice for pretty much every remotely relevant air force since the 70's, m8. It's neither absurdly expensive nor all that dangerous.
>>29471160
>Argentinian Air Force
>relevant
>>29471257
They had a single tanker in '82 that was the only reason they had any air presence at all over the Falklands.
Nowadays, they're far worse off, but generally it's easier to build and operate a fighter with a smaller operational radius and supplement it with tankers than it is to procure a fighter with a larger operational radius.
The J-20 looks very promising and is the only real non-American 5th gen, even has a few features the F-22 doesn't.
>>29471645
The F-22 is outdated by 5th gen standards by quite a bit in comparison to the F-35, but there's no way the Chinese have the stealth development and precision needed to actually call their planes Gen 5.
>>29468212
Why argue when the /thread is right here?
>>29474070
>Chinese can't call their planes Gen 5
It's a long-range stealth supersonic fighter with DSI, 360° EODAS, IRST, 1475 AESA FCS, digital cockpit, advanced HSDB and HMD, holographic HUD and frameless canopy.
It's everything that embodies 5th gen and more.
>>29468594
>Just clouds and fog
Dude do you know what it's like living in South Korea ? Eastward wind bring Chinese smog so often that I always have to carry around a mask during commute.
People collected the dust and did analysis and it contained all the ABC's of heavy industry.
The smog problem is real and you should be thankful to live anywhere FAR AWAY from China.
>>29474159
It's not stealth, at all
They have Sinotruk, and Coda automotive, which I have test driven.
The Coda sucked. The Chinese lied about its capabilities, which killed its reputation from the beginning.
As a general rule, every car I've worked on or been involved with from a Communist nation has been garbage, weather it came from the USSR, East Germany, or China.
>>29474177
Despite it using a DSI.
Despite it using stolen USAF technology.
Despite it using RAM.
Despite it using S-Ducts.
Despite it using an RCS decreasing body.
Despite it using a luneberg lens.
Okay champ.
>>29471309
>the only reason they had any air presence at all over the Falklands.
Wasn't there one type of plane that they could get into the area at the very very edge of it's range?
Or was that with refuelling, with the only area safe to refuel being hundreds of miles outside the range of the RN.
>>29474165
China needs to get it's air pollution practices under control. The world is predicted to die in 1000 years at current GH emission rates.
>>29474843
The chinese will evolve to survive it.
That's why they pollute so much.
Full communism by 3018
>>29474165
You seem to be confused. "Just clouds and fog" is most likely said by that anon with great sarcasm to mock the communist officials who try to downplay China's smog problems.
>>29474753
IIRC they sent out Vulcans to bomb Falkland's airfield, they had to refuel at Ascension
>>29475097
Sorry, should've been clearer, I was talking about the argentinians.
Black buck was pretty interesting, even with ASI a ton of re-fueling was needed, and it was largely outside the range of the tankers leading to this amusing little setup
>>29475117
Oh no, my bad, I was too lazy to check the reply chain the the beginning. I watched a documentary and the Vulcan arrangement sounded ridiculous, then I saw this pic shortly after. I hope whoever coordinated this received a medal
>>29470673
Idiot.
>>29467241
Pretty good.
In the USA you would call it a "gamechanger".
>>29475379
>canards
>fucking canards
>>29475385
>Le canards aren't stealthy meme
>>29475385
One of the most elegant control surfaces in aerodynamics.
>>29468707
>requires you to have engines and FBW and pilots that can actually reliably pull off this shit?
Or maybe just complete disregard for human life.
>>29467248
Why are there so many arseholes on /k/?
>>29470496
How do you think Argentina bombed the royal navy? an invisible gaucho aircraftcarrier?
>>29474843
1000 years of technological advancent at current levels makes that a non issue.
>>29468707
The J-11 are great aircraft.
I'm not sure what variant was doing that stint but the modern J-11 aircraft are quite superior to the Russians SUs.
>>29474843
Pretty sure the USA is beating China quite comfortable in that retard - although outsourced most of its heavy industry to Asia.
basically they are the Harbor freight tools
work fine for a few weeks
but if ur serious, you acually need a good tool
>>29475435
>One of the most elegant control surfaces in aerodynamics.
>Canards
>Fucking canards
>Not elevons
>Not decelerons/split rudders
>Not the double-slotted fowler flap
>Fucking CANARDS
Nigger, you may as well have said wing warping.
>>29468707
>I dont know whether you are aware that flying a close by barrel roll only a dozen meters away from another plane is serious business and requires you to have engines and FBW and pilots that can actually reliably pull off this shit?
Pic related, your argument is invalid.
>>29475526
>greentext
>>29475526
Here's your (you)
>>29475504
>Pretty sure the USA is beating China quite comfortable in that (regard)
Actually no, china is the world's largest polluter by a long shot.
>>29475906
China produces twice so much carbon dioxide emissions as the USA but it also does have a several times larger population of the USA.
>>29475929
Yes, but all that really matters is overall emissions. Percapita is pointless in this regard. Furthermore china does a ton more non vehicle related emissions, related to industry that other western nations have severely reduced or banned.
>>29475973
Well, you can't complain that a country more populated than most continents has a higher output than a 300 million country.
It also ignores that China is market leader in renewable energy, trying to reduce emissions etc..
While the USA and Europe basically archived the reduction of emmisions mainly with outsourcing their dirty and energy intensive industries to countries like China and other countries in Asia.
And then still the USA isn't even close at being so efficient in that regard as the EU at least but is the second worst offender in the world.
Well, export heavy nations like China or Germany and Japan have the problem that they get "blamed" for the emmisions when in reality it isn't really about producing but consumption.
Outsourcing your industry (general to countries with lower industry standards) and then blame countries with industry that they are destroying the world while buying a new iPhone every year is sure something.
>>29476158
Of course trying to make such a emissions per comsumed energy kind of statistics would put the import heavy USA even at a worse light.
>>29468723
>The aircraft is powered by the AL-31FN M1;[46] one unit was flown with a WS-10A in July 2011 but that engine was not selected for the initial production batch.[47]
Piss off, gook shill. Gook engines are so shit not even gooks themselves want them.
>>29476077
>Well, you can't complain that a country more populated than most continents has a higher output than a 300 million country.
Sure you can, as its total emissions that matter.
Furthermore, as i said, china has far less stringent controls on non co2 pollution.
>>29476267
>Sure you can, as its total emissions that matter.
Well, you can do a lot of things. It doesn't lead to a meaningful discussion.
A Chinese worker can't be several times more efficient than an American, EU or Japanese worker just to compensate the fact that China has a larger population than all the just named countries together.
>>29476275
Except china does not have as many vehicles as the us, not by a long shot.
The us has 802 vehicles per people...china has 128.
Per capita is pointless when a large subsection is not contibuting at all.
As china grows, and increases its middle class, the total and per capita will rise significantly.
>>29476328
Nor is the USA in charge of 50% of the world wide steel production.
You can't deny a growing country like China the same standard of living like other industry nations, espencially if the USA has the worst environment standards of all industry nations.
>>29475542
How about you post something that isn't clearly photoshopped you dumb nigger.
Traffic is less than 20% in industry nations. It's a significant factor but not that dealbreaking.
Also another field where the USA is negative world leader, and only state states like Monaco, San Marino have a higher vehicles by capita ratio than the USA.
>>29468180
retard
>environment related things
>USA having the moral highground
no
>>29476416
>Nor is the USA in charge of 50% of the world wide steel production.
Nor is steel inherently polluting, its just much more expensive to do it cleanly, hence why china has 50% of the worlds steel production due to it being quick, dirty, and cheap.
>>29476451
>compared to china
Yes
>>29468707
>A Chinese aircraft did a barrel roll once, therefore chinese engines are reliable.
No.
It requires you to copy technology from the Russians, and that's about it.
the real question is
which toilet is worst,china or india?
>>29476077
>While the USA and Europe basically archived the reduction of emmisions mainly with outsourcing their dirty and energy intensive industries to countries like China and other countries in Asia.
Reminder that if that manufacturing was still in the states that pollution wouldn't be happening because of EPA regulations.
>>29476760
Russians can't even manage a production engine for the PAK-FA, and the Indiains were sweating bullets over FOD when they took their Su-30MKIs to red flag.
>>29476451
>argues against massive amount of scientific data because his favorite politicians tell him to
>>29476823
But they aren't.
But most of the energy heavy industries are outsourced to Asia now, while the consumption of such goods of course still happens in the USA.
>>29467241
>a country without even a domestic automotive industry let alone aeronautics industry
they have both of those things...
china has a space station and landed a probe on the moon. it's not the 1950's anymore.
>>29476892
The USA has a trading deficit of over 700 billion dollars.
With other words the USA doesn't take responsibility for the enviroment impact of most of its consumed energy heavy goods.
>>29476828
Chinese cant make production engines for the j-20. Kettle meet pot.
>>29476920
The probe didn't make 1/3rd its expected life...
>>29476973
HEY
WHAT IF WE STOPPED TRADING
WHAT THEN
>>29477020
>these industries do not exist!
>yes they do
>they don't count though!
get the fuck out of here, autismo
>>29468665
That just shows Chinese pilots have zero discipline and think dick waving is more important than not going home in box.
The last guy to do that crashed into a P-3 moving into a straight line and died.
But then again, considering how much of an intelligence coup that was to the Chinese, they probably encourage their pilots to "accidentally" crash into a P-8 and steal that stuff as well.
>>29477027
The most effective way to handle things is introducing a tax based on the enviroment impact of the production of the goods.
All the enviroment protection stuff wouldn't hurt the competitiveness of the own industry but quite the opposite, so we would see more products produced in the USA again.
But of course something like that will never happen.
>>29477011
I'm saying they're both garbage
>>29468707
american pilots learn how to do a lag roll around another aircraft with their basic trainers.
you're either completely misinformed, a troll, or an idiot.
>>29475526
>canard hate
Isn't a F-22 from the back sporting a huge ass "canard"?
So much for all that jagged design of the thrust vectoring nozzle.
>>29477230
You mean the twintail design?
>>29477058
You are insane if you think the crew just landed without takeing the perverbial hammer to everything.
>>29477044
Oh,im not that guy. Just saying, talking up chinese industry with a failure is kinda a shitty way to do it.
>>29477270
they did, but they also said they weren't nearly as through as they would have liked.
It's a known fact that the Chinese walked out of this with a huge intelligence coup at the tiny cost of a pilot and a Mig-23 tier interceptor.
>>29467397
Some cars are total shit, but many of their cars are lawsuit worthy knock offs of other company's cars, so they just can't be sold elsewhere. That said, the Volvo S80 is Chinese made now, so you actually may see some Chinese built vehicles on the road without knowing it.
>>29468633
>not even comparing the same tests
>canard
>delta wings with leading-edge extension to reduce the toal size of the wings
>length to wide ratio
Is this supposed to be a supersonic rape machine?
>>29477248
no I mean the stabilator
>>29470800
Not to shill too hard but Argentinian pilots performed magnificently in 1982, flying entire strikes against the Royal Navy something 5 meters from the waves the entire time. If you look up the videos of their strafing runs its pretty hair raising.
>>29467241
They are really good actually. Some might say they are impressive.
They are more advance in technologiesM+44
They are vy strict and focus a lot on military power. That's is what makes a powerful country or military!M+44
Don't forget, Chinese were the ones who made gunpowder in the first place. Other nations should be thankful that China let others have the military they have now. Every soldier should have a gun, and China INVENTED GUNS.
Before you think "China is weak" of other BS, think about if China never exported it's gunpowder. Only China's army would have guns then. Everyone else would have bows and arrows and swords, while we would be shooting the crap out of you.
China does NOT have a paper army and their weapons do NOT fall apart. Those who claim they do are ignorant a-holes. China is the greatest Asian power, and will become a global military superpower among Russia and USA. They are way ahead of Japan economically now, and on the brink of surpassing USA as the economic superpower.M+8
China military more powerful than India
>>29467241
Posting in le epic bait thread
>>29477290
>they did, but they also said they weren't nearly as through as they would have liked.
The military stated that at the time there was no real standards in place for getting rid of classified stuff in an emergency, but lets be real here, you give a soilder 3 hours and a hammer and there wont be much left. Plane sat on the tarmac for awhile.
>It's a known fact that the Chinese walked out of this with a huge intelligence coup
Chinese said they did, us said they didnt, both are expected responses.
Due to the above, and complete lack of actual proof, i dont see it happening.
>>29477457
>>29477491
>you give a soilder 3 hours and a hammer and there wont be much left.
What makes you think this again?
>>29475973
If we're trying to play the blame game then per capita emissions matter.
You're also forgetting about cumulative emissions. China only recently overtook America in 2005.
Finally, we need to use trade weighted CO2 emissions. You can't just import everything and say "hey I'm producing no CO2 so that makes me the good guy!"
>>29476222
>2011
Nigga the J-20 prototype's first flight was that year. I'd expect the Chinese to have made some progress.
The J-17's flew in the 2015 Paris airshow with WS-10's.
>>29476733
Holy shit this is retarded
>>29476739
Pic related is cumulative CO2 emissions since 1970. America is the worst offender by far.
>>29477020
Source required.
Either way your point is completely unrelated.
>>29477522
Becuase i can kill about any computer and render it completely unreadable in about 3 mins.
You cant put back together a platter drive if you dust it.
>>29477588
If it does not matter why would i go though the effort of giving you a lmgtfy link?
>>29477609
Then fuck off. You provide neither a source nor a related claim.
What you do provide, is a shitpost.
>>29477578
I like how that chart starts before China ramped up its industry.
>>29475472
Why are there so many moronic shitstains like you on /k/?
>>29477625
You litterally said it didnt matter.
To you, no matter what i do is a shitpost, so why try to appease you, oh great one
>>29477578
>That UAE per capita emissions.
What the fuck lol.
>>29477578
>3 years old
China passed the us last year.
So, china is the worst offender by far?
>>29477538
>You're also forgetting about cumulative emissions. China only recently overtook America in 2005.
Because reaching back to the 70's lets you hide other countries cutting back on emissions while China greatly increases theirs.
>>29477672
I said that either way, if the lander shitted its asshole sideways to sunday or if it performed admirably, does not change what this anon posted>>29476920
Here's your response in case you forgot>>29477020
Your response is completely unrelated to the issue at hand. It's just meant to disparage and change the subject.
THAT is a shitpost.
>>29477650
Okay?? Why does this matter?
>>29477674
Deserts tend to need air conditioning. Same for tundras.
Also, rich countries use a lot of energy. Just look at America.
>>29477694
Source required.
This is cumulative 1970-2013 mi amigo. They don't even have stats for 2015 yet.
>>29477710
Wait, so you are telling me you took that anons hyperbole literally?
Autisim speaks.
>>29477700
Nigga US emissions peaked in 2005-2006.
What is it hiding? This simply shows that Americans have produced WAY more CO2 since 1970 than Chinese.
This also leaves out the fact China has 4.2x the population. But everyone here says that somehow that doesn't matter, so I used cumulative emissions.
>>29477722
>source required
Here you go famalam.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKL5N0XA1JD20150413?irpc=932
>>29477726
Which hyperbole?
There was no hyperbole in any of the posts I linked. Only facts in the first post and a completely unrelated shitpost that said "It only lasted 1/3 the time" in another.
>>29468510
I'll go further. Capialism wasn't the reality for most of mankind in most of its history. When European countries had laws only alowing aristocrats to own land it wasn't capitalism. Hunter gatherers with barter economies aren't capitalists. Capitalism isn't the just use of money or private ownership.
Capitalism really started as a major force with european colonization.
>>29477750
>Which hyperbole?
No aeronautics industry/automobile industry, when china has domestic products of both.
The fact i gotta spell it out for you says alot.
Autistim....autisim never changes.
>>29477742
Did you not read your source?
1990 != 1970
The influx of Chinese shills is staggering.
>>29477767
>talking about 1970s
Lol who cares, thats before people knew their dicks from there asses about co2 pollution.
Might as well go back to the 1800s,thats about as relevent.
>>29477763
Nigga I never linked that post and not once did I bring up it. I'm talking about the response here>>29477020
to this post>>29476920
Are you autistic?
>>29477777
Quints confirm, begin the madfag summoning rituals.
>>29477792
>Nigga I never linked that post
Oh, so the OP is irrelevent now?
>>29477792
The response to that post had the link in question, you retard
>>29477783
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu
It was well known in the scientific community in the 1970's. In 1976 this man produced the seminal piece on Global Warming and launched the whole "movement".
>>29477813
I didn't mention OP once, so no.
>>29477827
That doesn't matter. I greentexted exactly what was the issue. Not once did I bring up OP or discuss that issue.
I'm done talking with shitposters
>>29477833
It was a theory in the 70s and gained credit in the 80s, but it was the 90s after enough data was brought in before it was scientifically accepted.
>>29475929
CO2 is by far one of the more benign pollutants. Aside from working as a greenhouse gas it isn't harmful at all.
Let's talk about nox, particulates, benzene, and other directly damaging hazards
>>29477839
The issue you greentexted is directly related to the op, you idiot.
>IM DONE LEL
Thank god.
>>29477839
>I didn't mention OP once, so no.
I also neglected to meantion you are a fish too, yet here we are.
>>29477738
>Nigga US emissions peaked in 2005-2006.
Which was also around the time China passed the US.
>What is it hiding? This simply shows that Americans have produced WAY more CO2 since 1970 than Chinese.
It is hiding the fact that China has greatly surpassed Western nations output in the last decade.
>This also leaves out the fact China has 4.2x the population. But everyone here says that somehow that doesn't matter, so I used cumulative emissions.
And now China produces nearly twice as much CO2 as the US, with the gap growing yearly. At this pace China is going to quickly surpass the US in cumulative emissions since the 1970's.
>>29474197
This. My brother and I both work for decent sized auto suppliers here in the states, my uncle is an executive at another large supplier, and my father is an engineer at one of the big three. We ALL have similar stories about working with Chinese automakers. Their products are universally cheap stylistic "copies" with horribad transmission/drivetrains, extremely poor long term reliability, and India-tier safety measures. Chinese engineers are the same as Chinese students were when I was in college; they focus on producing work that looks convincingly good at first glance, with no focus on how it actually performs.
>>29474377
>stolen USAF technology
ayy
>>29477993
>several times larger country
>only nearly twice as much as the USA
Impressive
>>29478330
>intentionally ignoring growth trends
>>29478359
>ignoring basic facts
Even if China archive the efficiency of the EU countries or Japan. They will still output more CO2 than anyone else together in the first world because the country is just that big.
Doesn't change the fact that the USA is the worst offender although having the money and know-how to at least European or Japanse efficiency. Instead of being the worst in the total and/or per capita rankings.
>>29468195
goddammit stop posting this shop
