>Number of British Civilians killed by bombing in the ENTIRE WAR
>60,595 dead
>Number of German Civilians killed in the SINGLE NIGHT of the bombing of Dresden
>25,000 dead
Guess which side DIDN'T have criminals charged with crimes against humanity during the post-WWII trials?
Americans.
>>29458156
Yes, and British
>>29458144
The side that won? We get it, anon. Charging war criminals is usually a political act rather than a judicial one.
>>29458144
Might makes right
>>29458144
Guess who gives a fuck right now.
>>29458144
the nazis weren't charged for the bombing of civillian cities.
In fact, they made a huge deal about only charging the nazis for the things the allied didn't do. Things like extermination camps, einsatzkommando, the commando order.
>>29458144
Well, nobody from Germany was convicted for areal bombardment. Under no law at the time did bombing a city with AA-defences and wartime production count as a war crime, nomatter how bad it was morally
>>29458144
>charred aryan goddess
Would still fugg.
>>29458144
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Nobody got in trouble for bombing cities though.
Dresden by Moonlight is one of my favourite paintings and one of the best illustrations and uses of moonlight, which is my thing in paintings. It's a shame that cityscape was basically burned to fuck and blown down.
But still, cry more babby everybody bombed nonmilitary targets and fucked up the enemy citizens. It was total war not your army vs mine.
>>29458144
Well yeah, but how else would we have found out about fire tornadoes?
How the fuck does she still have hair?
>>29458397
My guess is that somehow her body was exposed to intense heat, but not direct flames
>>29458144
This only works as an argument as long as Germans were tried for bombing British civilians.
They weren't.
>>29458144
It was the ANGLO BLOOD trying to kill all Aryans. But those beady fools will never succeed
>The first German warcrimes happened on September 2nd, 1939
>"ALLIES ARE WAR CRIMINALS DRESDEN WAS THE WORST ATTROCITY COMMITED HOLOCAUST IS FAKE YOU BELIEVE THE GOYIM GERMANS WERE REPRESSED PLS WERE THE GOOD GUYS REEEEEE"
Off yourself stormfag, you reap what you sow.
Oh no
>>29458517
>It's okay to kill a woman for something she didn't do
>>29458547
But its okay to massacre Poles who didnt do anything?
>>29458558
>Evil Justifies Evil
Again, do you believe the woman in OP personally killed poles?
>>29458517
hang yourself slavaboo
>>29458547
>it's okay to muder the French
>it's okay to murder Slavic farmers
>>29458177
>extermination camps
>victims that live for years there without any skills that might justified them being alive
>>29458569
In war, you do everything necessary to destroy your opponent. That is the ONLY goal. If civilians perish, too fucking bad. Rid yourself of this post-modern idea that wars ought to be fought with civility.
>>29458570
Don't need to be a slavaboo to recognize conspiracy bullshit
>>29458588
I hope you realize the UN would call for your imprisonment if you were ever put in charge of a military force
>>29458569
It does, Germans deserved it. Doesnt feel good does it? Having innocent people slaughtered for no reason other than its war.
>>29458570
Spelt Finnish wrong, stormcuck.
>>29458605
>[An Entire Group of People] deserved it
I hope you realize you're no different from the Nazis
>>29458602
Depending on your perspective the UN is either the embodiment of post-modern limp-wristed international politics, or it's a body designed to protect the interests of the world's great powers (which of course means prosecuting lesser nations for crimes the greater ones will happily commit). Regardless, the bleeding hearts of the UN do not get to redefine war to suit their purposes. War is and will always be a vile experience for someone. The goal is to make it the other guy.
>>29458569
What the US and the UK did at Dresden was fucked up, but if you are going to sit there in your mom's basement and have the audacity to believe the Germans gave no reason for war crimes against them, you're fucking retarded and delusional.
Consider killing yourself.
>>29458620
>War is and will always be a vile experience for someone. The goal is to make it the other guy.
And you believe it acceptable for that "other guy" to be a woman who has never picked up a rifle, never worked in a military factory, and simply tried to feed her children by running her cafe from day to day?
>>29458635
>Killing civilians is okay as long as they belong to a nationality I don't like
You're literally a nazi
>>29458614
I know. But thats how it has to be.
>>29458638
I'm sure as fuck not going to lose any sleep over what happens to the enemy's woman. Actually, in older wars we'd rape them, which is a very useful reproductive strategy, so obliterating cities and slaughtering all the women via aerial superiority might actually be less desirable from that perspective, but since it gets the war won faster I'm happy to give up a little rape.
>>29458588
>Rid yourself of this post-modern idea that wars ought to be fought with civility.
It is not about civility but professionalism. Obviously, professionalism does not allow to kill people left and right just because you can, or because you have some sort of obscure plan in your head that might or might not work. Similarly, you can't chase revenge or let your emotions like arrogance, anger and desperation guide you.
The terror bombings were simply unprofessional. No wonder they did not work.
>>29458661
We can discuss the viability of various tactics, of course, but at no point should sympathy for the enemy or their people be considered.
>>29458669
Yes, that's why America is winning in Iraq and Afghanistan, because they don't care about the civilians there
>>29458669
this desu
>>29458684
Actually, we won the fuck out of both of those wars. The problem is we then tried to make stable societies out of the detritus of those countries, which was an idiotic idea. We could've just glassed the fucking place and wiped our hands of the whole affair but noooo, somehow raghead societies are valuable to us.
>>29458669
>at no point should sympathy for the enemy or their people be considered
Of course, but you generally have no reason to be cruel with them either.
If you lose sight of this then you are no longer a soldier, but a simple murderer - and soldiers win wars, not murderers.
>>29458696
>Actually, we won the fuck out of both of those wars
This is what Americans actually believe
>>29458726
Apathy isn't cruelty. That said, cruelty can be tactically applied.
>>29458731
We did. We outright won the actual war parts. You know, the bits where we shoot at the guys until they fall over and we take their cities and all that? Arabs are notoriously shit at that, we're pretty good at it.
>>29458144
Guess which side started said war? Guess who gives a shit? Guess the side that started the war also committed crimes against humanity and that was what the trials were about.
Guess op is a giant fag.
>>29458684
A gross over simplification that ignores numerous other variables.
In other words, B8.
>>29458743
>It's okay to kill women who had literally no say in whether their nation went to war or not
Nazi
>>29458646
>Oh shit, I'm losing an argument on the internet!
Ad hominem/10
>>29458789
You believe it alright to kill civilians as long as they belong to a nationality you don't like?
>>29458740
>That said, cruelty can be tactically applied.
It can be, but it is always a bad idea. Cruelty morally compromises both sides and eventually leads to all sorts of unwanted long-term effects that can fuck up strategic or future tactical plans big time. You generally don't want to give your enemy the sense that they are morally above you, neither do you want to make your soldiers feel like they are morally below the enemy.
>>29458558
>Poles dindu nuffin
Honestly every side of the war did fucked up shit and only some paid, while the poles were victim they aren't as innocent as you believe.
>>29458798
No, but the Germans did.
>>29458144
>Guess which side DIDN'T have criminals charged with crimes against humanity during the post-WWII trials?
The winning side, bitch.
>Germany bombs population centers
>Japan bombs population centers
>US bombs population centers
>Britain bombs population centers
>there are people here who still don't know war is hell
>>29458144
Strategic war targets vs deliberately targeting civilians.
Dresden had over 100 factories and workshops plus it's railroad hub.
>>29458397
>>29458415
Prob died by a thermobaric effect.. basically had the oxygen sucked out of her by the fire tornado
>>29458349
As opposed to Dresden by Firelight?
>>29458144
Sucks to loose.
Perhaps you have heard of a saying we have here in America.
>if he pulls a knife, you pull a gun
>if he puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue
In more technical terms, always respond with overwhelming and disproportionate retaliation. It tends to discourage future unwanted behavior. In short, If you don't want none, don't bring none.
einfach mal die Fresse halten und sterben gehen Scheisskrauts
>>29458638
You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it.
>>29459176
I believe the western world already has, murderer
>>29458144
Neither side was subject to war crimes accusations with regards to the air campaign thanks to Admiral Donitz going on trial for engaging in unrestricted submarine warfare, only to end up getting defended by Admiral Nimitz, who stated not only did he do the same thing to the Japs, he did it even more terrible.
When it became clear that it would be embarrassing to essentially hang men for the same thing that they themselves were doing at a larger scale, the Allied nations withdrew charges against Luftwaffe generals and only focused on Heer and SS based ground atrocities.
>>29459196
I don't get your angle here, every major power during the war bombed civilian targets. All civilian targets are valuable assets during a war because they greatly affect the logistical side of a country's ability to wage war as you are going to compromise manufacturing, agriculture, and infrastructure. You are also going to impact popular support of the war which can lead to it ending sooner.
When you start a war you are committing your entire country to the effort whether your realize it or not, and I can guarantee all the countries involved in WW2 knew what they were getting into. Strategic bombing and the like wasn't considered a war crime, it was just considered war.
>>29459196
Empires are rarely kind. Germany had its chance at Empire and failed. Crying tears about how they failed is the tactic of children and old women. The U.S. is the inheritor of Old Europe's warrior culture, one born of a millennia of depredations, invasion and internal struggle that resulted in a half dozen world spanning empires. Europe has lost its way, but America is finding ours again. You only cry because it is not you, but us, inflicting cruelty. You would if you could.
What is best in life?
To crush your enemies
See them driven before you
To hear the lamentation of the women
>>29458144
Might makes right man just look at the shit they did to the Irish and got away with it. Britain and America play by their own rules and wonder why some people dont like them
>>29459410
>muh germony did nothing wrong
>>29459258
Not to mention that the whole "crimes against humanity"-thing doesn't work retroactively. When it came to areal bombardment, the "rules" were so loosely defined that any town with some kind of AA-defense and some wartime production fell under the whole "legitimitet target"-thing.
>>29458144
Fuck off Dwayne.
>>29459551
Let's also not forget Germany's entire rocketry program was based around the idea of hitting civilian targets and did so completely indiscriminately. They would have bombed the fuck out of Britain had they not completely shut them out with the RAF.
>>29459410
I can assure you no American or Britain has ever wondered why people have disliked them for they already knew the answer.
Jealousy.
>>29459566
and the only post-war trails was with regards to the usage of slave-labor and death camps during the construction, not the usage of the weapons...
>launch V1/V2's at London to kill civilians when theres Allied troops in France
>Cry about Dresden
Hitler and the rest of that pathetic shitheap excuse of a government sunk Dresden, not the Allies. He put every German civilian at risk because he couldnt into not having autistic fits to destroy London.
As one anon already said, you reap what you sow. Its hard to feel bad for Dresden.
Why is everyone talking about "civilized" war as late 20th century invention when 18th and 19th century european wars tried to be as civilized as possible? Of course during the colonization wars they didn't give a fuck about the tribemen but those wouldn't give them quarter anyways.
Also losing a war is not the end of a country and most of the time there is no need to do distasteful and unelegant things like killing civilians.
>might makes right
No, right makes might.
>>29458586
>the holocaust didnt happen
Literally tinfoil tier, please tell me how the moon is also a hologram
Then explain to me where the prewar jews went, and the photographic evidence
>>29458669
The fucking edge
>>29458586
you know the extermination camps were only operational from 1943 to 1945, right?
nevermind, you're just a holocaust denier, and your opinion doesn't matter.
I'm just happy very few people know about Canada's war crimes in both world wars
>they still think we're nice guys
>laughingmoose.jpg
>>29458144
>Nazis dindu nuffin! Dey wuz gud bois.
Nazis were the hood rats of their time. You nailed it, OP.
>>29459978
>right makes might.
no, might makes might.
All the moral high ground in the world won't win a war if you're outnumbered and outgunned.
>>29458638
Yes, it is acceptable. That was the risk the other guy accepted when he started shit. Don't like it? Don't start shit. That way, your women don't get dragged out into the streets of your capital and gang raped in the gutter. Which, incidentally, still happens to this day. It's like NatSoc is the ultimate in geopolitical cuckoldry. The only legacy they can leave for their descendants is calloused knees and no gag reflex.
>>29458144
Bomber Harris a best
>>29458144
Guess who lost the war?
>>29458349
>Dresden by Moonlight
mine too
>>29458144
Guess they shouldn't have started it then.
You bomb London, London bombs you back, it seems.
>>29459119
I suppose it does suck to be loose, tell us about that sometime.
But on the subject of losing, the reason the Germans were so easy to rally into the second World War was because of the treatment by the allies to them post WWI.
I hate Nazis, like, I really do, but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
>also dat edge
>>29458144
>abloo bloo bloo we bombed london and they bombed us back harder abloo bloo bloo
fuck off.
>>29458144
Who cares, though. It was only FUCKING WHITE MALES that were victims of the Dresden bombings. So what if 25,000 WHITE MEN died in those bombings? 25,000 BLACK MEN are killed every single day within the US from GUN violence. But since you are most likely a FUCKING WHITE MALE you wouldn't understand.
>>29458144
How many innocent women did the Germans kill?
>>29461162
Eileen Bauer sounds like someone who could be the head of Moms Demand Cucks
>>29458144
CHAT
>>29458144
who cares
>>29458547
t. wehraboo
:^)
>>29461145
>>29461373
Actually I changed my mind, I agree with this.
>>29458144
Stay mad, krautaboo.
: ^ )
>>29459196
Rebel fag boi detected.
I have no tears for German, Japanese, or Russian war dead.
Those people helped produce three of the most murderous states in history.
When the guilty go unpunished the innocent must suffer.
>>29458761
>had no say in going to war.
The German people elected the NSDAP, and proceeded to let those jackboots disarm them and forge a totalitarian government.
Political laziness is never an excuse for a runaway govt doing whatever the fuck it wants. If they wanted to avoid WW2, they shouldn't have let the Nazis get that far.
>>29458144
Rome destroyed Carthage and scattered it to the winds. Our schoolchildren learn a shit ton about Rome, and the only thing they really learn about Carthage is that Rome destroyed it. The Roman empire lasted for an incredibly long time, Carthage much less so.
"You have to be kind to your enemies" is an idea that was no doubt concocted by someone who was on the losing end of a war for survival, in the vain hopes that their betters would not take the proper course of action earned through brute superiority. The world would be much more peaceful if we'd just embrace our drive towards war. Think on this: more people have died from second, third and fourth conflicts between the same set of foes than would have died if the first fight had just ended in total victory and extermination of one side.
>>29458144
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, so long as it flows.
Seriously, it's war. There's no right or wrong just a victor and a body count.
>>29458586
Fucking christ here we go.
>>29461162
So if it was white people killing 25,000 whites it's ok.
And you question why we don't care about blacks. Cause we're not the ones killing them.
Black live matter is the biggest joke in American history.
At least the injuns can claim we killed them.
You kill yourselves and expect us to feel sorry about it.
>>29458144
>>29458558
>>29458571
>>29458588
>>29458605
>>29458652
>I know. But that's how it has to be.
No. It doesn't. That's what you're not getting, Germany was already losing the war and Dresden's bombing for the sake of bombing did absolutely nothing other than kill civilians. Any way you slice it the bombing(s) were wrong, Dresden and other firebombings of civilian cities were just pointless slaughter. If anything it made the Germans start executing downed airmen when they would have otherwise put them in prison.
That's why attacks on civilian populations are a bullshit tactic, it didn't have the intended effect and only peripherally affected the war effort by making Germany try and defend themselves from what was low-level genocide. There are three times in WWII where bombing the living piss out of a city got the defenders to give up: Rotterdam, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima.
Three bombings on three cities out of a list of hundreds with thousands of attempts.
>>29458586
Pic related.
>>29459242
>Neither side was subject to war crimes accusations with regards to the air campaign thanks to Admiral Donitz going on trial for engaging in unrestricted submarine warfare, only to end up getting defended by Admiral Nimitz, who stated not only did he do the same thing to the Japs, he did it even more terrible.
/thread basically, the British really wanted to hang lots of Luftwaffe officers, but when Nimitz went to bat for Donitz it shook a lot of shit up.
That said the Allies didn't have extermination camps, so there were serious, serious crimes against humanity on Germany's side. Nobody should be trying to defend that.
>>29458661
I agree. However at the time there was a professional opinion that mass strategic bombing might be able to win wars without the use of large scale ground troops. (Something thats isn't true, now or then)
After the trauma of the first war churchill was keen to avoid casualties were at all possible, so such theories where very attractive.
The amount of resources spent on bomber command was truly ridiculous. It probably would have been better utilised creating stronger tactical airforces and a better equipped army. Could probably have brought the date of d day back by at least a year.
>>29458879
They burned the reichstag! :^)
>>29459307
America isn't a warrior culture. It's a nation or merchants and engineers who are prepared to use violance.
US troops ars not that special. But with huge wealth and a tech advantage 15 years ahead you don't need to be
Why does everyone here have a name?
>number of wars won by the UK since the 20th century: 4
>number of wars won by the Germans since the 20th century: 0
>>29462129
You tell me, Damon.
>>29459176
war is atrocity committed in the name of survival
[spoilers]sometimes survival can be replace with other words for instance "justice"[/spoilers]
>>29462255
i want to blow my brains out on my old high school campus every time i fuck up spoilers
does anyone have that image of a German women taking multiple US blowjobs for a pack of cigarettes
>>29458144
the winners take the spoils pal
>>29458144
Sounds like Britain deserves what it's getting
>>29462139
it's not that hard to win wars with the location of the uk and their strategies
>>29462311
well played, crossthreader. well played
>>29461162
25,000 every day?! Omigod, that's over 9 million per year! Why isn't somebody doing something?!
>>29458586
wew lad
>>29458144
And america killed ~100,000 japs the night they firebombed Tokyo.
>>29461098
>desire to have been a luft waffle pilot intensifies
>>29461098
When you Dresden and your mix tape is fire.
How many citizens of the soviet union did germany kill?
the answer is a very large number
this is such a shit thread
>>29459011
>Dresden had over 100 factories and workshops plus it's railroad hub.
This. I get fucking tired of all the self-hating libshits that whine about Dresden. It was the last major industrial center the Germans had, completely wiping it off the map was the quickest way to shut them down.
>WAAH, INNOCENTS DIED!
Then they should have gotten the fuck out of Germany when the war started. Civilians paying the price for their government's actions? THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
I swear I lose all respect for people the moment they bring up Dresden and try to say it was a bad thing.
>>29458144
Vae victis motherfucker.
>>29458144
Well.... they started it.
I finished it.
Fuck off Wehrbooo.
>>29463988
>Wood and fire
>Shit firefighting and evacuation procedures.
There was some collateral damage.
>>29459196
Yes, be a liberal and join you fellow degenerates.
#FeelTheBurn
