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What went wrong?
>>29433922
who knows, something's fishy around its cancellation, i'll tell you that
it melts
The improvements are not significant enough to justify spending the money to introduce a new service rifle
Non-STANAG mags and melting problems for starters.
By the time they fixed those, it was too late. No point in replacing the AR out of service when there isn't much out there that does a better job.
>>29433933
Seems like a minor problem that can easily be fixed. Polymer is the future deal with
>>29433922
isis somehow got ahold of them. some guy in a random vid had one.
>>29433922
whats the point of a plastic gun if you don't keep the plastic to a minimum.
you only need a metal reciever and barrel, then the bare minimum of plastic furniture to keep it together, what is the point of using materials with reduced weight when you load it up with pointless furniture anyway.
Somehow the idea that a rifle needs decoration is stuck in the mind of weapon designers.
>>29433922
Swam away.
>>29434102
>>29433962
SAUCE
>>29434105
I've been waiting to see that clip with that filename for much too long anon
>melts
warps
>>29433922
>>29433922
It was slightly better than the current service rifles of US military but not so much better that it would have been worth the cost and trouble of replacing the old weapons and teaching everyone to use new guns.
The "melting" bit was exaggerated and would have been fixed with little trouble.
What went wrong?
>>29433962
Gonna need to see some proofs
>>29433922
I heard it was something to do with the price point being too high to justify the purchases and transitions.
Nothing, it was just too expensive.
>>29434207
For starters, it wasn't big enough.
>>29434168
>>super vibrate
>>29433922
Because the AR platform works fine. It's basically future proof being able to be constantly upgraded without requiring major changes to existing training program or extensive conversion courses for existing members.
>>29434452
>tumblr
>>29433922
Based Ian addressed this in his lated Q&A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dV1ckynGEc
>>29433922
I believe the gun was canceled due to political issues. I recall having read one or more articles talking about it; would encourage you to google it.
>>29434168
>most the gun of the stick
>>29435196
has anyone here done the SL8 conversion yet? I think it'd be a cool snowflake gun to take to the range. are you restricted to 20rd mags?
>>29435360
didn't mean to respond to that post btw
>captcha
>>29435360
No, the guy that does it, Tommy Tactical or whatever, offers an option in the conversion to use regular G36 mags.
I will eventually get one of these, though. I've wanted one ever since I played MGS4.
the real reason was because it was significantly more expensive than the M16 and offered little benefit to warrant replacing the entire armed forces and having to retrain them.
>>29435504
It wasn't more expensive.
XM8 used different mags and could not accept the optics or grips or grenade launchers or any of the spare parts for the M16 platform they had lying around. Replacing the M16/M4 with the XM8 would mean everything in the stock would have to be replaced too.
The XM8 had only some marginal advantages over the M16 so in the end the military decided it wasnt worth it
>>29433922
The Army literally doesn't want a better rifle.
They got their super futuristic rifle back in the 60's (and fucked up its deployment terribly)
and aren't interested in a new one.
>>29435526
It's more expensive to buy a new thing than it is to hold on to your current thing.
>>29433922
not enough rails
>>29435572
That's intentionally misleading.
>>29435553
You could make all those same arguments for the M14 being replaced by the M16.
>this was over 13 years ago
>>29435594
Wow thats a pretty good point
>>29435594
We don't throw money at the military for small upgrades like we did in the last century
>>29435553
Pretty much this, the heat problem was fixed and it still weighed less than the m16 but it wasn't made with picatinny rails in mind and the optic ran out of battery fast.
>>29435553
All this is true, H&K had a descent chance of winning but they were relentless shills. Replacing the M16 wasn't enough, they tried to pimp their entire XM8 line which included conversions to turn the gun into a PDW, LMG, and DMR. They overstepped to say the least.
>>29435622
Not on rifles, anyway.
I can think of plenty of other military spending boondoggles.
>>29434207
is this an xbox?
>>29435594
The situation was different back then though
One f the reasons is what >>29435622 stated
But there are a lot of other reasons leading up to the replacement too including but not limited to: Due in part due to the rivalry between the Joint Chiefs of staff, Pentagon, Secretary of Defense McNamara, Head of Army, and Head of the Air Force butting heads against each other wanting replace or keep the M14.
The army wanted to keep the M14 because they believed any ammo less than .308 caliber was not sufficient stoppan powah. The Air Force and some in the Pentagon was impressed by the AR15 rifle.
Another reason that pushed for the adaptation of the rifle was that the M14 was being produced at a rate too slow to meet the needs of troops in Vietnam. They thought, "why not introduce some M16 rifles to fill the gap? They can be produced faster too." or something along those lines.
There are a whole lot of other things too, but situation surrounding the replacement of the M14 with M16 is different from the situation surrounding the M16 vs XM8
>>29433922
They tried to fish out what caused the overheating problems but couldn't do it.
it was one huge cash grab by HK
the first version, that almost got adopted with out competition. had proprietary optics and magazines. the military's current inventory of optics, lights, lasers, magazines, etc;could not be used on it.
then there was the whole modular bullshit. they wanted the same basic receiver and other parts, to build a DMR, LMG, rifle, carbine, and PDW.
did nothing better than the M16A4 and M4A1.
>>29434207
>oicw
>goat gun in delta force land warrior
Pick both.
>>29435594
Indeed. And if it wasn't for McNamara the Army top brass would never have adopted the M16.
>>29434207
>giving a gun that probably costs several thousand dollars to make to some stupid 18 year old kid who left home because he didn't like his daddy's rules.
>>29433922
The FN SCAR won the contract thats what happend
>>29435787
>delta force land warrior
Ugh, that game was fucking horrible, much worse than Delta Force 2. They even used 2D sprites instead of 3D models for first person view guns in DFLW.
>>29435594
There was quite a difference going from a battle rifle to a modern and lightweight assault rifle. Exchanging a 5.56mm assault rifle for another 5.56mm assault rifle, rifle that offers marginally more features, is pretty much useless. It is safe to assume that no new assault rifle will ever be adopted unless a completely new technology shows up.
>>29436689
Nah, it won't. The problem is how the procurement system has changed into the dysfunctional shit it is now. New technology has shown up all along. But the procurement defines what it wants as if it could force inventions that way and, at the same time, overlooks the new technologies on the market because of a "lack of requirement". Which is why we're stuck with technology that's half a century old.
>>29435604
>Reminder you are now old.
>What went wrong?
The US Army's competitions for New service rifles have been Catch and Release since the 70s.
>>29433922
Picatinny became a thing.
>>29435767
>the first version, that almost got adopted with out competition. had proprietary optics and magazines. the military's current inventory of optics, lights, lasers, magazines, etc;could not be used on it
Only the part about the mags is true, pic related original XM8
>>29437110
Here it is without the optic
>>29437110
The later version also had rail sections to attach things along the lines of M-Lok or Keymod, pic related
>>29436446
>implying we don't already do that
>>29435767
>then there was the whole modular bullshit. they wanted the same basic receiver and other parts, to build a DMR, LMG, rifle, carbine, and PDW
This would be more of a problem on the Army's part rather than HK or the gun. Like Ian said in his Q&A they wanted to replace things without thinking about the fact that they are in service for a reason.
>>29433956
>Seems like a minor problem that can easily be fixed.
>minor problem
A gun that melts is a BIG problem.
>>29433922
H&K
>>29435658
kek
>>29435360
>>29435487
No HK243 in the US?
>>29434142
>holding an xm-8
>while cc another in cleavage
>>29434168
>mfw I read "OWNERFUL GUN" instead of "POWERFUL GUN"
What went wrong?
>>29433922
It's so cute looking
>>29438869
NOPE, we have been getting cucked for years on that one
>>29433927
>fishy
Top kek
>>29435594
There were no optics and grenade launchers for m14. Also >>29436689
>>29434397
Don't forget having to either buy all new accessory items to mount on the fancy new points, or having to put on rail attachments that negate the weight savings of the fancy bits.
