What does /k/ think of the British Armed Forces?
>>29423579
great bunch i would join but sadly im not part of the Commonwealth
as a Murican i think the soldiers are probably pretty decent guys that are good at their jobs
their elite groups like the SAS are among the best in the world at secret squirrel stuff
i don't blame the soldiers for their govt's issues like lack of funding or a fucking ramp
>>29423579
This thread is going to be terrible.
Trolls, trolls everywhere.
The British Armed Forces is a high trained, well equip (for the most part) specialised force with limited global power projection.
Shares the same power bracket as France, though there's a difference in areas of focus. France is highly capable in some places that the UK is not, and the UK is highly capable in some places that France is not, but that's what allies are for.
>>29423645
The ramp was the best choice when you look at the wider picture.
Things nuclear power, steam catapults or EMALS would come at a serious cost with a logistical nightmare in setting up the infrastructure, training and manning for it.
Totally would have crippled the whole program.
>>29423579
I think the Conservative government has actually started to step up the game properly, with 2.1% of GDP going to the armed forces they're complying with the NATO minimum, and the new carriers, F35's, APC's and improved SA80's amongst other things are very needed improvements. It's going in the right direction.
If Jeremy Corbyn is elected next time around they're proper fucked though
plagued by a shitty government and a less than reliable rifle.
>>29423768
>>29423780
There's nothing wrong with the service rifle, excluding the stale memes around it.
L22A2 is fine.
>>29423780
Government yes, but the rifle has changed a lot since the original shit one, it's now pretty reliable.
>>29423801
It had issues. It no longer has those issues. That's what I said.
Does the SAS still use M4A1's and browning hi-powers?
>>29423841
thats nzsas
>>29423841
They have been using Canadian C8's since the 90's.
>>29423822
Sorry, your wording had me.
>improved SA80's amongst other things are very needed improvements
Can be misread.
>>29423841
Who knows, but they make use of the C-8 and I'm sure they'll happily use all the surplus Hi-Powers given everyone else is getting Glocks 17s now.
>>29423882
What's wrong with the glock 17?
>>29423841
those are nazis
new sealand navy seals team 6
>>29423910
Nothing.
But some in the special forces might have personal preferences, that's all.
Will there ever be a war between the UK military and the UK police over weapons?
Those cheeky military wankers should save a live and bin that knife
>>29423946
Normal police don't deal with military stuff, we got our own REMF (pog) military police force.
>>29423992
I can't believe you took that question seriously.
>>29424042
I knew it wasn't serious, but I might as well be factual as possible when talking about the UK when on /k/.
Good troopers, but not the Few and the Proud.
Good blokes. Only had experience with the RN and RMs
They are some raunchy fucks man made me blush.
>game of freckles m8?
>stories of "holiday" in thailand flipping through the "telly" book having a "proper" fuck with a tranny/koiboy
RN have 20 year contracts i believe?
>buddy crosstraining on ark royal sp? goes to his bunk area and sees a RN sailor getting his dick sucked by a very rought looking female.
>OI M8 YOU CANT JUST COME
BLASTING THROUGH NOW WOT
They came to our base bar one time and they all ordered philly cheese steaks because they never had one before.
Best ship names desu
>HMS Vengeance
>HMS Ark Royal
>HMS Warspite
>HMS Dreadnought
>HMS Gay Viking
>>29423579
My impression as a bong is.
Army:
>Well trained
>Budget constrained
>Strange gaps in capability caused by bad decisions (like the fact we've got no maritime patrol planes as an island nation until the P-8 is delivered.)
>Absolutely no practical need for our nuclear deterrent as a NATO member state, although it serves as a useful off the shelf penis extender for our old-man country at the UN (unless you count deterring up the French, can't trust the buggers. I'd say showing up, but France honestly put more effort into their deterrent than us.)
>>29423768
>If Jeremy Corbyn is elected
Retaking the empire is less fanciful.
>>29423579
Well trained, budget got hit hard but it's improving again, some fucking great modern kit and the older stuff all has replacements coming soon anyway.
They're back out of the ditch they had a brief detour into (As pretty much all EU countries did too) and they've been doing fucktons of work globally over the past 15 years during it too.
Still wouldn't trust them with my fucking cleaning kit though. Last time I ever make that mistake.
>>29424734
I'd hardly call second strike capability not a practical need. Both Strategic Defence and Security Reviews make a very clear case for it.
There's only 18 subs with Trident equipped and we own four of them! In relative proportions compared to most brit/yank ratios, I think that's a fairly decent representation.
Controversial opinion: If I had to make a choice between gutting the Army and keeping Trident or ditching Trident and funding the Army, I'd pick the former.
>>29423579
RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES;
BRITONS, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SHALL BE SLAVES.
RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES;
BRITONS, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SHALL BE SLAVES.
>>29424812
>Still wouldn't trust them with my fucking cleaning kit though.
Your issued cleaning kits are better than ours and you were daft enough not to chain it to yourself.
As an American, I wish we were more like the British. White American Southerners are only one step above Russians in terms of callous brutality and violence.
>>29424866
>I'd hardly call second strike capability not a practical need.
With the positions that
1. The US/NATO would almost certainly strike anyone who initiated a first strike against us
2. Nuclear is reasonably likely within the near future, the likelihood it will directly involve the UK is low. It'll probably be between something like India/Pakistan.
It's hard to see a case where we have a need. In the event we're attacked, the US/NATO could and probably would strike back for us, and in any event it's an incredibly remote possibility we will be attacked.)
>Both Strategic Defence and Security Reviews make a very clear case for it.
I've always considered their case a bit shit to be honest. If the choice is between having nukes and not having nukes, with no other factors, obviously you want nukes - but when budgets are constrained that isn't the practical choice you're faced with.
Ultimately I can't take the "We need to deter anyone" and "NATO isn't enough*" arguments very seriously. Unlike most lefty CNDers, though, I see a very good case for keeping Trident simply for global status purposes. (But you can't write that in a white paper.)
I rank the possibility that we'll need second strike capability as a deterrent (i.e. no intent to fire because it'll scare [bad guy] enough**.) let alone as a weapon (i.e. failed as a deterrent) as possibly the only thing less likely than a Corbyn premiership.
Faced with gutting the army or scrapping Trident it's possible I'd make the same decision, but ultimately I still consider it a penis extender that only exists to demonstrate we're not irrelevant yet. (And to retain skills in-case we need them later.)
*obviously i mean enough 'militarily'/deterrent value - obviously it's not enough for global status or i'd be a unilateralist.
**this is hard to check because my criteria for 'need' in that sentence is "a bad guy who'd gamble on NATO staying out of it if we were a non-nuclear state, but stay away if we had kept Trident."
>>29424812
>Still wouldn't trust them with my fucking cleaning kit though.
>>29424879
>you were daft enough not to chain it to yourself.
Sheeeeit I chuckled.
>>29423882
>I'm sure they'll happily use all the surplus Hi-Powers given everyone else is getting Glocks 17s now
They ditched their Brownings for Sigs in the 80s/90s so I doubt they'd want knackered old ones that have been used and abused by the rest of the army when they didn't really want them 20-30 years ago.
Pretty sure UKSF have been using Glocks for longer than the rest of the armed forces have too. I know there are Glock 19s in the system for SF and a couple of other roles.
My bro told me a story about his mate who worked down pub with him but did serve in some regiment
I dunno if its true or not
He was off in some sand castle off east and some americans rocked up to have a sleepover or something
Apparently they didn't clean weapons by hand but had a machine to do it and they left a truck o their guns in the room with this machine
Anyways they fuck off back into the sandpit and a few hours later my bros bud gets a radio or some shit that they left their guns and can they have them back plox
Americans send a helicopter and collect all the gunz but to say sorry they gave them a fuck tonne of gatorade
Tastes like piss but they drank it until they came home and its better than water, eh?
Probably made up but eh
>>29425208
>they actually drank the pissbottles
a bunch of bear gryllis i say so.
>>29425208
I have no fucking idea what you just said.
>>29424881
>callous brutality and violence
Some would call it efficiency.
>>29425267
>>29425267
Hey bongs what do you call the .50 cal? You call it the ma deuce ? You call it something bongy? Big Bong?
>>29425305
Most just call it the 50
>>29425305
Lads i knew called it the crumpet cos it makes walls look like crumpets
>>29425317
>motorizedrollinghams are cars
>50 cals are 50
cmon m8s.
>>29425336
thats a little better.
>>29423929
I'm assuming autocorrect fucked up on nzsas
>>29425250
>Americans come to Brit base
>Americans leave a bunch of shit behind by mistake
>Brits politely tell Americans they left stuff behind
>American chopper comes to pick up stuff
>American chopper crew apologizes and gives Gatorade as a "I'm sorry" gift
>Brits apparently thought it sucked (joke is Gatorade is used piss bottles)
>drank it anyway since they had a crate of it and figured its better than water
>>29425476
Thank you, no idea why anyone thinks that is a good dit through.
>>29423768
>If Jeremy Corbyn is elected next time around they're proper fucked though
If comrade Corbyn, the friend of Hamas, Hezbollah and other such scum, is still the leader of the opposition come the next general election I'll assassinate him myself.
Watch this space.
>>29425525
>the friend of Hamas, Hezbollah and other such scum
Labour Friends of Israel member spotted.
I had some doubt until
>I'll assassinate him myself.
>>29424881
So....where are you really from then? Fuck you.
>Stories about stealing cleaning kits
>'Used Gatorade' still better
>Crumpet 50's
>Lots of sardonic posts I can barely understand
I love you Bongs sometimes. You're all fucking nuts.
>>29423579
Shit compared to formal colonies
Bumping with some banter.
>>29423579
Too little, too late.
They're well trained and generally well equipped but are entirely too small to fulfill the role they're meant to.
Also they have a dumb looking carrier.
>>29423841
They use the syrupland M4A1 (C8), and pretty sure their standard issue is Glock 19's now (just like almost every other SOF in the world with the exception of the SEALs who have to be snowflake tier). Whether or not they actually use them is another issue, the SAS, like many SOF, get a lot of latitude on what they use.
>Army SF's official standard issue sidearm for a while was the HK mk23
>they sat in the arms room untouched because nobody wanted to carry a humongous and heavy sidearm that probably wouldn't get used, and carried M9's instead
>then they got the HK USP in 3 different calibers (9, 40, and 45)
>which was smaller but still noticeably heavier than the M9, so they still carried the M9
>finally convinced the Pentagon to let them buy their own pistols on the unit level
>bought Glock 19's
>>29425267
What, you wouldn't go a little gay for Beckham?
>>29427124
>bought Glock 19's
>mfw
Bumping with speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tHvtFibhic
anyone confirm or deny whether the septics use machines to clean their weapons?
>>29428178
>anyone confirm or deny whether the septics use machines to clean their weapons?
When I was in everyone cleaning them by hand, I left 5 years ago but this is the first I have heard of a firearm cleaning machine.
>>29427044
Hahahahahahahahahah the fuck, nigger?
I mean, unless you're counting the US as a former colony in which case fair but hahahahah
>>29428379
Man your retarded
>>29428558
Not him, but what former colony (aside from the US, even though the vast majority of what we now know as the US hadn't even been discovered in 1776) has a force projection ability that can rival the UK?
And not a theoretical, paper tiger force projection. The actual ability to take part in and sustain operations on other continents.
The closest I can think of would be Australia, maybe.
>>29428611
India South Africa just to name the few
India is risking along with SA becuse of BRICS
>>29428611
>even though the vast majority of what we now know as the US hadn't even been discovered in 1776)
the fuck?
![USAH028-H[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Kx2AhoH.gif "USAH028-H[1].gif")
>>29428611
but your wrong
