Seriously, why do people still use these pieces of shit when boresnake exist?
>rod and patches
> like cleaning your ass after a liquid shit with 1 sheet of 1 ply toliet paper
>boresnakes
>two swipes through the barrel and your gun is pristine.
>>29419017
What about the fibers getting grungy? Also it's slow as shit to use.
>>29419017
Eh, some people prefer the rod and patches.
I sometimes use both.
Different folks different strokes I guess
>>29419017
>>boresnakes
>>two swipes through the barrel and your gun is pristine.
if you shoot a significant amount of ammo between cleanings a boresnake wont clean anything
impossible to knock out any obstructions with a snake
patch and rod has its place
>>29419043
Toss it and buy a new one for 5 bucks. But you'll get ALOT of use out of it efore it needs to be tossed. Hell you can probably still use it while grungy.
>slow as shit
How? Just drop the weight down the barrel and pull through, I actually find it quicker and faster than patches.
>>29419043
>Slow as shit
As compared to what?
Bore snakes are good for in between cleaning, but don't actually remove anything other than light powder fouling... do your normal passes with the bore snake, then run a wet patch, scrub with a brush, and see what colors the patches you push are...
>he doesn't use a bore guide
Because they're not any better at cleaning, especially not if you have lead or copper fouling.
>>29419017
>two swipes through the barrel and your gun is pristine
Yeah no. They get dirty af, buying one every three uses isn't a solution
>>29419208
put them in a sock and wash them with your hot wash stuff...
>>29419043
You throw it in the washing machine when it gets grungy.
>>29419232
>Bore snakes are great /k/!
>I shoot 50 rounds out of my Marlin once a year when dad lets me and the bore snake works great!
>Then I don't have to spend more then 10 minutes using a bore rod
>When is dinner, mom?
>>29419017
Bore snakes are for in the field.
Rod and patches are for when back at home and doing a deep clean before putting them in the safe.
>>29419017
Because no matter how many times you use that, patches are still gonna come out dirty.
Boresnake + patches = literal cleanliness
>>29419335
except I'm also
>>29419152
They have their place, they just aren't going to replace a solid one piece rod, patches, brush and a jag... They are usually good enough for pistols though, but I go next size up to get a tighter fit...
>>29419347
^ This
I collect military rifles and I had so many problems trying to clean the barrels that I would go through 500 patches in one rifle and still get them turning out pitch black or blue depending on the chemicals I used.
I use JB bore paste and polisher now, that stuff is god tier and I only go through a max 40 patches per rifle. But a boresnake would quite literally scratch the surface and do otherwise very little.
Boresnakes are good for when you're hunting for long periods of time or equivalent field activity but if you go to the range once a week for 5 hours they're pretty much useless.
>>29419390
>500 patches
I think you did more harm than good tp your rifles, anon.
>>29419390
You really need to google cleaning your rifle into inaccuracy right now.
Like right fucking now.
>>29419428
>Like you'd know what you're talking about
My barrels are shiny and chrome and now free of 99% of all the fowling copper or lead in them. That's what happens when you have rifles rarely cleaned that can be up to 10 times your age.
The rifling in my P14 looks as if it's brand new.
>be in osut
>sleeping in the field
>weapons maintenance time
>whip out my Frankenstein bag of cleaning rods and patches
>run rod down bore, its tight
>insanely tight wtf
>snap cleaning rod inside barrel
>insert drill Sgt
>uhh...do pushups until I fix this thing
>10min later its free
>end up borrowing rods for 6 weeks until we turn the m4s in
>at NTC, first time in the field at unit
>fire blanks and live ammo like mad never clean rifle past star chamber, charging handle, upper, and bca
>buy a cheap bore snake back at the ruba
>run it through twice, its perfectly clean
>tfw cur my cleaning in half by 15 minutes
>>29419452
>>cleaning your rifle into inaccuracy
>10 shots and bam my zero is now perfect and back to what it was.
When you have 500 patches worth of shit tier fowling and your bullets are literally pushing fowling out you got issues. But hey, I bet you only take your AR-15 out once a month right?
>>29419477
Your copper and lead make chickens?
>Desire to know more intensifies.
>>29419503
>Fouling
tfw dumb
>>29419017
How to clean your rifle for dipshits and niggers and to settle this damn thread
Step 1 - Get your materials together.
That bore had caked on carbon and powder residue, you need a good bore solvent and a good CLEANING ROD, patches, appropriate brush and patch needle. For milsurp, a segmented rod with removable handle is GOAT, for accurate rifles you want a 30$ solid rod, for a range clean or pre-rod, use a bore snake. Also, bore squeegees are popular but are finicky.
Step 2 - Assemble lengths of rod. Put a brush on one end and put the handle end through the chamber and out the muzzle.This way you have the brush being pulled instead of pushed, this prevents the rod from kinking or bending like it would if you tried to push it. With a solid rod which usually has a fixed handle, push from chamber-muzzle and unscrew the bit before pulling the rod back from the crown. Send it through twice or so. This is chamber-muzzle cleaning, its natural and not sodomy.
> Don't push it through the muzzle-to-chamber, ever.
There's a reason mosins are inaccurate and it is the muzzle-to-chamber cleaning damaging the crown, the muzzle is EXIT ONLY SENPAI. Don't sodomize your rifle, because just like real anal sex, it can fuck it up for life with one traumatic experiment.
Step 3 - Switch to a wet patch with Hoppes 9 or your other favorite solvent. If using corrosive, use Hoppes nine and Ammonia separately and dry the bore between using those chemicals. You can use whatever you want, but ya can effectively dry the bore with a bore squeegee and enough patches.
My favorite are those 2x2 inch patches from surplus stores. Ya just cut them to size and they burn away easy innawoods.
Step 4 - Visually inspect your bore, Brush, Swab, dry as needed.
Bore snakes are known to get bent bristles, so if you rely one one, keep it safe. They can be washed and can also disappear like your socks.
>>29419477
I will admit my knowledge comes from a few years of reading - Ive never actually set benchmarks and done first hand testing.
The real question is how accurate are they compared to before cleaning, and compared to regular in depth cleaning? If you are the sort of person who puts 500 patches through a rifle sure you've measured accuracy to ensure you're doing it right. Right?
Do you guys always use metal brushes?
I don't find anything besides stiff nylon brushes useful on regular maintenance.
Taking brass and metal brushes to your rifling on the reg just to clean a few hundred rounds of fouling or so is a no-no.
>>29419066
I use a rod and brush for solvent and deleading, and the snake for cleaning all the stuff out and applying a coat of oil at the same time.
>>29419152
What exactly is the point of a bore guide? I don't see the point (though I haven't done any major cleaning jobs on my AR yet).
>>29419752
well seeing as how brass is softer than steel, what do you base your opinion on?
Hello cleanfags
I just only recently bought my first guns and don't know shut about cleaning
The basics of what I do is
>oil up barrel
>bristle it
>patch it
>bristle it up
>patch it again till clean
And this is for my shotgun
Now for my rifle I am using the boresnakes cause counter guy said it's completely better than rod and patch
Ran it through twice in my myosin and here's a pic
Didn't shoot it yet
So besides on how to properly clean my gun how can you even tell if it's still dirty when visually looking down the barrel?
All I see is the bit of light reflecting off the smooth barrel walls and nothing but the reflective light
>>29419784
Keeps the cleaning rod from grinding into the throat. Throat erosion is a major part of rifle being "shot out" so really it's just an over zealous measure on an AR.
>>29419896
Call me an idiot but I don't really believe people when they say mag spring life is not affected by indefinitely loaded mags, too.
>>29419017
I prefer the OTIS system.
>>29419917
Whats with that gritty/crusty looking part on the lit rifling
>>29419917
When you can see shit on the rifling, it's still dirty... Go to Wal-Mart and buy one of those $10 Hoppes kits with the aluminum rod, no9, brushes, patches, mops, and jags... They are a pretty great value and will do a good job. Because of the graphite in surplus ammo it's unlikely your final patches will ever come out white so just run like five and call it a day...
>>29419498
>cannot spell fouling
>his opinion means anything
Congrats, you are a moron!
>>29419588
>calls other people dipshits
>uses a multi piece rod
Kek kys
>>29420116
He's probably a record fowl hunter, smartass
>>29419498
>I did stupid shit and got lucky
>a well known phenomenon does not exist.
I thought about building an AR once. Never did it.
>>29420098
The OTIS cleaning kits are pretty good.
>>29419588
>ammonia
(You)
Do those remington bore squeegee things actually work?
>>29420116
WOW I ALMOST HAD TO FACE THE FACT THAT MY ARGUMENT WAS SHIT BUT I SEE YOU MADE A SPELLING ERROR HEH TOUGH LUCK KID
>>29419017
To OP and everyone in this thread.
It really doesn't fucking matter. Stop over complicating cleaning, every method is good and every brush/sponge/rod/fabric/pull works along with every chemical/oil/solvent, from fireclean to $200 bottle of hoppes to fucking gasoline.
Just clean how you want and be happy.
>>29420172
Agree.
Except for precision rifles.
I just blast out my barrels with a pressure washer. Who the fuck has time for pussyfooting around?
>>29420371
Why? What won't they do for precision rifles?
>>29419017
>not field stripping your gun
>not completely submerging them into a 55 gallon drum of hoppes
>not then submerging them into a 55 gallon drum of water to displace hoppes
>not drying them, then submerging them in a 55 gallon drum of oil. Then reassembling them.
It's like you don't even care for your guns
>>29419017
To use your analogy
>using a boresnake is like using a towel to wipe your ass after taking a shit
>>29420490
Let's be honest, that is probably a great way to wipe your ass.
>>29419017
Why did it take so long for boresnakes to be invented? They are pretty low-tech.
>>29420545
The concept goes way back to WWII. Germans used a steel chain like a boresnake, but they fucked up the barrels pretty bad.
>>29420545
I can see the way it's woven to be kind of tough without specialized machinery.
>>29419485
Straight retarded
Literally only takes like 20 seconds, and then a squirt of oil down the barrel.
You guys are overcomplicating this shit so fucking hard. We live in an age where stupid fucking shit like rods or boreskanes are outdated.
>>29420773
Jesus why
>>29420773
Neat.
so, do people wash bore snakes every once in a while or how do you keep them clean?
>>29420816
Shit will remove any and all fouling in seconds. No solvents or effort at all.
Just hit the bore with a couple back and forths, then oil. Maybe send a patch through to temove the chunks of carbon, but those will get blasted out the next time you shoot it anyways so I don't even bother.
>>29420773
RIP in pepperoni
Ever clean a rifle to completion? I mean not a speck of carbon on the thing OP. Boresnek is what I use most of the time but to get a complete clean you gotta use patches and brushes for a very long time.
>>29420861
I clean it every time I'm done using it.
>>29420773
>>29420816
>>29420868
Somebody explain to me why this is a bad idea. Those bristles look like hard plastic. They won't touch steel. So long as you aren't gouging the barrel with the metal rod, what could the problem be?
>>29420878
soap and water or how?
Spray barrel with break cleaner, remove break cleaner, spray barrel with hopps elite, use included barrel brush from pistol box and scrub like it has been in a alien contamination zone run patches till they are dry and clean. Barrel is spotless besides lint from CC,shitty phone can't take detailed photos because focus
>>29420960
Yes
>>29420545
They go back to at least WWII. K31 rifles had it as standard in their cleaning kits.
>>29419017
>Tfw you will never feel the silky pull of a bore snake exiting your body in one smooth motion as it cleanses your bowels
>>29420872
every once in a while i will completely disassemble my milsurp rifles, clean them religiously, slather all the parts in grease and put them back into storage
>>29419152
>don't actually remove anything other than light powder fouling
that's the only thing that needs to be removed in 99% of cases.
>>29419017
>Wanting to use a bore snake.
Enjoy not having any rifling.
>>29422317
>slow copper and nylon wears down steel faster than 40k+ psi of hot gas pushing against a copper projectile going thousands of fps down the bore.
sure thing bro.
>>29420490
It's more like a bidet.
Sometimes you'll have very little poop residue, and it comes off fine and just finish up with a single sheet of toilet paper. Other times you might have a stomach bug, there's fucking shit everywhere, and the bidet barely scratches the fecal-surface. So you use toilet paper or wet wipes instead.
>>29422194
Kelp tape. Google it.
>>29422317
You a mental retard?
Enjoy using something that was designed for its intended use?
... Oh k... I will.
>>29420074
I get the mag spring relaxing, even on tour they told us to empty our mags out once a month.
Brass and copper cleaning tools though are safe to use on steel because they are so much softer and weaker, you will struggle to even remove the finish unless you go really mental with it.
>>29420074
>>29423141
Do you retards take your car off its springs every night to "de-load" them?
No?
Because thats not how springs work you retards. When will that fuddlore finally die.
where does this cleaning your gun to innaccuracy meme come from?
is it really retards that justify not taking care of their guns?
as long as you use a fucking copper brush and a covered or brass/aluminium/tupperware rod, you will never wear the gun more than 1 (one) bullet.
as for boresnakes, I dont see the point really. you should have a rod anyways, so why bother with the bore snake.
>>29423202
>>29423141
theres something called creep, so springs will actually get weaker faster the more load you put them under.
but its too small to bother with. normal fatigue is due to cycles of stress, not static. unloading mags are only useful to get shit out of them, and is probably why you were told to empty them
>>29423258
>>29420957
>>29419588
I have the pro shot micro polished stainless steel rods...did I make a mistake?
>>29423024
He's rightist thou. It really doesn't matter as most all methods will get the job done fairly well.
Now while yes, you can clean your guns with kerosene and gasoline, to say it's just as effective (and safe) as dedicated gun cleaner is insane
>>29420112
Them hoppes kits are amazing. Still using mine. Getting low on the bore cleaner kind of excited to get more
>>29419104
>5 bucks
Try $12-$20
>>29423462
>buys snake oil
>likes to waste money
>basic metallurgy out the window
Go ahead, tear up your barrel, dumbass.
>>29419390
If it takes 500 patchs, you need to be using a copper bore brush and scrap that shit out first
500 is absurd
>>29419017
rods and patches allow you to do a more thorough cleaning job than boresnakes
go clean your gun with a snake and then run a patch through it. you'll see.
>>29419588
Dude, muzzle to chamber only hurts it with a steel rod
The reason you don't is because you spit shit into the receiver and have to clean it again
>>29419017
>>rod and patches
>> like cleaning your ass after a liquid shit with 1 sheet of 1 ply toliet paper
>>boresnakes
>>two swipes through the barrel and your gun is pristine.
lrn to use a fucking patch. Boresnakes are fucking garbage for getting a bore actually clean, don't know why the fuck I wasted $10 on one. Pro-tip, if you can't get a bore sparkling clean in under five patches you fucking suck at cleaning or just got done shooting 10,000 rounds and left it to cement on.
>>29419784
>What exactly is the point of a bore guide
For people who are too stupid to start at the chamber.
>>29424284
Do you think snake oil would make a good lubricant? I have access to a lot of snakes and could probably harvest a small bottle of oil.
I like the rope with patch. It's as easy as a boresnake but with a patch and can also use a brush.
Cabela's sells a kit. It's nothing to write home about but that little rope is great.
>>29419017
Boresnakes are trash.I use a rod and boretech cleaning products. Doesn't take more than 20-30 patches for a clean gun its also minimal work and nontoxic on skin.
>>29420074
>Call me an idiot but I don't really believe people when they say mag spring life is not affected by indefinitely loaded mags, too.
You're not an idiot anon. You're a mouth breathing retard that doesn't understand the physics of steel and why we use it and only it for springs in something that isn't children's toys.
>>29424317
>For people who are too stupid to start at the chamber.
Also ignore this, didn't realize they all start in the chamber these days. All the ones my friends had were these ungodly clamp on things for the muzzle.
>>29424334
pic
>>29424309
its possible to fuck up the crown with the handle or just being super fast. its impossible to fuck up the crown no matter what if you clean from the chamber.
>if you shove it in where the stuff comes out, you are actually gay and like to get fucked in the ass.
>>29419752
Yes, running a copper brush down the bore will damage it significantly...also, please wait a half hour after eating before you go swimming.
>>29419752
>cleaning your rifle after a few hundred rounds
>>29420058
Yeah, springs go bad after time...that's why all of my 19th and early 20th century firearms with original springs don't work...oh, wait.
>>29422180
Yeah, the German cleaning kit actually has a metal chain. I'd take a picture, but I'm at work.
Again, designed for a quick cleaning in the field.
>>29420352
WHAT?!?! People can do things differently than I do and I don't have to get angry and defensive about it? THE HELL, YOU SAY!!!
>>29422747
DO NOT.
>>29424284
>>29424332
So Stainless Steel rods are bad?
>>29426720
How about aluminum jags tips and ferrules for not giving false copper readings on patches by using copper cutter and other harsher solvents?
>>29419017
A nylon brush on a rod is useful as fuck for applying chemicals before you patch it clean.
>swab bore with wet brush, let it set for a couple minutes
>put a few patches through it until patches come out clean
>brush through it again with a patch on the front this time, repeat a few times
>patch clean
How does a boresnake work in this process?
>>29426800
basically a bore snake is one big "rope" like cloth brush with embedded brass bristles in the center for scrubbing.
So you take a bore snake, soak it in ballistol and run it through a hot barrel to clean out the fresh hot gunk.
>>29419917
you could try following the steps outlined here:
>>29426800
and keep getting it wet with hoppes #9 until it comes out clean
>>29426826
oh so at the end of the process a boresnake would be a good way to make sure there's no cleaning chemical left in the barrel?
>>29426841
I suppose if you use it dry it's like finishing off with a towel.
most people use it as first step, but I suppose using it as a last step makes sense too.
>>29419017
>not just tying a knot in your bootlaces dipping it in motor oil and running it thru the barrel
you cucks will literally spend money on anything, you probably use snake oil too
>>29426841
I've always used it last to apply oil to protect the barrel. It's pretty terrible for doing actual cleaning work from my experiences.
>>29424366
but it's hard to get to the chamber on my AK :(
>>29426858
I think that may have been a inspiration somewhere...however it depends on caliber or gauge...name a shoe or boot lace that's so wide it can clean a shotgun barrel?
>>29426878
good idea. I just ran a boresnake w/ CLP through my AK-74 after shooting 10 rounds of 7N6 yesterday.
>>29426858
also I bought my boresnakes on ali baba from the Chink company that makes them for the American brand name for like $5
>>29426958
Hope the string don't break or it will be a bitch to get out. If it breaks at the perfect spot you'd have to beat it out with a cleaning rod and hard surface
>>29426986
they're the same snakes sold in America, and yeah I've heard stores about needing to pound out stuck snakes
>>29419498
If you are using JB paste (which is a polishing compound designed to remove metal) for anything but extremely rare and brisk cleaning, you're permanently fucking your barrel with every single stroke.
You can't put metal back onto the barrel.
You're an imbecile.
>>29427071
It's useful for barrel break-in procedure starting with a rough barrel.
They use it to even out shitty barrels for precision during the break-in.
>>29419588
>because just like real anal sex, it can fuck it up for life with one traumatic experiment
wanna know how i know you dont know what youre talking about?
>>29420058
>soft brass moving at manpower speeds
>capable of grinding off steel
Not how it works
>>29426944
>I just ran a boresnake w/ CLP through my AK-74 after shooting 10 rounds of 7N6 yesterday.
>7n6
That's corrosive right? If it is wash your rifle down with water before you have a rustfle on your hands.
>>29420111
That is the focal point.
He needs to close his aperture to up the focal field and up the exposure to compensate.
>>29427296
it does work that way, because the problem arises when you do it over and over again
plus even a chrome lining still has the effects of thermal, chemical, and mechanical erosion working against it
it doesn't need you rubbing your stupid steel rod against the crown every time you try to clean it
>>29427405
>steel rod
Steel is not brass. I said brass. Brass is softer than steel.
Are we done here? I think so.
I cleaned my Mosin once by shooting a round and keeping the spent casing in the chamber. I filled up the barrel with hoppes and let it sit for a day.
>>29426468
well so what the fuck
Not that anon, but I tend to run a juicy boresnake down my barrel maybe 5-10 times after every range trip. 50 shots or 500 shots. I'll wipe shit down inside, including a casual BCG cleaning (60% focus on the bolt itself)
I have an AR with a melonited 4150CMV barrel. I'm inclined to do this basic maintenance in the hopes it staves off a catastrophic jam that requires a full strip/cleaning
Am I really that wrong?
>>29427422
No because for the last hundred years most rods have been steel.
Therefore it is one of the causes of it.
>>29427422
a brass rod will do it too
>>29426935
They make a muzzle guide for AKs you remove the brake and put on the guide, Because Russia likes anal.
>>29419896
>implying i cant scratch steel with a brass brush
a fucking scotch brite will scratch and they're made of plastic
you need to rethink things.
>>29419017
I hope this isnt the wrong thread tho post in.
I have a chink shit sks, and the rod is there, but it doesnt reach the lenth of the barrel. The cleaning kit has a brush, some kind of threaded piece that rotates, and a pin. The head of the rod, the end that looks like a piston with a hole through it, is too large to fit inside the barrel with a patch through it.
Ive been stuffing a patch in the barrel, pushing it as far as possible with the head, then poping it out all the way with the gas tube piston.
Can somebody tell me something i dont know?
>>29428586
A scotch brite pad will scratch through the bluing you fucking retard and most of those pads have embedded particles to actually be able to scour shit.
>>29427311
Yes it is he needs to hose down his rifle.
>>29428586
>implying i cant scratch steel with a brass brush
You can scratch some kinds of steel with some kinds of brass.
You cannot scratch a barrel with a brass cleaning rod or brush.
>>29428586
>a fucking scotch brite will scratch and they're made of plastic
Those pads have aluminum oxide grit in them you idiot.
>>29428593
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCKXyuGces
>>29427208
>barrel break in
Why am I not surprised you believe in that too?
Barrel break in consists of shooting your gun.
>>29428775
Thanks.
anybody use ripcords? heard they were supposed to be the new thing. not sure if i should replace my worn boresnake with one on just buy another boresnake. prices seem the same
>>29420127
And you pull it out ranther than push.
Push with a solid rod like >>29423462
>>29420258
the piss in a nugget meme
(You)
>>29424309
No, its about the crown, and some bits are steel like the milsurp cleaning kits that all of /k/ has seen one way or another.
>>29427290
Wanna know how I know you never seen the inside of a doctors office?
>>29419017
I actually use boresnakes BEFORE I shoot. I like to leave a considerable amount of oil in my barrels because I never know when I'm going to get a chance to shoot again. Due to this fact, I like to run a boresnake through my guns prior to leaving the house to get rid of the aforementioned excess oil.
>>29419017
My god father M1 ate one of those one me. I had to spend a while hammering it out. Turns out that rusty barrels and bore snakes don't like each other (barrel was in that condition because his father in law left it without proper cleaning for a couple decades)
.
>>29420352
Fuck you and your high horse! I can't believe you can tolorate anyone on this board.
>>29420537
If I was fuck off rich I would have my servant wipe my ass with a fresh warm hand towel each and every time.
>>29424306
did this last weekend. I run a snake through about 10-15 times. It's on my winchester 1894 30-30. pain in the ass to clean with a rod so a snake does most of the work, then I run a patch through to check it.
>Rod with a wire brush and solvent to break everything up.
>rod with patches and solvent to clean it up, then patches and oil to protect
It's this simple
>>29428507
why is your rod touching the barrel?
>>29428586
did you know you can clean chrome with wadded aluminum foil and water?
How often should one clean their barrel? I have put 500 rounds in my .22 and have had it about a week
Do I need to clean it?
>>29430841
How does it not without a bore guide?
>>29431065
Yes, monthly at least.
>>29431117
make shift boreguide of cleaning patch and fingers. Every rod I've seen comes with a simple boreguide anyway. But the point is that you won't wear out you bore with a brash brissle brush on cleaning with a rod. There is no way it is doing more damage then bullets.
Some people don't seem to understand that there are guns that can't be realistically cleaned from the chamber with a rod.
M1, M1A, pretty much all AKs come to mind. It's also a bear to clean some lever actions anywhere but the muzzle. The internet will tell you lightly tapping the crown with your finger will ruin it but I imagine with proper care and not dinging it all the time you'll be fine.
Boresnakes are nice for a quick fouling cleanout but really they don't do much beyond that.
>>29431635
The brush isn't whats doing the damage its the old school steel rod thats about as hard as the barrel.
>>29431807
At worst a rod is going to bump into the bore lightly, it's not like a bullet careening across the surface with explosive pressure behind it, forcing it to spin with friction. You would have to really be trying to fuck up if you can damage a gun with a cleaning rod.
>>29431838
Mostly the crown and throat not the whole bore, areas that can be hit and worn away irregularly by idiots trying to force it in at a slight angle.
>>29431879
What constitutes improper force in cleaning? I fret about my crown myself then I watch guys online use a solid brass rod through their M1 muzzle and the guy was rubbing the brass along their crown without a guide. He didn't seem to give a shit and did it about 10 times for just a standard cleaning.
I'm not purposely smacking my crown but should I freak the fuck out if my jags or loop patch graze it on the way out?
