If you could eliminate one aircraft from existence, what would it be?
Hard mode: Don't say F35
Nightmare mode: Don't say V22
>>29412990
F-16
>>29413005
>the most important fighter of the last 30 years
You're retarded
>>29412990
MIG-21/J-7 or SU-25, just to fuck with the 3rd world
>>29412990
F-117A
>>29412990
Space Shuttle
>>29413029
But why, the nighthawk is awesome.
>>29413040
That's a spacecraft, anon.
>>29413035
what did the banan ever do to you, anon?
>>29413047
>didn't hit well over 90% of its targets during desert storm
>shot down by broke-ass serbs a few years later
>permanently shitcanned afterwards
Stealth is a meme, the nighthawk was a failure, there's a reason why 99% of the USAF's inventory aren't stealth aircraft...this is why.
>>29413020
>You're retarded
That's why I did it.
If I remove it then the whole world will crumble.
>>29413062
It's a shit design m8, all the other nam whirlies were far superior
>>29413069
>here's a reason why 99% of the USAF's inventory aren't stealth aircraft...this is why.
Then why are all the aircraft adopted after the F117 stealth?
>>29413120
>Then why are all the aircraft adopted after the F117 stealth?
It's like arguing with a squirrel...I give up. If you're just going to say ridiculous things like this there's no point in communicating.
>>29413069
>somehow 40% misses become 90% misses
>somehow doctrinal failures and Serbs retooling radars into near-uselessness renders the entire military concept of stealth and concealing movement of aircraft pointless
>F-117 apparently never continued to serve capably for another decade until replaced by the F-22
>mfw I see "stealth is a meme" amongst all this blatant memery
>>29413155
>B2
>F22
>F35
>not stealth
Wut
The F-104.
To prevent all those needless deaths and crashes caused by this plane and due to the fact i hate it because it was the centerpoint of the "Lockheed-affaire".
>>29413069
I thought the F-117 was a first-gen VLO tactical bomber designed for penetrating air defense networks that was in service for twenty-five years before being retired in 2008 to free up budget for the F-22. Also that with the F-117's maintenance intensive and inherent unstable VLO design and limited weapons capacity the F-22, with its capacity to attack ground targets, and the then upcoming F-35, both with more advanced VLO designs and larger weapons capacity, greatly outclassed the Night Hawk and as such the F-117 was mothballed.
>>29413370
>F designation
>Tactical bomber
>>29413155
Answer his question you smug fucking cunt.
8/8 b8
the IL-2 Shturmovik
then maybe the war would have carried on a few more years and we would have seen combat between late-war aircraft like the P-80, Ta-152, and Seafire XVII
>>29413425
>what is the F-111
>what is the F-15E
There's precedent.
>>29413263
You forgot the extensive HUMINT employed by the Serbs and the fact that adverse weather conditions meant that neither Prowlers nor Wild Weasels were operating at the time.
>>29412990
XB-70. If that retarded design hadn't vortexed in multiple escort planes on test flights we might have had proper Mach 3+ military aircraft.
>>29413483
not just bombers. we may also have gotten a domestic mach 3 airliner
>>29413481
Blaming the enemy AND the weather for your own failures is a serious bitch move.
>>29413370
>I thought the F-117 was a first-gen VLO tactical bomber designed for penetrating air defense networks that was in service for twenty-five years before being retired in 2008 to free up budget for the F-22
Nope, totally false.
Didn't even read the rest of your post. Good luck in the future!
SU27
>>29412990
F-111A Aardvark.
What a steaming moneygrubbing pile of shit that jet was.
We already did..
Chinese hacked terabytes of F-35
So.... consider it eliminated..
hurr
>>29413669
Disregarding the factors that directly enabled the shootdown is an even bigger bitch move.
>>29412990
B-24J 42-110007
America is saved.
>>29413791
you are literally saying "if the enemy did not exist, this plane would be fine"
just think about how stupid that is.
>>29413427
He won't because his English vocabulary is limited. Instead of improving he will buy more krokodil and shitpost.
>>29413669
So is claiming that concealing movement of aircraft in and out of combat is a useless meme.
That the F-117 was deployed in a retarded manner in Serbia, and shot down in an even more retarded manner, no argument.
That fact, however, was no failing on the part of the aircraft or its capabilities. If mission planners didn't have their heads up their asses in sending the F-117 along the same route every single sortie when they knew enemy AAA was in the area, none of this would have happened. Even the Serbian radar was a cobbled-together mess that couldn't detect shit without the commander knowing exactly when and where his target would be beforehand.
Stealth isn't billion-dollar angles and paint, it's having the foresight to combine those with time-tested tactics of covert movement and interdiction of enemy defenses. Thinking any advantage in that area is a meme is categorically mentally deficient
In short, fuck off retard.
>>29413897
>So
Stopped reading right there.
Never begin a sentence with "So". It makes you sound about six years old.
What could a six year old possibly have to tell me about a subject I already know? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
>>29413882
>Drive down the same road at the same times at the same speed for days
>Surprised when you walk into an ambush
>It must be my car's fault for being a piece of shit
>>29413882
If the weather had been different, the Prowlers and Wild Weasels would have been in the air. If they didn't have spotters monitoring the NATO airbases they wouldn't have know that the Prowlers and Wild Weasels weren't flying. Without the information that NATO jamming and SEAD weren't in the air they never would have violated their own rules of operation and done a third radar sweep after the first two failed to get a lock. So yes, if the weather had been different or they lacked HUMINT resources the shootdown would never had occurred as after the two failed attempts to target the F-117s they would have packed up and changed position.
>>29413939
F-14
So I can watch the world burn.
>>29413368
we would have the Valkyrie if it wasn't for that one crash
also they look like absolute shit
>>29413425
Do you know absolutely nothing about the F-117?
F-16
>>29416013
>>29416365
>>29413425
Yes. Getting pilots who want to fly B class is kinda hard, and the designation itself is misdirection. Everything after F-111 was supposed to be for captured aircraft, hence the USAF flying Mig 23s under the YF-113 designation. Thus the implication of the F117 was that it was a captured aircraft and thus not worth spying on because the Russian already knew what their aircraft could do. If you want to go even further the F designation was supposed to be for interceptors and air superiority aircraft, and A for attack, but with the advent of truly multirole aircraft, the AF or FA designation would be more correct.
>>29413454
There's no h in sturmovik you fuck ass
>>29413035
who said , yep lets aprove this design
>>29413005
This.
With no F-16 the F-20 might have stood a chance.
>>29416373
It might be effective but it's boring, specialized aircraft are more likely to make my dick diamonds
Every variation of the Spitfire
>Let the jigglin' commence
>>29412990
Tu-4
Fucking thieving slavs.
>>29416269
Valkyrie was already dismissed as a military aircraft by the time that crash happened. It was being used for research at the time.
>>29413951
But that's completely wrong. Not a single detail matches up with reality.
Why did you write this post?
>>29413069
Wasn't the reason it was shot down was because it left its bomb bay doors open allowing it to be picked up by Serb radar?
>>29419850
>arguing with slavs
Forget it anon, it's an exercise in futility
>>29419850
It's more complicated than that, but that was (supposedly) part of it, yes.
fun fact about that F117: the american pilot and the serbian dude met after the war and became friends.
I mean, as cool as it is, and as much as I love SAC shit, it's a retarded design.
it earned the nickname
"two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking, and two more unaccounted for" for a goddamn reason.
>>29419908
What, I thought he (the pilot) was killed?
Concorde.
Come at me bro
>>29419949
Jealous American or stupid Frenchman detected :^)
The TBF
T-72
>>29419940
okay anon I want you to sit down for this one
are you ready mate?
here it comes:
you were wrong about that thing
>>29413114
Did you seriously say that design was fielded in Vietnam?
>>29420071
It was, but only at the very beginning.
Osprey... Felt so wrong to be in, too crashy, and barely fulfilled a role created just for it.
>>29413784
have you ever considered the information acquired by the hackers was intentionally "given" to the Chinese?
>>29413111
You're ok, bruv.
>>29412990
Every Russian aircraft ever made, to stem the flow of shitposts.
Alternatively, the SU-27.
Even more alternatively, the Mig-28 so that one asshat stops posting pictures of an F5 and calling it a Mig.
Air Force One, particularly while midflight.
Hornet.
>>29417298
Worse payload and fuel.
And I think Northrop Grumman was on DoD's shit list at the time for fuckery, too.
>>29419792
>slavaboo AAA fan in denial
>>29420627
>Worse payload and fuel.
Part of why the F-16 has to go. Tall poppies gotta go.
(Really I kinda like the F-16 so I'm fine with the idea of F-16s for USA and F-20s for allies, but then they went and let GD export F-16s...)
>>29413849
Nice, but how does saving Joseph Kennedy Jr. save the country?
Northrop F-5
>>29421698
why would you do such a terrible thing?
>>29421698
die in a fire
>>29412990
Boeing B-52
>>29416013
>never being on the highway to the danger zone
>goose lives?
SR-71, chiefly because of the retarded fanboyism that surrounds it. The F-14 is a close second for the same reason.
A-10. I drink your delicious rage, Anons. I drink it all up.
>>29422156
>a truly spetacular airplane made in the fucking 60's has a fanclub around it and rightly so
>deserves to be erased because it is one of the only planes to actually deserve a fanclub
i bet you are a salty vatnik who's still mad that foxbat was a piece of shit, uncapable of fulfilling it's role
>>29422183
>one of the only planes to actually deserve a fanclub
Don't say things you can't take back, anon.
>>29412990
the wright brothers plane.
>>29422213
I'm sorry but sr71 is truly one of the most spetacular aircraft ever made, not even considering the era it's made in
>>29422258
That doesn't mean other aircraft don't deserve fanclubs
>>29422261
Of course, but if only one aircraft could get a fanclub, sr71 would be give everyone a good run for their money
>>29422183
Whats wrong with the Foxbat?
It filled its role pretty well:
> Goes fast - Check
> Long Range Radar - Check
> Long Range Missiles - Check
>>29422296
>failed to intercept blackbirds
>would melt its own engines when going fast
>not fast enough
Sure it's a fucking awesome of an underdog plane, but it was made to intercept sr71's and it failed miserably at that.
only thing it succeeded at is being more likeable
>>29412990
What gas mask is that ?
>>29422307
MiG-25 First Flight - March 1964
SR71 First Flight - December 1964
The MiG-25 was made to intercept bombers, the thing that will do damage, not Blackbirds...
>>29422307
>>29422351
>it was made to intercept sr71
wasn't it XB-70s?
>>29422376
Yes it was
>>29422307
>but it was made to intercept sr71's
The foxbat was not made to intercept sr-71. Fuck i doubt soviets even knew about it when designing the mig 25.
It was a high speed interceptor made to knock out supersonic bombers and it would have excelled at that role
it was also an amazing plane that still holds records
>>29422183
>Overengineered operational nightmare that required special-snowflake fuel, leaked all over the place, couldn't take off with full fuel and needed a special-snowflake tanker to top it off with special-snowflake fuel immediately after takeoff
>Used several complicated, nontrivial engineering solutions to problems that only existed in the first place due to a trivial design flaw
>Has the worst, most tinfoil-tier fanbase in existence
>Retards who constantly insist it evaded 40,000 missiles and assert that it was probably actually capable of mach 5+ because "muh classified performance specs"
>>29422258
The Concorde is frankly a much more spectacular aircraft.
>>29422307
>failed to intercept Blackbirds
"Failed" as in never tried? The Blackbird never overflew the USSR.
The Viggen, on the other hand, did intercept the Blackbird several times, as they would regularly clip Swedish airspace over the Baltic.
>would melt its own engines when going fast
Same would happen to the SR-71. That's what happens when you push past your placard mach limit and overtemp the compressors.
>not fast enough
How fast is "fast enough?" Sounds completely arbitrary.
>>29422598
>The Concorde is frankly a much more spectacular aircraft.
what could have been...
>>29422598
>The Concorde is frankly a much more spectacular aircraft
How so?
>>29422434
>Fuck i doubt soviets even knew about it when designing the mig 25.
>soviets not knowing about r 71
>soviets whose entire aerospace industry is built on stealing everyone's shit
>sr71 was reveealed to public 6 years before foxbat was released
If you can't get this basic, simple thing right why would you get anything else right.
>>29423255
The engineering challenges involved in making a comfortable SST are arguably greater than designing a supersonic military aircraft
(For example, in response to pressure issues you can't just stick every passenger in a spacesuit, you actually do have to design it to conform to civilian safety standards like a 10 minute dive to 10,000ft.)
Furthermore it has to be profitable to operate (which overall it was for BA, though obviously not for British Aerospace/Aerospatiale.) whereas the SR-71 can get away with bleeding money. Which introduces further engineering challenges (it not only has to work, it has to work well enough that an airline isn't bleeding money on maintenance.)
>>29423324
>10 minute dive
Wait, did I make this up? I could've sworn it was an actual requirement but some cursory checks afterwards, while giving the 10,000ft figure, don't state you have to be able to do it in 10 minutes.
It's possible that I interpreted it based on a time I'd seen for a chemical oxygen generator (i.e. you have to be able to do it at 10 minutes by default because after that you're out of oxygen again), but I can't find that either. I've seen a 15 minute figure, but 5 minutes to put on the masks seems far too generous, especially when the time of useful consciousness at 30,000ft is only 1-3 min.
F35
SR-71 was cool as fuck but they never mention it's horrible crash rate
30% of them crashed
>>29423895
>30% of them crashed
37.5%
12 out of 32
>>29423324
That's like comparing a submarine yacht to the Trieste or a luxury sports car to the Thrust SSC. Who needs in-flight catering when there's champagne and caviar at the victory party?
>>29423931
>Who needs in-flight catering when there's champagne and caviar at the victory party?
Why wait until landing for the party when you can have it in the sky aboard Concorde?
>>29423939
But my name wouldn't be in the record books. I'd just be paying for a plane ticket like the other shlubs.
>>29412990
Cessna 172
>>29423950
If you can fantasise about flying the SR-71, you can fantasise about flying Concorde.
(And if you want to stay within the realm of reality, you're never flying the SR-71 so I hope you flew Concorde while you had the chance or have blueprints for a time machine.)
>>29423962
Have you been on either?
In an SR-71 you know what you're getting into, and feel proud about what's happening. And the legends they'll tell, or can't because they're classified...
Have you really throught about why being on a Concorde sucks? I'd be surrounded by FRENCHMEN. We'd have to share AIR. I'll have to HEAR them go on and on about stupid baguette hon hon shit. The Concorde killed more French, I'll give you that.
>>29424078
>unironically disliking the french
this was cool in 2003.
>>29424090
Also since Agincourt if you're British...
>>29413035
Engineer: What kind of helicopter you want senpai?
DOD: Just go bananas
Engineer: Say no more
>>29413939
