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>AR-15 Petiton draft submitted to parlament, Cutoff May 7. 21.9k and counting.
http://www.e111.ca
>Petition to add property rights to the charter. Cutoff May 13. 4.0k and counting.
https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-124
>Bill C-230 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearm — definition of variant) Status: Introduced
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8111356
>BIll C-246 Modernizing Animal Protections(Hunting - More strict measures against hunters/trappers) Act Status: Introduced
http://www.parl.gc.ca/legisinfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8122718
>Quebec LGR petition has wrapped up with a reported 58k signatures (42k digital). Public hearings on the bill expected to continue till mid april.
>Quebec Premier has said there will be no free vote on the matter, what a surprise.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2016/03/16/couillard-rules-out-free-vote-for-liberals-on-long-gun-registry.html
>Type 81 Preorders are live $1000 NR, Fixed or Folder ETA Q3 2016
http://www.tacticalimports.ca/type-81-p-426.html
>New patch of CZ858 $995 NR, Fixed or Folder ETA 1 week
>Have a Type 97 coming in, that's doable on my poor finances
>Just found someone with a legit YMA scope (the proper proprietary QBZ optic)
>Want $700
F-fuck. Now I have to really crunch the numbers, guys.
second for where is my pal RCMP
Let's hear some opinions, should I get a norinco sig copy for a first handgun, or should I spend the 300 pecos more and get a cz-75 that I'm a big fan of.
>>29405076
Ditto for my RPAL
I want to pull the trigger (heh) on this AR-10 build.
>>29404895
Don't take it personally but that gun is a piece of shit.
>shit trigger
>shit ironsights
>80% plastic
>finicky magwell
>reliability issues up the ass
You can have a used Tavor for a few more shekels you know
>>29404730
Hey i'd like to support the e111 petition, but i'm in the us, can i just bullshit info and sign it for you guys? part of the reason i'm hesitant to move to canada (love the area and industry) is because of these crazy gun laws, is it really as bad as most people paint it?
>>29405922
>A few more
Even used ones are nearly double the price of a new Type 97.
>>29404895
Buy it. I've never seen one go up for sale, and that's a pretty decent price for an optic that might as well not exist in Canada.
>>29405956
You can sign from out of the country I think.
The laws aren't great, but they are (IMO) better than NY or Cali. Magazine capacity limits, some models are prohibited, no chance of full auto or CCW, handguns require registration and are range toys only. It's certainly nowhere near as good as somewhere like Alaska, Vermont, or Arizona, but it's much better than the UK, Australia or France. If you have questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them.
>Heres a list of guns you won't get however
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-98-462/latest/sor-98-462.html
>>29405922
They aren't that bad. The trigger isn't outstanding, but that's true for all bullpups. Most people use the flat top upper and the upgraded lower so both that and the iron sights issues are solved. Reliability issues are primarily present in lemons and none other.
>>29405922
Have you ever used the 97? The only thing correct in your post is the magwell.
>>29406053
The one I own has a sear problem causing it to double tap and then FTE. It rips casings in half too.
I don't feel that it's even that durable, wouldn't want to drop it. If the chinks go to war with this thing they'll be so fucked.
I like that it's an NR scary salt weapon that takes AR mags but that's really all it has going for it.
>>29406193
where to get a restricted verions, yes RESTRICTED.
>>29406193
>>29406173
I wouldn't underestimate the plastic, being that I've seen people abuse the shit out of theirs - tossing them on the ground, into puddles for the lulz. Sounds like you got a shitty lemon, that really sucks though.
I don't really want to drop my tavor on anything, either, even though it can survive getting ran over by cars.
>>29406205
>>29406224
this one is mine. have not added any aftermarket swag to it yet but i am planning on getting the mounts from CSA for a red dot
>>29406049
thanks for the response, i only asked because it says "I am a canadian citizen or resident" with a required red asterisk next to it.
what about ak variants? this is my zastava m77, any chance of owning this?
![IOuczXl[3].png](https://i.imgur.com/yqZ8bPt.jpg "IOuczXl[3].png")
>>29406290
Not a chance. The only AK variants legal in the country are the Finnish made M78 valmets. You can own VZ58s as well.
>>29404730
Mfw I want a PE90 or Swiss arms Classic green and a K31. But k31s are sold out....
>>29406224
>vz in 5.56
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
>>29406608
get over it nigger
>>29406497
XCR-L? what is that like the scar-L of ak's???
how the fuck do any of these model specific bans make sense?
I cannot find any info on this subject, because my googling is weak.
Was the RPD ever given a classification in Canada?
>>29406653
XCR is loosely based on the AK and AR afaik
the image is probably just to illustrate how pointless our classifcation laws are
>>29406663
I just saw in this list (subsection 84) the RPK and variants are mentioned, no RPD though?
>>29406663
>>29406694
shit 64 not 84
>>29406663
Yeah I don't think the RPD is classified as an AK variant (then again the SVD is). IIRC it's non-restricted if you find it
>>29406608
pls no bully
>>29406653
It's similar to the ACR in design.
>They don't make sense because they were done by people who don't know anything about guns circling scary models in a guns and ammo magazine made in the 90s and watching action films
>The G11 German clockwork space gun is also banned by name
>>29406663
Still waiting on an FRT as far as I know.
>>29407356
Armstrng cheese is made in BC? Neat.
Why does your SVT lack a magazine comrade?
Anyone have experience with antique guns?
I've been checking them out because they seem really fun and aren't as annoying to get as normal guns. I'm dirt poor and going to uni next year so the fact that I can save the $250 I'd spend on a PAL also looks promising.
Anyone have some advice on them?
>>29407690
Don't bother, the few that are legal to own without a PAL are expensive. Flintlock and matchlock rifles would be the extent of what you would be able to reasonably afford.
>>29407471
Typical North American hunting regulations state that if using a semi-automatic or pump-action firearm, you must restrict your firearm's capacity to 2+1.
The easiest way to do this on a firearm that uses detachable magazines is to not use a magazine at all. That way, you're now limited to 0+1. Some fudds find this more "fun," believe it or not.
>>29407690
>250$ on a PAL
....how? I paid 30$ for an online hunters safety course, and did the exam for maybe 40$, and however much it cost to send the thing into the RCMP.
>quick google search later
Sucks to live in Ontario.
>>29407954
Damn, just googled around and you're right. Quite a few antique revolvers but most ate in the thousands, with a few mystery/unknown single shot pistols and smooth bore rifles in the 500 range. Guess I'm better off waiting till I'm in the position to afford a PAL and a regular gun.
>>29408181
You can't do the CFSC online.
>>29408185
PAL and SKS is roughly $500-600
>>29408181
>online hunters course
I'll check this out. The gun store in my city is 200 plus tax for the PAL course and then they tack on some bullshit fees, although I've heard there's a way to circumvent their extra fees. I think they're for materials you can just print off yourself, haven't looked into it too much.
>>29404730
I don't understand why anyone would want an ak, akfags cant stop getting btfo, I proved it against an m14.
>>29408181
paying around 250 is pretty normal for Canada, that is for both non restricted and restricted courses...
>>29408209
http://www.huntercourse.com/
See if your province is one of the ones that accept it.
>>29408232
Nope. Thanks anyhow
>>29408201
>You can't do the CFSC online.
Well, maybe I just did hunter safety online and challenged the non restricted test.
I cannot remember anymore, it was 2 years ago.
>>29408253
Can't challenge the test anymore either. You have to take the full test now, as of C-42 coming into effect.
>>29408253
As of June 2015, the CFSC exam can't be challenged. Courses are mandatory. And I mean the actual CFSC, not some hunting course.
>>29408265
>>29408267
NOT UNLESS JUSTIN TRUDEAU GETS OFF HIS FAT ASS AND REPEALS C42 LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD.
THEN I CAN CHALLENGE LIKE THE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND
>>29408350
I'm pretty sure that Justin is only going to repeal specific parts of C-42 that he doesn't like.
Not being able to challenge the exam is probably the most leftist-friendly thing on that bill.
In all likelihood, we'll probably see paper ATTs making a comeback.
>>29408350
No, he said he's only repealing the bits about classification and the ATT system. Challenging will still be impossible.
>>29408213
Went shooting today, a garand for the first time, fired 40 338 rounds at 50m targets, killed a bike by firing squad using a sks, m14, m1 garand, some Remington 338, and a shotgun. Then we absolutely btfo akfags with a completely legitimate real world test. Into the trash it goes
https://youtu.be/tDcnJPYGDEg
>tfw you actually like the look of a folding stock VZ-58 but it just wouldn't work with the awkwardly long barrel
Why libs, why did it have to be 18.6" instead of just a normal 16" that like 90% of all modern rifles have as a standard?
>>29408511
That was cool, the ak shooter looked really operator when he stripped the AK. I don't really know much about the reliability of the guns and I don't really care to take a side but it looked to me like the an shooter put dirt right into the mag well while the m14 shooter did not.
>>29408511
Not trying to be that guy but the AK had dirt put right into the breach while the m14 stayed relatively sealed while getting dirtied up.
Laughed out loud at "that's how you fucking deal with an AK"
>>29408511
Same reason t's 4.2 inches for pistols, instead of just 4 or something
Because they're all assholes who hate the citizenry
>>29408511
It's because they figured most hunting rifles would be over 18.5" and so would trigger the least amount of backlash but still make things less convenient for the gun owners.
>>29406173
look nigguh just get the upgraded lower, the new trigger stops that from happening. We talked about this a while back.
>>29408546
Would it count as barrel length if I got my barrel shortened to 16" and welded on that nice czech muzzle brake and brought the overall length up to the minimum?
Does anyone know the deal with NEA-15s on Canadaammo? They're perpetually out of stock, how long does it usually take for them to get more? I checked the North Eastern Arms website and it doesn't look like they're out of business.
>>29410916
they'll sell out of something really quick then get another shipment 6, 8, 12 months later so they dont take the page down
Does anyone have any info on when the extended forearm for the XCR-L? This article said 2016, but stuff like this often gets set back
http://tv-presspass.com/shot-show-2016-whats-coming-from-robinson-arms/
>>29411046
>Does anyone have any info on when the extended forearm for the XCR-L? This article said 2016, but stuff like this often gets set back
Jesus Christ, that was English worthy of a Brampton drive-thru
I was wondering when it's arriving. I assume Q3 2016 at the earliest.
>>29408111
The only international hunting regulation I am aware of that limits your capacity to 3 rounds is when hunting migratory birds. In that case they want to you to put a dowel in the tube of your shotgun to restrict it's capacity to 3.
>>29410834
Pinned/Welded muzzle devices don't count as barrel length in Canada.
>>29410834
>look nigguh just spend another $400 to make it work properly
fuck that shit
>>29411723
Well get warranty repairs then, since it's pretty clearly a lemon.
Would a subscription of Guns and Ammo put me on the RCMP watch list?
>>29412566
If you own a gun and/or post on 4chan you're already on a watchlist.
Am I insane for wanting to downgrade from tavor to t97? I just don't get to shoot the thing often enough and I feel like it's pointless to have an expensive toy now.
>>29412618
Fug
>>29412618
You're on a watchlist for literally everything these days, I don't think it really matters at this point
>>29412905
That'd be up to you. Guns are still a hobby at the end of the day, and it's your money. If you do plan on doing that, I would recommend asking to trade it for a T97 with both major upgrades and some cash.
>>29413443
I wouldn't be flat out trading for a 97, fuck that. Thought about selling my rifle and just buying the 97 with cash after the fact. Might be hard to find a buyer with the economy so shit, and lowballers... There's literally nothing I dislike about the Tar21, it just feels pointless.
>>29410834
The upgraded lower and FTU look like toasted ass, though.
>>29413504
Shit, I'd buy it if you were close, and I wasn't so poor from just ordering a T97. Fingers crossed the guy I spoke to will be able to convince himself to sell me pic related to go with it.
>>29413620
That looks qt as fucc
>>29413645
I need it so bad. I've never seen one of those optics for sale. Be nice to have the "proper" T97 optic, rather than slapping a rail on.
>>29413680
Absolutely, I am fascinated by this optic.
>>29406497
When was that image made? Are those guns all still non-restricted as of [CURRENT YEAR]?
>>29414018
Only a year or 2 ago, and yes they're all still NR, unless some bill passed that nobody heard of.
Is it legal to carry a rifle innawoods for camping? I live in Alberta, and would love to take my M44 or something. I knew a kid killed by a bear a long time ago, and would hate to join him.
I'm no hunter, just want protection.
>>29414223
Yeah, as long as it's legal to hunt and target shoot there. So either crown land or private property with permission from the owner.
>>29414243
Aw, I wanted to ride up to Jasper and camp around there. Are there any decent swaths of CL on mountains? I want to hike up one and camp onnapeak over a weekend, but I don't need any fish cops hassling me.
>>29414450
No idea, sadly I'm too far East. Stuck moving back and forth between ON and QC. Still, if you know a guy with the land you can do it with their permission.
My girlfriends dad just passed away. She's originally from Indiana and he had a few guns that she wants to bring back to Canada with her. I know they've got to go through an FFL, but one of them is a Chinese SKS with (obviously) an unpinned magazine. I've been told that once a magazine is disassembled it is technically "parts" and not a prohibited device. Is this true? I can pin the magazine for her here in Canada, which would obviously save some money - if it can't be brought across, how do we go about getting it pinned?
>>29414574
Gray area, RCMP would definitely try to charge you, though you could fight it.
It's also not worth bringing a gun that cheap back, the import fees will be more than the gun is worth, but I can understand if it's for sentimental reasons.
Your safest bet is to pin the mag down there, or remove the mag and buy a new one in Canada.
There is also a 99% chance you'll do just fine with your original idea to bring the mag back separately
>>29414574
>I've been told that once a magazine is disassembled it is technically "parts" and not a prohibited device. Is this true?
First I've heard of it. To stay on the safe side, I would have it pinned down in the States before trying to import it. Or buy a new mag in Canada, like the other anon said, which would save you a lot of hassle at the cost of being, well, more costly than having the old mag pinned.
>>29414574
Easiest way to do it would be to contact an importation company like irunguns and see what they'd charge you to bring it across and pin the mag for you. It usually doesn't cost that much more in than you'd be paying in fees anyways, and they do all the work.
>>29414450
Yeah but not around jasper since it's a national park
The forestry trunk road would be better
>>29414450
Go hiking in the kootenay area around Abraham lake, it's a forest land use area so you're allowed firearms and don't have to go through national parks, just be mindful of other hikers and people on horse back
>>29415020
The whole area in pink you can carry a firearms, you'd be fucking stupid not to
>>29414603
>>29414660
>>29414893
Your help is appreciated boys
>>29413752
Yessss, the guy's willing to sell. I think I may make a video detailing it.
Now weep for my finances, gents. It's pricey-but rare stuff commands a premium, I guess.
>>29415261
Siiick do the video! How much is that bitch going to run you?
>>29415280
750. :< Normally I like to keep things cheap...but I've never seen one for sale, you can probably count the number of them in Canada on two hands. And it's in great shape, original papers and case, and the guy will even bring it up from Calgary to Edmonton. So I'd say it's fair.
>>29415306
Might not actually be too bad of a deal depending how good the optic itself turns out to be
So for the AR-15, everything but the lower receiver is Non-Restricted?
>>29415323
He says it's "day/low light" and very robust. Bought it and the Type 97 years ago. Looks to be in great shape, with a decent reticule, too. This'll probably save me from buying a rail/red dot combo, since I can always modify the irons.
>>29415528
The lower is the "firearm". Everything else is just parts. Yes, that means you could illegally complete an 80% lower and have an off-the-record AR. Don't do that, unless you want the RCMP to tenderly love you.
>>29415564
Not like they would know :^)
>>29415564
Well I'm mostly going to shop around for everything but the lower receiver. Then whenever I get my membership I'll buy the lower and complete it.
>>29416180
That's not a bad plan. I have a polymer lower I could sell you for cheap, if you like.
Anyone familiar with US gun laws?
If you were interested in going to a range in the US, is there any way to legally bring your SVT and Norincos? I hear from Americans all the time that SVTs and Chinese guns are banned for import, but I was wondering if it makes any difference if you're bringing them to the US as a range toy.
>>29416619
I think you have to get a temporary form from the ATF before you enter the country
>>29416619
You would need a Form 6 to import. Even then the guns are still banned from entering, even if temporary.
Should I get the 557 Ranger as a first big boi gun? I want something that has iron sights, in 308, and isn't too heavy. LGS has them for around 1300
Any other options in this range?
>>29417949
There's the Ruger Gunsite Scout, the regular Cz550s in 308, the Savage Model 10 FCM Scout, and for a lot cheaper the Savage Hog Hunter.
>>29413620
Youuuuuuuu lucky motherfucker. There's like no info on those optics, and other options suck. Why the fuck are there so few of those things? I've never seen them for sale.
And what's with the 97's front sight? Is it really just like an SKS'
Feel free to add to it
