I would pay good money for a good quality modern 32 pocket pistol. Bonus money if it's a double stack (is that possible with a semi-rim?).
32 is not much worse than 380. It has proven adequate for self-defense for a hundred years, and that's with inferior loadings to what we have today.
cz 82/83 are double stack available in .32, labeled as 7.65 Browning rather
>>29402935
There's been a handful of doublestack .32s so it is indeed possible.
I concur that it's also very under appreciated in the US and is imo the best round to shoot out of PP style handguns, especially PPK sized ones
>mfw bond faggots buy .380 PPK/ses in droves
Absolutely disgusting
Too bad it's illegal in syrupland
>>29402935
.25 ACP too. Due to the .25 ACP's size, a company could fit a double stack .25 ACP magazine into a .380 pistol like the Ruger LCP if they made the grip ~.1" wider and they'd end up with more than twice the capacity.
>>29403093
>>29403093
Yeah, people buy LCPs and then put the hogue grips on them to make them usable. It makes me angry that we could have twice as many rounds of a more controllable caliber in the same sized package.
Fucking fudds making people think diameter trumps everything.
You shouldnt be firing off 20 rounds in a defensive situation. You don't need more rounds. You need to learn how to shoot so that you can stop the threat in few rounds. The only reason to use these small calibers is because their low power lends them to use in small, lightweight guns. Doubling the magazine capacity isn't really anyone's concern.
>>29403165
>>29403093
>less muzzle energy than .22LR
>second highest failure rate
>only beat by .32
>people thinking this makes for a good defense gun
>>29403302
>less muzzle energy then .22
Patently false out of a pocketgun barrel
Go read ballistics by the inch instead of wikipedia next time
.25 ACP > .32 ACP
>>29403193
You may not need all of the rounds in your gun, but it's good to have them. That's why people fully load their magazines instead of underloading them to save on weight.
Smaller calibers are easier to shoot, especially in tiny guns. Most people don't spend much time at the range. It's better for them to have a gun with more forgiving recoil and more forgiving capacity.
>>29403302
Can you blame the round for a Cobra's failure rate?
>>29403302
>>less muzzle energy than .22LR
Only when you're comparing .25 ACP from a 2.4" barrel to .22lr from a rifle
>>second highest failure rate
>>only beat by .32
>still believing those ridiculous stopping power studies that don't take into account how much people practice and that most modern .22, .25, and .32 pistols are cheap and low quality, and that people who can't afford anything more are unlikely to be able to afford to practice
Seriously, pretty much all .22 pistols small enough for carry, .25 pistols, and .32 pistols for the past couple decades have been shitty SNSes that will break down if you shoot them a lot to practice with them. This problem with those studies should be obvious to anyone when they show a massive drop in effectiveness that coincides with calibers normally only found in SNSes.
Beyond that, .25 ACP ball will penetrate 14"-15" into ballistics gel from a 2"-2.4" barrel and is enough to put someone down if you do your part with good shot placement, and 15 chances for good enough shot placement >>>>>> 7 chances.
While we're all daydreaming, how cool would it be to have a smaller caliber full sized gun with 30 round capacity and a selector for a 3 shot burst?
>>29402935
If you need something of this sort, why not simply update it? Lengthen it to match .45ACP, make it rimless, and call it a .31, to evade bans on .32 calibers.
.32 ACP is a caliber that performs better than people expect especially out of small to mid size pistols. The problem is most guns chambered for it are of the micro compact variety with 2 inches or less of barrel and almost nonexistant sights.
>>29403302
I call shenanigans, was there an equal sampling of .25ACPs to .22 considering it's a much less common round?
>>29403704
See >>29403502 for an explanation for the ridiculous drop off in effectiveness.
>>29402935
>32 is not much worse than 380
Yeah, having enough penetration to reliably hit vital organs is for pussies.
I have one of these and it is a decent gun. Heavy for what it is, but reliable and accurate.
>stopping power is a myth .45 is for retards get 9mm
>anything less than 9MM lacks adequate stopping power
sweating intensifies
>>29403686
where2cop colt hammerless?
Online?
>>29403686
Excellent taste there, especially mirin the cheetah
>>29403743
>not enough penetration
>ball ammo that tumbles penetrates 12"-14"
>ball ammo that doesn't tumble penetrates to 18"
How much more penetration do you need?
>there are people who don't like .32acp
>>29403732
Makes sense.
A lot of sense.
Shot placement is literally everything, when you graze their leg with a fucking 30-06 you're not going to do a whole lot of good.
got a sauer 38H, I'll have see if i can find a sauer 1913
>>29403781
> blatantly lying
Post source. 18" is a good standard for defense.
![image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/m8DxZKe.jpg "image[1].jpg")
>>29403781
This is 'Merica we're talking about here.
>>29403764
The 1903 was from a local classifieds ad on a gunforum.
>>29403773
Thanks bruh. That Beretta 81 is my newest. Got it mostly for novelty and .32 is just pleasant to shoot but now that I've used it a bunch I might actually carry it in the summer.
I prefer 9mm for carry but I kinda see why .32 ACP was popular in guns this size for so long. Super light recoil and it will go deep enough to hit vitals. With something like the Beretta you can almost effortlessly mag dump 13 rounds into someones face just point shooting.
>>29403368
As far as overall design sure since .32 is semi rimmed and tapered as Fuck.
Then you have things like .32NAA
>>29403847
>The 1903 was from a local classifieds ad on a gunforum.
I'm gonna have to look hard for one in decent condition, aren't I?
>tfw unironically developed a liking for the Colt Hammerless ever since I finished watching Boardwalk Empire
It would be neat to see what a high-pressure, longer .32 caliber round could do.
>>29403842
Here's a source on a lot of .380 HP ammo acting a he'll of a lot like ball and over penetrating like crazy.
Also 18" is not a good standard, it's the absolute maximum desirable. After that it's exited the body, wasted energy and is potentially on it's way to something you don't want to hit.
Unless you're shooting fucking ROUS
>>29403842
14" is FBI standard
>>29403302
I'd shake the hand of the man that survives a .357 and actually escaped capture
Is a 32acp cylinder worth it for my Nagant revolver?
>>29403920
So like a tokarev?
>>29403972
It's .32 s&w not acp.
>>29403885
They are out there for reasonable prices but it can be hard. Anything older with Colt stamped on it leads to mouthbreathing fudds thinking it's worth all the money ever and rare even though they are common as fuck.
I've seen decent condition blued 1903s on gunbroker for $600ish. There's also the occasional refinished or aftermarket nickel plated gun for $500 or less, those you can find in local shops most places if you look around.
>>29403842
Don't remember where I saw it but it was Buffalo Bore's hard cast .32 ACP that did it. I can give you sources for .25 ACP ball penetrating 15" from a 2.4" barrel and .380 ball penetrating 21" from a 2.8" barrel:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Ballistic%20Gelatin%20Tests/25%20ACP%2010%20Percent%20Ballistic%20Gelatin.html
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Ballistic%20Gelatin%20Tests/380%20ACP%2010%20Percent%20Ballistic%20Gelatin.html
>>29403821
1. Have a gun
2. Shoot it until you hit something important
A pocketable high capacity gun with controllable recoil sounds like the right gun for most people.
>>29404003
They sell dedicated 32acp cylinders
>>29402935
I love 25acp and 32 acp, they will fucking rek your shit with good shot placement
>>29403302
357 true master race?
>>29404111
Huh well fuck me. Definitively worth it for availability then.
>>29404014
Found a Fuck ugly 1908 for about $200 locally. Finish is vestigial but the metals good so it should be serviceable.
Thats 200 bucks that could be ammo, mags, or something way more useful but a classic is a classic
>>29404175
Unless there's some major need for more ammo or mags there's nothing wrong with buying something just because you like it. Gotta consider they don't make them anymore either.
If the metal is good and it is ok functionally buy that sucker. Get some fresh springs from Wolff, replacement parts from Numrich if you need them, then have it refinished. You'll have a kick ass little pistol that will hopefully shoot for another 100 years.
Best ccw setup coming through
16 rounds is p.goodq
>>29404489
Does anybody actually ever carry with a suppressor?
>>29404513
Would you ever hear about it if they did?
>>29403997
But not bottlenecked so you could have more mag capacity
>>29404513
Easier than carrying some earmuffs
>>29403091
No, pistols in .32 are. Which is why the Skorpion is classified as a rifle. :^)
>>29404489
so jelly, i love 32acp steel frames and I'm pissed off that it's so hard to get these now
>>29402935
I'd love to find a CA legal .32 pistol. No such animal.
>>29404572
So is the stock welded in place?
>>29404572
Can you get Skorpions with the stock fixed in place and a fake suppressor to bring the OAL to 26" in Canada?
>>29404588
Not on that bullshit list?
>>29404576
http://www.jgsales.com/feg-ap-7.65-semi-auto-pistol,-32acp,-blued,-good-to-very-good-condition,-used.-p-70321.html
SOG has one as well
Both single stack
I'd find a double stack CZ on gunbroker or something
>>29404592
Nope, functions.
>>29404611
I suppose you could get something like that done, but I prefer it like this.
>>29402935
What state are you in?
Do you like rohrbaugh?
>>29404553
>>29404137
Enough recoil and low capacity to force users to aim as hard as they can for perfect placement.
Not so much recoil that you flinch from the sound and wrist force like a .44 Mag.
Also includes .357 SIG, which is special snowflake for some highway patrolmen, Federal Air Marshals, and Secret Service, the latter two tending to focus on shot placement during marksmanship qualification.
>>29404014
A pawnshop near me has either a colt with FN grips, or an FN with colt grips, dont remember which. Either way its nickel and beat to shit.
>saw it a few years ago
>instantly wanted it
>$300
>pass it up cause won't be 21 for a few months
>year later go back
>still there
>$250
>decide I'd rather get something in 9mm, leave
>go back after another year (last month)
>still there
>$200
Maybe I can work him down a little. But It needed a lot of work, and I'm alergic to nickel.
>>29404553
Assuming it was a law abiding citizen that ever had to use it, yes. It would be on the news for a year till they decided if he was a hit man and if suppressors should be banned forever
>>29405654
Ask to test fire it, but that you will buy it either way
If it works, say you'll give him $180
If it doesn't work, say you'll give him $150
Or something like that
>>29406178
>ask to test fire
>gun is in a pawn shop
thats not how that works anon
Anyways, the functionality isn't in question, I know it works. Its just got some funky ass mismatched parts, and looks like someone dropped it on the pavement if I remember correctly.
I'll go look at it tomorrow and post pics I guess.
>>29404588
Seecamp .32acp. Its a good gun
>grandpa wants me to take a look at an old .32 he has
>he doesn't know anything about it except that it's a colt
>heart goes doki doki
>brings it in, it's a good condition 1903 hammerless
>serial number lookup says its 100 years old
>shoot 50 rounds through it later
>functions great
>one of the better shooting handguns I've ever shot
Designed by JMB and made by Colt, result is literally sex in the palm
>>29404572
How hard was it to find a skorpion in Canada? How much
