While the SAA with Russian support achieved a great victory in Palmyra, American trained Iraqi forces have been French'ed by a handful of ISIS fighters once again. And an US Marine had to pay the price for it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/26/iraqi-soldiers-flee-again-in-iraq-army-s-first-mosul-operation.html
>After a U.S. Marine was killed defending a position abandoned by Iraqi troops, they were supposed to have toughened up. … Nope.
>TEL REEM, Iraq – At first, Iraqi soldiers involved in an operation to capture villages close to Mosul on Friday were in good spirits. “Allah Akbar,” Arabic for “God is Great,” they shouted after they hit an alleged Islamic State (ISIS) suicide bomber with US-provided mortars. But just one hour later many of them fled, fearing ISIS would strike back.
Why are American trained dogs so bad?
>Worthless NCOs
>Worthless officers with no real power
>Poorly trained soldiers
>No morale or interest in actually fighting
SAA grunts aren't exactly exceptional either, but atleast they have a functional officer core and certain "special force" groups that are actually combat effective, like the Tigers or Cheetahs and whatnot.
Fuck it. Why are we even bombing outside of Kurdish areas? These Arab shitskins clearly don't want their country back. Just support an independent Kurdistan.
>>29399522
aren't there confirmed russian deaths? isn't the fact that Russia had to hold the SAA's hand to take a tiny city in the middle of nowhere the problem? isn't the problem that the SAA lost 80% of the country and so 10s of thousands of iranian, lebanese and iraqi militias had to come in to help?
Heck, who lost palmyra in a few days? who lost idlib? morek? raqqa? etc...........
the fact the SAA had to get a huge ceasefire and move thousands of men from many fronts to take palmyra na then still necessitating russian support while having total air superiority highlights the fact that russia has a done a shit job in syria too.
>>29399522
>Why are American trained dogs so bad?
American trained arabs are still only arabs.
They can't help it if their inferior genes make them huge cowards as well as huge idiots.
>>29399522
>Crap Officers
>Poorly developed and inexperienced NCOs
>Have suffered continuous defeat, morale has likely gone to shit
>Haphazardly trained soldiers
Even well trained, disciplined soldiers can break if not lead well and their commanders allow morale to sink to a low enough level. When you have a half trained force like the iraqi army, and stick them with utter crap for leaders and shitty equipment, its not surprising that they fall to pieces at the first sign of opposition
Think about it, if you were in there boots, barely trained, with crappy leadership that doesn't give a single fuck about you and only a small force of actually competent foreign soldiers there to back you up, would you stay to be slaughtered?
The average Syrian soldier probably doesn't differ to much from the average Iraqi in terms of motivation, but he's likely better lead and better trained
>>29399603
>the fact the SAA had to get a huge ceasefire
Which doesn't actually include anyone of import, considering no terrorist organizations took part in it and half the "moderate" rebels are dependent on those very organizations.
>>29399634
the SAA still stopped their latakia, south aleppo, hama, homs, daraa etc.. offensives
Boots onna ground baby
>>29399603
>many fronts
>complaining about poor performance
having multiple fronts is the most fucked up situation you can have in a war, I'm sure you're aware of that. And in Syria it's not always a conventional warfare, that's why Russians need guidance from the ground, because ISIS and Al-Nusrat fucks don't have bases and checkpoints, they hide in residential buildings, as 1 Syrian soldier explained few years ago
>>29399656
and how many fronts do you think ISIS has? it has no airforce, negligible armour, poor training etc.... yet it took palmyra and then 10 MONTHS later the SAA took it back with extensive russia and iranian support.
if the SAA wasn't so shit, they wouldn't have so many fronts.
>>29399522
>American
>had to pay the price for it.
why they even there .. doh
>>29399606
Aren't ISIS fighters mostly arab as well? They aren't so eager to run.
>>29399645
Damn those goalposts moved a lot. They've kept pushing in half of those and have stopped in some after reaching strategic objectives. The SAA is making continuous gains and is slaughtering ISIS and other rebels alike.
No reason to fight when every US presidental candidate promises to have boots on the ground in Iraq when elected.
>>29399677
Well obviously. All Arab armies are shit. SAA is currently less shit than most, since it's got years of experience in combat as well as Russian advisors and training.
>>29399705
They don't have a strict military hierarchy either. They're highly ineffective as a fighting force.
>>29399585
>These Arab shitskins clearly don't want their country back.
>their country
So Arabs, who are notoriously tribal, don't give a shit about a country arbitrarily drawn into existence by some Brit 100 years ago?
Shocking.
>>29399714
They seem to be doing okay for guys with no air support and two of the world's most powerful air forces going after them.
I realize they're getting pushed back, but if America and Russia hadn't gotten involved when they did they'd have slaughtered the Kurds and probably the SAA by now. Isn't that why Russia got involved?
>>29399677
>poor training
you confuse them with Taliban.
'islamic state' is still understimated. media should stop giving them nicknames or call them "so called" .. this is what them make so strong.
never underestimate your enemy
-art of war
>>29399705
Chechens and converted Europeans do most of the fighting. Arabs on either side are nothing but cannon fodder, the difference being, ISIS Arabs are religious fanatics.
>>29399746
No, Russia used it as a chance to show they can still support military intervention beyond their borders. The Chinese sent 1,000 marines too.
>>29399746
Pic related as well as Syria being Russia's ally and Russia practicing force projection with its modernized doctrines and forces. It's also great training for their pilots, since the opposition has no reliable anti-air, it's essentially a continuous live-fire excercise for them.
>>29399760
wrong. most of them are lybians, marrocans, algerians
>>29399746
>>29399777
>but if America hadn't gotten involved
You mean supplying Islamist rebels with weaponry? Aside from the occasional air strike and special forces operating here and there, the US hasn't exactly been working for stability in Syria. Where do you think the rebels got their TOWs from?
>>29399522
>be Marine
>get sent to fight for Israel AGAIN
>hear snackbars from "friendly" forces
>hear snackbars from ISIS
>"friendly" troops run away
>get snackbar'd
Fucking Obama.
>>29399790
>TOWs from?
jordan
>>29399760
No. Most of the fighting is done by Syrians and offensive operations are conducted by their "special forces", which are in fact just properly trained infantry with motivation. The problem Syria has is that it's average forces aren't capable of efficient offensive operations, so they have to rely on a limited amount of troops, which continuously get mobilized to the other side of the country for attacks only they can conduct. The forces are also lead by an animated wax doll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Forces
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/cheetah-forces-lift-the-three-year-long-siege-of-the-kuweires-military-airbase/
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/syrian-commander-with-a-cult-following-has-some-syrians-calling-for-him-to-replace-assad/news-story/e773cd76cea204721cc4bf03a5b2da33
>>29399714
>SAA is currently less shit than most
Don't kid yourself. SAA is pretty much the same shit as Iraqis, but they have Hezbollah, Iranian and possibly Russian infantry doing most of the job on the ground for them. Syrians just mop up the holdouts, pose for the camera and give interviews to RT.
>>29399784
>wrong. most of them are lybians, marrocans, algerians
this is releated to islamic state
>>29399820
is he wearing mossy oak??
>>29399815
The US is well known for supporting rebel groups and the government used FSA as a "moderate" front for years, despite it being infected by Islamist groups from the start. Honestly, I think it's quite clear they're US supplied and approved. They're after all a few decades old TOW-2s without top-attack features. Giving them out is no great loss.
>The weapons were not directly provided by the United States. “Friends of Syria” delivered them, he said, referring to the U.S.-backed alliance of Western powers and Persian Gulf Arab states established to support the opposition Free Syrian Army. The rebels had to promise to return the canister of each missile fired, to not resell the weapons and to protect them from theft.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-rebels-who-received-first-us-missiles-of-war-see-shipment-as-an-important-first-step/2014/04/27/61ec84d8-0f53-4c9f-bf0a-c3395819c540_story.html?hpid=z1
>Awda declined to offer further details of the provenance of the missiles. But he said the donors made clear to him that the delivery had U.S. approval, and U.S. officials have confirmed that they endorsed the supply.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/syrian-opposition-fighters-obtain-us-made-tow-anti-tank-missiles/2014/04/16/62d1a6f6-c4e8-11e3-b574-f8748871856a_story.html
>>29399831
Yes, SAA in general is complete shit, but as I said, they do have some competent forces.
>>29399820
I'm not certain how good the Russian trained troops are, but I was told they only have around 3 months of training, so it might be a bit questionable. Though modern, efficient training will turn them into far superior troops in that time, if they actually take it to heart.
>>29399874
Of course.
>>29399820
Excellent facial hair I gotta say. His flavor savor is so squared.
>pour millions of dollars into iraqi military
>cowardly iraqis run away at the first whiff of ISIS
>ISIS gets millions of dollars of US equipment for free
what a fucking joke
>>29399974
Forget this hearts and minds shit. We should have just wiped them all out back in '91.
>>29399522
They say that Muslims are shit fighters unless fighting for their god.
Seems this is just another example.
>>29399993
Honestly, destroying the nation of Iraq and creating some form of tribal nations, or atleast new countries along ethnic lines would have been clever. But then again, stability in the Middle-East isn't what the West wants.
>>29400013
I think we'd be much better off supporting the kurds to a greater extent. They are much more capable and actually like us. And as an added bonus, Turkey would be assblasted
>>29399815
the jordanian king recently pointed the finger at qatar
>>29399522
The SAA can barely take Palmyra.
Sand niggers in general are just awful, awful people and their capacity to wage war does not extend beyond tribal warfare.
>>29399705
The best units in ISIS are manned by rugged white mountain Slavs from the Caucasus and European fanatics.
It takes a White person to even teach these shitskins how to fight for their own Shitskin Allah.
Why are the shit skins so miserably inferior at everything but boy fucking?
>>29399522
>Frenched
Why not Italianed. It's a more accurate assessment.
>>29400624
stay mad baguette
>>29400624
If the iraqi's italianed themselves isis wouldn't be getting functional equipment
>>29399561
Remind us again who trained them?
Oh yes...
>>29399522
>Fliegervisier
Is this Iraqi Chucklefuck trying to shoot down ISIS turboprops or what?
>>29400163
Oh? So now Slavs are white.
Jesus, if there's any argument on how race is based on social constructs, the "white race" is the perfect example. Membership in that club fluctuates depends on political climate.
>>29399731
>Iraqis being filthy cowards
>Better blame the British two centuries ago for this shitskin that won't stay at his post!
>>29400010
To bad US can't ride 'fighting for their god' angle because this god says to kill all Americans.
>>29401268
Is this bait? The US trained rebels in Syria, not the government forces. US trained the bad guys. Again.
>>29401329
The rebels aren't bad guys.
>>29401329
Why did you ignore the first part of that post?
>>29401351
Of course not. They're just radical islamists.
>>29401356
The first part is actually my post as well. My bad.
I recently listened to Jocki Willink on the Sam Harris podcast and one of the first on-topic questions Harris asked Willink was why the Iraqi Army, despite having exceptional numerical superiority, flee in the face of ISIS. I thought his answer was pretty on-point. Essentially, Willink said that was was a contest of wills, and good soldiers must have the will to kill and the will to die. While it's clear ISIS isn't lacking in the will department, the Iraqi Army isn't loyal to Iraq first, they lack the will to die. They're more concerned with their religious sect, their families, their villages, etc. They simply don't have the willpower to drive into ISIS, take some casualties, etc.
>>29401521
Just teach them Islam radicalism m8.
>>29401299
Slavs have assimilated thousands of other tribes.
But the core people are blond warrior-like nomads and pastoralists from the steppes of Central Asia that go back thousands of years.
>>29401557
>slavs
>blonde
>>29400010
It's funny because the way Muslims have their asses penetrated by everyone else, you'd think Allah was on the side of America.
Maybe Allah is punishing Muslims for being boy fuckers and drug users?
>>29399522
Because Iraqi's are insanely cowardice people.
>>29401564
I know you're just a dumb grunt with a bit of high school, so I wouldn't expect you to know much about the complex ethnogenesis and human migrations from the steppe, but yes, try to Google the Tarim Basin mummies.
Thousands of years ago, before even the Greek city states, there were tall blonde nomadic people living across Asia, as far East as Western China.
These people then made inroads into Northern Europe, and hence the blondness found in Germans and Scandinavians etc.
Pic related. This 6'2" tattooed blond man died in Western China approx. 1000 years BC, before the Battle of Troy, before Alexander the Great, before Rome was founded etc.
>>29401613
Slavs came from the west, Finnics and whatever came from the East.
>>29401613
The Tarmin mummies were never confirmed genetically or phenotypically as Slavic, they caucasoid, that's about all that is known. This is beetnigger fan fiction. I suppose you're going to insist the Varna were Slavic too, well...if you actually knew about the Varna. In fact, if you want to go by haplotype comparisons in males, "blonde" slavs are usually that way because their fathers weren't phenotypically or genetically Slavic.
Based on how much more intelligent than me you're supposed to be you sure don't have even the most rudimentary understanding of anthropology OR genetics.
ISIS is nothing but a middle eastern mob. They go to poor villages and tribes and say join us or we kill your village. They join and get free food, health care, etc. In return their boys are trained as "soldiers" women married off and raped, etc. They kill anybody that isn't with them, regardless if they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or whatever. None of that is Islamic. They are nothing more than a political group that wants to spread communism, and need to be taken out. Even Al Qaeda, a real radical Islamic group has $25M bounty on the head of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, $15M more than the US Government.
These "victims" don't give a shit about their religion or country. They give in at the sight of a bag of bread. They are worthless. Just bomb them all and be done with it.
>>29399777
Are you dumb or stupid?
Why bother with a pipeline through Syria at all?
Problem was the only competent Iraqis were the Republican Guard. But since they were loyal to Saddam they were either KIA or sacked after the regime change. The Iraqis that are left are for a large part, unmotivated since the US and NATO were doing most of the work for the longest time.
The SAA on the other hand still has competent elements, but they took a battering before their tactics evolved to fit the situation. I can't tell you how many videos there were of tanks being alone and just getting wrecked by ATGMs or RPGs. They learned their lesson (at a heavy cost) and their men are dedicated and prepared to defend their homeland.
Regardless of supplied equipment and advisors if their heart is not in the fight they will not win. This is the difference between the Iraqis and the Syrians.
>>29401733
Because Russia is the current main supplier of gas into Europe. That US-Turkey pipeline could and would change that. The US is probably behind the anonymous shooters at the student protests back before the war started. It's not the first time the CIA has tried to depose Syria's lawful leader.
>The Qatar-Turkey pipeline is a proposed natural gas pipeline running from the Iranian-Qatari South Pars / North Dome Gas-Condensate field towards Turkey, where it could connect with the Nabucco pipeline to supply European customers as well as Turkey. One route to Turkey is via Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria,[1][2] and another is through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq.[3][4] Syria's rationale for rejecting the Qatar proposal was said to be "to protect the interests of [its] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."[1]
>"The discovery in 2009 of a new gas field near Israel, Lebanon, Cyprus, and Syria opened new possibilities to bypass the Saudi Barrier and to secure a new source of income. Pipelines are in place already in Turkey to receive the gas. Only Al-Assad is in the way. Qatar along with the Turks would like to remove Al-Assad and install the Syrian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the best organized political movement in the chaotic society and can block Saudi Arabia's efforts to install a more fanatical Wahhabi based regime. Once the Brotherhood is in power, the Emir's broad connections with Brotherhood groups throughout the region should make it easy for him to find a friendly ear and an open hand in Damascus." [5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar-Turkey_pipeline
>>29401699
>The Tarmin mummies were never confirmed genetically or phenotypically as Slavic, they caucasoid
God you're stupid. You can't even Google correctly. Fucking dumb pog.
You still don't seem to understand that "Slav" is not one particular genetic type. It's a linguistic group which covers hundreds of races and tribes.
But the proto-Slavic people, the kernel of the current populations in both Scandinavia and Russia and Central Europe, were the blond, tall nomads whose burials are scattered all over Asia.
Todays Slavs are much more hybridized with numerous other races, in the east, the blond races disappeared entirely as they were assimilated into what we know as the Iughurs today.
>>29401733
Pipeline fags are retarded by default.
It's the lazies and stupidest of conspiracy theories.
>>29401648
That's not supported by anyone.
>>29401699
Just helping you out here.
>>29401839
Why the fuck haven't they balkanized off Iraq, and Afghanistan yet?
Fuck me.
>>29401307
Two centuries? You think all those arabs are just going to forgive america for not allowing their sect to dominate the country at one point or another, and not even allowing them a PITTANCE of annexing Kuwait and CLEANSING the Kurds to make the country at least a little less alien? You're insane.
>>29401816
>b-b-but slavic is a language group
>yfw when slavic language groups are nothing like early Indo-European languages
>yfw slavic, unlike turkic, has always referred to an only slightly genetically heterogeneous peoples from the Caucus regions
also
>0326
>pog
Are you even trying?
>>29401851
>All those missing Finno-Ugrics
>>29401900
>recon
>not a POG
Typical recon fag.
gb2COD
>>29401299
Only a handful of idiots on /pol/ says that slavs aren't white.
>>29401900
Slavic is a language group which happens to overlap with some of the people who carry it.
Must be pretty difficult to understand, I know that MOS falls into a pretty low IQ range.
>>29399820
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>>29401903
finno-ugrics are a lie created by the japanese and americans
>>29401927
>>29401557
>Only a handful of idiots on /pol/ says that slavs aren't white.
>Ignoring history
M8 the White race has always been fucking arbitrary. Especially from an Anglo POV
>Oh, the Irish aren't white!
>Italians? Nope.
>Neither is the Spaniard?
>The Slav? Asiatic Tatar.
Late 19th Century up to 1920's in a nutshell
Like I said: the meaning of "white" is fickle as fuck.
>>29401921
>anything in 03xx qualifying as pog
Found the lance
>>29401938
Not until the last tenth of the Holocene, which these mummies predate.
>>29401851
The crazy part is ~2/5ths of the those groups are Turkic per the language groups argument. The Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanian wouldn't be considered slavic since their languages are Uralic and Lettish is rooted deeply in proto-Indo-European.
>>29399603
This post is so inaccurate it's probably bait.
>>29399677
ISIS is a very effective and motivated fighting force.
You also forget that Russia only arrived in October. Nothing in Syria moves quickly.
It's the SAA that's shit. Not Russia.
Pic related
>>29399777
What? Russia got involved in 2015 over a planned pipeline from 2007?
>>29401782
>wikipedia
Arab sources on wikipedia = conspiracies
>>29402111
To stop Assad from falling and being replaced by a NATO puppet.
>>29402111
It's all about power projection, showing off what they can do, the politics and regional politics are tertiary except where-as it threatens in re-radicalize Chechnya.
>>29402052
>Not until the last tenth of the Holocene, which these mummies predate.
You don't even know what you're talking about you retarded ass POG Walmart greeter.
>>29402052
>The crazy part is ~2/5ths of the those groups are Turkic per the language groups argument.
The Turkic people are a hybrid people. Their language comes from the far east.
Why can't they put up a fight?
Surely all they have to do is remember their training and be against ISIS?
Is it just that they're hopelessly retarded like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbK76okexVk ?
Remember the stupid shill line "Russia is not targeting ISIS!!!!!!!!!!"
They said it over and over, even Obombgo.
>>29401268
Train Iraq army they fail, train "Syrian" "rebels" they fail
>>29403115
Yeah, I realize that Turkic is wildly heterogeneous, but the language root is central Asiatic, not eastern Asiatic.
>>29403107
>from the Latin meaning "I can't counter any of this because I don't know enough about it."
Did you dream of being dual cool, lance corporal? What's the matter, they wouldn't give you 032X or 0372 papers with your ASVAB waiver?
>>29403263
Iraqis and Arabic soldiers in general are poorly motivated, and Western training isn't going to change that.
There's also the fact that Iraq's government is highly dysfunctional, and while half of their parliament is willing to work with the US, the other half is virulently opposed, which limits the US' support options.
But that's not to say Iraq isn't gaining ground against ISIS, because they most certainly have.
>>29402059
>this post is bait because it shatters my worldview
>>29399790
>Where do you think the rebels got their TOWs from?
Saudi Arabia
>>29399790
A lot of Arab nations have huge stockpiles of TOWs, and some like Turkey actually manufacture them under license.
>>29403989
Nice shill post.
ISIS and SAA aren't poorly motivated
Is putin still "not targeting ISIS"???
>>29399815
They came direct from Saudi arsenals
You guys realize the United states trained the Iraqis to basically take cover and let US airstrikes and artillery do the work, and to patrol and hold positions?
Take away American air superiority, and you will see American troops crying and preying under trucks while British troops are still . Because we have YouTube videos of that exact thing happening.
We trained the Iraqi army to be fight like us, but as soon as the US left, they no longer had the air superiority.
>>29405940
Please show videos limey
>>29405940
what a coincidence, stumbled upon these webms on russian board just yesterday. upon careful anaylsis we concluded that ugliness of british women makes their men immune to fear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5fgRgAk9uk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOPDUHcAXOc
>>29399628
>shitty equipment
Get a load of this Ameriboo calling American equipment shit!
>>29399522
>have been French'ed
How is this in ANY way comparable to Battle of France? Do you even know what the fuck that is, or are you just repeating facebook memes?
seems just like what happened with South Vietnam
>>29411289
Poorly maintained weaponry is shit no matter who made it.
>>29399731
>So Arabs, who are notoriously tribal, don't give a shit about a country arbitrarily drawn into existence by some Brit 100 years ago?
So all that Iraqi nationalism under Saddam never happened?
>>29411371
The Iraqi nationalists weren't exactly indicative of the majority of the country.
>>29411329
There will be a stalemate and armistice talks, Democrats get voted in and cut of any kind of support, the others get steamrolled and the Democrats declare the war of oppressive shitlords as lost?
>>29399790
That is a leftover from the Gulf War. Hell the contact date is 1990.
Saudi, Jordanian, Fuck maybe even Israeli stores.
>>29411562
>implying Nixon was a democrat
>implying Ford was a democrat
>implying the Democratic Party of the 60s is the Democratic Party of today
Throughout most of American history, the Democrats have been the party of hawks, and this applies to Vietnam as well. The war was started by Democrats, greatly expanded by Democrats, and curtailed by Republicans. If you (rightly) want to criticize the Democrats over their handling of the war, you should be criticizing their decision to make such a strong commitment to a weak ally rather than the decision by Johnson and McNamara to put an upper limit on the American involvement in the war.
>>29401282
Those sights give extra power to the bullet remember?
Allah will direct the bullet to the target.
>>29400013
Or, alternatively, the US could mind it's own fucking business for a change and not drag us into regional strife.
The entire Middle East is destabilized, and the US is responsible. Invaded and ransacked one of the only positive influences in the fucking region and removed Saddam, who was ruthless against the fundamentalist Islamists.
>>29402080
>>29399677
SAA was in a scrambled situation due to the nature of the conflict. Look at Turkey and the kurds, the authorities there dont have control over certain areas. Same with Ukraine, half of Africa, Yemen, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Defeating an unconventional enemy is not something an army can learn overnight especially if it is fighting itself.
>>29401308
this picture is too lewd, pls remove
>>29411371
Pan-Arabic nationalism died when the US invaded, blockaded, bombed, and invaded again.
Twenty years - an entire generation - living with sanctions, airstrikes, and then a decade of full on civil war will do that.
Anyone surprised that the men of that generation aren't willing to fight for the West (if they're not actively carrying arms against the West), has their head up their ass.
The West / US has been their enemy for twenty years, they aren't about to magically switch sides and fight against their own people.
>>29411749
>aren't willing to fight for the West
Is that really how they see it?
Last time I checked, ISIS were killing more Iraqi Muslims than anyone else.
>>29401557
You're probably mistaking them with the historical Rus people (hence Russia, Belarus). They were migrants from a group known as the Varangians, who migrated from Scandinavia. Such is why you see many, many blonde "slavs".
>>29402185
Okay. Why not just make the pipeline through Kurd Iraq and Turkey then?
>>29402213
Or maybe it's to save their ally, Assad. And therefore prove they can protect their other allies in Central Asia.
Why does everyone look for the conspiracy and not the straightforward reason?
>>29404097
>the problem that the SAA lost 80% of the country
This is wrong.
>the fact the SAA had to get a huge ceasefire and move thousands of men from many fronts to take palmyra na then still necessitating russian support while having total air superiority highlights the fact that russia has a done a shit job in syria too.
Pic related is how "shit" a job Russia has done.
Now fuck off. Bait is bait.
>>29404129
America literally says it provides TOWs to certain groups in the FSA...
Not saying it's just the West though. It's mostly Western-supplied weapons that go through our proxies in the Gulf and Turkey.
>>29411680
It wasn't weak until we made it so by killing Diem.
>>29412091
You shouldn't even bother. It's just simply universally accepted that the russians have done a pretty good job conflict-wise.
Don't need to be a shill to see that.
>>29412189
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. While the parade of generals that succeeded Diem proved to be extremely ineffective leaders, Diem himself was a massive fuckup who was completely devoid of both administrative ability and popular support. Are you trying to say that you think the ultimate outcome would have been different if Diem had remained alive?
>>29399522
>Iraqi forces have been French'ed
muh french surrender meme
Thank you for your service.
Let me clear this shit up.
The Iraqi soldiers didn't abandon their equipment and stuff because they were afraid of isis, but because they support Isis.
Literally 90% of the population of mosul prefer isis ruling over the Iraqi government.
It's basically a Sunni shia thing.
Even if the USA sends 100000 troops to mosul and Fallujah it will still be the same, why?
Because you can't just kill civilians that may or may not be Isis supporters of even Isis members.
The clan leaders like what >>29399731 don't give a fuck about Iraq. They just want protection for their own families.
Short story a friend of mine in the peshmarga told me
>be peshmarga soldier on a hill facing a village full of Isis members
>start the attack on the village
>the attack supposedly had a success rate of 75% or something.
>as they got closer Iraqi F-16s came and bombed the road leading to the village 2 times to make sure the Kurds can't enter the village.
This shit happens all the time.
A group of goat fuckers can't take control over the 2nd biggest city in Iraq, no matter how shit the Iraqi army is.
Source : I was born in mosul and lived there for 9 years. And I was in mosul the night ISIS entered
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I'd say Arab armies are in dire need of war commissars.
"In the Soviet Army, it takes more courage to retreat than advance." - Iosif Stalin
