What does /k/ think of Norinco products? I'm eternally salty that our asshat import laws stop me from owning a Type 97.
>>29397003
We can't tell because we haven't been able to get Chinese Firearms since 1993.
>>29397003
Norinco were caught selling guns to LA street gangs. One of the few times I support an import ban.
>>29397003
Its not really an asshat move when the company tried to knowingly illegally import F/A weapons to sell to gangs.
Norinco is basically banned by name.
Fuck em, quite honestly. Back in the day their guns ranged from shitty to plain unsafe. Now it ranges from shitty to meh (based on canuk reports)
>>29397041
>Fuck em, quite honestly. Back in the day their guns ranged from shitty to plain unsafe. Now it ranges from shitty to meh (based on canuk reports)
LITERALLY RETARDED.
>>29397030
>>29397041
So? Some other Chinese importer was trying to sell Nork AKs to known drug cartel members. Why is it when Norinco does it it's all of a sudden a problem.
>>29397030
But I waaaaaant them
>>29397041
>Back in the day their guns ranged from shitty to plain unsafe. Now it ranges from shitty to meh (based on canuk reports)
I haven't heard that at all. Their 1911s and AKs are supposedly extremely good.
>>29397064
because these two are no gun fuckfags who wouldn't know what a quality firearm is if you bashed their skulls in with one.
I would take a Norinco M14 receiver over a springfield one. I would take a Norinco 1911 over a springfield one. And I would go to GREAT length to acquire a Norinco Type 81.
>>29397041
>implying it wasn't a honeypot
>>29397041
>from shitty to meh
m8, they're selling a complete, functional if a little rough M14 clone for less than $500 US. If they were imported in amounts large enough for the US market they'd be much less.
For that price I can certainly accept it not being flawless.
>>29397091
Which Norinco still willingly got trapped by. At the end of the day, getting tricked into selling illegal shit to law enforcement, still means you were trying to sell illegal shit.
>>29397062
I AM SILLY
>>29397064
Yes, and they should be banned too. Its also an issue of knowlege. There is a difference between some low level guy smuggleing a few guns here and there, and the company shipping a shipping container full of illegal guns.
>>29397068
Any canuk that has knowlege of both sides of the border will give unbiased reports.
The canidians are happy with what they can get in most cases. However their aks are useable (thus "good" by ak standards, they are not near MOA machines), their m1as are useable as well, but i take issue with their 1911s. They are like century FALs, its a roll of the dice.
>>29397003
I own a Type 56S-2 (pictured here with a 30 round clip) and it's top notch. I also own a Norinco SKS and it's fantastic as well. Furniture is made of chu wood which is incredibly soft, so as long as you're not one of those guys who freaks out about every little ding on your rifle you're fine on that part. I've only ever had one malfunction with my 56S-2 and that was likely because I buy TulAmmo and it was likely just an issue with the ammo itself. It was only a failure to properly eject so it wasn't anything bad at all.
>>29397068
I own a Chink AK. Can confirm.
>>29397109
How are they compared to springfield m1a's?
>>29397113
who the fuck cares? It's not Norinco shooting up civilians on drug induced rampages. You think the body count would be considerably less if the gangsters switched to semi autos? Look at the shooting statistics today.
>>29397109
Yes, the m14 is meh. Its nothing special, its just cheap.
>I would take a Norinco M14 receiver over a springfield one. I would take a Norinco 1911 over a springfield one.
Then you are stupid. The only thing they have going for them is price.
>And I would go to GREAT length to acquire a Norinco Type 81.
The type 81 is hyped in canidia becuase its one of the few "scurry assault weapons" they have.
Retarded saftey/selector, asinine optic height, and low build quality makes it at best a meh rifle. Even unbiased Canadian reviewers state this.
The only thing a US type 81 would have going for it is uniqueness and price.
>>29397003
They're decent. Depends on the model of gun, I guess. They put more effort into models that sell more/garner more attention, assigning them to the better factories. Guns like the Type 97, M305, CQ series (AR clones), 870 clones and their SiG and 1911 clones are pretty fucking good for the money.
Usually the rule of thumb is that you'll need to do a few minor things, like polish feed ramps or replace the sights with a better equivalent. The finish won't always be pretty, but it'll run well, and be much cheaper.
Some people don't like them (or give you the elitist WHY DONT YOU BUY A $3k DD AR INSTEAD OF A $600 NORC WHAAA attitude), but I, and most people I've spoken to, have little or no issue with them.
>>29397139
>who the fuck cares? It's not Norinco shooting up civilians on drug induced rampages.
It is Norinco attempting to sell things to people legally prohibited from owning those things, which is a felony.
>>29397125
you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
I own a pre ban Norinco sporter and a polytech legend. Top fucking quality firearms.
You know what I take issue with? Your RAMPANT STUPIDITY.
>>29397003
Only guns I want from them is an NHM 91 and Polytech Legend, unless you guys know where I can get another decent RPK and type 3 AK 47 clone.
>mfw I missed out on the insane AES-10b deal.
>>29397003
I don't care about their guns.
They made cheap and decent ammo
They made cheap and decent ammo
They made cheap and decent ammo
>>29397165
Agreed. Pre-ban Norinco rifles are absolutely fantastic. A pretty penny, but both sexy looking and incredibly high quality. Hell, you can really feel the difference in quality between picking up a WASR or an Arsenal and picking up a Norinco.
>>29397126
Oh, norinco sks's are actually good, and compareable to other well made sks's of their time period, from MOA to build quality. I forgot about those.
Norinco AKs are honestly nothing special. Their build quality is meh (not 10/69 mind you, but not Arsenal quality in the slightest).
>>29397151
>low build quality
listen bitch, I know guns are scary for you, and you don't handle a lot of them due to your pussyass vagina and lack of financial resources, but don't talk about shit you don't know, ok?
Bed time for you, son.
>tfw no legend
>>29397204
>Norinco AKs are honestly nothing special. Their build quality is meh
listen bitch, you need to shut the fuck up. It's very clear you've NEVER owned one.
>>29397210
(You)
>>29397192
An arsenal is far better than a poly in both quality and function. This is undebateable.
>>29397165
It sounds like you are emotionally invested in a rare (which is not a bad thing) but average tier rifle. We get it, you got a preban. That does not make it the greatest rifle ever made.
>>29397221
No, i honestly have not. I have handled them plenty comeing in and out of the shop, and they are nothing special at all.
As i said, a bulgy is just better in every conceivable metric.
They are collectable, yes, but again that does not make them great rifles.
>>29397233
it sounds like your pussy faggit hands have never touched the surfaces of a true Norinco AK, or the skin of a women that isn't your mother.
shut your whore mouth and go to sleep.
![[Raughs].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RIrSWAd.jpg "[Raughs].jpg")
>>29397233
>An arsenal is far better than a poly in both quality and function. This is undebateable.
>>29397030
>norinco was caught selling guns to gangs
Our government does that daily and I don't see anything happening to them.
>>29397204
I've handled a couple Arsenals and they never felt quite as good as my Norinco. Though, could just be I hit the lotto with my Norinco. Guess I'll have to finger fuck a few more guns to find out.
>>29397151
Are you confusing the 81 with the 97?
And there are plenty of "scurry assault weapons" in Canuckistan. We like the 97 because it's a fun, pretty decent quality 5.56 bullpup that we can run around innawoods with that isn't a retardedly overpriced Tavor.
>>29397251
Sounds like you are extremely upset, to be frank.
They are meh rifles. They honestly are not even better than converted saiga's. Bulgys blow them out of the rifle.
You got a preban. Wooo. Its a collector rifle. Does not make it good. I would not buy a norinco for a shooter. They are worth to much to treat like a wasr and do not have the quality of an arsenal.
They are meh rifles through and through.
>>29397003
I kinda find it sad that people like the Chinese and countries with arms restrictive laws don't get to enjoy the fruits of their own industry
>>29397286
I was indeed, it is getting late.
The 97, the orginal imports, had a litney of reviewers that panned it based on my aforementioned issues.
A new model was supposed to come in that addressed the issue, but i heard it got canned. I actually got to shoot the bullpup on a hunting trip. Its neat, but i generally agree with said reviewers.
>>29397355
How did you get your hands on a Gen 1 Type 97? Only like 150 were imported before mounties threw their shitfit and they had to be returned.
>>29397290
>They are meh rifles through and through.
you have a meh brain through and through. Polytech and Norinco for AKs. Accept no substitutes (except maybe Polish original deal samples)
>>29397308
>tfw no qt commie gf
>>29397364
nigga, 81 is coming back to maple leaf land.
>>29397364
It was back in late 13'. Idk if a smaller batch of rifles got introduced before it or whatever.
>>29397370
Again, the only thing norincos have going for them is rarity.
Without a ban, they would be somewhere between wasr and arsenal.
>>29397355
The new version (The Type 97NSR) is a very fun rifle. The trigger is better than the old version (had to be reworked to be allowed back in), but the safety and mag release are still odd. I find practice is necessary. The high mount isn't actually that bad, but I've never tried slapping an optic on one. You can also buy flat-top uppers, but the rifle must be permanently altered. Personally, I like the standard version. It's very comfortable to shoot. And while some elitist fags turn their noses up at Norc guns, I found the build quality to be no worse than the average entry-mid level AR. Maybe it's just me, but the odd ergos weren't that bad.
>>29397402
I was talking about the Type 97, not the Type 81.
>>29397427
I didnt get to strip it, but i generally agree with the reviewers who complain about the ergos. Bad saftey placement, bad optic height, its just a bad design imo. There are plenty better, the aug being a big one. The trigger was better than expected, but nothing to write home about. It was better than the base aug trigger, but not better than an aug with a trigger tamer. The tavor is better than both. Obviously.
I own multiple Norinco firearms, an 84S-3, a Mak 90, a SKS-M/D?, and a tokarev type pistol.
All are top tier. Chink guns are the fucking tits. They are amazing at copying things.
>>29397522
The safety is certainly in an odd spot, but I found that, with a bit of practice, I figured out which way felt best for me. I didn't get to try an optic, but they do make mounts, so I bet it can be done. And the height is a very comfortable chin weld, but zeroing an optic high over bore like that, while doable, would be interesting.
The Tavor does do it better, but let's be frank-the T97 is a third of the price. That $2,000 difference buys a lot of 5.56. And not a lot of people want to burn $3k like that.
>>29397572
Oh, i would compare the t97 to the aug.
Both are compareibly priced. Hell, even an MSAR (when they were still around at the time) might have been able to be had for at the same price point.
And the aug is so much more better designed, and the styer aug has a much better build quality.
The tavor is not the only game in town.
>>29397640
For us filthy syrups, it pretty much is. The Tavor, RFB, FS2000, etc, are all very expensive, in the $2-3k+ range. The Type 97, while it isn't as great, is less than $1k, so they have the market to themselves there.
>>29397792
Oh, i was speaking as an american, under the assumption that the type 97 is available here and how it would fare.
Like i said, you syrups are happy for any bone thrown your way.
>>29397041
I know you think made in china means crap but the fuckers can make good guns
>>29397839
No, as i stated and explained, their collectable due to the ban, but their guns build quality and performance by and in large is at best meh. Its just ok, average.
>>29397824
Not entirely. We like Norc guns because they're inexpensive, and good-to-great quality for what you pay. Our markets are simply different. We gobble up cheap M14 clones and scary black bullpups or 1911 clones because why the fuck wouldn't we? They're there, and the price is good. And occasionally they release fun things, like those SiG clones in 7.62x25. It has nothing to do with being "starved".
>>29397003
I use a Norinco 97 for my SASS shooting. 4 years of shooting it and i cant recall any issues.
Also have a zhong zhou machine works 1887.
I took both apart and gave them a basic action job before firing a single shot through. burs were a bitch on the 87. were "eh" on the 97. some bad ones but it was mostly ok. I also modded my 97's mag to load up 6 shots so i can do wild bunch matches.
All in all the 87 is rough but its a range toy. My 97 runs like butter though.
mmmmm 97 sexyness.
>>29397898
I could not disagree more on the good to great part.
The build quality is average at best, accuracy average at best, they are just average rifles at a lower cost.
At the top end of the norc spectrum their rifles are just....meh. Nothing great or fantastic. Nothing wrong either, just meh.
At the bottom end you got some really iffy firearms, especially in their 1911s.
>>29397247
>>29397204
>I know nothing about ak's
>>29397931
My 1887 was like butter out of the box oddly enough
>>29397974
Funny, the 1911s are well-liked up here, for both price and quality for the money. Most people getting into the sport can afford a Norc Sig. Not everyone can afford a real Sig. And the clone will be cheaper, but still have a reasonably good fit and finish, while letting you breathe easy, knowing that it'll work decently without exploding in your hand.
Like I said, Norc guns are popular for a reason. Maybe you simply had a lemon?
>>29397003
Ive owned 2 Norinco SKS, a Norinco NHM90, Norinco AR and a couple Norinco 870 clones.
The SKS were crude but functional, unfortunately one had a shitty aftermarket magazine due to import laws, which caused feeding issues so i eventually sold it.
The NHM is a decent AK, never had a problem with it, though the finish isnt the best looking and some of the edges are a bit rough internally, decent for the price.
The AR has some ugly tool marks on the bolt carrier, and the finish has some black paint over parts, possibly from initial application, functions flawlessly, however had some wobble till I dropped a wedge in there.
With the 870s, the ones Ive tried have been fine, well made, nice finish, but one had a misaligned magazine tube, meaning the barrel pointed at an angle from the receiver, worked ok, but it bothered me, so sold it on.
>>29397003
The m305 is literally made on the same tooling dies as the Springfields just the finish is not as nice
>>29398016
When you can get your 1911 down to bare steel by rubbing on it with your finger, it's a sign tripfriend.
Internally, its full of machine marks and whatnot.
Chinese products are generally known to be excellent. Its a shame they are not sold easily.
>>29398050
Norinco 1911s are known for their steel quality, not their fit and finish
>>29398027
very common misconception, it actually isn't.
Norinco is a distributor, not an actual manufacturer.
So not all norinco marked guns are made in the same factory, most of the time they're made in a bunch of different ones. A lot of times a factory that made a certain gun will be tied up with an order and a different factory will take over the order resulting in differing qualities etc.
>>29398182
The fit of any 1911 is paramount to its operation. It HAS to be right, or else you will have issues with locking up (and norc 1911s do have this issue aplenty).
The finish is again, something i would consider towards the overall quality of the firearm
>>29398234
Have any sources on norinco 1911s having issues?
This is pretty much the first I've heard of it. Most people say they're on par with RIA in fit and greatly exceed them in metallurgy
>>29398242
A simple google would go a long way here anon.
>>29398242
RIA is Philippines. If you want to support the backstabbing philippinos instead of buying superior Chinese then it is your loss
>>29397041
>trying to solve the black issue in America
>this is villainous
So when the CIA sells heroin to basketball Americans, it's fine.
But when capitalists attempt to sell fun, it's unethical?
>>29398380
>china
>not red
Keked heartily
>>29397184
this
I JUST WANT CHEAP AS FUCK 7.62x39, MAYBE A COOL SKS-D OR SOMETHING TOO
>>29398384
They stopped being hard line Communist in the early 80s, mate.
>spend 200 dollars for brand name labels on house wines
Truly the face of Communism.
>>29398384
>>29398411
Commie is a commie, friend.
Better dead than red.
>>29398411
This, The modern CPC is nearly entirely removed from the mao model
>>29398351
>Norinco
>Makes 1911 clones for pure $$$$
Vs.
>RIA
>Philippines
>The land in love with the 1911.
>That cherishes that pistol and enshrines it in their culture.
>>29398423
>>29398418
Politically? Hell no.
Honestly, thats all that matters. A snap of the fingers and its right back to whatever economic system is the rulers fancy.
The party holds all the power.
>>29398431
>implying we're saying China is pure capitalistic.
China's current system is in a league of its own. It gives both Commies and Capitalists the middle finger.
Hence the Euphemism of Deng: "We're practicing capitalism but with Chinese characteristics."
>>29398431
That hardly changes the fact that modern china is hardly communist. At least call it what it is, authoritarian state capitalism
>>29398445
>>29398442
What it actually is, is a socialist one party state.
A vast, vast majority of industry is state owned or controlled.
>>29398531
the vast majority of enterprise being owned by the state doesn't necessarily make a system socialist. At the very least china's is a mixed economy
>>29398543
When the government has the option to take over any dometic company of its chooseing, and total domestic stock market control, yes, it very much is a socialist country, by definition.
Having a T97 and M305 I can say it's a good company with some great price for product ratios. Quality is more often good than not and we get to see some cool firearms that nobody else would bring to the table.
>>29398531
It is an asian developmental state.
Read some fucking books.
The vast majority of asian economies and "Tiger States" grew with that model of state-led industrial policy, de-facto state owned enterprises (Cheabol in SK, Keireitsu in Japan) and export oriented economic policy, all dominated by a de-facto single party states that held power over informal networks and clan-structures in the companies (South Korea's military dictatorship and Japan's 60 year unbroken LDP self-rule was pretty much single party).
China's only different that the single party happens to be a 'socialist' one.
I own a m305 and its pretty ok. Surprisingly decent barrel. I would rate it better or the same as SA barrels. However the gun it self is pretty rough, the rear sight completely crapped out on me and I replaced it with a italian m1 garand rear sight.
Norinco products vary largely from quiet good quality to absolute garbage. .buyer beware
All I need is a polytech legend and then I can die happy.
>>29397003
pretty good m8
owned a t97, great little bullpup
>>29397003
You're salty? I'm salty that the proper optic for the Type 97 never gets exported.
>>29402003
Based from what I've read they're even shittier than the ones on AUG.
Besides, afaik all them T97 that are sold in canuckistan are flat-top version. Why even bother?
>>29402047
Actually, a good chunk sold here are the "standard" upper version with its proprietary rail. I just ordered one, having shot one and loved it. I'll probably slap on a picatinny rail, but to have the "proper" optic would be nice.
>>29398428
>china
>build their shit in proper factory using military-grade steel, proper machining and uses CAD/CAM for their products
vs
>flipfags
>build their shit on someones backyard, with steel from salvaged auto parts, plumbing tools and made by guys who had to ditch school to earn a living
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfu0lV_KomM
Not that I support them chinks and all, but in case of a chimpout, I'd rather have chink-made gun in my hand than flip-made ones. Flip-made guns are khyber-pass tier shit
>>29402168
Kind of want
Here's my SDM/Norinco.
Cheap, reliable and fun. What's to hate?
The finish is horrible, that I agree but the rest is pretty good.
>>29397003
You could see them both way tho. Them godless commies wouldn't let Colt to sell their shit in chinkland, would they?
>>29398428
>RIA
>Good
Topkek
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-rock-island-armory-gi-standard-fs-1911/
>>29402295
They don't let any guns in because gommunism.
not importing their guns seems to be cutting off the nose to spite the face
>>29398428
While the chinks doesn't have nearly the same love of the 1911 as the flips it's not like it's completely out of the blue for them, they did use them quite a bit.
>>29402371
Chinese historically used Tokarevs.
And if there's any handgun that is to the Chinese what the 1911 is for the Filipinos, that would be the C96 and local copies of them.
Hell, the Chinese love the look of the C96 so much NORINCO invented a 7.62×25mm Tokarev loading pistol that aped its look.
>>29397126
>clip
>>29402469
Oh my god, my dick. I want one.
>cheap chink shit
>asks if it's worth it
>>29397003
>>29397041
>Fuck em, quite honestly. Back in the day their guns ranged from shitty to plain unsafe. Now it ranges from shitty to meh (based on canuk reports)
They may be rough aesthetically but their metallurgy is sound, much better than many more expensive US-made guns as matter of fact. I wish more than their 870 clones were available in the States.
>>29402469
Dayum, all that needs is some extendoz and you've put the p90 out of business easy.
>>29402469
That's actually pretty nice.
>>29402469
What I like most about it is that they sprayed it with water like some kind of centerfold in Playboy to make it sexier. And it worked, my erection is not going away.
>>29397003
They're ok. The 1911 clone I shot was ok, the p226 clone I shot was total shite. Haven't had experience with their AKs, but you can get one for 300€.
>>29402295
>>29402295
>Them godless commies wouldn't let Colt to sell their shit in chinkland, would they?
Lesser sounding things have happened before jackass. See us selling fucking jets to commie yugoslavia and giving tons of guns to communist leaning guerillas in Africa. And we did have the Sino-Soviet split which had us supporting China against Soviet puppets like Vietnam.
>>29402759
What was wrong witht he P226 clone? I would be fine with fucking about wuntil it worked just to have a 'Sig' that fired 7.62×25mm
>>29402469
Chinese historically used whatever they could get their hands on, which happens to be quite a bit of different kit.
>>29397003
As a Canadian, I'm not too fond of them.
Their firearms have oversaturated the Canadian market, and quite frankly, I'm sick of it.
If you watch an American YouTube gun channel, they'll talk about all sorts of guns.
If you watch a Canadian YouTube gun channel, they'll only talk about Norinco guns.
It's fucking disgusting. Norinco has a reputation of making cheap imitations of more popular firearms that Canadians can't afford because our nigger prime minister is raping our dollar.
>Cool, is that a 1911? Nope, Norinco.
>M14? Nope, M305.
>How the hell could you afford a Sig P226? By getting a Chinese ripoff of it instead.
The only Norinco product I would consider purchasing is ammo, but that's because I can at least clean off the corrosive compounds. You can't clean stupid, unfortunately.
>>29402843
To be honest a lot of American companies have been either outsourcing or simply letting QC slid down their mother's buttcrack and make a brown stain on the sheets. Most starter 1911s are from the Philippines and the entry Springfield M14 hasn't been worth a damn for a long while.
>>29402843
>1911
>M14
>P226
Those are all fucking expensive here in the US. At least with Norinco you can get a good quality knock off for dirt cheap. No soft shitty steel or MIM parts like every single sub-$1,200 American made gun.
>>29399311
Better hurry, they aren't getting cheaper.
>>29402843
>If you watch a Canadian YouTube gun channel, they'll only talk about Norinco guns.
Fucking this.
>>29402843
>>29404043
Blah blah the grass is always greener blah blah...honestly though variety isn't all that when everything is either junk and/or overpriced as fuck. I'd much rather have more "diamond in the rough" budget guns like the Norincos and other commie shit than the "polished turds" we have in the US. The former may not always look as nice but are at least solidly made...the latter LOOK nicer but are usually made with all sorts of manufacturing shortcuts.
