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Don't know if there is a more appropriate board to post this on, so I'll ask here.
Is it better to start martial arts training with muay thai and transition in krav maga, or start with krav maga, and transition into muay thai
It doesn't matter in the slightest.
>>29393543
Start with Muay Thai, skip Krav for Judo or Wrestling.
Also, /asp/.
>>29393553
thanks anon
I would pick a striking art.
And or eskrima.
Krav can be shitty, it has to be taught right.
Ving Tsun, Moy Yat lineage.
Also how about you pick ONE martial art and become proficient rather than going the adult A.D.D. route.
>>29393543
It is better to start lifting.
My dad taught me judo when I was 8 and I've used the same sweep and flip moves in every fight since.
Every untrained kid or teen fights the same way. They grab you with their off hand and try to punch with their main hand. You just flip them, take the wind out of them, then pound or kick them a few times and they stay down.
>>29393543
Take both at the same time, plus the juijitsu class afterward, be tired, but grow substantially.
>Is it better to [meme art] then [meme art], or [meme art] then [meme art]?
Krav maga is mostly taught by hucksters and con-men, I have never personally seen a reputable school outside of Israel. I have never seen a reputable muay thai school, just "MMA dojos" that claim to teach muay thai that you don't actually learn martial arts from, just workouts and some basic fighting techniques.
>>29393543
Though there is nothing wrong with krav, there is a lot wrong with krav schools.
Must Thai has less of an issue but that issue still exists. As long as you find a good school it won't matter.
Personally I'd do a split between Kali and Muay Thai but again, skip the Kali if the school seems shit. After training at one gym for a while, go to another and spar a bit to figure out what you've been taught right or wrong. If you fuck up their guy then youre good, if he fucks you up then you probably need to switch gyms. Just make sure they don't give you their best guy claiming that he is a noob or whatever to trick you. Just pick a guy who you think will be about average and spar.
>>29394836
Krav Maga is bullshit and not even what the IDF calls their martial art. Krav Maga is the fucking cross fit of martial arts.
>>29394707
>how about you get wrecked just like all striking specialists did in the first UFCs?
>>29393543
/asp/. /asp/ is the martial arts boards. The only people on /k/ who know about marital arts learned it from /asp/. Stop coming to /k/ for non-gun fighting people.
>>29394933
Did your parents get killed by krav maga or something? Why are you so furious about it?
>>29394960
Modern UFC seems to be all about striking knockouts, though. Or at least that's how every modern fight ends.
>>29393543
Ignore the retards advocating their flavor of the month martial arts and trying to get you involved into multiple fighting styles or martial arts that you won't ever actually find someone (reputable) teaching in your area. Pick one basic, common martial art to begin with and stick to it. Learning multiple martial arts or styles at once will only confuse beginners and you will have a very difficult time securing a foundation and unlearning bad habits and sloppy technique in the future.
Pick a striking or grappling style to learn first that interests you, keep it simple. Boxing or kickboxing is common and should not be hard to find a gym to train in, same with wrestling or some type of jiu jitsu for grappling. Do just one for at least a couple months 2-5x a week before you venture out and start testing the waters with something else, if not much longer. Avoid McDojos. Avoid things like Karate, Tae Kwan Do, Aikido, etc. It's not that they're bad styles, it's that 95% of the dojos teaching them are advocated to the after school/work kids/middle aged people crowd and you won't learn anything
Also, here's a thought:
If the gym doesn't have a ring or allow (*supervised*) full contact sparring, they're not a real martial arts gym. A reality of any real training is that if you're not practicing full contact sparring at some point and getting occasionally knocked out, choked out, and beat up you are not going to learn something applicable that you can use in "the real world" or will know how to react and use the technique in a real fight.
>>29395003
Mark Hunt is a good proponent of the striking style.
>>29395122
This right here.
>>29395163
You mean punching someone in the jaw and taking advantage of their momentary disorientation to keep hitting them int the jaw until the ref stops the match?
>>29395003
It's only that way because everyone, strikers included, is learning takedown defense. If you go learn standup striking, I highly doubt they will drill you on takedown defense at all, much less giving it the attention they do in the UFC.
Even then we're starting to see that even the best striking specialists can be submitted, sometimes by fairly average grapplers. Just look at Holly Holm vs Miesha Tate.
Miesha is a good grappler but not anything super special, while Holly is literally a boxing world champ, and just because Miesha survived long enough to take her down and take her back, Miesha won the fight.
>>29395501
>It's only that way because everyone, strikers included, is learning takedown defense.
Also many efficient (but potentially dangerous) beatdown techniques are prohibited against lying opponents. Like downward elbows, stomp kicks, soccer kicks and knees.
>>29393553
>Judo
>Not Brazilian Jui Jitsu
Get rekt, fag
>>29395501
The striker might also have lost because girls have trouble throwing punches with knockout power.
>>29394960
Im sorry, I'm too busy learning about fighting from someone who actually participated in one of the last death waiver fights in Hong Kong, what is it you were saying?
Here's the deal: all that mma shit is a fucking sport. It's not televised street fighting. There are rules and limitations that are just plain unrealistic. Go with a traditional martial art, like one people used to kill people with within the last 200 years. Do your research and find a good teacher and commit to it. Most really old martial arts address combat at all ranges (striking, trapping, grappling) even if they stick with a particular optimal range. You like striking? Great! Just learn how to have a good solid base and punch that fucker that tries to shoot on you in the fucking face. You don't have to do jiujitsu to not end up on the ground..
>>29395122
the initial TKD school i chose was the middle aged crowd and most of them out of shape. So the class pace wasnt too intense and i was the only student interested in that intensity.
TKD is the main thing offered around me, and i did it when i was a kid and really enjoyed it. Initially i was just looking for a place where the classes would be demanding but one of the main things i ended up wanting was self defense. I checked out a few other schools and stumbled into where i am at now. Awesome school, hands down the best thing that has ever happened to me. They added jiujitsu like 4 years ago or so and i had started doing it but stopped. I just started again with my main focus on take downs and take down defense, but i do my best with whatever is being taught.
When i first started with TKD i was the only color belt, everyone else was 1st dan and up and i got my butt stomped regularly. By the time i was ranked enough to spar at tournaments it wasnt even a contest. Tournaments were fun and i enjoyed placing at first but a few ranks later was when i really started to figure out what i wanted and the difference between tournament sparring and defending yourself. I like punches, but you never see them in a tournament since they break after a point is called/seen and contact is all that qualifies for a point. These days i use tournaments as a way to gauge how im doing with my goals with people i dont see often or have never seen. Points wise i get mixed results but i do the work to get in and let the other guy know all he has is points.
>>29393543
>transitioning
How bout you spend 20 years practicing one style to competancy before you try and collect all the yellowbelts of every mcdojo withing a single gas tank of your mom's SUV.
>>29393543
Muay Thai is quite a good fighters martial art, it'll teach you a lot about hitting people very fucking hard and also being able to take a few yourself.
As others suggested, a decent wrestling course will do you well in the long run, shop around and see what you like in terms of those, try a few out, do your research to what's applicable.
Why its applicable is that a lot of scrappy self defence fights can often end up on the ground, so the ability to break arms, dislocate limbs and so forth is really important when you want someone out of the fight as quick and ugly as possible
Boxing for punching
Judo or Jiu Jitsu for grappling
Krav or Systema for weapon disarms
Or just carry a gun.
>>29394836
>hucksters and con-men
Breddy much famalam. Worked with one of the few good guys in the US (I can count them all on one hand) a year or two back, it's absurd how riddled the market is with morons and cheats. Even he admitted there's not a whole lot he can do to keep willing learners with potential from learning complete bullshit.
>>29396518
kicks were legal in Pride. Shogun Rua was known for stomps. BJJ still won sometimes. it's about the matchup and gameplan.
>>29396784
yeah if you can't win handcuffed by rules, what makes you think in a scenario where both have access to dirty striking? a solid sport base just gives you an even better chance to win a "dirty" fight since you've got much more solid fundamentals, getting hit won't wreck your entire day, and you're in a place to apply "dirty" fighting more effectively.
to be perfectly honest it is better to start internal art like iron fist, iron body shaolin tecniq. i practice shaolin kung fu which mostly is meditate to build internal strength but that translate to body power by controling your qui energy. i can move qui to any point in body and time it with a light punch to knock someone uncoincese at will. with power is responsibility.
btw shaolin iorn body is what allow to take a brutal kick like this as if nothing.
>>29398349
or you could learn how to box and be able to wreck most dudes after about 6 months.
>>29398433
i would take on any boxer. 1. can they even hit me? 2. can they break my qui wall with a punch I doubt it
>>29393543
Rather than all the retards spouting about fake krav maga and fake jiu jitsu and whatever go take some boxing classes. Kickboxing if youve got the body type. Real men fight standing up.
>>29398440
Yes and yes you fucking autist. Did those lessons come free with the katana you got from the mall?
>>29398455
learn at least the basics of ground fighting so you can get back up without getting rekt.
also the ladies appreciate it in bed. makes your transitions smoother.
>>29393543
I would say boxing or kickboxing and then krav maga would be the best than muay thai / krav maga.
>>29398463
katana is japanese my art is chinese fool. my weapons are hands like stone and iorn, bo staff, spear, nonchaku.
>>29394836
Seems to be true. A few years ago a guy on my motorcycle forum started traing Krav Maga and posted about it. Every week he came home with more bruises until he sufferd a complicated spiral fracture of tibia and fibia. Had to get a cast and developed a thrombosis in that leg. The blood plug broke loose and caused a full-blown lung embolism. The guy hovered on the brink of death for quite some time.
>>29398463
ignore the mentally ill shitposter
>>29398475
Wow that sounds incredibly fucking stupid. Just like your weaboo ass.
>>29396552
>go to the ground
>proceed to get your head stomped in
At least natural selection is doing its part
>>29398334
Because real fights aren't just two guys beating on each other. Mma gloves don't transfer the force of a punch the same way and the sport encourages taking hits that would absolutely be fight enders in real situations. There is practical martial art and there is sport martial art. If you practice with pads you are doing a sport. Traditionally based practical martial arts involve age old conditioning practices that, quite frankly, most people don't have the discipline to train. You seem to confuse "dirty fighting" with having access to all target areas of the body. There are also things that work in the real world, like short punches, that just don't work with gloves. If you think a bare knuckle brawler wouldn't devour a ufc fighter outside the ring then you are sadly mistaken.
>>29398475
>Bo staff and nonchaku (spelt wrong)
You sir are a level 10 troll.
>>29394784
>It is better to start running.
ftfy. stamina and endurance trumps strength
Having done martial arts for over 10 years(judo/kickboxing/boxing/sanda), i will tell you this:
All 'martial arts' are contact sports. Which means they are just that, sports. The only thing they will instill in you that will help you in an unarmed conflict is good fitness and aggression.
With that being said, that's all you need to win in unarmed fights. Aggression. Very rarely does one fighter want to kill the other when fighting unarmed, they just want to prove a point. If they have crossed the line and want to kill someone they pull out a knife, at which point the only thing that you can use against and live is a gun.
tldr 'self defence' is a load of bullshit and if you want to be combat worthy then get very fit, get a gun and train in the military/police.
>>29398356
The guy kicking has no control and his form is completely destroyed; he literally has no power in his strike.
Try jiu jitsu, and pick up some striking somewhere as well.
A decent MMA gym will take you far.
>>29396552
BJJ will teach you to take a man to the ground and beat him, Judo will teach you how to throw him onto concrete while you stay on your feet ready to deal with his friends.
>>29394812
Never fought someone on drugs the post.
If I flipped a dude, ground and pound would be eccential.
>>29398440
>i would take on any boxer. 1. can they even hit me? 2. can they break my qui wall with a punch I doubt it
I know you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
>>29393543
go to a bar and call the biggest guy a faggot. you'll either learn to fight or get your ass kicked
