What's a good all around first shotgun, /k/?
I was thinking about a Remington 870 but I heard the new production models are trash. The Mossberg 500 seems similar, but I'm confused about what the difference is compared to the 590 or 590A1. And I've had some people tell me to not waste money on a pump action and go straight to a semi-automatic like a stoeger.
I'm looking to spend $400-700.
>>29388613
930spx
>>29388613
500 for jack of all trades master of none
590 for a jack of all trades but slightly better for combat and range work
>>29388613
>>29388635
Maverick 88, save your money.
H&r pardner protector
Stevens 330
Mossberg m590
First two are cheap as hell but they work. The pardner in particular is appealing because it is literally a perfect 870 clone minus about 200 dollars. Same quality and everything. Takes all the same aftermarket shit.
The 590 is more exclusive but might be better. might.
>>29388635
>>29388640
Holy shit this is useful, thanks man.
>>29388613
H&R Pardner Pump or IAC Hawk 981/982(same guns, different configurations)
Mossberg 590
Turkey is also making some very decent albeit usually very ugly stuff these days, believe it or not. An older 870 Wingmaster or Police Magnum is always a great choice as well.
>>29388628
>>29388641
>>29388646
>>29388651
Thanks for input all, checking some of these alternatives out
>>29388613
For defense, you want a semi so that you can't fuck up and short-shuck it. Also, higher rate of fire = good. Just make sure it's loaded with something it'll reliably cycle.
Mossberg 930 is what I'd be looking at.
>>29388613
I've been wanting to ask the difference between the 500/590/A1 as well.
I'll be getting my first shotgun soon too, and it will definitely be one of them. It'll mainly be for home defense, but also want to use it for 3-gun and possibly hunting/clay shooting.
Will I need to get a model with different chokes? What difference does the heavy-walled barrel make in some of the A1 models?
Unrelated, but is there anything about 3-gun shotguns (like Stoeger M3K, or Mossberg 930JM) which makes them unsuitable for other uses (such as self defense?
>>29388677
>I've been wanting to ask the difference between the 500/590/A1 as well.
The A1 has some markings on the receiver and a thicker/heavier barrel. Also a metal firing control group and safety, which I don't think the 590 has either. You can buy those separately though. The 590A1 isn't worth it at all.
>>29388714
So what's the difference between the 500 and the 590?
>>29388702
No not really. Just keep them clean and lubed, and use decently stout loads.
>>29388725
>So what's the difference between the 500 and the 590?
With the 500 you get the option of changing barrels, the 590 however gives you easier access to the magazine - better for cleaning and clearing malfunctions. For defensive use the 590 is worth the price increase imo.
>>29388677
>>29388714
>>29388725
And to answer this
>What difference does the heavy-walled barrel make in some of the A1 models?
It makes them front heavy. That is it. Some stupid specification the Navy wanted so barrels didn't get bent while being smacked around in ships. Honestly I'd be more worried about the aluminum receiver getting fucked up than anything.
>>29388613
Whats a reasonable price for a winchester model 12 with a very good bore and good internals?
Is it possible to send the gun somewhere to get the metal and internals all cleaned up nice?
>>29388755
You can also put a bayonet on the 590.
I got a Vepr 12 as my first shotgun, I absolutely love it.
It can do anything. Great for clays, great for hunting, great for varmints, great for competition, great for fighting, you name it.
It can do up to 3" shells, and self regulating gas lets you shoot whatever you want without adjusting. Hinged receiver rail lets you mount an optic without losing zero.
I don't know if I'll ever get another shotgun
>>29388937
>upside down pic
regardless of how I manipulate it in various image editing softwares, it always appears upside down on 4chan no matter what.
annoying as fuck
>>29388946
what did you pay for it?
>>29389045
thanks for the pic lol
I paid $850 new, probably one of the last side folders that made it into the country. It was made in 2013.
I got it last summer, and at the time the fixed stock ones were going for $800 so I figured I might as well get a folder for $50 more.
Save your pennies, it's well worth it. It weighs enough that recoil isn't bad at all, and if you want you can still put a muzzle device on. Including chokes.
>>29389145
That's a good deal, it go through most ammo pretty easily?
>>29388613
New production 870s are functionally fine, their finish is garbage though, easy to scratch and rust.
Comparing this fruity shotgun to one of my old 870 magnum wingmasters is a joke, different tier shotguns completely. That being said, this new(ish) 870 pumps shot and slugs downrange without issue.
>>29389182
yeah, it'll cycle pretty much anything.
the only shells i ever had trouble with were the shitty Winchester AA light target loads, those would stovepipe sometimes. Too light a charge to cycle the action, I guess.
Switched my target shells to Winchester Super Target and never had another problem again. And of course any kind of buck or slugs is fine, since that's got more powder.
>>29388755
how many millions of shells does it take to wear out a 590 barrel anyway, though. not like there's any rifling to fuck up
>>29389404
I meant swapping barrels of different lengths and so on for different uses, but yes.
>>29389232
>Mesa tac shell holder
Muh nigga
>>29388946
It's something to do with when the exif data is remove when you post pics. I haven't found a solution.
>>29388613
Benelli Nova is best. Nordic Tube extender is like $70.
Ghost sights on a shotgun are useless.
Fuck the mossberg 500, remington 870, ANYTHING rock island armory and springfield. If you want a throwaround hunting/camping/dindu repellant shotgun get a maverick 88. Theyre about 200-250 brand new and theyre made by mossberg so you know theyre not total peices of shit
>>29390896
Benelli nova/supernova line is definitely worthy of consideration
Check out the nova h2o.
>>29388925
indeed
pic related; business end of my 590A1.
>>29391183
here is the complete package.
I threw a spare sling I had on it, bought a bayonet and tossed a laser / light combo on it with pressure switches. Oh and a Tritium front blade (not pictured here) for dat dere innadark operatin.
good to go.
>>29390987
>Fuck Mossberg
>Buy a Mossberg instead
nigga you wat?
Beretta 1301. $500 and its a 5+1 semi auto.
>>29388755
When you say access to the magazine, do you mean it's easier to load, or easier to take off/replace?
Give Winchester a look. Their SXP line may be made in Turkey but they're damn nice shotguns and mine has been very solid.
Only set me back 290 bucks.
Only con is 5+1
>>29392035
With the 500 you have to unscrew the tube from the receiver to access the inside of the magazine, with the 590 it unscrews at the muzzle end.
>>29392210
Is that really the only difference? No practical difference in terms of performance?
Buy a Mossberg.
Maverick 88 if you're a jew. Mossberg 590 if you aren't a jew. Mossberg 930 if you want a semi-auto without breaking the bank.
/thread
>>29388702
Length. A 20" with a buttstock indoors is really long.
>>29392255
Not really, but easy access to the magazine is a pretty good thing to have in a defensive gun.
>>29392255
thers the bayonet and the fact the 20 inch 590 holds 1 more round than a 20 inch 500
really the 590 and 500 are the same exact thing except for the barrel and magtube
the handguards the same the stocks the same everything in the receiver is identical.
theres a difference between the 590a1 and the 590 but the plain 590 isnt that special
>>29392372
Why? I'm not going to be screwing shit when I'm fighting for my life. Also can anyone answer my question about chokes? What are the different chokes good/bad at? Is it possible to hunt/shoot clays with clyinders, since the main purpose is going to be home defense, or will I have to get one with adjustable chokes?
>>29392413
Which one has the bayonet?
>>29392427
all the 20 inch 590 or 590a1 have the lug
>>29392427
The 590 and 590A1.
>>29392321
Looking at the Mossbergs, the shorter models are only 1.5 inches shorter and hold two less rounds. The extra rounds seem worth it.
>>29392451
if you plan to make this a do all shotgun the standard 500/590 with the short magtube is a better choice
with the 20s there are no common replacement barrels avalible if you want to swap barrel lengths you replace the whole front half of the gun to the point where its almost cheaper just to buy another shotgun
>>29392451
The biggest difference in a home defense scenario is the buttstock. You cannot put just a pistol grip on most autoloaders. 1.5" of barrel is a small difference by comparison.
The best scenario is buy a Maverick 88 that is 18.5" long, put a pistol grip on it and leave it by the bed. Then buy your 3gun-style autoloader.
>>29392513
dont listen to this fool keep the stock
if you want to hit something your gun needs a stock
>>29392527
>can't hit something from less than 20 feet away
>>29392555
Stevens 320 for basic HD cost me 170
Upgraded to a rem 870 express super mag for 320
The 590A1 is the only shotgun the US army trusts.
>>29392602
>The 590A1 is the only shotgun the US army trusts.
It was also the only shotgun submitted for testing. Recent QC issues aside, the 870 is undeniably the more robust gun and remains more ubiquitous in LE and military circles in general than any other shotgun.
>>29392664
>riveted ejector
>more robust
Suuuuure.
You don't know how politics and law enforcement contracts work if you think the 870 is in use (mostly OLD guns) because they are the best. Just look at how the 700 trigger fiasco was handled (on MULTIPLE occasions), but LE still has them.
Idiot.
>>29388613
> And I've had some people tell me to not waste money on a pump action and go straight to a semi-automatic
> I'm looking to spend $400-700.
I’d say don’t waste your money on _either_ a pump or semi-auto, get yourself an over-under shotgun.
For any sport shooting and most hunting, an O/U will serve you better and you'll actually use it and they can be had for pump / semi-auto prices.
>>29388613
Just picked up a 500 5+1 18.5" with a light built into the forend. I have done the basic mods (collapsible stock with sidesaddle, sidesaddle on the weapon itself w/h single point sling catch, rd scope on a picatinny for anything over 25yds, and high viz follower and standard Mossberg heatshield.
All in all, I'm about $800 into the build with $500 going to the original weapon that came with a $200-300 forend light. I shoots great from 30+ yards all the way to up close and personal. If I had to do it all over again I'd have the 590A1, but I'm happy with what I have.
>>29390896
>>29391055
Adding a mag extender my find yourself in 922r violation
>>29388613
For a hunting and clay shooting starter I'd skip Stoeger and go with a Beretta A300. It's a reliable, well built semi-auto. It will cost more than a Stoeger, but you will get what you pay for.
>>29388613
The 870 isn't bad if you can get it on sale.
>>29388725
I've never handled a mossberg 500 or590 a1 but when I was looking into getting one apparently the 590 has a few parts made out of metal that are plastic on the 500.
Check pawn shops and the stranger LGS. I got a pre-1968 (no serial number lol) mossberg 500 with new internals for $200 bucks. The only thing I don't like about it is that with 28in barrel it doesn't fit in any of my soft cases.
>>29388613
I got a brand new 870 around October 2008. That I believe was shortly after they were cucked.
If the quality has gone down from there, it must really be saying something. I have had a few stovepipes on this thing, the forend has some slop, and overall it doesn't feel or look like it is super-well put together. The black oxide type finish was also garbage, and wore off like nothing else. I ended up duracoating it, and as I was prepping it with degreaser, I was wiping off orange rust that was mixed in with the oil surface.
I still have yet to shoot it since the refinish, if it shoots worse than before I'll just sell the thing and get a Mossberg.
Pic related is how it looks with my other shit...
I figured a single/double barrel was everyone's first shotgun, mine was and same for a lot of people I know
>>29394931
I like the aesthetics of that, what is it?
>>29394931
Looks like a Rem 870 with 14 inch barrel and wood furniture.
>>29394967
>>29395044
Meant to quote
>>29392813
>For any sport shooting and most hunting, an O/U will serve you better
How so?
>and you'll actually use it
Because you won't use your pump/semi?
>and they can be had for pump / semi-auto prices
Wow, a quarter of the gun for the same price!
Hawk 982 master race
Just don't forget to spend $2 on new screws for the rear sight. The ones included are super soft metal. I think they are "m4" size
It's pretty incredible how cheap the Chinese can build stuff. The 982 sells for $190, and that is after it has gone through the storefront, the distributor, the importer, and the factory itself.
It probably costs them under 20 bucks to actually make it
>>29388635
>>29388640
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