THIS JUST IN
Arsenal AK fails a fucking DIRT TEST on the first round. AR brand AR passes with flying colors.
https://youtu.be/synlZgnTnXg
AR @ 5:56, AK @ 31:25
If this was a battle the AK weilder would have been killed because of some fine soil. The legend of the AK is falling apart before our very eyes...
>>29379925
>AR @ 5:56
Only reason I replied
>>29379925
Will Slavaboo's ever stop getting BTFO? I hope not, this is delicious.
>>29379925
Bahahah. I can't wait for the AKfag denial, tears, and damage control.
>>29379925
Poorfag slavaboos will claim its the fault of the arsenal and their shitty WASR would have passed.
>>29380056
no, they will claim it's the US semi-auto FCG
>>29380075
The bolt didn't even come close to shutting. That's just embarassing.
>>29379925
DELETE THIS!!!
>>29379925
>shuts dustcover
Well isn't that convenient.
>scar jams
>gas regulator is set on the wrong position
ayy lmao
also this vid is like a year old
>>29380134
>opens dustcover after it passes that test
>repeats dirt drop
You're fucking stupid
He poured WAAAAAAY more dirt on the AK. The test was rigged from the start. Why doesn't he pour some dirt down the AR's gas tube and see how it functions then?
>>29380134
Tripfags. Brainless impatient retards as usual.
>>29380141
>Legendary Kalashnikov reliability.
>Russia STRONK!
Just don't expose it to harsh environments.
>>29380134
>salty
bu bu bu but... muh piston!
>>29380168
You can't pour dirt down the gas tube without tearing down the rifle with armorers tolls ya dolt.
>>29380168
How would the dirt get in the gas tube? It's a sealed system.
Also he poured more a whole can on the AR because it ran through every test. It had the most dirt. Stay delusional.
>m-muh loose tolerances
>>29380188
>>29380189
It got totally lost without tone, but I was being sarcastic.
>>29380196
Ya gotta post a pic or emoji with internet sarcasm, anon. Smug anime girls are a good place to start.
>>29380223
I'm new to online smugness.
>>29380230
Have a starter pic, free of charge
>>29379925
>IMI ammo
>No Tavor
Fuck this amateur hour, where is Tim?
>>29380134
The AK's "dust cover" was closed too, my man.
>>29380189
When you fire the last round in a magazine.
>>29379925
>That sleight of hand just before dusting the AK
>>29379925
the AK still has durability going for it though
spend $1,000 on making a good AKM in the 60's, hand them out to peasants and 40 years later the rifles will still be working without spare parts.
>>29380480
You're not wrong, but that same statement can be applied to m-16s produced in the 60's, given to soldiers, used in Vietnam, then sold or stolen and used by drug cartels continuously up to today
>>29380374
Then you would also need to put dirt in behind the piston rod of the ak. Oh wait, it did that all by itself
>>29380418
Hm?
>>29380681
>/hm/
If that's what you're into, okay....
>>29380733
Oh look, a guy that think's he's a comedian
AKs have lost their luster for me. I was gonna buy a WASR for kicks but after all these bad gun test results I think I'll buy something else instead now.
>>29379925
>this just in
On a year old vid?
>>29379925
70 years of service on several continents would like to have a word with you.
>>29381051
I'm sure the AK could talk, if it didn't have such a nasty dust allergy that is. It gets all choked up.
MIKHAIL IS DEAD. DESIGN IS PERVERT. RUSSIA IS COME TO END. REMOVE ARSENAL.
>>29381064
Go and subject your AR to the same conditions that the AK was subjected to. Record it, upload it to YouTube, and then post the link ITT. If it's so much better than the AK, I'm sure that your rifle will be fine, right? Alternatively, you could just acknowledge that the test was biased in favor of the AR, and anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass will tell you the same thing.
>>29381190
but anon the test is already in the OP. It was clearly unbiased, as unbiased as pouring dirt on a weapon can get.
I'm sorry the truth hurt you so badly. Maybe you shouldn't have bought a shitty cheap rifle that was marked up 600% instead of a functional rifle like an AR.
>>29381229
>one weapon has a shitload of dirt poured on it
>the other one just gets a light sprinkling of dirt
>unbiased
I don't even own an AK yet.
>>29381258
Watch the video again fagtron. He pours an entire can of dirt on both rifles. He does it repeatedly with the AR because it continues to function.
Seriously why are you shitposting when the source of your shitposting is easily found in the fucking OP of all places. Try lurking a bit.
>>29381278
AKfags only consider a test to be unbiased when the AK's dustcover is closed and the AR's bolt is held open.
>>29381306
>the AR's bolt is held open
How else are you going to get dirt into the closed system?
>inb4 you aren't
And that's why comparing it to a rifle that does have dirt inside of it is retarded.
>>29381349
The AR's dust cover being open negates the whole "closed system" thing though.
>>29380480
For $1000 in the 60s it goddamn well better run in 40years and it better be made of graphene and carbon fiber
>>29381349
>why are you comparing these two guns when one is touted to be more reliable because it is an "open system with loose tolerances" and the other is said to be less reliable because it "shits where it eats and has tight tolerances"
the backpedal is real. both guns were dirtied up in their respective loaded and safety on positions. you have no excuses.
>>29381374
Not to mention he dirtied up the AR with the dust cover open after it effortlessly went through an entire magazine.
>>29380513
The jews are still using our m16s, is that where American arma go to die?
Is Israel the equivelent to Florida?
If you want the ar to fail just dont lube it and watch it sieze in a mag or 2
>>29381374
>>29381445
NEW AND IMPROVED IMAGE
>>29381540
shit
>>29381506
well? where's your proof?
Daily reminder that Youtube torture test videos prove absolutely nothing.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2a9lZO74YCE
>>29381585
It still doesn't disprove the fact that an Arsenal AK, which many consider to be the top-tier brand in the market, literally failed to go into battery on the second round because of some dirt.
>>29381585
That's the ONE test that AK fags post, whereas AR fags have the decency to at least post multiple tests. Not to mention with the Tavor, the test started with the gun halfway through a test and the AR had all but one minute dedicated to it. That video isn't balanced at all.
Also, that AK is in no way covered with dirt/mud like other tests present it.
>>29381623
That's my point. A YouTube video isn't a metric of reliability. There are videos of AR, AKs, FALs, etc etc etc all failing and successfully firing in all manner of conditions.
This is the rough equivalent of a parent refusing to immunize their children because of something they saw online.
>>29381670
I wish there was a kind anon with all levels of ARs and AKs or other weapons who would do an extensive scientific test of this stuff like the guy that did the test with the metal rings covered in various gun cleaning/preserving products. That test really solidified my belief in Eezox for preservation and disproved a bunch of products as mere snakeoil. It wasn't the most scientific thing I've seen but it was as close as you can get by DIY.
>>29381540
But what happens when you get dirt into the internals of an AR?
>>29381725
You open it up and dump it out, like MAC did in his AR torture test. It took him all but five seconds to get the gun up and running again.
>>29381725
The only "internals" of an AR that can really get a lot of dirt in them is the chamber, say if the gun happens to have the bolt held open and a dirt genie slams a fistful of dirt into that area. It isn't likely to happen any other way.
But any gun that gets dirt in the chamber is effectively borked.
>slavshit blown the fuck out
>constantly blown the fuck out
>slavshit forced to grasp at vietnam-era no cleaning kit problems and apply them to today's firearms
im glad this slav bullshit is coming to an end. i cant believe how deeply the noguns drank from the obvious russiaboo shilling, but on the other hand kids will believe anything to play pretend
>>29381782
It's all memes at this point. The AK has nothing else to stand up on.
>>29381802
reminds me of the nugget era on /k/.
exactly like it
>me and my friend bring our new WASR and DPMS to shoot
>my ak cycles fine the whole day
>his ar jams and we have to hammer the casing out with a rod
>mfw
My saiga works fine no matter what
>>29381822
The nugget was actually fine though. It was a $100 rifle that fired full sized rifle ammo for 10cpr. It put holes in things with acceptable accuracy at 100 yards. That's all anyone really needed it to be.
Now it's a $200 rifle that fires full sized rifle ammo for 25cpr. That's still pretty decent but the price point isn't really there anymore, which was the only reason nuggets were so great.
>buy reputable manufacturer AR
>never have to justify that it works fine
>never have to make up lies about some AK missing, jamming, or failing because its common knowledge truth at this point
>>29381487
I ain't even mad
>>29379925
>IMI
The ____ did this.
>>29381725
The whole point is that that doesn't happen.
>>29381876
>>29381824
Reminds me of the time that a guy set up his tacticooled AR in the lane next to me, then had at least 75% of his rounds fail to fire. By the time I packed up my SKS and left, there was a fuckload of unfired 5.56 all around him. Meanwhile, my SKS fired every last round that I put through it
>mfw it started to ooze cosmoline after a while but it still kept working without issue
Yeah, no shit an open system like the AK is going to have problems when you pour dirt all over the fucking thing. But when you compare the AK and the AR in normal conditions, the AK platform tends to shit all over your tacticool AR.
>>29381915
You're making your conclusion based on one single instance. Can you see where I'm going with this?
>>29381915
Forgot to include >mfw
>>29381915
I think it's important to know the make and model of the weapon as well as the year. A 2011 WASR is likely going to be much more of a fuckup than a 2014 WASR for example.
>>29381697
LInk?
>>29381655
>AK vs AR torture test video
>AK comes out on top, nobody says anything
>AR comes out
>HAHAHAH AK SO BAD SLAVBOOS WHEN WILL YOU STOP!?!? HAHAHAHAH WOW SO BAD
Ok, I'm gonna post AK porn now
>>29381988
>>29379925
Pretty unscientific, but still interesting, and valuable to those who put actually weight in these tests.
I'll still be buying an arsenal in all 3 calibers within a couple years.
I'm not letting massively overblown circumstances that my rifles will never see sway me.
Nobody claims that ARs have good reliability when in direct exposure.
The ARs struggle when shit gets inside via magwell. It does great at keeping stuff out, but if stuff gets in, it has major issues.
>>29381988
You obviously weren't here before generals seperated the two autistic fanboy groups
There's a reason AK vs AR threads are a meme
>>29379925
>this just in
>video posted in August of 2015
>>29381915
No. In normal clean circumstances. They will both run until you are out of ammo or you shoot out the barrel.
>>29382018
Does dirt being poured onto the upside down AR with mag inserted not count as "entering the magwell"?
>>29382003
>>29382003
Lotta wood in that pic.
And in my pants.
>>29381915
>t. Russia Troll Factory
Ah have nearly double in value since I acquired them. Ah feels good man
>>29381915
reminds me of the time when a new SKS exploded when the dealer handed the rifle to a buyer. it also reminds me of when the Izmash AK factory exploded due to carbon monoxide particles got into an AK as they were test-firing one
>>29381988
You mean
>AK fails to uphold one of it's major claims to fame
Thats why it's a big deal. AKs have that whole cheap and reliable mythology so when a good example shits the bed it's worth mentioning. And before you get started, I like both rifles and generally find the AK to be more fun to shoot.
>>29382332
I remember that second one. It was on a Wednesday wasn't it. Shame it was next to that distillery
>>29381974
You'll have to ask around, I don't have the pic saved. It's still fairly well known on /k/ I would like to think.
The guy did everything, from MotorOil to CLP to Eezox. 30 or so identical metal rings pegged to a board for easy viewing.
>>29382619
nvm, found it my friend>>29381974
As for the methods used I can't remember. I think they were either sprayed with salt water and left in a garage for a month or simply left to the elements for a month.
Either way it's impressive.
>>29381974
BEHOLD
granted it's a good start but there are more details than just corrosion resistance to consider. Personally I like shit that won't eventually kill me.
http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
>>29381852
>Missing
Hole up now, it does jam dirty, but a decent AK can be as accurate as any standard AR. Don't bork the truth with additional overcomplications.
>>29381585
Perhaps you haven't considered that this is a very shitty test, and different in methodology.
He doesn't even dry/clean the tavor in between tests even though it failed after the first, wasting 3 minutes in an 8 minute video to shit on it. Only does the water test with the AR, doesn't even proceed to dry it off and try out the mud or the dirt. Inconsistent. A quick "It's shit." and move onto AK.
The Dirt test is more a drop test. It falls onto the dirt, the dirt does not fall into it.
The mud test had what can be described not as mud(wet, viscous dirt) in the test, but as dirty water, and with only partial submersion, in the case of the Tavor.
Notice then later in the video that the AK is dropped into the same puddle hole, but with almost no submersion(Oh look, no mud on the actual bolt, just the bolt handle.) and the water has suddenly mostly dried up, leaving decent mud admittedly, but which again, does not ever touch the receiver cover or bolt.
That right there is a shitty test in large part, but it does have one useful fact.
The AK can handle submersion in water, while the AR cannot.
So here's the laydown.
AK
+Loose tolerances and strong gassing mean it can operate after water submersion.
- Submerged in dirt/mud = Ded
AR
+Tight tolerance means solids and mud cannot enter nearly as easily, heavily resistant to dirt.
- Submerged in water = tight tolerances clog = Ded
You're STILL maki new threads, OP? How many decent threads have to be trashed before you stop shitposting?
>>29383170
>Hurr durr uh durrrhurr hurr
>>29383139
>The AK can handle submersion in water, while the AR cannot.
I wonder if it has to do with being a piston rather than DI. I know the HK416 testing showed that it could handle being submerged and fired nearly immediately after coming out of the water whereas the AR15 deconstructed.
There's a video of it.
>>29383139
Cannot and should not fire underwater aren't the same thing. Water doesnt compress which is why it's bad but you can shoot both gun wet. Shooting either with water in the barrel or gas system is a crap shoot.
>>29383374
The Tavor is also a longstroke piston, and it failed the water test as badly as the AR.
>>29383345
>>29383417
The Tavor is also not an HK416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I
>>29383395
True, but you can also say you should not fire your weapon after it's been slathered with mud or fine dirt.
This isn't about when you're supposed to fire, it's about when you might find it necessary to and yet your weapon cannot operate.
>>29383443
>Submerged in water = tight tolerances clog = Ded
Water doesnt clog and again, the issue is with the barrel or the gas system dealing with water pressure which can blow any gun that has either. Never mind how weak the argument of firing underwater is giving the extreme rarity and woeful ballistics of such.
>>29383432
This test is interesting, but I've never seen an AR blow up like that in any other water test, yet this man knew that the AR would blow up while he knew the HK would not. It does seem a little fishy.
An interesting thing to note is that the 416 is a short stroke piston, not a long stroke. I wonder what differences that might make.
>>29383542
They probably tested it before sans operator and saw it kablooey, so they gave him extra protection for the video
>>29383509
Perhaps clogging is incorrect terminoloy, but I do mean that it does not compress easily, as another anon said. It is simply notable that the tighter tolerance=higher pressures and potential malfunctions post submersion compared to an AK.
It is simply a fact of the matter, not a primary consideration to select an AK or an AR.
But perhaps troops engaged in an amphibious operation or landing where they may get their weapon wet should consider it.
If you're clearing through reeds in the Pripyat Marshes you way want a weapon that you can shoot an enemy with immediately after you trip over a stick on the mud.
But that is a rare employment. Likewise if you're in the sandbox and your weapon is getting dustblasted you may want a sealed system.
>>29381915
All depends on the brand of AR mine functions flawlessly and it's a Diamond Back, but my father's on the other hand has loads of problems and it's a Rock River
He spent 1600 bucks for his
I spent 500 for mine
Doesn't help he bought his like a week after Sandy hook
>>29382646
>>29382672
Thanks for that, guys.
>>29383906
Np man.
Just note that these tests deals more with preservation and not necessarily lubrication or cleaning. Eezox is great for storage but not ideal in any way to keep moving parts sliding smooth.
Nigga, the more money you spend on the AR the better its resistances to wear and the elements. The older and fatter the company's ex-mil owner, the better quality the branded name gives to the rifle too.
Besides, there is only so much soup eating drunks can do with +/-.50 tolerance tools that are considered "close enough".
>>29383645
Yep and it's still and if and those considerations are generally handled accordingly by the users. I'm some cases it's as simple as closing up the barrel, in others it dictates another rifle such as a 416. The chances are higher but it's not an automatic failure either.And I am the other anon BTW. For the record I get your point and I'm siure you get mine so gonna call it quits while we're ahead. I've been arguing in 4chan all day and I don't want it spilling over into this thread. So with that,GG.
>>29383771
Odd that the RRA fucks up,they have a pretty good rep. Could be a number of things but in all fairness a lot of that rep comes from competitions
