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A few years back, the cz75 was pretty much the universally loved pistol on /k/. Is that not the case anymore? Planning on getting my first handgun soon and thought I would get it. Or is there a better first pistol?
Any CZ75 is hard to beat anon.
It would serve you well.
>>29368677
>is there a better first pistol?
Yes.
>is it still a good pistol?
Yes.
The problem with the CZ75 isn't the performance, it's the czfags
>>29368677
just get a glock like i told you, david
where do i buy???
cant find them anywhere online...
>>29368697
>>is there a better first pistol?
>Yes.
like what?
>>29368709
not david and what if I don't want to? Why should I?
For a while it was disproportionally loved. Then the attitude swung in the opposite direction, it was a meme to hate CZ.
Most anyone on this board who has experience with them and other popular full size pistols comes to the conclusion that they're quality, decent handguns that can compete with other modern, full size pistols.
Fanboys and critics should go and stay go
>>29368677
This is 4chan. Once anything begins to get remotely popular, contrarians will hate it
>>29368725
Glocks, m&PS, FNS, ppq. Don't like polymer striker? Fnx is awesome. People seem to forget berretas are in the same price point as cz75bs and great shooting pistols. S&w 5906 and other 3rd gens are also amazing guns. H&k is more expensive, but the USP is the greatest handgun I've ever shot.
>>29368754
So you have no legitimate talking points other than rattling off a bunch of pistols in the same price range that have next to no relation to a CZ?
>>29368754
>>29368779
inb4 fuck off OP, that's not me. But part of my attraction to the cz is that it's not $800+
>>29368709
Not everyone wants the same shit
Dummy
> just get a Honda civic
> just eat soilent green
They have gotten a lot more expensive which takes them out of the value pigeon hole where you were willing to overlook some of the crap and now they are just mediocre QC guns at the same out higher price as all the other options...
>>29368709
>recommending a striker for a beginner
and that's how you breed poor trigger habits
>>29368677
I would say yes, get the CZ75 or a Jericho, if a third choice a Beretta 92fs/m9. Can't beat those for a first 9mm.
>>29368838
>as all the other options...
such as?
>>29368839
not a beginner, just first pistol
Just buy a CZ.
>>29368779
Polymer guns are lighter than czs and often smaller. That's an excellent reason to buy one of those because their better CC options.
>muh polymer framed czs
Da/SA is inferior for CC to striker fired. Sorry
But if you need DA/SA, fnx stays in the price point and has a hammer.
Not concerned with cc? Berretas are straight up higher quality pistols. Better triggers and better finish. 3rd gen Smith's are hella cheap and amazing shooters.
All of these make excellent first time pistos. I'd argue most to be better first pistols than cz
>>29368856
Glock, M&P, or XD.
>>29368856
600 bucks gets you everyother standard production pistol on the market except hk and sig
>>29368875
haven't been presented with a reason not to
>>29368734
>meme to hate cz
No.
It was a meme for czfags to get super butthurt if you dared say the cz75 is not the best gun for everything from pocket carry to high power competition.
>>29368887
I have a RAMI, CZ75b, CZ52, CZ83 and looking to pick up a couple of others. I sold my polyframed knock offs.
>>29368677
Part of the reason they were so loved was the price; $150-200 cheaper than most other full-size 9x19 automatics. Since the price has increased, but quality has not, they are no longer competitive.
>>29368883
>M&P
I own a M&P 40 plus a 9mm barrel and I still wouldn't recommend this gun. Accuracy issues with 9mm, shitty stock trigger, and how difficult it is to detail strip the gun completely makes it so it wouldn't be my choice for my first handgun.
The gun is comfy as fuck though and with Apex parts installed it fixes the shitty trigger issue though.
Things change.
>>29368948
I'm getting $499 CZ75b and the polys for less than that, what are you paying?
>>29368968
People actually buy the poly CZs?
for what purpose?
>>29368980
I don't, I enjoy the metal frames myself. But you can get them for pretty much $429 if you want them
>>29368691
>Your Jr. Whopper hands make that P01 look like a full size.
Great gun though, I love mine.
>>29368697
I'm pretty sure its the anti-CZ fags who are the worst shitposters, m8
>>29368915
that never happened
ever
>>29369487
no
the anti-CZ posters only exist because of how booty bothered the poorfags who shill CZs get.
>>29368791
anon, have you seen CZ prices lately?
bought my 75B for like $650-$675 new a couple years ago.
my p07 duty was cheap though.
>>29368691
Twinsies!
Czech guns are universally overcomplicated
Also CZ slides are the embodiment of FAS of the pistol world.
>>29369531
I don't get the poor=cz owner thing. A 75b is about on par cost wise with most 9mm handguns.
>>29369487
most of the rabid-beyond-sense pro-CZ stuff was posted by them too.
it's just like /ARG/ pretending to be slavaboos to justify their persecution complex.
pathetic, really
>>29369545
Got my cz85b for 425...but the firing pin was broken
why should I get a cz75 instead of a surplus BHP? aside from it being newer/less used, unless used BHP's are known for catastrophic failures of course
A few years ago, the overwhelming sentiment was that when you mentioned the CZ 75, you'd get a range of replies that usually included the following kinds of things:
>I've never held a gun that felt better in my hand
>feels like the handle was molded by a human hand grasping at clay
>high quality all metal construction, on par with Colt, Beretta, Sig, but for 1/2 to 1/3 of the price
>they use to be cheaper, but are still plenty affordable, buy one while you still can!
>muh czechnology
The comments about ergonomics are really only a plus for people who rather large hands. For people with average size hands or smaller, the ergonomics of the grip and the length of the trigger reach are definitely negatives.
As for the quality of the construction, CZ really takes a lot of shortcuts, so you're not getting something comparable to a Sig or Beretta. Think of this more like a Cold War relic (Tokarev or Makarov) that has been polished a little more on the outside than usual, and you can buy it new in box. The internals will be rough and unfinished from the factory, and the gun will not inspire pride of ownership.
They are relatively inexpensive, though, or at least the base model is, given that the 75 is a 100% reliable design. Then again, for the weight, I'm not sure what they are competing with. Most people buying a gun for self-defense will either want polymer for carry, or a light rail for home defense. The 75 has neither of those. The only real niche that the gun fits in is babby's first handgun, and even then, it's a poor value since the gun doesn't double-duty for self-defense very effectively.
>>29369720
BHP's tend to be pretty hard to rack, once you get a new recoil spring in your surplus gun. The CZ 75 will be a little easier to manipulate in general, and will have higher profile sights, making it a little easier to work with.
Personally, though, I prefer Hi Powers.
>>29369720
some people want a DA/SA gun instead of a SA gun?
BHP's are nice but they're in a different class.
>>29369789
>BHP's are nice but they're in a different class.
Make no mistake. The CZ 75 is basically just an upgraded and updated BHP.
>>29369794
i know, i just reloaded mine.
having DA is still nice for me, i like having the hammer down. can't put the 75 on safety unless the hammer is back. i keep mine loaded with the hammer down since it's my desk gun.
>>29369787
thank you for your informed response, that's about what I gathered.
>>29369789
>some people want a DA/SA gun instead of a SA gun
come again? or you trying to be silly or are you trying to say something?
>>29368677
Basically nothing has changed, you just have to be on at the right time of day to get those responses.
>>29369838
are you retarded?
SOME PEOPLE WANT A GUN THAT'S DA AS WELL AS SA.
if you don't understand just say so.
You won't find a more cost effective, quality metal frame gun. The only issue you may have with it is racking the skinny slide if you've got
>large hands
But that same "flaw" also makes it more accurate with less felt recoil. The tooling mark thing some people bring up is a complete non-issue. Perhaps it would be if they were a $1,000 gun but they aren't, they're priced pretty reasonably unlike rusty sigs.
If you're in the market for a metal frame gun the main contenders are cz & sig, if you want polymer you have glock, FN, and s&w (cz makes one but it'd meh imo). So it's up there with the top 5 manufacturers.
>>29368938
Czech CDISales, they're selling Pre Bs and the various variants of them. There's even a Swiss copy of the 75. And I'm not referring to the Sphinx line.
>>29369909
I don't understand
so BHP has a hammer and can only fire if the hammer falls right? whether you pull the trigger from the hammer down position or from it up, does the hammer go back to a firing position and fall even if it's down when you start pulling the trigger? I thought that's what DA meant
>>29369787
>For people with average size hands or smaller, the ergonomics of the grip and the length of the trigger reach are definitely negatives.
I have smaller than average hands and I find it just awesome nonetheless. I compete with it as well, it's am awesome gun to have.
>>29368677
I dig mine OP
All I want is a threaded 32acp doublestack with a rail
But they don't exist
Mines pretty neat
All the trigger group parts are CGW, expensive but it makes a world of difference. It's just that disassembly of the decocker version is hellish
>>29369493
Except it does.
>Im looking for a subcompact for AIWB, thinking between the glock 26 or the S&W Shield
Czfags
>get a cz75 since it carries almost twoce as many rounds as either of them. Muh NATO spec that isnt actually a thing or used by anyone
>sup /k/ I picked up a 1911/mk23 for funsies
Czfags
>should have picked up a cz75 because 9mm just as good and smaller. Muh natospec.
And anyone explaining why the cz75 isnt the BEST gun for EVERY role including someone's specific purpose in mind.
Czfags
>fucking glockfags are the worst, shitting up /k/ with their fanboyism
>enjoy your sigrust
>hk, you richfags suck and we hate you
And they never make their own threads. They just shit up threads of others.
Gas the czikes.
It's a reliable, well made wonder9. Get it if you want it.
>>29371731
That's literally any gun fanboys on /k/.
>>29370031
me too, .32 is criminally underrated in terms of shootability.
>>29371831
-has a classic vintage flavor to it... Think of the millions of pocket 32's that were around from 1900-1940s
-semi rimmed for the extractor's pleasure
-small enough for double stack capacity in smallish handguns
-low recoil, most defensive loads are subsonic (great for a can!)
-John Moses Browning design
With modern defensive loads it really isn't that anemic.
Tbph I think that a p90/bizon style rifle in 32 would be a perfect home defense weapon. Have a folding stock, a nice red dot, a supressor, and a 80+ round helical mag
>>29371731
>they nevet make there own threads
You're posting in one, you sad faggot.
There is at least 1 CZ thread a day, and often 2-3.
Also, Glocks are trash made for niggers and white trash that can't into condition 1 or 2.
>>29368677
The shitstains that think striker fired triggers aren't a regression set upon us by satan himself have been multiplying.
>I don't have to hit anything outside of 25ft with my sidearm who cares about the trigger
>tee hee
>>29368677
cz's are fucking hipster shit, only poor fags own them.
>>29372009
And what is this thread about?
Why no one makes threads about cz's.
>>29373596
>And what is this thread about?
>Why no one makes threads about cz's.
OP here, that's not at all what this thread is about.
>>29369965
Must be the AT series. Those are damn good looking guns. They've got CNC look but without being as angular and sharp as the sphinxa, like a sexy transitional piece
>>29373516
Guess that explains the whole tactical sport line, the shadows, czechmates and the existence of Dan Wesson. Not to mention the rifles.
>>29373729
That's exactly what this thread is.
This thread is meta as fuck.
Notice how no one ever asks for the best IWB holster for a cz or any other practical discussions.
A cz thread amounts to a bunch of cz owners complaining about how other gun owners are too busy enjoying their guns to agree that a cz75 is the ideal Modular Offensive Combat Pistol since its already nato approved.
Im sick of it and Im sick of you.
Gas the czikes.
>>29374230
It is, I'm tempted to just throw my money at it.
>>29374606
Dat bore though.
>>29374613
Bidding on it is already going up and up.
>>29374661
Fug
>>29368915
to be fair, the CZ and its clones are the current pistol of choice in USPSA/IPSC Production if you don't shoot a striker, and are fairly competitive in classes where they're legal (aka not Single Stack or Revolver)
What is the point of owning a full sized handgun?
>>29374750
competition or because you're not concerned about concealability.
>>29374671
Well that blows. As far as variants go I think those early Sphinx 2000 P and H models are some of the cleanest looking guns ever. I would also like to pick up a Springfield P9 someday just to confuse people. Looks like one of those slightly off video games guns.
>>29374750
Same reason you would go with a compact over a 442 and because handguns aren't just for cc. Fullsizes are fun and easy to shoot. Better sight radius, easier to control, more capacity in most cases, extra velocity and any number of other reasons
>>29368677
I love it
>>29374819
CDISales has a compact P9 too.
>>29369981
the BHP is a single action. You cock the hammer for the first shot, the trigger only releases the hammer.
What's a good price for one of these? Buddy bought a 75 for around $500 a number of years back and the local store/range has an 85b for $650 that I've been on the fence about.
>>29375307
Depends if you want used or new. Used ones range anywhere between $275-$400. New ones range $525 and up.
>>29368754
>striker fired pistols
Not even once
>>29368878
Cz rami.
>>29374699
And czfags will recommend it for concealed carry as the best option because the actual merits of the pistol come a distant second to trying to convince others it's the best pistol at anything you could potentially use a pistol for.
If a czfag saw a bunch of 11b using an M9 as a hammer, theyd recommend using a cz75 instead because you wouldnt get sweat all over the inside of your slide and on the barrel.
>>29375926
>love
I would prefer a revolver for carry.
However the cz75 is a great gun.
>>29369953
>The only issue you may have with it is racking the skinny slide if you've got
>>large hands
100% this. CZ75 was my first (and so far only) handgun, but my brother's gun is so much fucking easier for me to rack it's honestly a thing that makes me dislike my gun a bit.
I do have large hands.
>>29375855
it's funny, the 2075 RAMI isn't actually a direct CZ 75 derivative, it's a CZ-40b/Colt Z40 derivative
too bad CZ doesn't make the CZ-40b anymore
>>29369531
and the rabid pro-cz fags only exist because of assblasted anti-cz fags such as yourself.
circle of life and all that.
>>29369787
I have average sized hands and love the feel of my 75b
it's true the internals aren't on par with SIG or whoever, but they aren't nearly so bad as your average com-bloc handgun
and there are models available with rails for lights
>>29368691
How does well >>29369555
that mofo conceal?
>>29368677
It's a good pistol talked up by obsessive fanboys, it's a bit like Earthbound for the Super Nintendo, great videogame, but hardly the end-all-be-all of the system's library.
If you want a CZ75, do get it, it's a good pistol, but don't get one just because other people say it.
CZfags do talk up the Vz.58 quite a lot too, when it's really pretty average.
Czech boltguns are pretty good.
Czech subguns are typically good (sans the 'Scorpion' 3 EVO, which is mediocre beyond belief)
Czech machineguns have been really good in the past, like the Zb.26 (Bren)
>>29368745
This.
there is an insane amount of complaining in this thread about CZ fanboys making ridiculous claims about CZs, and very few CZ fanboys making ridiculous claims
yeah, there used to be a lot of CZ fanboyism on /k/ several years ago, but I haven't seen it since then
>>29368878
I suppose that's the reason why Berettas are so high quality that they're used more than CZ in USPSA and IDPA, except that they're not.
>>29377224
This guy's got it pretty good. I have a 75d pcr and a pre b 85 (not the combat version true bre b) and I'm looking for a pre b 75 for the right price. They are great guns and I carried my 75pcr for a couple of years before I got my spike spiegel deagle.
And for further proof of the bullshit way this Mongolian archery board puts out I misread this anons line
>Czech machine guns
As
>Czech memeguns
And was immediately ass blasted by the use of the term memegun that all these 12 year old posters are using like crazy these days until I realized my mistake and that the retardation was on my shoulders
>>29377248
Thats a shit argument an you know it. Berettas can and have one competitions, but you have to consider what there is to work with as far as factory guns, after market and sponsorship. Unless Beretta introduces the Elite line again that leaves people with vertec or A3 for good sights or they have to dump a ton of cash for the combat or steel. The sheer variety of options is why you see 1911s, Poly wonders and CZs in comp circles, not because Berettas are of poor quality
>>29368734
This guy's right.
>>29368754
Fuck your shit.
>>29368677
OP, Jericho 941s go for slightly less and achieve roughly the same thing.
I'd get one of them instead, if I wasn't going for something easily CCable.
>>29368875
God damn, the 52 is some of my favorite gun aesthetics ever. It's so damn smooth. Unlike other mak variants, there's not a visual break at the trigger guard. By forgoing that, and with the barrel length proportions, it's just a lean and slender piece. Fuck. I just want it to have a child with a Browning hi power.
>>29377675
>CCable
wut?
>>29377789
Concealed Carryable you dumb fuck.
>>29368677
still loved, there are some samefags who troll here and try and call it shit because it became popular on reddit so, from their perspective, it is not a meme gun
>>29377758
What about that gun makes you think it's related to a mak besides originally being planned as a 9x18 gun
>>29368677
Been meaning to ask this, what would the reason be behind these dimples on the hammer? It's on a Tanfoglio compact if it makes any difference.
>>29376823
Maybe you should look at a 92FS if you have big hands?
>>29368847
get your ugly fuckin thumbs outta here
>>29379321
What the hell
