Vietnam dusts off assault guns and returned them to service. Jesus Christ.
>http://defence-blog.com/army/vietnam-returned-to-the-service-of-the-old-soviet-airborne-artillery-asu-85.html
>>29354131
Don't you dare talk shit about us. We are poor.
who the fuck still owns spg's doe
>>29354131
Quick, somebody devise an upgrade kit so we can turn these into the next gen. S-tanks!
>>29354670
120mm guns instead of 85mm and thermal sights.
>>29354175
Fuck you slant eyes.
>>29354131
ASU's are sexy. In that strange early soviet way.
Up gun them?
>>29354220
>who the fuck still owns spg's doe
practically every advanced military on earth
>>29354175
I love your Westernized food and your women.
>>29354131
>Jesus Christ.
big gun one track
what is the problem?
>>29354670
Its gun is not fixed, its not even close to a S. tank
>>29354131
Vietnam would make an excellent costumer for the M8.
Hell, considering the geography of the region, they'd need airborne tanks.
that or if they modernize the ASU-85's with slate armor, ERA and modern optics I bet they'd look awesome
>>29355064
Splat armor only work with RPG, they cann't stop ATGM and hight caliber HEAT
ERA won't work with infantry either
we still keep them in service because they are cheap and can be deloy to our island fairly quickly
>>29355112
And yet the base M8 is more armored than the ASU-85
>>29354987
Looks like someone wants to kose another war.
>>29355126
cause it is a light tank, not a SPG
>>29355136
*lose
>gookspeak intensifies
>>29355112
These questions are assuming that you're Vietnamese:
Are you guys eyeing American weapons now that the embargo has been lifted?
What do you think about the fact that the US is in the process of setting up equipment depots in Vietnam and will potentially have US soldiers based there?
>>29354175
I love Vietnam. You guys are so cool now.
Are Americans considered pretty okay over there? I kinda want to visit.
Last I remember, Vietnam had the highest pro-American approval in Asia.
>>29355204
That's Japan and Singapore you fucking mouthbreather
>>29355152
>Are you guys eyeing American weapons now that the embargo has been lifted?
yes, our MOD is interested in American anti submarine aircraft
we even considered the F-16 to be our replacement for the Mig-21
>What do you think about the fact that the US is in the process of setting up equipment depots in Vietnam and will potentially have US soldiers based there?
both Russian and American want to "rent" Cam Ranh base, but consider US hostile toward Communist, i don't think they could set a base in my Country
>>29355224
>>29355224
>>29355270
i can confirm this
>>29355289
I just want a cool Vietnamese friend I can shoot slav shit with and cuddle when I feel lonely
>>29355229
>a few hundred
charlie zerg rushed their way to victory by the thousands
>>29355152
>>29355230
Not anon but I'm Vietnamese too.
Personally I'm glad that the US soldiers want to settled in VN, we need their help to stop China to expand in the region, and the Russians are on the side of the Chinese
>>29355204
>>29355224
The Americans are very good considered by the Vietnamese, we are not rancorous.
![born+to+feel[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NeN7bIA.jpg "born+to+feel[1].jpg")
>>29355289
>TFW you will never have a black pajama VC GF to fuck while dressed as a nam GI
>>29355289
waifu material
>>29355336
>, we need their help to stop China to expand in the region
like the Flip?
nope
>>29355337
>iktf
>>29355357
if you want to remain the first world power, you have to.
>>29355152
Another Vietnamese here, that make three right?
>Are you guys eyeing American weapons now that the embargo has been lifted?
Yes, the embargo of the west toward Russia doesn't help as it make the relationship between China and Russia closer. This is a threat to Vietnam so we would like to have more military trading with other countries instead of only rely on Russia.
Also, we used to have a lot of old military weapons like M113, UH-1 Huey left behind after the Vietnam War. Most of them were use in the Campuchia War and Border War with China where we have to break down even the working one to take the spare part for repair the other one because of the weapon embargo against Vietnam. So if the weapon embargo was lifted, we will put those things back to service again.
>>29355353
a SEA union is better
Why not?
Makes complete sense given the experiences of NATO in the past fifteen years:
MBTs were extensively used as direct fire platforms to support infantry. Aside from not having the niceties of modern tanks (air conditioning), they would have been perfect for NATO use in Afghanistan, and would have been a fraction of the cost and maintenance.
>>29355353
this
>>29355405
>put those things back to service again.
they are still in active service, my friend
>>29355429
Yes, my men but not as active like the Russia stuff.
>>29355464
because we are producing Russian weapon
and right now we are outfitting American vehicle with Russia gun
like this M113, armed with Vietnamese make NSV
>>29355289
ugly gooks as far as the squinty eye can see
>>29355405
Interesting. And how are relations with neighboring countries like the Philippines and Indonesia? Considering you guys are near to one another and that you are all competing with the Chinese for control of the south China Sea id be curious as to the level of cooperation or even proposed cooperation
>>29355506
>implying you wouldn't fuck this
faggot get out
>>29355336
I'm this anon.
>>29355230
>>29355405
Are you afraid to serve if a war broke out with China ?
I live in France so I won't be enlisted but I want to know your opinion about that.
>>29355521
>Philippines and Indonesia
the Flip gorverment are faggot, all they know is their American big brother
Indonersia is a bit better, but they arrest out fisherman every year
>>29355539
>Are you afraid to serve if a war broke out with China ?
i am not afraid, but i don't think i will serve.
>>29355528
why is her bra clearly visible
>>29355583
thin fabric
>>29355539
The sense of duty, of serving our country always strong in Vietnamese people. As myself, yes I will ready die to protect my people knowing that all of my ancestors are just there, in this earth, bones and dust.
>>29355583
because hookers like to show off the goods to try to get customers
>>29355597
im vietnamese but born in america. theres some sense of a "motherland" for me but theres no way i'd die or fight for vietnam.
i might have vietnamese blood in me but im an american, through and through and its the only country i'd die for
>>29355568
So which countries would you trust in an alliance apart from the US then? Japan? South Korea?
>>29355568
I wish an alliance of SEA countries against china would form.
>>29355629
Yes, that because I born and live in Vietnam so I could understand you point.
>>29355635
India
maybe Russia, though we would only by their weapon
>>29355660
me too
but most SEA country don't have land border with each orther
>>29355660
Most SEA nations would probably want that, the issue is how you structure the military alliance and how will they cooperate with such small budgets and while being so far from each other
>>29355568
What are you going to do ? Hide ?
My father tried to hide to not have to serve during the war with Cambodia.
>>29355629
I was born in VN before immigrate to France, and my Vietnamese friends born in France are like you.
They barely consider themselves Vietnamese and speak Vietnamese very poorly, it's a shame.
>>29355410
>gun assembly includes bayonet
>>29354131
>>29355691
>What are you going to do ? Hide ?
they won't conscript every one, like what they did during Vietnam war
and i am too old for any future war
maybe i will join the militia force. but i don't think that would slove any thing, unless something like Ukraine happen
>>29355681
>Most SEA nations would probably
Confirmed for not knowing about SEA.
>Most likely Anti-Chink coalition
Philippines
Vietnam
>Fencesitting Neutrals
Malaysia
Brunei
Singapore
Thailand (neutral-ish).
>Fully in China's Pockets
Cambodia
Laos
Burma
Thailand (ish)
>Doesn't give a fuck.
Indonesia.
There's a reason why the SEATO collapsed m8. Not to mention why SEATO only had Thailand and the Philippines as member countries.
>>29355588
isnt she aware of that
>people does not have money for defense purpose thus must use old equipment
jesus christ
>>29355772
that why she wear a bra, a piece of western undergarments
>>29355764
>Indonesia.
they've started giving a fuck. They just made public an incident in which Indonesia arrested illegal Chinese fishers only to have a Chinese coast guard vessel seize the Chinese boat in Indonesian waters.
>>29355782
friendly reminder that Vietnam have the most powerful fleet of the region
>>29355410
Is that an ACE 23?
Damn the Viets have good choice in machineguns
>>29355795
i thought most women didnt want their bra to be visible
>>29355819
>Russians sold the Vietnamese better subs than they sold to the Chinese
love it.
>>29355825
It's better than tits, especially with thin clothing.
>>29355820
ACE 32 7.62x39
made in Vietnam
we also producing ACE 31
>>29355852
almost every girl on Tinder in Vietnam had one of those dresses.
now im horny in my uni Vietnam history class
>>29355528
>>29355528
Nice boobs.
>>29355871
>almost every girl on Tinder in Vietnam had one of those dresses
That's because it's a part of their high school uniform. Usually wear on monday and events.
>>29355830
they are both 636 Kilo
>>29355852
more slutty Vietnamese girl in traditional cloth
>>29355883
Shit, my bad. I thought PLAN only had regular Kilo's not improved Kilo's
>>29355882
makes sense. Any plans to modernize your guy's personnel weapons?
I know for a fact you guys are modernizing your navy, but with China bordering you guys, I'd think small arms would also be important.
Unfortunately I haven't found much info on your guy's modernization plans
>>29355893
/s/ thread when since /k/ is "SFW"?
>>29355918
China have both 877 Kilo and 636/636M kilo
>Any plans to modernize your guy's personnel weapons?
we are adopting Galil ACE 32 as service rifle
and a new double stack TT Tokarev, dub the K-14
i think we will put the RPG-29 into service to replace old recoilless rifle
>>29355935
sorry
>>29355967
No need to apologize. I liked the pics and didn't want to see them limited to only SFW options or the mods to come in and clear out any of them, so I figured I'd ask if there was going to be an /s/ thread as that is their kind of thing.
>>29355983
nah, i only have a handful of pic
here is the fb link for the original album
fb /tommyteophotos/media_set?set=a.1754059324824722.1073742074.100006620147850&type=3
>>29355799
Confirmed for not knowing about SEA Again.
People across ASEAN have been arresting Chinese fishermen silly for trespassing in their home waters without permission since forever. China can't do jack-shit about it because its clearly an illegal act.
Just like USA doesn't fucking rescue each and every citizen it foreign countries caught smuggling drugs.
>>29356102
But the fact is that China illegally entered Indonesian patrolled waters and part of their EEZ and basically stole back the Chinese fishing boat from the Indo coast guard.
Even if Indonesia doesn't do anything radical, the incident could certainly worsen relations between China and Indonesia (I will admit that im sleep deprived, so I apologize if I miss some things you say).
>>29356102
China doesn't care about laws anon.
They literally do whatever they want and nobody can do something about it because their army is so fucking huge.
>>29354131
Refit them to launch Spike NLOS ATGMS. Fucking deadly combat platform of the 21st century.
>>29354131
I like asu85's. I think theyre cute. Just slap some slat armor on there and good to go :3
>>29354131
>>29355010
>>29355732
I’ve always thought the ASU-85, in fact, all the MT-LB based vehicles, are the coolest Soviet era armored vehicles.
Based Vietnam, never learnd how to lose.
>>29357023
>>29357092
>>29357120
>>29357135
>>29357147
>>29354175
Fuck you slope
>>29357155
>>29355136
YOU GOOKS GETTING UPPITY AGAIN?
>>29357172
>>29355289
Goddamn I want a shiny high gloss m1
>>29357189
>>29356184
They don't have a particularly high regard for laws given their long history of getting fucked by other countries and their laws.
I guess getting the shit kicked out of you for the last couple of centuries will get you pretty butthurt.
>>29357231
> muh sins of the father
The US should have vehicles like this in their light/medium brigades
>>29357282
they have Sheridan
but they replaced it with MGS
the samething is happening right now with the A-10 and F-35
good thing they bring back the OV-10
i love that aircraft
>>29357264
Collective guilt is a pretty Chinese thing, though.
Families, generally speaking, are responsible for all family members and their actions.
If your kid fucked up, it's your problem because you didn't raise him right. If your parents fucked up, they probably fucked up raising you.
I don't think it's right but I can certainly understand the emotions behind it.
>>29357314
good, no matter how sexy it was the Sheridan was a goddamn deathtrap. plus, gun launched ATGMs are retarded and having a gun that ruins their electronics with it's recoil is double retarded.
>>29357314
sheridan is a piece of shit
I'm talking about some low profile stug style medium tank that can can handle older MBT's/RPG's
>>29355841
How do the Galil ACE perform over the AK-47 ?
Is it more difficult to manufacture ?
>>29357314
>they have Sheridan but they replaced it with MGS
This is that bizarre myth that the Stryker MGS replaced the M8 despite its different purpose and a decade between the M8 being cancelled and the MGS entering service.
>>29357463
compare to the AKM
ACE is heavier
and the rear sight is wable
>>29355427
need moar Vietcong-Chan pls
>>29357576
Vietcong chan is best chan
>>29357630
you truly are doing god's work, you know?
>>29354987
don't talk about our new best ally that way....all they have to do is rename it Saigon.
>>29357656
i am?
>>29357673
yes, yes you are.
how /k/ friendly is vietnam? is it like Thailand or Burma where you can pay a guy to shoot an RPG at a cow?
watching a couple travel features convinced me it's worth visiting for the beauty of the place alone.
>>29355353
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary.
What's next, the president will visit Fidel?
>>29354670
Bigger gun, bolt-on composite armor.
>>29358756
The last time I went to Vietnam, anyone could shoot with AK-47,M16 and M60 at Cu Chi, you only had to pay the bullets.
My cousin who live there tells me they had to learn how to assemble and maintain an ak 47 at high school so I think it's pretty /k/ friendly.
>>29355629
Fucking Diaspora
>>29355270
There are no eternal enemies, only eternal interests.
>>29359633
We can't all be Congs. Besides, some relatives of mine were the first to get purged during the Tet Offensive.
>>29359774
Not Viet, t b h.
Just empathizing
>>29359708
Ain't that the truth. IMO we're sort of coming full circle on US-Vietnam relations considering that we actually backed HCM near the end of WW2. We may have backed him further if FDR hadn't died. Reading up on the OSS and HCM is pretty interesting.
>>29354131
As an easily transportable armored vehicle the ASU would fit the bill, but Vietnam really does need to start modernizing its stuff.
>>29355353
>>29355528
>>29355852
>>29355883
Damn, these are some cuties even now. Back before the Agent Orange days the Viet girls must have been unbelievable.
>>29357181
>wanting to lose to rice farmers again
You're not tired of retreating in hueys and then importing shitloads of slanty immigrants to un-white your country?
Good for you you dirty cong!
I'm kinda surprised your not flying the worlds second largest fleet of Hueys.
Just make sure it can kill Chinese tanks. Cause who else would bother invading indochina today?
>>29361142
China light tank. Sure
China MBT, nope
>>29360279
> we actually backed HCM near the end of WW2.
Until we realized Ho Chi Minh couldn’t be controlled or bought off, as he was a through-and-through Communist and any attempt at dealing with him would never work.
> We may have backed him further if FDR hadn't died.
Then thank God he croaked when he did, too bad it wasn’t sooner! That crippled fuck handed over half of Europe to the Soviets because his administration was infested with communist spies and he actually thought the U.S.S.R. was some kinda benevolent United States of Europe…
>>29361251
You are fucking retarded ho chi minh actaully loved the good old US of A.
We actually shot ourselves in the foot by treating him like crap and rejecting him over and over in the end he turned to the commies which helped him out as a fuck you to the west
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_involvement_in_vietnam.htm
>>29361251
No, dipshit, until the French literally blackmailed us into trying to restore their little colonial leftover. Ho hi Minh was a nationalist first and foremost and was in fact MORE INTERESTED in allying with the US than in allying with the Soviets or Mao - they only became a valid choice for him after the US had slammed the door in his face.
Yeah, sure. He "handed over" half of Europe to the Soviets. As in, the half that they took themselves with or without his or anybody else's approval. And what you gonna do about it? Try and go for Operation Unthinkable, which is just going to end in the allied forces in Europe rying to backstab an ally against any and all public opinion in their own countries, only to get their faces kicked in to the tune of suffering worse casualties in the first tow or three months than during the entirety of their scrum with the nazis?
Great fucking idea there, chump. If you want to hand over ALL of continental Europe to Stalin, that is.
>>29361385
Not evne as a fuck you. Ho wanted an independent, united Vietnam. That was his overriding goal. He didn't buddy up with the Soviets because it'd tick off the US, he did it because they offered the best chance for him to achieve his goal after the US walked out on him.
>>29361251
Yeah the guy was a pretty commited commie, but we may have been able to have a non-aligned communist nation in Asia to unbalance the Combloc. Working with commies to bring about the end of communism as global force is a valid tactic (see Nixons visit to China). I agree that FDR was far too lenient with Stalin and handed half of Europe to the dogs, but on the subject of HCM it would've been better for us to back him. I contend that if we did we may have over time modified HCM's brand of communism (he was at least willing to admit some mistakes like the disastrous land reforms North Vietnam pulled in the late 50's-60's). The guy did not like Stalin or Mao at all and we may have been able to have some form some kind of agreement with him. Perhaps it's all wistful thinking, but the guy wanted to warm up to us more than the Soviets/Chinese. At the present I see little reason why we shouldn't improve ties with Vietnam to contain China.
>but Muh commies
Communism as we knew it in the Cold War is deader than dogshit. There's shopping malls and apple products in China and Vietnam, and their governments suck the capitalist tit just as surely as they continue to say they're adhering to Communism.
>>29361251
>>29361385
As with everything the truth lies in the middle. HCM liked the US, but he made the French so butthurt that they threatened to leave NATO if we didn't stop supporting him against the Chinese.
HCM's (and indeed almost any Vietnamese administration's) chief foreign policy goal was to attract sufficient foreign backing to prevent Chinese Aggression. Distanced from the West due to French butthurt, the only other pole to gravitate towards was Russia, but China was in Russia's sphere, so HCM was wary. But as Chinese/Soviet relations cooled, that brought Russia back into play, and then as US relations with China improved, we ceased to be an option.
Once the Soviet Union collapsed, and US planners started to see China as the principle future rival, suddenly good relations with the US is an important foreign policy goal for Vietnam.
Fucking France ruins everything.
>>29361551
Guy from
>>29361625
Here. While I got on the we should've helped HCM train, the guy was indeed a communist as much as he was a nationalist (he helped found the French Communist party and according to records he wept with joy upon reading Lenin's works). He was in cahoots with the Soviets long before he made contact with our OSS agents. The crucial thing is that despite having been to the USSR he was still willing to work with us to some degree, and that was an opportunity to jump on. Also fuck you for saying it was okay to hand over Eastern Europe to get fucked by the Soviets for the next 50 odd years.
>>29361551
We could have taken 3/4ths of Germany instead of half, and we could have held a stronger line on the issue of Poland and Czechia. We decided the fate of purported allies before the end of the war, and we held back on the Rhine until Berlin had fallen.
An independent Poland on East Germany's back step breaks Soviet control of East Germany decades earlier.
so is there really any chance vietnam would even put up a fight if china decided to take all of their islands?
>>29361635
edward lansdale actually propsed fucking the french gov because the french wanted to topple south vietnam out of saltiness using mafia elements the did a lot of damage fucking frogs
>>29361657
>Also fuck you for saying it was okay to hand over Eastern Europe to get fucked by the Soviets for the next 50 odd years.
It wasn't "okay", it simply was the only realistically viable choice.
>>29361659
Not really unless we wanted to completely kill our credibility in international diplomacy. The borders were drawn already and Pacta Servanda Sunt. Also, we wouldn't have gotten all that much anyway outside of the romaticised bullshit fantasies of a couple anti-commie warhawks of the time.
And Stalin wouldn't give any fucks about tough talk about Poland or Czechoslovakia. "Holding a stronger line" is utterly meaningless when you have no leverage worth talking about. And no, we didn't "hold back" on the Rhine. Fuck, we got lucky to get Remagen bridge just about as logistics were getting sorted out enough to make that last push viable - gave Varsity a pretty decent kickstart. (And we crossed the Rhine before Berlin fell btw, you fucking ignorant.)
An independent Poland is complete and utter wishful thinking that ignores any and all actual facts on the ground. You might as well demand a unicorn and world peace from Stalin while you're at it. Actually, you're more likely to get the unicorn than an independent Poland from him.
>>29361759
Navalwise they could put up a short fight, land wise the Chinese probably wouldn't push in but they could she across the border (they used to do this during the Sino-Vietnamese border clashes). I don't see the Chinese going that far but it's a possibility
>>29361897
Other guy again, we still could've pushed forward and forced some change of the borders and told Stalin to suck it. The guy already distrusted us since before the war began and we were far too lenient when we were negotiating with him. I just feel we could've done something more for the allies we ended up abandoning in Eastern Europe.
>>29361906
*shell across the border.
>>29361385
>>29361551
Jane Fonda, please.
>>29361759
we have 6 Kilo, 4 Gepard corvette, and shit ton of small missile ship
consider the Chinese won't bring all of their ship into the small and sallow sea and we have our Airforce
a Naval war will turn ugly really fast, but we won't go down without a good fight
>>29362294
whatever happen to the Neatherland sigma class ships?
>>29361759
Sure they'll put up a fight, but the end result will be similar to Saddam v USA. The power difference between China and Vietnam is simply too big.
>>29362331
last year, some news claimed that it was canceled
early this year some claimed that we will built them in Vietnam
>>29361625
>>29361635
Ho Chi Minh was a True Believer in Communism and any acceptance of him, automatically meant full-on communism throughout Vietnam, he wasn’t going to drop that and become some kinda “communism-lite” and the U.S. wasn’t going to and shouldn’t have accepted that either.
The myth that the Vietnam War could have been avoided if only the greedy ‘Murricans had cut some kinda deal with Ho Chi Minh is just that; a myth.
>>29362342
>Saddam v USA
Saddam lose because US claimed that Iraq have weapon of mass destruction, the whole world turn against Iraq
the samething won't happen to Vietnam
>>29361778
Perfidious fucking gauls.
>>29355528
hnnnnngggggggg
>>29357663
Why rename it? It was always Saigon.
>>29362385
I contend that HCM may have changed his mind later in life if we chose to have dealings with him. Even if it meant having a full on communist nation as a friend, if it meant creating a gap however so small in the overall worldwide Combloc then I see it as a good reason.
>>29355334
"Charlie" didn't win a single battle. America lost the war all by itself at home.
>>29355270
Charge your fucking phone you barbarian.
>>29362431
>ho chi minh city
>>29362237
There was one exception to the rule that all our foes have committed the Decadence Assumption. Ho Chi Minh never underestimated America. His avowed hero was George Washington and he remained in awe of the U.S., all his life. He remains the only enemy leader who ever defeated us at war, and then only because our hubris (not decadence) got the better of us.
David Brin, in "A rant about stupidity... and the coming civil war..." at Contrary Brin (4 October 2009)
>>29361635
>>29362395
>>29361778
it was a huge cluster fucking mess for sure
>South Koreans had 300,000 troops in the fight. North Korea sent fighter pilots to fight for the Commies. Australia sent 60,000 Aussies. New Zealand sent a bunch too. At one point, the CIA began fighting a proxy war with the French through the anti-French Diem and the French started paying off Asian mafias and Saigon’s police force to try to recapture power from the U.S.
>It became such a drunken, bare-fisted, harebrained brawl that CIA agent Edward Lansdale floated the idea of of orchestrating a coup against the French. The goal, said Lansdale, would be to “make a lady out of a slut.”
>Officials, of course, actually considered it.
>So in the end, here’s the breakdown: America fought North Vietnam, who were also fighting the Aussies. Australia was also fighting the Pathet Lao. While the Pathet Lao was beating back the Montagnard. The Montagnard fought the rabid nationalist militia. The nationalist militia fought the Catholic militias. The Catholics fought the Viet Cong. The Viet Cong were doing battle with South Korea. South Korean troops were bombed by their neighbors up North. Because the North Koreans were helping the Khmer Rouge and fighting the French. The French bribed the sects. The sects pulled a fast one on the gangsters and fought Americans.
Will this even put a dent on any modern Chinese tank?
>>29362431
it used to be Gia Định
Sài Gon is only one of it name
>>29362385
I am saying that having a gommie ally would have done us more good than placating the French.
Ho Chi Mihn's communism was centered around the fact that in decolonializing Vietnam, foreign owned assets would have to be seized in order to allow for actual independence, and it's well established that gifting these assets to local "Big Men" creates Banana Republic Coruptocracy.
Ho Chi Mihn's communist state would have stayed communist at most 20 years in a time line when we told the french to fuck off in the 50s and openly backed Mihn. He would have lived to watch the reestablishment of property rights, and the cost of the Vietnam War was higher than French lifetime contribution to NATO.
I recognize that the rest of NATO would have been super nervous about this, and that it would therefore be impossible, but still.
Cuba stayed communist for over 50 years because we isolated it. How long will communism last in New Cuba? A year? Two?
>>29362500
Not in a MBT, but the Vietnam border is shit territory for MBTs, the Chinese have their own light tanks expressly for the military units that are based in these southern sectors.
It can kill these tanks.
However, it likely has inferior optics and fire control, and that will make engagements with these light tanks very risky.
>>29361897
>Not really unless we wanted to completely kill our credibility in international diplomacy. The borders were drawn already and Pacta Servanda Sunt. Also, we wouldn't have gotten all that much anyway outside of the romaticised bullshit fantasies of a couple anti-commie warhawks of the time.
In this imaginary world, Roosevelt dies before selling Europe to Stalin. Pacta Servanda Sunt, indeed.
We could have gotten anything we wanted out of the USSR for the low cost of giving them less free shit prior to 1944.
>>29362391
You do know the US gave him chemical weapons during the Iraq-Iran war so of course we thought he still had them.
>>29362493
>He remains the only enemy leader who ever defeated us at war, and then only because our hubris (not decadence) got the better of us.
Jesus Christ, there is one fucking person to have straight up, unequivocally won a war against America. One fucking person, how the fuck hard is it to remember them?
>>29362493
Other guy again, I'm a tad doubtful that George Washington was his avowed hero. I'm aware of his fascination and respect of the power of the US but I still think he was dedicated enough to Communism to know that we weren't going to see things eye to eye. You appear to hold the image of HCM as a nationalist in your mind, to me he's a man that managed to blend it with Communism (somewhat skillfully I might add). The main reasons I think we should've courted him as a friend are purely pragmatic (gap in the Combloc). He wanted a big friend to safeguard Vietnamese sovereignty in a region with enemies. On those terms I could understand a mutual understanding and relationship. However even after reading a bit about him I don't understand how he thought we would receive him that well given how we feel about communism. Also this is a technicality but he never lived to see the reunification. I am slightly disgusted with the Vietnamese politburo building a mausoleum of him and putting his image everywhere because he specifically did not want that.
>>29362675
The gas weapon caches found in Syria were originally Saddam's weapons
I don't know why that's so difficult to understand
>>29362675
>You do know the US gave him chemical weapons during the Iraq-Iran war
Weapons imported by Iraq, 1973-2002:
USSR - 57%
France - 13%
China - 12%
Czech. - 7%
Poland - 4%
Brazil - 2%
Egypt, Romania, Denmark, Libya, USA - 1% each
Data from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, via "Weekly Standard", April 14, 2003.
>>29362772
I know he was a commie but he wasn't so full blown commie brainwashed that we could not have used him as an ally as many people believe
He towed the line carefully to not side with the Chinese or Russians to heavily and he really distrusted the Chinese, especially since they kept stealing the good equipment russia sent and they knew chinar was hungry for some more land
>>29362832
If you import 1 million AKs but only 10,000 VX Warheads that's still a highly dangerous 1%
We need other numbers otherwise that data is meaningless
>>29362860
AROUND CHICOMS
YOU CAN NEVER RELY ON
except when they steal your clay
>>29355229
>>29355229
>>29355334
>literally lost 12 gooks for one American kill
>>29362910
>spent 5 time Hiroshima worth of bomb in 12 night alone
>only get a 12:1 kill ratio
>>29362860
>Wasn't so full blown commie brainwashed
Eh, kinda sorta. He did very skillfully play the Soviets and Chinese off against each other, but if you read some of his stuff he still spouts a lot of the mainline communist rhetoric and believes it. However as I said earlier he did have some ability to learn over time and if he had been alive at the end of the Vietnam War I can almost guarantee that the postwar setting in Vietnam would've been better. Or not, Le Duan and the other members of the Vietnamese Politburo were actively working on sidelining him during the last years of his life, but the internal fuckery of Vietnamese politics is a different topic (these are the same fuckers who went full retard and tried to go full Socialism on Vietnam and ended up tanking its economy).
>>29362952
Not that bad considering how hard it was to hit shit in the jungle. Also are those newer production AR's or are they built off of older receivers?
>>29362968
they are US made receiver
probadly converted from full length M16A1
the convertion was done by Vietnam factory
>>29362953
eh at least they kind of put a stop to pol pots shit cannery sort of
international politics is long and weird and complicated
no wonder hollywood dumbs everything down
>>29363034
>put a stop to pol pot shit cannery
That was indeed a good move on their part, however it did kind of fuck them for the next 10 years internationally since for some reason everyone stopped giving them loans or trading with them with the sole exception of the USSR and some of the combloc. Hence the economic Doi Moi reforms, re-invention of Vietnam's international image in the last 20 years (including withdrawing from Cambodia after a rather long and arduous occupation), and gradual shift to the west that we can see in the last 10.
>International politics is long and weird and complicated
Yep. Trying to explain current events and their immediate historical backstories to my college peers is like speaking to a wall half the time, they either do not understand, only get part of the message, or don't care. Maybe that's why our foreign policy is constantly fucked six ways from Sunday most of the time.
>>29363104
I know that feel bro I love reading and studying about international conflicts and the history behind them, interesting to see all the flips changes and after math and the effects it has today
But most normies all they can see clearly is 10 years back and only have a basic understanding of why things are they way they are if even that
>>29363172
Most of the time shit goes back, way fucking back when it comes to international conflict or tension. However most people and the media have the attention span of a retarded lemming and need shit spoon fed to them to understand.
>>29363104
I'm actually going down the foreign policy career path because I think the US is way better at foreign policy than domestic.
My theory is that unlike health care or education, foreign policy is rarely in the news enough for the American people to take an interest in it and fuck it up.
>>29363213
I too have thought of taking it up as a career, but some how I have a bad feeling that some of the older or stupider higher ups will make it a fucking nightmare
I had that experience in the military with the brass not really knowing much or bothering to learn much about the locals in Japan shit made me cringe a lot
I ended up becoming the Asia expert on my unit and had even higher ups asking me questions about the locals or other Asian countries, niggas would bring me coins or currency to identify, what the local girls liked how to travel to china how to greet the JSDF officials etc
>>29363265
From what I understand, Foggy Bottom still has a university ivy tower kind of culture.
At a minimum, the people who sign up for foreign policy jobs have an interest and an education in the field.
>>29355204
you will have a shit ton of fun in vietnam provided you go with friends/family or someone who speaks the language and research what you wanna do (and research common sense stuff on how to stay safe in a poor coutnry). I shit you not, in my humble opinion, its better then the rest of SEA and fucking cheap as a mother fucker (I'm talking 10 bucks for a good ass 3 hour massage session, .33 cents average for beer on happy hours, less then a dollar for a good ass plate of rice and meat when you're hungry, etc). I'd even hold it in higher regard then Japan (which is disappointing) but not SK (which is amazing). And you almost absolutely never get this "gaijin go home" attitude from people, except a few bad situations with pushy asshole salesmen (really fucking pushy) and motorcyclists
I dunno I really shill for that places tourism after having gone all over SEA last summer, I definitely wanna go back.
>>29363302
Well good luck anon I am still trying to find my passion and calling in the world
>>29363370
It was nice I only went to Hanoi and Ha long bay
It was cheap as fuck
I heard ho chi minh/saigon is a lot better
Where did you go anon?
>>29363213
I've thought about that as well, I just don't know what kind of career I'd end up in. I guess I could go to grad school for it but I'd want to know what I'd be getting into before putting money into it.
>>29360702
>some cuties
there are a lot of cuties actually. Western and South Korean culture reigns king in Vietnam and most of SEA desu. Most of the city girls you find try to emulate the look, and its really quite appealing. Countrysides an entirely different story.
>>29363400
In Vietnam? I went all over, I only meant to stay in HCMC but I ended up loving it so much I booked tours to Da Nang, Hanoi, Hue and some fucking beach.
>>29363453
how is HCMC compared to Hanoi anon?
>>29363416
this lots of qts they like dancing with Spic GI me
>>29356708
>saving thumbnails
>>29363491
i didn't stay in Hanoi as long as HCMC cuz we kinda toured right through it, but from what I experienced, HCMC is way fucking better, from day to night there was always something going on or something to do in HCMC, its just a really vibrant city. Also much more opening to westerners and a lot more english speakers, because Hanoi was the capital of the pinkos and HCMC was the capital of the ARVN. You also run into waaaay more foreign travelers in HCMC (I honestly saw more white people in certain parts of HCMC then I've ever seen here on an average day in Cuckifornia) so most nights if you go to Bui Vien streets you'll be partying with guys (and a shit ton of hot girls, like a metric shit ton of hot traveler chicks) from Europe and Australia along with the natives. and I keep tellin people, the beers like 3 for a dollar on happy hour, its the shit.
>>29362504
Fuck you zipperhead. I will blind fold you with dental floss and march you to the rice fields. Motherfucker.
>>29363601
oh and its like the whole countries hooked up on WiFi, you go into almost any restaurant (even a lot of middle of no where countryside restaurants) and asked for a wifi password for your laptop or phone or tablet and they just give it to you
>>29362879
The Iraqi chemical plants where the poison gas was made, were built by the Germans and French.
The U.S. is to blame for letting the Invasion of Kuwait, Desert Storm and other events that came after happen (all for Israel's benefit) but we did not arm Saddam.
Does it have to do with China?
>>29364315
everything has to do with chinar
>>29363601
Besides the ticket for airfare, how much would one need to visit Vietnam for roughly 2 weeks while visiting both Hanoi and HCMC?
>>29364854
I budgeted about 3000 for a month there. (Though I also went to Cambodia and Thailand so the flights might have inflated the costs)
I'd say look to spend 1500 dollars. You won't spend all of it there, but in the event that there is an emergency or whatnot, its best to be prepared and to allocate the funds accordingly.
If you go, ya gotta take the reunification express train. Just don't take it for long trips because even the soft bed sleeping cars are uncomfortable after a while.
If you go to Hue, rent a motorbike and ride from there to Hoi An. Its a nice town (tourist resort town, but still really nice). The bike ride along the Hoi Van pass is amazing
>>29364877
Damn, that actually sounds pretty affordable even to a college student like me. Ever since visiting the Philippines I've wanted to visit the other SEA nations at some point or another.
>>29364897
yeah, its why im going back for round two with a buddy next year.
Fucking love the country. Though its probably best to go now, because soon it will change. The number of tourists that go to Vietnam is starting to grow, and I fear that it will become more "touristy"
>>29362466
>>29364912
I'll have to get in on this soon then
>>29364935
Well if we're getting hyper technical here and if he's referring purely to the VC and not the NVA, the US did kind of fuck the VC into the ground during Tet and the aftermath. Afterwards they were relegated to support roles and were unable to launch similar offensives afterwards (also if we're getting political they also replaced most of the Southern VC commanders with Northern ones, leading to speculation that the North had a side objective to Tet in that it wanted to get rid of the Southern leadership).
>>29364976
>(also if we're getting political they also replaced most of the Southern VC commanders with Northern ones, leading to speculation that the North had a side objective to Tet in that it wanted to get rid of the Southern leadership).
I love it when this comes up.
VC were almost completely supplanted after the Tet offensive. The offensive itself was a major failure; the uprisings they believe would happen as a result from the attacks never materialized and apart from Hue, most of the territory they seized was quickly taken back.
Their only victory was the destruction of the VC and through that, the destruction of the purely nationalist movement in Vietnam. This would then come to haunt them as the US began to shift strategies and went for a hearts and minds tactic, because most of the "VC" were now NVA, they were not locals, so it became difficult for the NVA to control large areas as the local population slowly became hostile towards them (because the NVA were forced to steal supplies, they were not a grassroots rebellion anymore and because the US was actually winning over some of the locals).
Sooo... are we friends now US-senpai ?
>>29357172
I got a question, why do soviets would put logs on the sides of their vehicles? Was that some sort of poor protection?
>>29365548
i think they are for muddy situations
![20141226-vac-sung-hoa-cai-xong-vao-nha-ban-bi-thuong-2-nguoi-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gcuubs1.jpg "20141226-vac-sung-hoa-cai-xong-vao-nha-ban-bi-thuong-2-nguoi-1[1].jpg")
>>29359086
only highschools designed to serve the big Party: laws, military-related etc.
and the rest of the population is pretty clueless about weapons, gangs buy blackmarket guns, mostly home-made shotguns with bird-shot
>pic related
>>29354131
why bother? they're possibly the most globally irrelevant country on the planet, except maybe Mongolia
>>29365494
>she is running on plants that purely grow on water
>>29355229
>Whole united states army made up of conscripts with convoluted rules of engagement and a drug problem
VS
>100 communazi farmers who strap bombs to children
Would be more accurate
>>29357335
It's pretty metal that Chinese Emperors had a law that allowed them to them to wipe out an entire family for the slight of one member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations
>>29361934
A couple extra kilometres beyond the Elbe. hat's the extent of it. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And of course Stalin can just reciprocate and keep half of Austria and all of Berlin in return.
>>29366163
Patton said he could have taken berlin if he was allowed
>>29364935
Nice argument, Charles
The VC and NVA seriously did not win a single notable victory over American armed forces.
>>29366904
All those times the US abandoned their bases & retreated don't count huh
>>29366914
I guess if the guy you were responding to was being anally technical, it would be that the US was never put into a position where a battle was lost in such a way that entire large formations were wiped out/large amounts of men captured. They didn't have a Dien Bien Phu like the French did.
>>29355204
>>29363370
>Tfw starting to regret refusing to learn Vietnamese
>Tfw spoke it when I was a child because my mom would teach me it but didn't ever plan on going there
Dang.
