Ok , Dumb Question : Could a group of Civilians operate an Artillery cannon / mortar with just a day of formation?
Mortar maybe, direct fire from static position easily.
Mobile mortar setup or indirect laying calculations difficult.
Artillery, direct fire unlikely, indirect complicated and unlikely
>>29342608
Not at all. 10-15 days of professional instruction, probably
why not? theres probably a few instructional videos online on how to do all of it.
>>29342632
Isn't it all calculations made by computers now?
loading and firing probably but actually hitting what you're supposed to at 10 miles away no
refer realign aiming
POLES
>>29342654
Could there be like a trained guy doing the aiming, while the rest reloads and shoots ?
IDF calculators/apps are available at various places. I'd say yes. Direct/LOS mortar fire is pretty fucking easy.
>>29342608
I wonder about this too..
But if operating guns required a Phd,it would be quite difficult for armies to recruit soldiers, wouldn't it ?
Not saying that this would be easy to learn, and/or that they would be efficient with it..
>>29342632
This more or less. If one of the team members was experienced in orienteering/map reading and algebra indirect mortar fire is doable.
>>29342608
yes
as strickely a civi i feel as if i have the ability of deduction and reason and could figure out how to operate any form of artilery or anything in this world (aside from the supercollider) with just a day or a few days of studying
aside from that im sure there ar enough military brost hat have seen them operated within a militia that could give a basic deonstaration on how they have seen them operated in orde to cut tha time in half.
(drunk as shit please forgive spelling errors)
As long as some sort of FO is present, and they can get a round in the vicinity, he can walk them in.
11C course is like the easiest shit in the Army.
>>29342691
You have no idea what goes into providing accurate indirect fire. Please remain silent.
>>29342608
I'd definitely want to watch them practice from a distance
>$5 someone gets their shit smashed apart like an angry gods rage from the breech recoil
>>29342691
>algerebra
Look at him. Look at him and laugh
>>29342671
IDF isnt just calculate angle - in basic mode each box of US 81mm has a cardboard whizwheel calculator that can give a rough:
range= elevation and number of increments
and to be accurate you really need to use specialist handheld computer unit that isnt Apple/Windows GUI but cryptic milspeak button labels
but
elevating barrel means fixing, then setting and levelling sight unit (the bit hanging off side in attached image), then settng bearing relative to preset aiming post and elevation angle - then crosslevelling both traverse and elevation bubbles (like spirit level) simultaneously by manipulating all 3 handles (elev/traverse/crosslevel) that interact as you wind each independantly while keeping optic sight line aimed at aiming post...
>>like 3handed balancing act
then set correct number of increments on each round
then set fuzes, remove correct safety pins
then the simple bit of dropping bomb down tube
but this upsets both bubbles so back to 3 handle winding to level again
>>repeat
The Japanese got mortars right.
http://youtu.be/anlaOcpi8JA
It's so simple and incredibly effective.
>>29342653
Not exactly an iPhone app
I am aware as how to fire a mortar.
Don't think 4chan is the right place to discuss charges/ranges/mills and stakes.
>>29342825
Yes, simple direct fire with estimated elevation is grunt-simple
>>but even allegedly competent US grunts fucked up with the knee-mortar meme
>>29342855
RIP that dudes leg
>>29342667
the shooting part is just a part of it all. you need forward observers to call in fire.
Then you need a group(FDC?) of guys to calculate the data from the FO to elevation, azimouth and type and amount of charges for the actual gun.
low IQ military grunts think operating a field artillery piece is difficult lol
>>29342653
You point a laser at a target, it gives you exact coordinates, you send this datapacket on your laptop to the battery and they just adjust their fire accordingly.
>>29343085
>lmao, I did everything fine in Battlefield, why those idiots thinking that I'm not as good as they are
>>29342608
It's a 3 week course in the FDF. Add to that 5 more weeks of training and 7 of operating as a part of a larger organization. What kind of proficiency are we talking about here?
>>29342807
>implying I'm going to do all that nerd calculator shit
>implying I won't just pick that thing up and use it like a bazooka
>>29343107
>6 June 1944, Pegasus Bridge
>be British
>ordered to stop Panzers battalion
>walk up to Flak 88 cannon
>aim, load and fire shells singlehandedly
>under increasingly intense fire
>for 5 minutes
>kill 100+ Germans and several tanks
>save the bridge
>get attaboy
It's possible if you were some living God of war.
>>29343263
>tfw the tigers keep coming...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ZlMXkzUqI
>>29342608
Yes.
Even by just fiddling with it, without an instructor, they would stumble across the proper means of operation.
They would need more than a day to do it well, though. There's a good reason why arty folk aren't trained in a day.
>>29343260
Another
>>29342855
>>29342608
One WHOLE day? The difficulty of modern artillery is keeping it working not making it work.
If a group of civilians stumbled upon a modern US artillery piece and had 24 hours to start lobbing rounds the probability of them doing so is far greater than people assume.
The problem comes when the artillery piece has one of the 1001 problems, both minor and major, that it runs into every day.
Now aiming? That is a different story, but I assume all these civilians want to do is blow up a building down the road from them that houses terrorists...
No. The average person is retarded and you're more likely to have someone injure themselves just deploying or aiming.
>>29343267
That level was crazy with Nazis coming from like, 3 directions at once. The final minute when the song starts playing is the reason why CoD was such a great game. The fatigue from both the pitched battle and seeing another dying antiwar quote was good. Realizing that some of our ancestors fought in missions like this was great. When the music came in I suddenly imagined myself in my grandfather's place. I've never met him yet somehow I felt like I knew him better seeing a glimpse of what he went through, though still knowing he had it far, far worse. I have never had a gaming moment like that since, and seeing the state of modern CoD pisses me off because I'll probably never get that feel again.
>>29342608
It's done twice a year in our conscript military.
I would day that there needs to only one guy who knows what to do and rest of the crew operating the artillery can be literally anyone with no experience.
>>29342835
M23 is old school. It's LHMBC now
But yes, some civilians could get it figured out fairly quickly. Especially if they were doing direct lay
>>29343288
Whoever made that image is stupid as fuck, the AR-15 is a perfect platform for children.
>>29342835
>>29344165
I also preferred the M23 over the M32. It is extremely easy to use
>>29342608
The army's artillery men are pretty dumb so probably. Cannon cockers, as a general rule of thumb, are only smarter than cooks and cage kickers
>>29343260
>mynigga.jpg
>>29342825
Shit for a light mortar this is pretty damn great, where did we go wrong /k/
>>29343263
The gun at pegasus bridge is still there, and it's not an 88, but some noname 50ish millimeters
>>29342608
COULD A HOOP OF MILLIONS MARMALADE A GLITTERY CANYON?
>>29342608
>mfw I used to do trigonometry in school with an abacus for fun
The right group of civilians? Sure.
A half dozen dumbfucks from the hood? Let me grab some popcorn.
>>29342608
Put shell in, pull small rope, shell comes out and now no one can hear. Don't seem that hard.
>>29344183
is of joke, anon
>>29342676
>But if operating guns required a Phd,it would be quite difficult for armies to recruit soldiers, wouldn't it ?
Operating artillery is just a sequence of steps. Once you know the steps, you can practice them until they're easy to follow.
All the army needs to do is recruit one smarty man to figure out the steps, and another to teach the steps. After that, it's all just practice makes perfect.
A group of civilians who don't know the steps could fuck around for weeks before stumbling across the right sequence.
>>29342608
With a professional directing where to fire easily within hours
Without a professional probably a few days to get used to using apps and what not
Shoot (somewhere) with it? Sure.
Problem is that "operating" an artillery piece/mortar is more than just shooting with it.
Maintenance, moving the fucker without breaking anything, taking proper care of the munitions, not putting it in retarded places and retaining combat effectiveness while operating a tube for weeks on a period, setting up comms with the calculator/FO and knowing what the fuck different fire commands mean and how to shoot them are things you need months of training for.
>>29342608
The short answer is yes, but not very well.
THey could learn to basically operate the cannon quite fast (by that, I mean, loading and shooting), but accuracy would be horrible. Artillery usually takes smart recruits (especially officers) for a reason. But there's a way around! Even without well trained operators, you could achieve somewhat decent efficiency with mortars and rocket artillery (think Katyushas, Nebelwerfers, Grads) quite fast, plus mortars and unguided rocket artillery is easy to maintain, operate, and you can even make ammo without too much hassle.
>>29344270
Former 13 bitch here. although that may be generally true there are many very intelligent soldiers in FA. don't remember my exact score, but i know i was AFQT category 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJgAMpRG-k
1941 says it'd be pretty easy
>>29345001
the short answer would be no then.
>>29342608
what did you do OP?
>>29342608
Artillery is mathematics. At the highest form you have engineers making the missiles while the soldier just pushes the button.
>>29342835
Yeah, I have ballistics calculator on my phone
Could pay 40 bucks, and it will tell me what to set to hit any other point, using weather data from accuweather.
Pretty sure its what the rebels in Syria are using with the IPAD photo.
