Alright /k/, how does a man with diagnosed mental illness go about getting a gun in the US? I'm considered unsafe to give a gun to and it's fucking bullshit.
YOU DON'T.
You don't actually believe the propaganda the American government spreads, do you? You think America's a free country?
from a legal perspective unless you've been involuntarily held in a mental facility or adjudicated insane by a judge you're not disqualified federally, whether it's a good idea for you to get a gun is a different question
>>29327027
How do I know you aren't with the ATF?
>>29327027
Just remember, if you plan on shooting anyone, shoot yourself first.
>>29327027
they don't. enjoy not owning a gun because you wanted to get medical attention for a mental illness.
>>29327027
Have you ever been *involuntarily* committed to a mental institute?
>>29327027
That sucks, but as far as the law is concerned, too bad.
For my own 2 cents on my own opinion on it, what's your mental illness?
>>29327027
ATF plz GTFO
>>29327027
you can make one
>tfw bipolar and diagnosed
>tfw still allowed to have guns
>>29327027
Dear Autist / ATF agent please google 80 percent kit complete and regain your second amendment rights.
I guess you could also get Tor browser and connect with some of your fellow agents or feds on a darknet market.
Hope things work out OP, mental illness isn't real. And I hope to be a Fed one day too after college. Have a nice life.
>>29327532
>mental illness isn't real.
Hi dad
>>29327027
I think you can still legally own a blackpowder gun if it's considered by the ATF as a relic, though I'm not entirely sure.
>>29327439
Yes, make sure the ammo is working properly by testing it on yourself.
>>29327027
Best way is to drive into your garage (borrow one if necessary,) leave the vehicle running, turn up your favorite music (or listen to Limbaugh, doesn't bother me,) and relax for a few hours.
>>29327556
He can theoretically own about any gun made before 1898, since those are antiques and can be mailed directly to ones door without a problem.
>>29327532
>mental illness isn't real.
Shut up, John Travolta.
>>29327027
>Alright /k/, how does a man with diagnosed mental illness go about getting a gun in the US?
Have you used force or threatened to use force outside the context of self defense?
>>29327586
We live in a society where just about every human emotion and characteristic can be described and prescribed for medication which can label people. Classify them and disable them of their rights. I have studied psychology and biology, and I am not saying there are not some chemically unbalanced people. I am not saying there are not people who have an excess of dopamine in the brains and hear voices.
What I am saying is that the majority of Americans are over prescribed and over labeled. And OP was obviously sane enough to type his question without seeming crazy.
Probably because he is ATF.
>>29327507
Homemade sub machine guns are all the rage austrailia
>>29327027
see
>>29327122
>>29327447
These are the correct answers. Provided you have not been involuntarily committed for psychiatric care and have not been adjudicated mentally incompetent to manage your own affairs, you can own a firearm. Provided you do not live in a yuppie filled proto-socialist commie shithole of a state.
Furthermore, if you voluntarily commit yourself for psychiatric care you are generally also in the clear. Source, personal experience.
The big question is an introspective one in regards to whether you believe you can handle the responsibility of owning a firearm. No one but yourself can answer that op.
>>29327664
for got my link
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/
>>29327649
That's something else completely different than stating that "mental illness isn't real".
As long as you haven't been involuntarily committed you can own guns.
I've even been diagnosed with DID and my therapist said she thinks target shooting is a positive coping mechanism.
>>29327586
This is what mental illness looks like in our country right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwywPGAZ43Q
>>29327649
>Probably because he is ATF.
Do you have paranoia disorder?
>>29327027
Call Jacob
Can someone educate me on 80% guns? Can anyone buy a kit from an online store without any ID or background check?
>>29327707
Nah what is it like training in FLETC or Quantico?
I am not trying to blow anyone cover.
I know you guys have to make these treads and find find people selling so you can entrap them. Totally cool with it.
>>29327649
Kek i studied biology too. Its called tenth grade science class.
>>29327780
Nice cellular molecular and forensic here.
Another two years and i'll be a forensic tech.
I am not sure they accept 10th grade diplomas where I am going.
>>29327649
I studied Bio, then realized I liked psych more and switched my major to that.
For the most part this is true, though.
>>29327692
>>29327780
As I have posted several times lately, y'all niggas need to read up on Thomas Szasz.
>>29327771
>not seeing the irony in my question because of that reply of yours
Come on
>>29327769
A lower receiver is the part of the firearm that is officially considered a firearm. An 80% lower is not a firearm. Literally anyone can buy one.
>>29327878
>Thomas Szasz.
And who is that exactly and why is he an authoritive figure?
>>29327769
you buy an 80% recever and you have to finnish it yourself
if you are not famillar with metal fab i wouldent attempt it
but yes you can buy an 80% blank and finnish it yourself no paperwork involved depending on state laws
because before its finnished it is still considered a hunk of metal not a fire arm by the atf
>>29327122
What about those stories vets with PSTD that can't get them?
>>29327977
Thanks Obama.
>>29327977
Would fall under the "adjudicated mentally deficient." Apparently some loophole saying that if the VA says you need someone to help manage your money you technically aren't mentally competent.
>>29327532
>mental illness isn't real
For the most part you're right, its completely subjective what is or isn't "ill", doctors have no idea what actually causes a mental illness, and there is no actual proof psychiatric medication improves a person's quality of life in the long term.
Inb4 " muh chemical imbalance" fags start whining, there is no proof that chemical imbalances cause mental illness or that psychiatric medication fixes a "chemical imbalance".
>>29327445
I have schizophrenia, I didn't get diagnosed because I wanted attention, my mom just took me to the doctor and had me checked because I'd always act differently from other kids etc etc.
>>29327532
>mental illness isn't real
Really nigger?
>>29327676
Well that's good to hear, although I have gone voluntarily no one ever forced me to go. And I believe I'm fully able to responsibly own a firearm.
>>29328361
Depending on your state of residence I believe that providing evidence you are supporting yourself and managing your own affairs can be used to get your gun rights back.
>>29327027
Just buy one with cash off Armslist from an unscrupulous seller.
>>29328241
>there is no actual proof psychiatric medication improves a person's quality of life in the long term.
Stuff like antidepressants are more of a bandaid than anything else; they get you functional again quicker than stopping life to figure out exactly what's causing a person's issues. That's why it's recommended that someone go through both medication and a psychiatrist, if it's possible.
>>29328564
*psychologist
A psychiatrist just shills pills, while a psychologist/LCSW/etc. actually provides therapy to treat the illness without needing chemicals.
>>29328361
Yeah nigger basically you have different oral bacteria and an excess of dopamine in your brain. The excess of dopamine leads to reduced size of the function of the brain that performs reality checking.
Taking drugs won't help you and doesn't fix it, it puts parts of your brain to sleep.
Taking nootropics would help but you probably don't even know what I am talking about.
The only thing that defines you as being mentally ill is your ability to hide it and act normal. And you have already screwed that up by seeing a doctor.
Mimicry and acting normal is the key to a healthy functioning mentally ill 2nd amendment, gun owning Americunt.
And it also helps knowing your limitations, meaning if you have decrease in the reality checking part of the brain. Maybe keep a few close people around you and run ideas by them to make sure you are not buying into the bullshit your brain is making you think.
The next biggest breakthrough in mental illness research will connect oral bacterial and gun bacteria, and the pro-macrobiotic ratios define them.
Also even now they are working on oral testing for schizophrenia.
So yeah nigga.
gut bacteria*
>>29327507
Nice dick
>>29328604
Forgive my terminology, I'm sure you still got what I meant.
>>29328608
That's interesting anon. Personally I've fully quit taking all the drugs I get prescribed (courtesy of /pol/), but I'm afriad th damage has been done because my idiot mother stuffed me with the stuff.
>>29328668
Just nit-picking. Current psych major planning on going into clinical work, plus I kind of have some of my own issues.
>>29328719
Yes actually the damage would not be until the late years of your life.
Because of antipsychotics you have increased risk of diabetes. (depending on which one.)
End life greater risk of dementia.
If you really want to maximize your functioning look into Nootropics and skip the doctor.
Piracetam, aniracetam and any other -tam
If you can afford also modafinil can be ordered online.
All the things I just said boost mental functioning and the functioning of the immune system. They decrease reaction time and neuron membrane permeability, meaning singles and hormones can travel faster so you think faster. In addition they repair brain damage, anything from the racetam repair brain damage.
Treat yourself and look into it, you can go from feeling like you are mentally ill to being the normal guy and not caring about how other people see you. Because you won't give a fuck, and you'll realize when you are not acting normal.
other benefits, not ever getting sick, feeling creative, being able to focus, always feeling in the zone and getting everything done you need to and NOT procrastinating.
>>29328564
>Stuff like antidepressants are more of a bandaid than anything else; they get you functional again quicker than stopping life to figure out exactly what's causing a person's issues.
Yeah and there is zero proof that they improve someone's longterm quality of life.
Hell there isn't even conclusive proof antidepressants are effective and worth the inherent risks they pose
>>29328608
>excess of dopamine leads to reduced size of the function of the brain that performs reality checking.
And that's why total Normie's will never get it.
anti-depressants are one of the worst things a person can put into their body.
Took max dose of Effexor XR for 8 years and weened myself off using Nootropics and piracetam.
I have had 10 times better health and life relationships. I can deal with 100% more stuff now opposed to when medicated.
>>29328859
Why wasn't your unmedicated brain able to deal with it back in the day, then?
>>29328870
The suicide of my brother and being a typical neckbeard and not knowing what my purpose in life led me to go on antidepressants.
15 years later, went off antidepressants and quit my job. Took care of my father while he died from cancer. Started college and maintained 3.8-4.0 GPA.
Finishing first round of college with zero debt and two degrees. When from being a neckbeard to lifting and becoming a muscle chub.
Now I see my doctor who prescribed me anti-depressants and anti-psychotics around town. He knows I quit taking all meds, but thinks he helped fix me.
Really, he was just helping me ignore shit.
Be me, own tons of guns and a home, have a purpose in life. Know what my purpose is, I am motivated everyday without injecting chemicals but Nootroics do help me function.
I am technically mentally ill as per the view of people in my life. Will not see a doctor.
>have mood swings and depression for the last 6 years
>multiple therapists and taking an assload of different anti-depressants has had little effect besides dulling some of my mental faculties
>have recent resurgence in depression and mood swings
>get prescribed more meds and shit
>start to think that the meds have been doing next to jack shit and may not be helping
>Mfw this thread basically confirmed it
Well shit. What are some practical ways I can try and achieve some semblance of normalcy? I've tried to self-diagnose myself based on some of what I'm feeling, but given the myriad of supposed mental illnesses that may or may not exist im not sure if it would help.
>>29328942
I have had a similar experience m8, I had PTSD and alcohol induced psychosis misdiagnosed for schizophrenia and like four other mental illnesses, I lost about 4 years of my life dealing with a lazy doctor who making life altering decisions based off a couple 15 minute sessions.
>>29329045
How bad are the mood swings, and any other possible "symptoms?" While I'm not exactly qualified as far as clinical psych goes yet, I still used to be in a job that involved a lot of analytical work.
>>29327439
TRUTH
>been considering suicide for 10+ years
>too pussy to do it in any way that isn't a bullet to the head
>never seen a therapist or doctor about it, so nothing on record
>about to get my fun permit soon
>cant fucking wait
Feels good man.
>>29329185
Eh, largely me going from 0-100 in the blink of an eye depending on the circumstance, usually me snapping at someone in a manner disproportionate to whatever they may have done. The anger doesn't last too long, but it can linger for a few days. Other times I get really despondent and negative thoughts just fucking snowball until I'm convinced I've done something horribly fucking wrong and that I should throw myself off a bridge or something. Also accompanying all of this
>black and white thinking
>feeling like the worlds coming to an end on a regular basis
>issues with thinking positive in any capacity
Lately I've been working out and doing other physical activity which helps to some degree, but it only seems to temporarily relieve me of the mood swings. My psych put me on Wellbutrin and Ramiron, and thus far they only dull some of my emotional feedback. Tried going off them completely for a week but the withdrawal was hell.
>>29329590
Adding to what I just posted, if I had to summarize what I'm experiencing I've strongly suspected I've got something akin to Borderline Personality Disorder, but I'm not sure how valid it is and I'm not sure I don't want to get diagnosed as such considering that they're probably going to put me on more meds.
>>29327027
nigga you retarded?
gun shows
>>29327027
OP do you believe the Earth is flat? How do you feel about so called chem trails?
>>29329621
Oh, I'm literally teaching a lecture on BPD within a week.
Since you're already seeing a psych I'd definitely see about being evaluated for BPD, which despite being often viewed as "more severe" than depression is actually technically treatable without meds, and can often be treated into remission within a year and a half.
Based off the "mood swings" it's not uncommon for BPD to be initially diagnosed as depression or bipolar, especially since comorbid disorders are common. But the most effective treatment for borderline personality disorder at the moment is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, and meds are usually best used temporarily to relieve symptoms to give time for the therapy to work.
>>29329705
And I probably should mention I was the anon with DID, since BPD is a common co-morbid diagnosis and the one that lead to my discharge from the Marines.
>>29329721
...*led
>>29329705
>>29329721
Thanks for the info man. I was initially kinda freaked the fuck out when I realized I matched most of the symptoms. But I've been in hospital psych wards twice (both voluntary) and I'd rather not repeat the experience a third time.
>>29327027
>diagnosed mental illness
so broad as to be meaningless except to scare people who think they are healthy normies.
>>29328361
>implying its a good idea to let someone who is schizophrenic have a gun
>>29329760
See: this thread and responses.
>>29329767
There are a lot of different symptoms across the schizophrenic spectrum. Anhedonia is enough for a schizophrenic diagnosis. Positive and negative attributes of schizophrenia (not meaning exactly what you would think) are very different things.
There is a lot of ignorant stigma reminiscent of jim crow that remains in legislation.
>>29329767
if this person is so fucked up as to not allow him basic rights, why is he allowed to walk around with the rest of us?
>>29329806
Again, a lag between reality, common sense, science and legislation.
>>29329805
Just make one
>>29329805
>>29329806
People with schizophrenia are inherently a danger to themselves, others, and society. It's like adding fuel to a fire.
>>29329853
>People with schizophrenia are inherently a danger to themselves, others, and society. It's like adding fuel to a fire.
Not necessarily, like I said there as a number of attributes that can cause you to be diagnosed, correct or false.
And if they are only a danger to themselves, who gives a fuck? It's an individual's right to decide when and if to end things, or if they even should. Stripping them of that right or otherwise trapping them is how you end up with massacres.
>>29329853
if thats true then they should be institutionalized. if its not true then they should be allowed every right you or i have.
>>29329933
>>29329895
There be both positive and negative attributes and many can be medicated or treated. It doesn't inherently absolve them of civil rights or individual responsibility.
>>29329959
In any case, Schizophrenia tends to be the extreme of the diagnosed mental illness spectrum. "Mental illness" has frequently proven invaluable to human evolution, technological and social development and history, Jews on the other hand...
>>29329974
Most clinicians list " schizophrenia, DID and BPD" at the "top three" most difficult to treat.
Though only one of those absolutely needs meds to be treated.
>>29327027
Unless you've been declared crazy in front of a judge, you're in the clear. Due process is a right. Without due process, you cannot be stripped of your constitutional rights.
>>29329767
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>29329959
Researchers have known for years that people with schizophrenia recover better in poorer countries where they have less access to western medicine and a recent study has shown that schizophrenics who do not take medication are far more likely to recover.
Psychiatry is an utter sham, its current obsession with "chemical imbalances" is no different from the obsession with lobotomies and insulin comas it had in previous decades.
>>29330066
>Nonsense designed to sell pharmaceutical drugs to the state.
How shocking and original! It's almost like they rely on social stigma to hide their filth, indiscretion and outright lies!
It's almost like they continually disgrace and shortcut the scientific process with half proven methodology for profit.
>>29327487
why would anyone want that large of a mag release?
>>29330109
Yep, a lot of the stuff psychiatrists claim as scientific fact has about as much evidence as their schizophrenic patients delusions.
>>29330004
Sounds like some Freemanontheland in here
>>29330196
>tfw stop at 711 on way home from security job
>group of teenage shitstains on curb vaping, one has skateboard
>360 degree awareness kicks in
>remember training from Guard unit(I could have deployed if it weren't for my knee)
>crouch down to lower my shot profile and begin hyperventilating to super oxygenate my blood in case of fight or flight
>one of the teens begins hooting
>"AY BREH ER YUU OHKEY?"
>he's clearly on bathsalts, defcon 2 has been reached
>he makes a move in my direction
>draw my EDC marine flare gun and launch one across the bow
>the shot misses and lands in someone's parked car
>it bursts into flames
>Teens are nowhere to be seen
>Paki 711 managers emerge with softball bats
>beat me to submission
>arrested and 5150'd
>typing this from state psychiatric facility
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
>>29330348
They let you have computers in your psych wards? You lucky fuck.
Buy a black powder pistol from before 1890's. Then figure out a more efficient reloading system.
>>29329767
>mentally ill people dont have a right to self defence
retard
>>29329290
don't do it senpai
instead of putting bullets in your head, put them downrange
feels good
>>29327027
Go back in time and don't rape all those kids(?).
>>29330763
this
>>29327915
He was a psychologist who was critical of the way the field treated patient rights. He was especially critical of the throw-shit-at-wall-until-something-sticks approach to diagnosis and prescribing medication. A lot of his base knowledge of the field slowly became less and less up to date as he got older, but he still had some valid points. The field isn't as bad in these regards as it used to be, but it still has major issues with over-prescribing certain things and a reluctance to embrace things like brain scans to look for indicators of schizophrenia.
source: I was put through the mental health ringer while in highschool because my home life was shit and my teachers didn't want to deal with me. Then my autism kicked in and I learned all sorts of useless trivia.
>>29327027
If you are considered unsafe to have a gun, go fuck yourself OP. YOU are the reason for all the troubles for gun owners. Go kill yourself.
>>29335587
>OP has mental illness he hasn't declared
>could be something that doesn't make him unfit to own guns
>anon: "kill yourself"
Maybe you're the one that has something wrong with him
>>29335587
>>29335817
Maybe if you pumpkins read the thread you'd know OP is Schizophrenic.
>>29335858
>Schizophrenic
I lived with a guy who was schizophrenic, he dealt with life just fine, but you could easily tell there was something kinda really wrong with him. He had one weird attack or whatever of his schizophrenic condition, and I'm glad he didn't have any weapons to speak of.
Seriously, he was actually scary to deal with that day, and the next day when the police/detox released him, he had no memory of anything he did.
I should seriously hope he or OP can never have a gun. I know they could easily in spite of legalities, but that's not my point.
