ITT: Turds that keep getting polished with the distant hope of producing gold
AK's and AR's
>>29325390
Seconded ARs
>>29325368
But the AUG is actually good.
>>29325368
This thread
>>29325585
That's an AUg though.
>>29325390
>>29325432
But the AR is cheap, easy to modify, and simple to use in the field. They're amazingly resilient rifles that will be around even when the next big advancement in small arms arrives (looking like thousands of years for now).
>>29325368
OP's past ten years
>>29325672
>AR
>resilient
>>29325672
Yeah nah
>>29325838
>>29325821
Really? Name one rifle that's better suited to the modern infantryman than the AR15?
>>29326023
HK 416
>>29326023
beretta arx160
>>29325368
You.
>>29326023
45-70 Lever Action
>>29326023
Ak74
AUG
Tavor
G36
>>29326023
tavor, and I don't even like it that much.
I suspect the MDR will be a great option though.
>>29326023
SCAR 17S
Jesus this whole thread is shit.
>>29326569
>wahh wahhh
>mommy, somebody criticized me special gunsie wunsie!!
>wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>29326023
INSAS
>>29326584
>people shit on AUGs and ARs
>suggestions include the HK416, ARX-160, and G36
Yeah no. This thread is a dumpster for all the wrong nogunz on /k/ to vomit their half-thoughts.
>>29326584
>gunsie wunsie
I shouldn't be laughing at this
>>29326781
Then you're right at home
>>29326088
You mean arx100, 160 is 22lr
>>29326408
I second this
>>29326781
To be fair, none of those are bad guns
>>29326023
Don't argue with retards. It means they win
>>29326821
no. the mil. spec. version is also called the ARX160 as well. Beretta split the name to differentiate the civilian and the military models.
>>29326781
Give me one reason why any of those guns are worse than an AR. Protip, you cant.
>>29326023
LR308
>>29327115
>308
>better suited to the modern infantryman
>>29327132
it most certainly is. hell, anything with more stopping power than 5.56 is a blessing.
>>29326023
Hi point 9mm carbine.
>>29325390
>>29326875
nor are the AK or AR
>>29326074
That's an AR youn tard
>>29326074
Literally an AR
>>29326088
>>29326408
>>29326741
Kek
>>29326497
The AUG's alright but the Tavor is literally a gun designed to look pretty. It's pretty obvious you've never handled one if you think it's better than an AR. The main reason I don't like balloons is because they aren't really a lot of extra use to a typical infantryman, while adding another thing to break rather than a traditional trigger.
>AK
Literally every new rendition of the AK copies something that showed up on an AR first. A 74 is a 20 years late catch up rifle.
>G36
There's a reason the Germans are buying an AR.
>>29326499
Same thing about the AUG, not much superiority over the AR, there's not a significant enough change to warrant adoption by anyone but Poland.
>>29326536
>>29327115
>current year
>.308 for every man
Also extremely expensive is a reason a gun will not be adopted as well. A million ARs for cheap is better than the slight improvement and massive price hike a SCAR brings.
>>29327973
>criticize notion of SCAR or LR308 as main battle rifle
>dont bring up weight
>>29325368
wat is ACOG modelle
plz Help me plz
>>29327852
Kek. Well baited.
>>29327852
>stopping power
INSAS
N
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>>29325368
Sorry, cant hear you over the sound of my country's rifle NOT jamming due to a bit of sand.
Buy a fucking AR, if you dont like superior Austrian tech.
Pleb.
>>29328440
>my country
>rifles don't jam because his yuropoor country can't into ammo for training purposes let alone real combat
kys thanks in advance
>>29328440
What is this, 1968?
IT AINT ME
IT AINT ME
>>29325368
The F90 and the whole Steyr AUG family are the ultimate turd rolled in glitter.
>Heavy
inb4 muh 3.25kg F90. ADI/Thales figures are nearly always fluffed. A normal Grunt's F88S-A1 rifle with a NAD, Trijcon and M203 would be well over 6kg when loaded. Compare that to any of the AR variants and you can lose 1-2 kgs on almost any other platform.
>Can't shoot with your non-master hand from the shoulder
Have to do this retarded shoot with your master and from the non-master shoulder or cause stoppages as the cases can't eject.
>The worst trigger on any firearm I've ever used
Long travel, non-gradual increase, have to go through the long travel each shot due to 3.5-5mm long sear in trigger group
>Expensive
When I last worked on them they were $2100-2300 each depending on the variant vs $800 for a bulk order of M4A1s
>Poor build quality
Typical Australian manufactured goods. Can't remember the number of times I had to send back parts that failed from the factory.
>No STANAG mags
This is the most ridiculous part. Just make them fit the same mags as everyone else.
>Zero interoperability due to unique parts between models and export models
You really triggered me OP.
>>29325585
No it's fucking not.
>>29328731
When they see years of operational use the trigger only gets worse, the cunt I had to shoot on the weekend felt like someone put glue around the trigger. Every digger I've spoken to either wants the a modern SLR or the m4. Fuck yuu Thales.
>>29329615
>at least it's got a properly integrated grenade launcher now!
I'm old enough to remember using the L1A1 SLR in service.
I have also used the M16A1 and the M4.
The SLR was always a handful in close combat but it was reliable, rugged and most importantly, accurate.
The M16A2 was a pain in the ass to use. Always required cleaning, always ripping the rim off cartridges, furniture broke all the time and the body would warp if you you fired too many rounds too fast.
The M4 was a little better but still a prick to use, not the most accurate weapon to ever be fielded as a HS carbine.
The F88, F88c, F88SA1 and the F88SA2 served me well through Somalia to Afghanistan. The only stoppages I ever got with an F88 that I SBFd my self where empty magazine and the rear gas stoppage. They could take an enormous amount of punnishment and mistreatment, did not even stutter when covered in sand or mud. I found the Styres accurate out to the effective range of the optics, light and handy, easy to clean and maintain.
I never joined the "must attach everything to my rifle" crowd, a NAD or a NWS was all I ever used but I do love the GLA.
>>29326023
Chauchat
>>29330785
which army were you in
>>29328731
Everyone is always surprised that a small nation with almost zero long term plan or support for its own industry cannot compete with established players with a foothold in the international market. Can't build a strong manufacturing base in a 3 (often less) year election cycle.
At least Lithgow can make a good .22lr bolt action rifle kekekek.
>>29328731
>>29329615
>>29330875
You guys know that Steyr is an Austrian company, right?
>>29326408
Good 'nuff for injuns
Good 'nuff for durkas
>>29330915
No...no its not
SCAR-17s
>>29330932
https://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/
wtf are you on about
The australian military makes licensed versions of the austrian AUGs you mongoloid.
>>29330822
Clearly the Australian Army
>>29327973
>A 74 is a 20 years late catch up rifle.
Who knew that 1963 to 1974 was 20 years.
>>29329615
Reservist here
>Doing my MOD2 training
>Some Rupert tells me to reload my F88 while I'm prone
>I cain't do it, I simply cain't
>>29330822
dollars to donuts he's a canuck
>>29331034
You gotta be a retard then, because out of 80 raw recruits on their second day in the army and most of them first time ever handling a weapon, I didn't see a single one who couldn't reload their AUG while prone.
>>29325672
It's going to be as cheap as you make it. You get what you pay for.
>>29327084
>G36 can't run hot rounds, literal broad-side-of-barn MOA after a mag's worth or so
>ARX-160 is fucking bulky
>HK416 bitches out and FTFs if it isn't using their proprietary fucking magazines (on a weapon DESIGNED TO TAKE AR MAGS)
>all of them add no additional functionality as a weapon compared to an AK or AR
The fuck outta here with that weak shit
>>29328731
>>Zero interoperability due to unique parts between models and export models
Why is there a difference in parts between the EF88 (domestic) & the F90 (export)? why the fuck would they do that?
>>29331122
That's confidential information mate. There's a lot of undisclosed tech in these bad boys. Carry on, and don't poke your nose where it don't belong again.
>>29330822
Australian army.
I have been in so long that when I joined I enlisted in the regular army supplement.
>>29326023
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>>29331258
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>>29331280
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>>29325368
AR-15's
AKs are gold that keeps getting polished to produce turds
>>29330932
Found the newfag
>>29330466
The old GLA attachment feels like it fucks with the rifles balance, I've not touched the new one but I'm gunna guess the new GLA does too.
>>29331034
u fuckin lid cunt
>>29330785
Mate, why the fuck are you still on here.
>>29325672
>AR
>resilient
No thank you. I wouldn't dream of butt stroking someone with it. The front hand guard is even worse. I feel like it will crack and fall off if I look at it wrong. It's a tack driver, when it works.
>thousands of years from now the AR will still be in use
OH GOD SAVE ME BABY JESUS
>>29325672
the only reason it's cheap is because of the panic in 2012, prior to that the AR was typically expensive and priced well above an AK, when the panic hit manufacturers started making so many AR's and parts that now ARs are cheap. As far as mods go you can add rails to anything, yes you can change uppers but that has no practical value for the general consumer beyond changing caliber which you will only be able to use one at a time anyway so might as well just get a second lower and have 2 rifles. as far as resilience goes just about everything else on the market not made by a company like century is better
>>29326023
A stick or maybe a good rock to throw
>>29331744
Fuck off rockfag. Pebbles are more aerodynamic and better rate of fire.
Does it have any redeeming features?
>>29331764
For the millionth time, A1 was a bag of shite, A2 is fine and has had some good modifications including the rail system made by DD. The whole thing is lighter and better.
>>29331788
>A2 is fine
>Rifle can be rendered completely unservicable just by incorrectly rotating the gas plug during removal
>>29331801
>weapon can break if you dont know how to disassemble it
...k
>>29331308
This.
>>29326023
Jesus, why would you even say something like that on /k/
>>29325368
Why didn't they ask Geissele to make them real metal trigger instead of airsoft toy?
>>29328731
>inb4 muh 3.25kg F90.
Actually it is not heavy for rail equipped carbine.
>Compare that to any of the AR variants and you can lose 1-2 kgs on almost any other platform.
More like 200 grams in case of F90.
>>29327972
It just has the AR's ergonomics. The main feature of the AR (direct impingement) has been replace from an AK/FAL derived piston. Eat shit.
>>29327972
>>29327973
>literally an AR
spotted the nogunz retards
>>29331937
Gas system is not a single and only feature of the gun.
>>29326023
American ignorance at it's finest
AR15s are for rednecks and bored housewives.
I'm amazed the United States military can spend a trillion on the F-35 (shit) but won't invest in a proper firearm.
>>29326821
no you fucking inbred cunt
t. i used it
>>29332001
(Thou)
>>29327973
>>29331034
>he can fucking tilt his rifle a few degrees
>>29331034
how did you even get to your mod 2
you should have done regular requals in the simulation thing and you have to do put a mag in while prone during those
>>29327888
But anon carbine is solid other than 10 round mags
>>29330785
>FAL
>accurate
>>29327973
>Germans
>buying an ARs
Back to plebbit you go
>>29331951
>only difference is a piston instead of faux-impingement
>not an AR
>>29328440
>he thinks ARs are unreliable
>laughingwhores.jpg
>>29325368
Saiga 12
>>29326023
Galil AR, HK 33, HK G36, FAL, SCAR 16, SCAR 17, HK 416, HK 417, Rk. 62, Rk. 72, Rk. 95, Rk. 62M, Galil ACE, AK-107, AK 12, AK-74M, HK G3A3.
This list can go on and on, brother
>>29325368
PTR rifles >>29331852
The Gun Of The Future Will Be
>belt fed
>polymer cases
>closed bolt as standard, but able to be changed to open bolt in a field strip
>carbine size
>>29331034
Tilt right, cock, lock, look in. I despise the F88 family but it's not hard m8.
>>29326023
Fat penis. Wheres my ban mods?
SCAR 16
>>29329615
The most common cause of that is spalling in the butt stock where the trigger rod slides. After a few years of dirt, dust, water etc in there the plastic loses its shine and then spalls, even with graphite applied regularly.
Thales deny it's an issue, but I found the only way to fix it was to replace the whole buttstock assembly. Note it's about $400 for one.
>>29330875
>support for its own industry
ADI/Thales arms and ammunition divisions were propped up with years of pork barrelling. They were never competitive but were retained simply because of national security concerns. Instead they produced a terrible product at triple the cost of anything European or American.
The wider manufacturing industry needs to pop the titty of government out of their mouths and realise what comparative advantage is.
>>29330915
>You guys know that Steyr is an Austrian company, right?
Yes, but the original AUG has been bastardised under licence in Australia since the mid-80s.
>Why is there a difference in parts between the EF88 (domestic) & the F90 (export)? why the fuck would they do that?
Some of the differences are minor, some major. For example trigger assemblies are not interchangeable between the Austrian, Australian and New Zealand models. The Australian one has a drop safety the Austrians don't have, and the New Zealand one has different specs owing to the different safety catch.
Differences include the wet or dry compensating tube springs (return springs), cocking handles, sling swivels (yes sling swivels??), gas regulators, and of course the gas port is different depending on which ammunition your country produces.
Australia produces single base propellant, whereas everyone else uses double base propellants. Hence there is a lower port pressure with Australian F1 Ball. If you run M855 through an Australian F88C you'll blow the top off the gas regulator after a few hundred rounds due to the 3mm gas port vs the 2.2mm original gas port. Retarded.
>>29331917
>Actually it is not heavy for rail equipped carbine.
Correct. But Australia tens of millions of dollars and 25 years getting to a point where it's orphan rifle is roughly comparable to what the Europeans and Americans have been using for 15 years already.
Plus it costs twice as much to purchase, and if it's anything like its predecessors will cost $100-$300 per year to maintain in parts alone.
>More like 200 grams in case of F90.
Yep, but Australians spent more than 10 years in Afghanistan with guys having to hump around the old versions.
In 2008 I remember comparing what our guys were using with that of the SOTG. They had M4A1s with a PEQ2 and various sights. All came in at around 3.5kg loaded. Which was 400g less than the unloaded weight of an F88S-A1. The grenadiers were the worst off. With an M4A1 and M203 attached it was around 4.5kg, a full 1.5kg less than our guys.
The apologists all say it's not much, the SAS and Commandos get whatever they want, it's more expensive (which it's not), support Australian industry etc. But the reality was for nearly 30 years we've had an outdated, unreliable, heavy, expensive service rifle that has failed to keep up with anything our partners are using.
>>29337068
>Most reliable weapon in the weapons testing the Army did
>turd
Yeah keep on telling yourself that, kiddo.
>>29337443
yes that's why they picked it
>OHWAIT
fag
>>29337164
>>29337334
Would have been cool to see an Australian AR derivative with Steyr mag compatibility. Probably far less effort than the AUG upgrades.
>>29337567
They'd still fuck it up, badly.
>>29331951
spotted the tard
>>29327973
just destroying everyone one after the other, fuckin kek AR mastee race
