Can the British Armed Forces still be considered a military superpower today, post empire?
Nope. It took all they had to fight off Argentina in the 80s and they haven't gotten much better since.
Daily reminder that Britain fought and won a conventional war in the 80s, whilst America has been getting BTFO by middle eastern children, young Vietnamese boys and Arabs with box cutters since 1945.
>>29320428
Yes, undoubtedly.
They can project 15k people simultaneously almost anywhere in the world in 1-3 days indefinately.
This is not a big boot, but this is a powerful scalpel.
They also have (mostly soviet-made, but whatever) nukes more than china has it.
UK is the biggest threat to the world due to their insane politics. All this gun-hysteria in USA, "eco" energy projects around the world and china building a ton of empty housing is just the preparations for ww3, due to UK losing it`s grip on modern germany. And we all know, how they resolve this. They push continental nations to another world war trough intelligence.
And their intelligence is the most powerful one in the world.
Windsor must be nuked for the good of all humanity as soon as possible, or at some ceremony, when at least a big part of their hierarchy will be present. This will save billions lives, if not humanity in general.
>>29320428
> It took all they had to fight off Argentina in the 80s
You really don't know much about that war then.
>>29320515
>They also have (mostly soviet-made, but whatever) nukes more than china has it.
What.
>>29320428
Superpower? Absolutely not. There's only one nation that meets the definition of superpower.
Global power though? Most definitely. One of only a tiny handful of nations that can project power anywhere in the world at notable strength and then support it. Russia recently proved that it can't do it, China is miles from doing it, India is pffthahahaha.
Super Power:
USA
Global Powers:
UK and France (We debate endlessly because thats what Bongs and Frogs DO, but in a very broad sense there's not a huge difference between them.)
Below that you have regional powers, topped by Russia.
>>29320428
>superpower
Do you even understand the meaning of the words you are posting?
>>29320549
>You really don't know much about that war then.
Let's see...they threw everything they had at them and still lost ships, not to mention the US wasn't convinced that they were even capable of winning.
>>29320549
> What.
Dont play dumb, piers.
>>29320628
>Let's see...they threw everything they had at them
You seriously think that was "everything"?
Again, you haven't a fucking clue about what actually went out there if you think that was everything. Pretty much the entirety of the RAF and British Army weren't involved at all. The vast majority of their air and ground power stayed at home, along with a good chunk of the Royal Navy that was still tasked to the North Atlantic.
It wasn't even close to "everything" they had. It was a naval task force that could be spared from the greater threats. A big one, taking the majority of the Royal Navy's deployment strength, and they went out there and completely curb stomped the Argentinian fleet and assaulted islands right beside their coast.
>>29320628
If they were throwing everything they had at Argentina, then Buenos Aires would be a smouldering crater. They'd have had Phantoms, Buccaneers and Lightnings coming across South America to strike at Argentina, ground invasions beginning from Chile with Chieftains and Warriors, vastly more surface ships and submarines, more Vulcan raids, hundreds more special forces inserting onto the island.
The UK didn't even come close to throwing everything they had. They dispatched a task force that completely raped the Argentinian fleet so rapidly that they fled to port and never came out again, decisively won the air battle with ground attack aircraft only, landed under fierce opposition from an opponent who was right in their home turf during a time when ship defences against that sort of attack were basically non-existent and then once on the ground fought such a way that there wasn't ever a hope of Argentinian victory.
The very reason they didn't lose enough ships to be "fought off" was because their air defences forced an opponent who SHOULD have by all rights done more damage to go low and slow, thus damaging accuracy and meaning fuses didn't work right. It was no accident. If you assault a place right off a country's coast who has modern ASMs in an era when there was no real counter to them after launch other than to hope then you are going to take some losses.
They went in expecting it. They took it, and then they won. Job done, with every single front of the war a complete and total victory. Ground combat wasn't even a competition. Naval combat wasn't even a competition. Air combat was in an A2A sense not even a competition, with the ONLY element that was fought over was preventing air anti-ship duties enough until the landing force was in. If your definition of war is "any losses means it was shit" then you've been fiercely pampered by modern day curbstomps to remember what happens when the shit really hits the fan against another conventional force.
>>29320428
>itt, bongs getting triggered about their third rate military
Superpower means you have the dominant position in global politics
Currently the only superpower is the USA
>>29320428
Any nation that can drop nukes on any part of the world is a super power.
>>29320428
Isn't Britain the second strongest in NATO or has France surpassed them recently?
>>29320720
> half of usa candidates in presidency and congress are socialistic anglo spies
> all megapolis mayors are their agents or useful idiots
> we are the only superpowah
You are delusional.
>>29320713
Not even a bong, just don't appreciate bullshit.
>>29320732
All that and still a superpower.
Must make whatever shithole you're from twice as embarrassing to live in eh?
>>29320729
Hard to say really and depends on what we're measuring.
France having a carrier, but the UK having superior logistical lift.
>>29320742
> Must make whatever shithole you're from twice as embarrassing to live in eh?
Why should i, if delusionals arent? We are superpower just as you will be tomorrow. Nukes and shit. And anglo govt. decides what we do with it.
>>29320755
a handful of 40 year old ICBMs with nuclear warheads doesn't make you a superpower
>>29320549
>Russia recently proved that it can't do it
Syria disagrees with you. Check Middle Eastern Wars/Syria General if you want more details.
>>29320729
France has a carrier at the moment, but it's disappearing until 2018 to be refuelled soon and just this week ended operations of its Super Etendards for good.
On a veeery broad sense they're about equal, but the UK has a lot of precision technologies and intelligence assets in excess. Stuff like Brimstone, Sentinel, armed Reapers, GCHQ, Shadow, Rivet Joints, much more MLRS, Exactor (Spike-NLOS), Tomahawks, Astutes, BVR capabilities and AESA radars on the majority of their surface fleet now. On top of that, the UK's logistics as clearly dominant and they have experience with massive deployments very recently. It shows in that while they have less combat aircraft deployed against ISIS, they've managed to do far more strikes owing to their intelligence gathering and quick response/long loiter times.
The big thing is, the UK and France aren't meant to be the same. France has a vastly greater focus on intervention warfare, and they do it EXTREMELY well. Their light brigades are exceptionally well equipped (better than the UK's which tend to be a bit more cumbersome to deploy with heavy kit) and they are every bit as well trained with more experience than people given them credit for. They have a very nice aggressive mindset to carrying out ops.
It can be debated for days, as said above, thats just what Bongs and Frogs DO cos they've been doing it for thousands of years. Why stop now? It's basically a national sport.
>>29320775
>Deploy to Syria
>RUSSA STRONK RUSSIA STRONK
>Can barely hit anything due to shitty PGM abilit
>Declare every target hit with 100% accuracy
>Oh shit, Ivan, we is cannot into logistics, running out is now
>Retreat from country after only a brief time long before the fight is done
>Claim complete success
Russia hasn't done shit compared the US. It was nothing but a big thing for RT to speal about internally.
>>29320764
A 60+ handfuls of modern ICBMs, half of which is strategical and some are tsar-bombs on kamikadze-submarines.
The best intelligence in the world.
They can block US military bases.
US cant block them in atlantic.
Let me illustrate:
They need to fight the us-made ISIS - they call Russia.
You need to fight the uk-made al-quaeda - you go die by yourself.
>>29320650
>Pretty much the entirety of the RAF and British Army weren't involved at all
Those guys who can't operate on this side of the globe, you mean? What about them?
>>29320798
>A country concentrating on one ocean can go toe to toe with ONE US carrier fleet
>>29320810
> muh fleet
Blocked by spies in congress, cancelled by bernie. What do?
hint: do it while you still can
>>29320515
>They also have (mostly soviet-made, but whatever) nukes more than china has it.
I am confused, do you really think the UK is using Soviet nukes?
>>29320796
If Oppenheimer doesn't play down Russia's strength nor the academic military science books I read. I won't either.
In order for MAD or NUTS to work, you have to respect the capabilities your opposition has.
>>29320805
Chile was willing to allow deployments in from their side, but it was deemed unnecessary. It wasn't a full Army deployment, a full RAF deployment or even a full Royal Navy deployment.
It wasn't even close to the full extent they coulda done, and thats even before pulling the "pull out or we will glass your country" line.
>>29320798
What the fuck are you babbling about?
>>29320471
What is Persian Gulf War
>>29320828 → >>29320633
>>29320471
Americans actually get thier buttblasted every war
>>29320836
>What the fuck are you babbling about?
As usual anglo plays dumb. Perfect strategy.
>>29320840
Proofs?
>>29320843
Oh, fuck off with your stupid baiting. You horrible lot always ruin these threads, this isn't /int/ or /pol/.
t. bong
>>29320471
>It took the entire might of a decrepit colonial shithole to stop a South American country from taking over an island
>it was their only accomplishment of note in the past 80 years
>Meanwhile "big ebil amerifats" managed to destroy the 4th largest armed forces in the world in a matter of months
>as well as successfully liberate Panama with few casualties
Why do Britcucks even bother?
>>29320839
>>29320839
Oh yeah a lot of countries against one , yeah that even against arabs americans need help
>>29320471
>>29320843
Wait, limeys are allowed on /k/?
Shouldn't the police be raiding your homes for looking at weapons on the internet?
>>29320849
http://www.ieras.ru/pub/monografii/britash.pdf
>>29320836
So forces that wouldn't have been in place for months, got it.
>>29320849
>butthurt about facts
K buddy
>>29320856
Yeah, sometimes they like to let their ankle-biters tag along so they can pretend they helped. America did virtually all the work in the Gulf War, Britcuck
>>29320865
Utterly meaningless citation if I can't read it.
>>29320720
Try triggering russia or china, mr superpowa.
Kek
>>29320856
>Daily reminder Brits were so butthurt about nearly losing to a South American shithole like Argentina they were fully willing to use nukes against them if they were defeated
>>29320881
>Try triggering russia or china
America triggers chinks and slavs constantly
>>29320891
>daily reminder that is it (correctly) part of US policy that a nuclear strike is justified for literally anything
Your point?
>>29320874
>All work
>begging for help to attack a small powerless country
>being this delusional
>anal blasted
Ok my american cunt
>>29320881
>Implying we're not always getting them mad as fuck
>>29320902
>Muh special forces mission
>>29320895
>>29320895
>ask europe to impose sanctions
>ask sk to play military games
>never do a shit alone
Yeah superpowah try doing something yourself
>>29320856
>Of the 956k troops present, 700k were American
>The other 256k were peacekeepers sent from countries around the area
>>29320902
>America does all the work
>Destroys Saddam's army on its own
>Britcuck trash show up and decide to stand around a bit and steal credit
Boy that sounds about right.
Stay mad at your eternal irrelevancy and inadequacy, my Britcuck friend
>>29320905
>superiority
>confuses retarded arrogancy vs facts
K fatty
>>29320916
>Request wargames to help SK train in case NK invades
>Implying telling cuckold Eurotrash to sanction Russia has anything to do with the military
This is rich. I'm surprised you're not in jail right now for illegally browsing a weapons board on an expired computer license
>>29320843
No, actually you should bait with: " the us forces are always send with all their firepower against a non conventional force like the vietcong and with rather bad strategies like a body count System. The usa and her military doctrine is centered around fighting a conventional war against another army, but not against a guerilla force that avoids direct fighting. The usa has the potential to win any 1v1 fight against any other nation on this earth, but like in most cases, Bad planning can ruin anything. The us could have glassed the whole levante with all their military might aswell as if they could have glassed vietnam, but they just lack the skill to control any territority they occupy.
>>29320796
>Russia hasn't done shit
>Actually bomb targets and modernized Syrian Military
>Gave them enough time for regime to last for "peace" talks and self sufficiency
>Finished their objectives as stated
>Showed their allies and potential allies that they can and will respond if help is needed
>Tested their equipment and army in the battlefield
>Showed the world their still a capable and relevant fighting force
I ain't no vatnik or slavboo, but if you were in the Syria general, you'd most likely know that Russia has succeeded in Syria
>>29320920
>all work
>whole army commiting suicides because are pussies and due gulf syndrome
>muh super army
>muh superpowah
Kek ok
Daily reminder to report jingoistic shitposting for a better /k/
>>29320935
>potential to win 1vs1
>Pussy
>halp halp europe make a coallition halp mah
>muh NATO halp i can win 1vs1 but actually i cant
>muh supapowah
>>29320923
>his """"""""""""""""""facts"""""""""""""""""""" are autistic conjecture conjured up because he feels hurt that someone dared to mention his failure of a country in anything other than the most positive light
Britcucks truly are eternally butthurt
>>29320940
>Brits nearly failed to Argentina from taking a tiny useless island and had a collective bitch-fit when they almost lost some boats
>They still claim to be a military power worth respecting
>>29320958
>Hundreds of kilometers aways from any friendly base
>alone
>self trained army
>small forces
>won without any coallition
stay maddy my friend
>>29320954
>Literally destroyed the 4th largest army in the world on its own
>Random assorted Eurotrash join in to try and pretend they matter
Limey trash please exit /k/ and go to your home board /trash/, thanks in advance
>>29320428
No, its the military of a great power.
But if you would consider the UK and their military a "superpower" you also would have to do so with France, Russia, Germany and Japan
>>29320970
Yeah, you're right. The Argentinians put up a pretty impressive defense.
>>29320971
>4th army
> literally received coallition help because alone cant do a shit . Cit vietnam lost war kek
>Muh army did all
>muh supapowa
>>29320940
>Implying Britain will ever be capable of doing this.
>>29320975
Their whole supplies were made in USA missiles etc . All failed not surprised actually
>>29320976
>Lost vietnam
Sounds like you haven't heard of Yuri Bezmenov
>>29320428
No.
>>29320991
>delusional
>the soviets tricked me i am a poor victim we always do the samd but they are bad the made us lose the war
>muh supapowah
>>29320976
>tfw limey cuck is so buttflustered about his failure of a country his posts are becoming more and more nonsensical and meme-filled
>to the point where he's literally unable to form full-thoughts because he's simply lashing out from the truth being revealed to him
Sorry Nigel but America was able to defeat Saddam's army on their own. They did so on their own. All the "coalition" did was minor peacekeeping operations and a spec ops raid.
Sorry, I know it hurts to have the nature of your countries relationship with the US revealed to you like this but it's simply the truth.
>This one butthurt Brit mad that he's irrelevant
>>29320990
The British? Yeah it's not surprising they almost failed
>>29321006
>m-m-m-m-m-m-muh supa powuh
>fuck off yanks we a supa powuh
>>29321010
It's pretty funny, this thread started with an innocent question and one autistic British kid took it personally. No idea why he's on /k/ though, to be honest.
>>29321010
What the fuck is happening in this gif
>>29321009
> his posts are becoming more and more nonsensical and meme-filled
> All the "coalition" did was minor peacekeeping operations and a spec ops raid.
Literally begging for help at UN
>deniying facts and calling nonsensical
Ok americunt call them as you wish , that wont change any fact of your powerless country.
All moderns wars you beg for coallition there is no war you have won without beg for halp , not surprised actually
>>29321028
Why don't you cry more and call NATO. Maybe they can back you up.
>>29321020
And a bunch of ameritards got analhurt
Yeah that is what happened read the thread neckbeard
>>29321037
We dont need them to invade Irak :)
>MUH non existen soviet union menace
>please dont go i am a supapowah
>>29321020
Not him, but you can make flippent remarks all you want, the UK is still a UNSC member, so to call them irrelevant is pretty big stretch.
>>29320755
>We are superpower
INDIAN SPOTTED
>>29321028
>his posts are still degrading in quality, to the point where his English is almost indecipherable
>His moon-shaped face is burning red with rage, those fucking evil yanks dared to insult the Queen and the Empire!
Nigel, please, take a chill-pill and relax. You don't need to be so upset about this. The Americans never begged for coalition help, they were able to defeat Saddam's army with little outside help. You can keep crying and typing out "but they begged for help!" but it won't change anything. You're simply wrong, and no amount of crying will change that. You're not posting facts.
Please, go take a nap and cool off for a bit.
>>29321056
*flippant
>>29321038
Oh, so it's an American that keeps crying about the Gulf War and about those evil yanks?
Sorry snaggle-tooth, maybe if you weren't so autistic you wouldn't take this all so seriously
>>29321060
Keep trying , keep lying to yourself but if you read any history book which i doubt it, you will see that literally you beg for help and american didnt defeat saddam by themself. For any modern war always beg for help. Try harder
>>29321079
They never "begged for help", you keep sticking to this flawed line of thinking because it's the only straw you can grasp at. Calm down and try again.
>>29321073
I didnt , the ameritards got analblasted and started replying with blood in their anuses.
>>29320471
Americans on suicide watch
>>29321088
name any modern war where didnt beg for help and won.
Try harder. Deny more
>>29321089
yes , you did
You've spent this entire thread crying about the Gulf War and repeating the same line over and over again because limey trash are eternally buttblasted.
>>29321101
>name any modern war where didnt beg for help and won.
The Gulf War, for starters
Try harder. Cry more.
>>29321129
>gulf war
>helped by 50 countries coalition
Kek ok, cant ask too much to retards
>>29320920
That's not entirely true. There were Saudi divisions attacking the front defenses of the Iraqis. They even did an okay job. Not stellar, but good enough.
It was a massive operation and massively successive as well. The US stockpiled 3 months of rations in logistic hubs all across the border. That in of itself was a massive undertaking. America definitely gets to take the majority of credit for majority of work, but it was important to have other nationalities take part.
It also showed that coalitions in modern warfare are super fucking complicated.
>>29320902
I know this is b8, but the Iraqi military was massive. We knew the quality of troops on the front lines was quite low, but the Republican Guard was expected to fight fiercely. They kinda did, but their equipment a shit and got BTFO.
First Gulf War was a massive success for the US.
>>29321141
>700,000 Americans did 99% of the fighting
>100,000 Saudis did a few minor operations and looting
>100,000 Eurotrash did absolutely fuck all
It's honestly pathetic at this point that you're still trying. I'm glad your English has improved a bit though.
>>29321152
>trying this hard to deny facts.
This is why we need Trump.
To finally WIN a war.
>>29321152
>99%
>muh army did all
Even if that was truth the why beg for help to 50 countried, yeah intelligence is not part of your modern culture
Keep lying to yourself .
Trying to teach english to me .
>muh defense not defence
>>29321173
>we
Nice try, Britcuck.
Sorry we won the Gulf War.
>>29321177
>Implying America "begged" for help
>Implying they didn't do 99% of the work
>getting butthurt over a minor spelling difference when every one of your posts have been a disaster
>>29321195
If you were not an austistic retard you will note that i am not implying . Sorry muh 99%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKi3NwLFkX4
Highly recommend people interested in Desert Storm/Shield to watch this video by good ol Stormin' Norman. He goes into detail of the operations of Desert Storm and why we did what and why it worked.
I'm not usually one to watch military press conferences but this is interesting as fuck. Norm should have been president.
>>29321177
>Even if that was truth the why beg for help to 50 countried
To give global legitimacy to the operation so the US didn't take the entire blame if the operation went wrong or had complications. The US forms coalitions for political reasons, not military strength.
>>29321233
No, that is why UN exists.
>>29321241
But... the UNSC did condemn the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. What is your point?
You asked a question as to why the US formed a coalition and I gave you a reason.
Try harder next time you're embarrassing yourself.
>>29320796
>>29320549
Holy fuck you're a blind idiot.
>>29320920
>>Of the 956k troops present, 700k were American
>>The other 256k were peacekeepers sent from countries around the area
assuming you are talking about the gulf war, britain had a armored division and supporting units and was one of the main armored units, the british deployed approximately 50k troops and 2.5k armored vehicles and were deployed in front line combat.
sure they were technically peacekeepers, but mostly by making sure anybody who wanted to break the peace was dead.
>>29321152
seriously, ok the french didnt do that much, they got stuck with the job of flank guard out on the left and while they did it well enough there wasnt much opposition,
the 50'000 british on the other hand did do some fighting, destroying 300 odd iraqi tanks in one encounter, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Norfolk#British_participation, its worth noting that their role in the conflict was to be right up front with the americans
>>29321180
I assume you also think you won WW1 all by yourself? Oh, and WW2? Again Korea? And Vietnam?
Holy fucking kek this thread is full of butthurt americucks.
>>29320471
No engagement the US has been involved in in the past 70 years has resulted in any form of real 'loss' for the US
At most a Viet Kong or Iraqi can hope for status qou antebellum after the public forces Americans to leave but in the interim their forces and countries were demolished
All the while uk fags are getting arrested for owning silverware within a km of a precious mosque or getting the shit beat out of them by Sharia patrols
>>29323115
While 240lb cops are so afraid of a dog that they end up putting 6 rounds of 9mm or w/e into it
also being so trigger happy that they end up simply shooting a /white/ teenage driver who flipped his car on a road because of an oncoming truck.
fucking KEK your argument is invalid
>>29323115
>It's an "American talks shit about Sharia patrols that don't actually exist" episode
>It's an "American tries to claim that Vietnam was an actual victory" episode
