>"Chamber control, not trigger control!"
Is he right /k/?
What's the equivalent of this for slingshots?
Sling control?
>>29312916
>deagle muh deagle brand deagle weagle
>fat fuck
>baldy
Just about right
>>29312916
>I'm too cool and edgy for trigger discipline
>I don't wear seatbelts when I drive either, just because I was told to wear one
>>29312916
Who? What? Explain what the fuck you're asking.
>>29312916
The only rule should be "Don't be a retard"
>>29312916
>Retard control
>>29312968
JoergSprave claims that its totaly ok to finger around on the trigger of funs all the time as long you are sure that they are unloaded
I will take the minority opinion here and say yes. I live with roommates, so I have to keep my bedside pistol in a condition where it isn't going to kill anyone if they pick it up and shoot someone or themself. I keep the chamber loaded with a blank round, and the magazine full of hollowpoints. As long as you have time to rack the slide just once, you should be fine. DESU, the odds of you getting broken into at night while you are home are slim. The odds of you needing a pistol to confront the guy as opposed to them just taking off when they think someone is home are slimmer. The odds of you needing a gun to confront an armed attacker and somehow not having time to rack the slide are astronomical.
And I recognize that I will be torn to shreds for this.
>>29312996
Thats true though.
Hence why snap caps exist and its how you practice trigger control for like handguns.
Yep, as long you dont aim at anything you dont want to shoot and ensured the gun isn't loaded you can dryfire the hell out of a gun
>>29313001
Eh, I follow. I don't really see anything wrong with it. The tactical crowd will hate you though.
>>29313001
>you cant kill yourself with a blank round
dude no, replace that with an empty cartridge or a snap cap or empty chamber. even if the blank isnt pointed at anyone you will have pointless hearing damage
>>29313131
>cartridge
I totally meant brass, whatever
>>29312916
Why not both?
>>29313131
>dude no, replace that with an empty cartridge or a snap cap or empty chamber. even if the blank isnt pointed at anyone you will have pointless hearing damage
Actually a blank round makes a lot of sense. Why? All he has to do if someone breaks in at night is grab his gun, level it... and fire twice. The blank (if it's powerful enough, and it probably is) will cycle the action, loading a fresh, live, lethal round into the chamber.
Pulling the trigger twice is a lot faster and easier, especially in a panic situation, than racking the slide. It's not a bad idea.
>>29313200
do not tell me you trust a blank round to cycle your action reliably in a self defense situation..
>he probably even dryfire his original henry rifu
>>29313236
If I can fire 100 rounds of blanks through the gun and have it reliably cycle, then sure. But that's the same test I apply to all ammo.
>>29312960
>Being a dude in 2016
>not naming your dick your deagle brand deagle weagle
>>29313200
no it doesnt. he stated he keeps a blank in the chamber to keep a nogunz from killing themselves if they happen to pick it up. a blank will certainly kill someone or ruin their fucking day >point blank
I see what youre saying, but no. fuck no
also, this >>29313236
Trigger control only matters with a loaded weapon you autists
>>29312916
I think so. I take more care of direction than my finger because my finger doesn't fire a bullet, the trigger/firing pin does. WhatI Can 100% control is where it's pointed in case it fires because an angle cried, shit happens.
>>29313357
Aren't you supposed to by default assume every weapon besides your damn toaster is loaded......? So........
>>29313380
No, If your weapon is clear it's clear. The bullet fair isn't just going to magically fly over your head and drop one in the chamber.
>>29313131
Blank rounds discharge a lot of unburned powder and will hurt someone, they shouldn't be fired at people
>>29313236
as long as you know your blanks cycle reliably, I can see it being a super-extra safeguard against some retard fingerfucking your gun and accidentally shooting someone.
And in a defense scenario, if you've got a dozen or more rounds in a handgun, if you just magdump into the nigger the first shot being a blank won't make a difference.
>>29313398
The magical fairy won't. Your dumbass friend who picks up the gun when you look the other way, however...
Remember, the two things everyone always says after an ND are 1. I thought it was unloaded and 2. I thought the safety was on.
Unless of course it doesn't have a safety. Then it's just 1.
>>29313421
I'm not friends with retards though
>>29313413
it will be when that first blank doesn't fully actuate the slide and then you're stuck there pulling the trigger over and over and over with a full mag at the waiting. 3 seconds later of fumbling around and your cultural friend is already inside you senpai
>>29313405
I have an ancestor killed by the wad of a blank on a ship. His son saw it happen too. Still supported the 2nd like a mad cunt though.
>>29313380
>>29313398
You should never believe a gun is unloaded unless it is secured, too many people have had nds with guns that were unloaded
If you don't pull the trigger the gun won't fire, if you don't aim the gun at the target the target won't get hit
>>29313131
You can seriously injure yourself with a blank round at point blank.
A pressure wave that's several thousand PSI combined with burning gun powder can cause damage at point blank. I was playing with shotgun primers in a .25 acp pistol and it would blow holes clean through cardboard boxes and soda cans at point blank. I would imagine an actual blank could do a lot more.
>>29313200
Just stop please.
>>29312916
>You will never have as much funs as Joerg
>>29313540
this dudes happy as fuck idk what /k/ thinks about him but hes really fucking fun to watch. allt that crazy shit he makes and he gets so much joy out of it.
>>29313515
>>29313405
maybe i wasnt clear, i was telling >>29313001
to NOT keep a blank round chambered expecting it won't kill/injure someone. replace it with epmty brass or a snap cap.
>>29313568
desu its like Hicock45 except narrated by Gunther Hermann
>>29312916
firearms safety rules are redundant, so both. Also, who is this robin williams lookin' ass gabe newell bitch?
>>29313568
deagle brand deagles are fun, even if his point is a little wrong. However, this is day/k/are. Autism comes with the territory.
>>29313782
Joerg Sprave, he has the biggest YT channel when it comes to crossbows, Slingshots and such, most of the weapons he shows are selfmade
>>29313014
>why snap caps exist
They exist to part idiots and their money. The only use they have is to be loaded among live rounds at the range in order to highlight flinch and to practice FTF drills.
There is nothing wrong with dry-firing a modern centerfire pistol with an empty chamber.
>>29312916
>>29312996
>>29313014
No you dumfucks. You are wrong and Jörg Sprave, cool as he is, is also wrong. He's from a gun culture where security rules are lax, accidents don't make national media and even so much as mentioning that a gun might be fired in anger (and thus has to have a proper respect and safe handling at all times attached to it) will get you ostracized. The rules of firearm safety make sense for a thousand reasons that you would know if you thought about it just for a little while, so stop being all edgy while promoting unsafe practices.
>>29313001
Here. Good point, I will replace the blank with an aluminum snap-cap. I will continue to keep Hornady Critical Defense hollow points in the magazine though.
>>29314094
the 22 snaps are useful as fuck
>>29312916
loaded or not, You should treat every firearm as if it were. This meaning keep your booger picker off the trigger and don't point it at anyone.
>>29314121
>booger picker
Don't do this.
>>29314133
You don't?
>>29314104
There's a difference between "safe practice" and actual reality. If you don't trust yourself to have cleared the firearm correctly after a visual and/or physical check, then you have no business owning that firearm. An empty gun will not shoot anyone, no matter how hard you try.
There is a risk in developing complacency about gun safety, certainly. But so long as clearing the gun is done instinctively every time you pick it up, there will be zero chance for a negligent discharge, no matter what >muh rules fags scream.
>>29314094
Pretty sure that would count as fte not ftf
>>29312916
Literally no reason not to use both.
>>29314182
FTF as in failure to fire, not failure to feed.
>>29313372
The idea that the gun can fire on its own is retarded and causes people to think they are dangerous.
>>29314174
>attempting to rationalize unsafe practices and disobeying one of the golden rules of firearms safety
They literally teach kids this shit. Fucking idiots. Keep your finger off the fucking trigger until your ready to fire or are dryfiring.
An extra layer of safety. They teach you this shit in basic training. Literal niggers who have never shot in their lives and join the .mil have more gun sense/knowledge then you all.
If I saw you at a range with your finger on and off the trigger when you weren't firing you would get the fuck thrown off.
>>29312916
Mr. 500lbs, anti zombie slingshot guy.
>>29313380
The point of that rule is that accidents happen due to assumptions and carelessness. Its to prevent things like "but i thought it was empty" from happening
If you keep to these rules you won't have an issue.
If you don't, well you get what is coming.
>>29314174
Its not that I don't trust myself, its that I don't trust you
You are saying there is risk in developing complacency then you advocate it. Vigilance is the only guard against accidents
Y'all niggas need the Gospel of Cooper in ya lifes.
THE FOUR RULES OF GUNHANDLING
>RULE 1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
"The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking. As soon as he puts it down, Rule 1 applies again."
>RULE 2: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY
"You may not wish to destroy it, but you must be clear in your mind that you are quite ready to if you let that muzzle cover the target. To allow a firearm to point at another human being is a deadly threat, and should always be treated as such."
>RULE 3: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER TIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
"This we call the Golden Rule because its violation is responsible for about 80 percent of the firearms disasters we read about."
>RULE 4: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
"You never shoot at anything until you have positively identified it. You never fire at a shadow, or a sound, or a suspected presence. You shoot only when you know absolutely what you are shooting at and what is beyond it."
--From "Jeff Cooper's Commentaries", Vol. 6, No. 2
>>29313131
>>29313200
>>29313236
>>29313327
>>29313413
>blanks
>cycling in any gas opereted gun without an adapter
>cycling in a non-dedicated live handgun
Guess how I know you know absolutely nothing about guns and have never shot a blank in your life?
>>29314174
It's not about the specific situation but the habits it will train. For a serious firearm user (not a collector and target shooter like Jörg) there are situations where you MUST NOT put the finger on the trigger for no reason. Where you can't clear the chamber, because it needs to be loaded. That's why you train yourself not to put the finger on the trigger in any situation, so you won't do it wrong when your stressed and frightened and it really matters that you don't fuck up. Real world firearms users learned this lesson with their own blood.
>>29314121
I visually inspect the chamber, breach, after removing the magazine. I then treat my gun as though it's a metal stick with holes in it. If this bothers you, then you have a filthy gun that needs cleaned.
>>29312916
No. Never trust a fat.
I didn't read the whole thread, so I might be just repeating what others have written. But here's my take:
>ALWAYS have proper trigger discipline and muzzle awareness, except when you have made concious decision to fire (or dryfire)and your sights are on target
There are two reasons for this. First, you build a good habit by practicing proper TD even when you know it's unloaded, so maybe that one time when you're tired and don't remember that you loaded the weapon last night when you heard a crash, that muscle memory might just be what keeps you from NDing into your foot. Second, even if you know the weapon is unloaded, others might not; either you teach them bad habits if they're inexperienced, or they start shouting at you if they aren't. You could avoid that whole situation by practicing proper TD, so why not do it? And before you go 'b-b-but it's completely different if there are other people around!', remember, that you do as you train. If it happens at home, it will happen at the range.
Oh and if I do dry-fire practice, I go so far as to double-check the gun before dropping the hammer/striker.
>>29312916
>taking safety tips from the man that knocked himself out with a slingshot one time
>>29314218
>>29314263
I'm not talking about doing it when others are around. That is courtesy, because they don't know the status of your firearm.
However, blind and autistic adherence to the four rules means that you can never dry fire at home for fear of your gun being always loaded.
>>29313515
Yup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
>>29313200
>>29313236
>worrying about the round cycling your action
That's why semi auto pistols are toys.
>>29312916
That guy's the fucking best. I don't give a fuck about his opinions on guns, I like his slingshots and the crazy clever engineering behind them.
I'm a little disappointed in his taste in knives though. He likes some really impractical ones.
>>29314610
Go load a blank in your rifle as it is and tell me how it cycles, you chucklefuck.
>>29314610
>not knowing how physics works
>>29314294
Anon, show them this. Make them see
>>29314687
>>29314719
I mean use a revolver, dipshit.
>>29314094
Does this apply to hammer fired guns too?
>>29314746
>use objectively inferior technology
Ok there, Elmer.
>>29314757
Yes. Unless you're dry firing a CZ-52 or some other gun with a firing pin made of glass, there won't be any damage if you dry fire on an empty chamber.
>>29314757
Yes!
MODERN firearms have no issue dryfiring.
Snapcaps are for simulating failures or other drills
>>29312916
Nah he's wrong. There are no conceivable downside to trigger discipline even when you know it's unloaded. It's all about consistency and muscle memory, if you handle an unloaded pistol "safely" then you're more likely to handle a loaded pistol safely.
>>29314775
>>29314780
Thanks.
>>29314195
O thanks for teaching me
Does ftf normally mean failure to fire or failure to feed? Or does it depend more on context
>>29314856
Context, mostly.
>>29312916
That sounds like someone someone who only owns one gun and never touches it says to people who owns 0 guns
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
>>29314775
>inferior
It literally can't fuck up. If a round doesn't fire, just keep pulling the trigger. It's much more resilient to dropping and physical damage. Also, it can fire magnum rounds.
Revolver: 3 Semi Auto: 0
>>29314294
Until UTMs are sold to civilians thats about right
>>29312916
Goddammit.
As a fat fuck Deagle owner, this pissed me off. I'd say 90% of all NDs are with guns that "aren't loaded".
The four rules exist for a reason. Claiming some special exemption makes you a special kind of retarded. Even if you keep a gun in condition 3, like fucktard in the OP, you will eventually forget that you chambered a round and have a negligent discharge while screwing around.
>>29312916
I wonder how shitty the german gun test is, i cant belive Joerg passed it with his...lax interpretation of gun safety
>>29313236
That's a big dog
>>29315873
Yes, yes it is.
>>29315873
Y
FOR
U
>>29314856
I sometimes say ftb-failure to bang. But that can also be confused with how most of my dates end.
>>29312916
>Control the chamber
>Control the trigger
>Control the muzzle
>CONTROL EVERY GODDAMN ASPECT OF YOUR WEAPON!
>>29314121
I want to load her chamber with my magnum if you know what I mean
shiny swimsuits are amazing
>>29314218
What if you cant have your finger off the trigger due to the pump hitting it?
So let's say I drop the 'no fingy on triggy' rule and just 'control mt chamber' from now on. I put my finger on the trigger whenever I want, because most of the time I keep it empty. Except when it's loaded. Oops I really wish I had critical thinking
>>29315221
except revolvers can have fucked up timing you retarded nigger, which isn't a problem in semi autos
>>29319860
It's less likely than failures to feed or eject are in a an automatic. So no, it isn't PERFECT, but nothing is. It's merely better in that regard than an automatic.
>>29319943
>eject
*Extract
This is why you don't shitpost at 6 in the morning.
>>29314301
>For a serious firearm user (not a collector and target shooter like Jörg)
Breathtaking autism in that post. Thank you, anon. Thank you.
>>29320016
Eh not him but I have to defend the lack of autism in his post.
>>29320045
The phrase "serious firearm user" is beyond moronic.
Is anon an assassin or something? Conducting gorilla warfare?
If a firearm can kill someone, then it's a serious firearm and the user must be a serious firearm user.
I'm as much of a proponent of the four rules as anyone, but anon didn't do a very good job of explaining why Jorg is wrong so much as he demonstrated he can't tell the difference between xbox and reality.
>>>29314301
>Real world firearms users learned this lesson with their own blood.
It's a battlezone out there, man.
>>29320080
I very much explained what it means and what's the difference: drawing and firing a gun in self defense, under stress, or relaxed in a range. You're the autist getting hanged up on words.
>Real world firearms users learned this lesson with their own blood.
Like all the cops that made "glock leg" a thing.
You seem to have a problem with dramatic language friend, even when it's entirely justified.
>>29320193
Can you even legally defend yourself in eurocuck?
>>29320080
>gorilla warfare
I'd watch that.
>Americunts getting mad at the different safety rules of other societies and countries.
Shit dudes, I know that you guys have mentally retarded people with guns that shoot each other all the fucking time because of how retarded and dumb you guys are.
The thing is, trigger discipline is overrated since when you do the following things, it means that the gun is unloaded:
>remove magazine
>rack the slide several times to remove any ammo inside it
>let the slide/bolt open and check the chamber for any ammo
>look down the barrel for any obstruction
Congratulations, you gun is now 200% unloaded, it won't fucking matter if you have the finger or your dick on the trigger because it's unloaded.
Pretending that it's always unloaded is fucking retarded and typical of braindead motherfuckers that can't even point on a map where their own country is.
This is how shit works, it just takes normal human intelligent to figure these things, but you americunts are just fucked up morons that have to make up these rules because their population as low IQ.
>>29320239
When you've got a country full of retards and those retards are allowed to have guns, you need to train them like retards to keep from accidentally killing someone important.
>>29313200
>Use a blank to cycle your handgun
Or just keep a live round chambered and don't let people fingerfuck your guns
>>29320239
They think a round will appear outta fucking nowhere and chamber itself and go off.
My instructor said his father was a gunsmith and a friend handled a revolver to him after unloading it only by shacking the cilinder and not properly using the ejection rod. He endend up NDing himself in the left hand but he learned his lesson, don't trust anyone even if you see them unloading.
>>29320239
And many accidents happen every year because people pull the trigger on guns that are a 100,000,000% unloaded, if you don't pull the rigger the fgun won't fire
>it won't fire if its unloaded
Treat every firearm as though it were loaded, if you do accidents won't happen
>>29314432
That wasnt even real. He showed off some movie magic to hype for his zombie movie.
>>29313001
just get a fucking quick access pistol safe so you don't have to worry about someone getting at it, and you don't have to do any of that retarded blank shit.
