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If Argentina were to take back the Falklands this week, how would the UK go about getting them back? As far as I see it; I think that without any carriers/harriers the brits would be pretty fucked.
We'd just send the Duke of Edinburgh to Buenos Aires on a 'diplomatic mission' and as soon as he stepped of the aeroplane he'd set about telling them how they're all a bunch of wogs and owning countries is for white people. They'd immediately see his great wisdom and write a letter of apology to his wife, sending it along with some nice South American flowers.
Either that or the islanders would just welcome the Argentinians with their local cuisine and hospitality; they'd feed them boot polish and re-enact the burning scene from The Wicker Man. Argentina would immediately fuck this shit and, understandably, give up on the whole idea.
Unfortunately that "if" will never happen.
Argentina is weaker today militarily than it was 30 years ago. It has next to no powerful allies in the world (owes 'Murica shit tons of money and refuses to pay, shot and sunk a Chinese fishing boat etc) to recieve "humanitarian assistance" from, and is far too bankrupt to even consider buying or building new weapons.
Plus the British garrison on the island is much bigger now, with a full squadron of typhoons to fuck up any Argy shit that get close assuming it hasn't sunk by itself at that point.
Long story short, Argentina is effectively a non-country and the sabre-rattling is just to distract its population from domestic issues.
>>29310447
that image
>>29310623
There are a couple different surprise attack scenarios in which argentina could easily get the islands back. the british garrison there is a joke.
>>29310447
I have no love for the limeys but even dreaming that Argies could defeat the Brits is quite fantastic.
Argentinians should be thankful they don't have to face them again. The UK forces would annihilate any opposition before noon just so they could enjoy their tea.
American here
Why do the brits care so much about a couple of shitty islands 4000 miles away from their own shitty island?
>>29310715
>There are a couple different surprise attack scenarios in which argentina could easily get the islands back.
Not this shit again.
>>29310747
Its completely plausible, as is the emergency landing scenario. both would completely overwhelm the garrison forces there.
>>29310731
Because it was an attack on their territory, and all the population there are fully British at this point.
>>29310731
>Why do the brits care so much about a couple of shitty islands 4000 miles away from their own shitty island?
Originally it was because it was a good staging area for research in British Antartica and the people on those Islands were British citizens, you never abandon your own people. Recently though Oil was discovered very close to the Islands which got Argentina beating their nationalist drum again.
>>29310731
America had like 30 island like 10,000 miles away and they care
>>29310763
Are they actually British or are they "British" like how Argentina is "white"?
>>29310768
Ok, the oil thing makes more sense now
>>29310758
>as is the emergency landing scenario.
Yeah, there is nothing suspicious about landing a huge cargo plane there unannounced. Assuming a single planes worth of troops and equipment can overwhelm the 1400 troops there.
>>29310763
Had a referendum a few years ago 95% plus wanted to stay.
>>29310778
Actual British colonists.
>>29310715
Are you fucking retarded?
>>29310778
Their descendents of British settlers
>>29310783
What is suspicious about a cargo flight from south america to south africa? absolutely nothing. And you could easily pack 800 special forces troops in a cargo 747. out of the 1400 strong contingent the british have their, a tiny frachtion of those would be combat troops. and they would be woefully unprepared for that kind of surprise.
>>29310801
actually the opposite. my IQ is somewhere in the 155-170 range, so compared to me its probably you who is retarded.
>>29310731
I dunno m8
>>29310758
>Its completely plausible
>>29310811
>Argentina
>"special forces troops"
>m-muh IQ
>>29310811
Holy shit he's actually going to try to argue it
Slow day huh?
Listen, I get irked by people from the UK. I'm a U.S. airborne infantry veteran. They don't like us - we don't like them. However, I hold them to a certain standard. If they couldn't sweep Argentina off the map in a week's time, I'd lose hope for humanity.
Don't fuck with the Brits. Approach them as if they were the kindest people on the planet holding a jagged edged knife behind their backs.
>>29310826
Tell me how its not completely plausible.
>>29310832
thank you for your service, spc faggot
>>29310832
Did they give you your green card yet Hernandez?
>>29310811
>actually the opposite. my IQ is somewhere in the 155-170 range, so compared to me its probably you who is retarded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>29310837
Let me count the ways, huh.
The Typhoon's escorting it could destroy it, either in the air or on the ground.
The fact that nobody will be allowed to exit the aircraft when it's landed.
The fact that the runway is miles away from the base facilities.
The fact that the Argentinian government owns no 747's in any of their commercial airlines.
The fact that the Argentinian Agrupación de Fuerzas de Operaciones Especiales can't field 800 men.
In your best, best case scenario your aircraft is destroyed on the ground by the RAF flight with outnumbered Argentinian soldiers trying to overrun the base in the sixteen hours it takes the UK rapid reaction forces to arrive.
>>29310778
Like 60 percent of the settlers can trace their lineage back to Scots and Welsh who settled the island back in 1833. Another 30 are just straight up British.
>>29310447
Firstly the argies could never take the islands with the current garrison. But playing devil's advocate let's say they managed to use their Nigger voodoo to magic their entire military onto the island.
Within hours tomahawks would be striking targets identified by British and five eyes satellites and sigint.
Within the first 48 hours there would be special forces on the island to begin observation and sabotage.
In the first week the RAF would rebase tornado, typhoon and supporting aircraft to ascension island. From there they will be flying to standoff distance to launch storm shadow. The 6k mile round trip is very doable for the RAF (they fly 4+ aircraft that distance at least twice a year for red flag. Obviously unarmed but it will be made to work.
This could continue until the UK ran out of targets.
A joint UK French fleet would be dispatched to mount an invasion (since 2010 the UK and France have had an asset sharing defence pact to cover each nations shortfall after the 2008 crash).
The lack of air cover would really be a non issue as the argies have no airforce especially considering AEW Merlin can be deployed from all royal navy frigates and destroyers. CAS for the landings would be provided by hms ocean / invincible operating apache.
I'm getting bored of fantasising but I'm sure you get the idea.
>>29311057
>A joint UK French fleet would be dispatched to mount an invasion (since 2010 the UK and France have had an asset sharing defence pact to cover each nations shortfall after the 2008 crash).
Since when was that a real thing? I thought it was a proposal that died when the UK decided to build two supercarriers rather than one.
>>29310447
>If Argentina were to take back the Falklands this week
Completely fucking impossible. The ONLY way that Argentina could take the Falklands is if the UK were hit by an asteroid, and it even then it would be a stretch.
>>29311064
It was signed in 2010 and that's why British airlift was used to move French forces to mali. It's also why you regularly see type 45 escorting CDG and why French asw aircraft patrol around the Irish Sea.
>>29310447
>If Argentina were to take back the Falklands this week, how would the UK go about getting them back?
Does the UK get to use magic as well, since apparently it's so prevalent in this situation?
Because if it comes down to that I imagine the UK has more powerful wizards
>>29311107
But the UK does that with all allies.
I don't see anything saying the French would go to war with the UK, it all seems to be about joint development and joint training
>>29310447
>If Argentina were to take back the Falklands this week
Almost impossible.
That island is basically a fucking fortress now.
>Submarines around it
>Ships
>Anti-Air
>Jet fighters
>around 8000 Marines
They'd get scrubbed before they even started.
>>29311093
Actually, forget this:
Even if the UK were completely destroyed by an asteroid, the submarine force would still be active and that would be more than enough.
>>29311117
• jointly developing a Combined Joint Expeditionary Force (CJEF) as a non-standing bilateral capability able to carry out a range of operations in the future whether acting bilaterally or through NATO, the EU or other coalition arrangements - this concept will be developed over the coming years;
• building primarily on maritime task group co-operation around the French carrier Charles de Gaulle - the UK and France will aim to have, by the early 2020s, the ability to deploy a UK-French integrated carrier strike group incorporating assets owned by both countries;
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-france-defence-co-operation-treaty-announced--2
>>29310811
Meh, I'm bored and need something to do during a cuppa, I'll bite.
So basically, what you're saying is that in this day and age a plane can just randomly divert with no asking questions?
Once you've ripped all the seats out to transport these 'special forces' where are you going to put there gear? How are you going to keep them supplied?
How is them overwhelming the garrison (if it were even plausible) going to stop the British coming back and curbstomping them again?
Most importantly, the Argentinian military doesn't even have any 747'S, they'd have use a civilian one, which raises all sorts of questions about its use in a military aspect.
I really, really hope you're just trolling, since if you are, well done, if not, stop posting and seek medical attention.
>>29311117
One of the biggest problems with us using ramps on the carriers is that British and French carriers won't be able to launch each other's jets
>>29310878
I guarantee you he won't bother repyling.
>>29311216
The French carrier can launch British jets. It's all a deliberate ploy to stop our nice new carriers from smelling of garlic.
>>29311225
>>29310447
>If Argentina were to take back the Falklands in a week
>>29311216
>>29311231
I don't think it's a factor in the slightest considering they're completely different aircraft with completely different maintenance requirements
>>29310568
holy fuck this is perfect
it's the most British thing I've read on 4chan
>>29310778
>talk about oil
>oh NOW the american understands
>>29311370
As if you wouldn't bear interest. Guess what? We pay a dollar and 60 cents for one gallon of gasoline in the most expensive fuel city -
Detroit.
That equals less than half of what you're paying. I already figured it out.
>>29311392
Seeing as my Audi averages 49mpg (real world not the 75 quoted from the factory) and I drive like a dick, I'm not too fussy if your 20mpg two ton car costs less to fill up every 6 days. Also I hope you enjoy your shitty concrete roads.
>>29310927
Scots and Welsh are british, it's the name of the island. England is just the biggest part
>>29311652
Yes, and Scotland is England's biggest county.
>>29311225
What's that in the background? One of those deployable bridge rigs?
Is it floating, or tracked?
>>29310832
Thank you for your service :^)
>>29310715
>the british garrison there is a joke.
[citation needed]
>>29311734
Looks like a bridge on a barge
>>29310568
This image misunderstands that much of Britain is quite proud of our pirate heritage!
>>29311702
Alaska is DC's biggest state.
Retard.
So, continuing with the modified 747 full of 800 specops... the only places it could land are in Port Stanley, at the very eastern end of the fucking island (assuming they don't land in the british fucking base) so, now you have 800 dudes with no transport, support, comms and everything in bumfuck nowhere. what now?
>>29311216
F35B could easily operate from CdG. They operate from American helicopter carriers without ramps fine.
If the Argies took the islands, it means they shot down 4 Typhoons, sank a frigate and killed/captured a battalion of infantry.
Given those losses we'd probably be too shitter shattered to continue fighting. It would be a disastrous defeat.
>>29311587
>Get BTFO
>B-but all Americans drive hummers with shitty mpg and big pickup trucks, so I'm actually spending less!!!
>Concrete roads
Not sure where you got that idea my friend.
>>29310878
holy fuck you are delusional. Do you not realize there are international rules to follow for aircraft in distress? Let me tell you how something like this would go down.
>747 cargo flight from somewhere to argentina to capetown
>route takes it 20 nm from falklands
>at its closest point, aircraft declares and emergency and notifies mt pleasant that its coming in for a landing
>airport staff in falklands HAVE to allow it
>aircraft staff, not suspecting anything but a routine emergency landing send out firetrucks and a few police/garrison members
>the "emergency" was loss of main onboard power, so aircraft interior is completely blacked out
>once aircraft stops all of the emergency slides deploy at once
>over 800 argie special forces come out guns blazing
>garrison destroyed
>more cargo aircraft arrive bringing reinforcements
>game over
>>29310447
I read a novel on this premise once. Basically since the brits retired all their carrier capable planes to save money, their fleet has no air cover. The argies buy shitloads of french hardware which fucks up the landing force because their SAMs were facing the wrong way and a russian sub secretly sinks the british carrier, making it look like an air strike did it.
The novel then follows a stranded SAS team that has to get rescued by US Navy seals. The US navy seals also sink the argie fleet in harbour and destroy most of their air force on the ground. This forces the argies to sue for peace with the brits and share the oil in the falklands.
>>29311959
I'm btfo because amerifats can't understand why the Falklands are important until oil is mentioned?
Keep living the stereotype.
Is there even a point in taking over the Falklands?
Would Argentina be stupid enough to invade them?
>>29311959
>my car is more efficient
>so it uses less fuel
>so I'm spending less
Yeah...can't really see anything wrong with that. Enjoy your ludicrous speed limits.
>>29312000
I'm not the oil guy, I was just addressing that fags statements. I understand completely why Britain would protect the falklands, it's British clay.
>>29312014
>Still thinks all Americans drive giant fuel efficient cars
>Still hasn't explained concrete roads
>>29311210
>So basically, what you're saying is that in this day and age a plane can just randomly divert with no asking questions?
yes, there would be no time to react. you either tell the US registered (its a leased cargo plane) to land in the ocean, and create a diplomatic disaster because the flight plans say the plane is carrying endangered penguins etc. to a zoo in capetown.
The special forces would carry all the gear they would need on their back- they'd have the garrison finished off within an hour or two and reinforcements could immediately be on their way.
Once the argies fortify the island with 50,000 men the UK wouldn't be able to get it back because they have no harriers providing air support.
>>29312013
There is none, the OP in these threads is almost always an American or non British European.
>>29312029
>The special forces would carry all the gear they would need on their back- they'd have the garrison finished off within an hour or two and reinforcements could immediately be on their way.
Against forces that know the terrain much better, are entrenched and have plans for exactly this sort of thing?
>>29311847
>assuming they don't land in the british fucking base
thats exactly where they'd land though.
there is also a scenario involving a modified cargo tanker crashing into the beach and deploying 30,000 men along with tanks and vehicles as well, but the plane scenario would be easier to pull off for argentina.
>>29312028
Didn't mean to say fuel efficient.
>>29311852
F-35Bs require a special coating on the flight surface to keep the exhaust heat from damaging the ship, I doubt the french will go along with that.
>>29312043
>have plans for exactly this sort of thing?
i thought you said the scenario was ludicrous, so now you're admitting the brits are worried about it? interesting.
>>29311814
Latuff is a fucking retard so that's no surprise.
>>29312071
I'm not even that guy but you're a retard. Having a plan for a certain event does not equal being worried you gigantic faggot. I have a plan for SHTF but I don't worry that it's going to happen. Plus, what the fuck else are they there for?? Their entire existence on the island is basically to keep you filthy Argentinian fucks off of it.
>>29312071
I said they had planned for it not that they took it too seriously, it is almost as shit as the container ship.
>>29312098
You wouldn't make a plan for something if you didn't worry about it or think its plausible, that would make you an idiot.
>SHTF is never going to happen, but i better take money out of my kids college fund to purchase a shitload of MREs and ammo!
yeah, real logical.
>>29310768
They abandoned Rhodesia and South Africa.
>>29312102
History shows that the container ship scenario would work. You should never scoff at these things.
>>29312053
>deploying 30,000 men
The Argentinian Army is 38,000 men, thats a huge gamble putting 3/4 of your entire Army on one ship in an insane gamble knowing full well theres an Astute in the Area.
>>29312121
It was part of the globalist agenda to abandon the white territories in africa
No going against that was allowed.
>>29312118
Well they obviously thinks it's a plausibility retard, so they have a plan to stop it. The plan itself isn't implausible, the idea that it could succeed is you gigantic faggot. Also, my prepping literally consists of just having plenty of canned food and water on hand in case of a blizzard or something. I don't subscribe to the habbedungs
>>29312139
ok, so you admit im right now? nice to know.
>>29312028
>>Still thinks all Americans drive giant fuel efficient cars
>>Still hasn't explained concrete roads
http://www.cement.org/think-harder-concrete-/paving/concrete-pavement/highways
European cars are more fuel efficient, this is a fact so prevalent I'm not going to waste my time teaching you, use Google.
Have fun driving at 55mph.
I don't see why you're living in denial.
>>29312064
That's for the vertical landing, where the nozzle is pointed at one place for a long time.
CdG is both quite big and has arresting wires. F-35B can probably go for a conventional landing rather than vertical, and thus avoid the deck problem.
>>29312161
Sure. You're right. The British Government has deemed the possibility of Argentinian invasion credible enough to prepare for it. That doesn't mean that your plan is any serious threat.
>>29312162
Clearly says concrete is cheaper and better
so whats the issue?
>>29312028
I'm not the concrete raods guy.
I just recognise that you have ridiculous speed limits and generally shit cars (honestly, aside from the odd muscle car or some trucks you guys stopped making good normal cars decades ago).
There's not even any excuse since you seem perfectly capable of making decent fords over here in Europe.
Althought the shit ones are creeping in, saw one of the new Jeeps and had to hold back a gag reflex.
>>29312162
huh? our interstate speeds are 80. I've been all around europe, our roads are much nicer than yours for the most part.
>>29310447
This thread is comical. Challenge the Brits, get chewed to bits.
Typical /k/, someone makes a shitty bait thread and it ends up being about roads and cars.
>>29312029
>on their back
Do you realise how tightly packed they'd have to be to fit 800 of them into a 747? They'd have nothing but light weapons, only enough ammo for a bit, no long term supplies, nothing.
>using a leased US cargo plane to start a military invasion without permission
>good idea
m'kay
>endangered penguins would cause a diplomatic disaster
>implying it wouldn't be easy as fuck to check whether they're lying in less than an hour
>implying 800 argeninians who've got leg cramps due to standing up for hours are going to overwhelm a numerically superior, dug in force who know damn well help is only 16 hours away
>by the way the Brits have air support on the island
>implying the Argentinians could get 50,000 men there before the British retaliate
>implying the 50,000 Argentians (even if they could be gotten their) wouldn't surrender once the islands are entirely cut off by the RN and RAF
>impyling you're not a fucking sperg
>>29312257
Shitty denizen = you making something out of nothing.
Fuck off.
>>29311109
>Does the UK get to use magic as well, since apparently it's so prevalent in this situation?
>Because if it comes down to that I imagine the UK has more powerful wizards
This does seem to be true for some reason, England does seem to have all the best Wizards.
>>29312029
Oh and I forgot to mention
>50,000 men
so they're going to deply their entire standing army plus most of their reservists? Sounds fucking stupid, just like you.
>>29312260
>entirely cutoff
By what? Are we forgetting the brits have no carrier air support?
>>29312126
>history shows
Please, do elaborate.
>>29312260
You can fit 660 people in a 747-400, which isn't even the largest version. that is with seats, galleys, bathrooms etc. you could easily remove all that and have it be standing room only and probably fit 1100 people in there. with weapons and backpacks 800 is more than reasonable. in fact, i am probably understating by a large amount.
>>29310447
>Argentina taking the Falklands in the first place
Port Stanley has more firepower than the entire Argentinian armed forces
>>29312232
Yeah, most US speed limits (at least as far as the maximum speed is concerned) are better than the UK's at least.
Then again, the maximum speed limit in the UK is 70, but it might as well be 80 since eveyone does it and the police don't really bother unless you're doing 90+ (on the motorway obviously.
Feel sorry for the poor bastards who can only do 65 in the US though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction
>>29312260
So the RN would completely cut off the islands for supply? So they RN would allow the falkland island civilians to starve to death? i don't think so my friend. you are forgetting what a great bargaining chip those civvies would be to the argies.
>>29312279
Are we pretending the United States won't chew it's own arm off in order to protect Great Britain?
>>29312279
well if you did the initial attack by lying the US government and using one of their planes (747) to do it, you can bet your ass the US is going to get involved.
The RN can pretty easily cut off the Falklands with just their surface and submarine assets. Argentina has nothing flying that can make it past a guided missile destroyer.
>>29312118
Countries makes preparations and plans for every possible scenario regardless of how likely it is or not.
Recently some documents were declassified regarding a Zombie Preparedness Initiative which was launched by the CDC a few years ago http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm
and here's some of the documents http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/counter-zombie-dominance-conplan-8888/
It's an utterly absurd scenario yet there's people who prepare for it and I think it's a bit more likely that Argentina will make a successful attack on Falklands than a zombie apocalypse breaking out.
>>29312279
>how can you cut off this ISLAND without carrier support??
Are we forgetting that the Argentinian Navy is shit.
>>29312071
Yep, you're somewhere on the autism spectrum.
I cracked the code, guys, nigga's just a sperg.
>>29312285
City of trojan about 4000 years ago. another country built a massive toy horse out of wood and stuffed it full of special operators. the trojans brought it into the walls of their city thinking it would be a cool statue. when the trojans went to sleep the operators emerged from the horse and took over the place.
there are countless other examples of surprise attacks using unconventional means.
>>29312326
OK, you caught my first mistake. You're right, it would be a mistake to use an American plane. They could just as easily lease ones from the canadians though, and they wouldn't do shit with trudeau.
>>29312301
So you're going to steal a 747, rip out all of the seats so no one can sit down (fatigue+inevitable injuries due to turbulance/take-off/landing) and fly it for hours, again whilst everyone is just standing up and expect them to do anything meaningful at the end of it? With just their personal weapons? Against an adversary with combat capable aircraft?
Pull the other one, its got bells on.
>>29312324
The US wouldn't go as far as to "Chew off it's own arm", but it would help in whatever way possible that doesn't involve actually killing Argentinians directly.
AWACS, logistics, satellite surveillance, and airborne refueling are all within reason. Americans putting a CBG in the area and declaring a "no-argies zone" is not.
>>29312365
When you read about some of the stuff guys endured during world war 1 and 2, that would be nothing? leg cramps? standing for 4 hours? oh the humanity!
>>29312318
So are you seriously suggesting that if the Argentinians landed troops, the RN cut it off and then the Argentinians refused the British access to their own citizens for food, that that would go down at all well on the international stage?
The second the Argentinians started using civilian hostages, they're fucked.
Oh and you do realise that a) the Falkland islanders have plenty of food stocks, they won't run out immediately and b) the Argentinans would surrender not necassarily due to lack of food but due to a lack of any, and I mean ANY, chance of re-inforcements or support?
The guy arguing about being able to land a 747 full of troops is really, really, reeeeeally fucking stupid.
>>29312357
>using any other countries aircraft in illegal military invasions
>totally legit and something they'd do
Are you high?
>>29312260
>implying the 50,000 Argentians (
Heres the shitter, the Argentinian Army only has 50k men if they deploy every man they have and thats including the reserves leaving nobody to garrison Argentina itself.
>>29312388
Yet I'm winning every single argument when people try to challenge the scenario. Funny how that works, innit?
>>29312345
>history shows
>Recounts the Illiad as 'history'
Oh right, you're an idiot, I should have guessed.
Even if we will take your 'proof' sersiously, in what way is a tanker beaching itself like a gift taken into the city walls? Or do you expect the British garrisson to hall the tanker into the centre of the island?
You can't make this shit up, honestly.
>>29310731
Do you care about Hawaii at all anon? Or would you let a foreign power walk in and take it over?
>>29312379
You're saying that as if they actually arrived at 100% effectiveness, they didn't.
British troops are all cosy, Argy troops are knackered and can't walk properly.
>>29312413
No, seriously, you aren't, you're a dick. Put your brain to better use because if you carry on like this then you are facing mediocre for the rest of your life.
>>29312418
The cargo ship beaching itself would bring the entire garrison to the beach because they'd want to inspect it. then when the ramps and slides deploy the argies would be able to wipe them out quicker. and before >muh typhoon-- keep in mind the cargo ship would have SAMs (in disguise) on it as well.
>>29312432
>all cozy
>implying this wouldn't take place the morning after a holiday when every british soldier is hungover as fuck
>>29312413
Link to a single example of you having 'won' an argument.
Oh and by the way, your imaginery 747 could only land at RAF Mount Pleasant, you'd be handing all your troops straight over into custody.
thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST353mDWL3Q
>>29312443
This is so stupid. Painfully so.
>>29312443
>the entire garrison would go out
No.
>ramps would deply and argies would be able to wipe them out quicker
No.
>SAMS would deter the Typhoons
>SAMS the Argentinians have access too
No.
>the Argentinans could do anything to prevent the reaction force arriving and raping them
No.
>>29312458
>entire military garrisons are allowed to get completely and utterly wankered
No.
>>29312462
>RAF Mount Pleasant
Thats exactly where they'd want to land. Keep in mind a 747 has over a dozen emergency slides. With no chairs in the way the argie special forces would be able to get all 800 men out of the aircraft and onto the tarmac within 2 minutes. that would overwhelm anything the garrison could try to muster.
>>29312504
Ok, 15 year old troll alert. No one could be this thick.
>>29312517
thats what the trojans said when someone said "hey, there could be people in that horse!"
im glad youre not in charge of a military command.
>>29312504
>800 men
>argie special forces
jesus christ are you retarded
>>29312529
I'm glad you're not in charge of wiping your own arse.
>>29312540
>>29312462
>implying the argies don't have 800 special forces
>>29312374
If they couldn't afford a land battle, we would show up. I'm frankly impressed that we sat idle the last time.
An opportunity to get target practice was a motivator of the Spanish / American War. A trained combatant would succeed in WW1.
>>29312554
If the wind changes, you will stay this stupid forever, please, try and fight your way out of this grey fog. I'm not even joking. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
If there was another bout, the United States Army 82nd Airborne Division would jump in and kill everyone.
>>29312580
>maybe ad hominems will prove i'm right!!!
>>29311993
>holy fuck you are delusional
Palpable irony
>No it would happen because the British are all stupid and wouldn't suspect a thing
>>29312643
>ad hominems
You deserve nothing less than a personal attack. Your arguments are just mush.
"Converted airliner filled with special forces somehow managing to take over the island" guy isn't as entertaining as "Converted container ship filled with secret soldiers beaching itself and taking over the island" guy.
>>29312443
I am curious, how quickly do you think you can actually disembark that many troops from a cargo ship?
>>29310731
Thatcher was like the Donald Trump of her day, and she and her electorate wanted to "make Britain great again" after they had lost nearly 80% of the Empire's territory in the years preceding the 1980s.
The Falklands was basically a line in the sand to prove that the Brits were still globally relevant and that they can project their force around the world.
>>29312692
The entire from of the ship will be a ramp that lowers and also there would be a couple of ramps on the side of the ship, so it'd take a couple of minutes to get everyone off, and a further 10 minutes for all the vehicles/tanks to disembark.
>>29311993
>aircraft staff, not suspecting anything
See, this is the flaw in your theory and also why you'd be a bad writer, since your protagonists can't win on their own merit, it requires ineptitude on behalf of the antagonists which makes a boring story and a failed military operation.
>>29312685
It's pretty close though. Although I was assuming it was the same guy.
>>29312730
>Can't afford to sail their existing ships
>Somehow can make an advanced oversized landing craft in secret
>>29312730
>The entire from of the ship will be a ramp that lowers
>>29312730
And you taking into account that one or two wrecked vehicles can cause a bottleneck? The troops disembarking will also be slowed down when they are stepping and tripping over the dead and wounded.
>>29312747
maybe they can't sail their existing ships because all of their budget is going into this cargo ship.
>>29312576
>An opportunity to get target practice was a motivator of the Spanish / American War.
Yes, but back then Sp41n was a comparable power to USA.
>>29312773
>maybe they can't sail their existing ships because all of their budget is going into this cargo ship.
They better hope Ghana does not seize it to pay debts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20966460
>>29312757
>dead and wounded
The upper deck of the ship will have machine gun emplacements and rocket launchers. the hungover garrison would be so completely outgunned they will turn and run to surrender later.
and meanwhile while the garrison is investigating reports of a cargo ship beaching itself a 747 issues a mayday......
>>29312789
>and meanwhile while the garrison is investigating reports of a cargo ship beaching itself a 747 issues a mayday......
Is this the part where Godzilla appears to fight Mothra?
>>29312789
>the hungover garrison
The British army, not used to dealing with hangovers.
>>29312789
>>29312832
>The British army, not used to dealing with hangovers.
This, anyone who has ever served has run a PFT while hanging from the night before.
>>29312802
You would witness the fright of the 82nd Airborne Division vs your imaginary comic. We would drop in and kill everyone who did not appear to surrender. Even then, we pull the trigger.
Also, they could build a tunnel from Argentina to underneath the British commanders hut. Then, elite Argentinian super soldiers would leap out and capture him and the spineless British soldiers would then surrender immediately. GAME. OVER.
>>29310447
they wouldn't try
maggie = last non-pussie in the brit government
>>29312413
how about this?
>747 declears emergency
>base goes on alert
>as soon as the first argie comes out it turns into a giant metal coffin for 80% of your assault force due to MG fire and IFV's (if the brits even have these there?)
>the other 20% either surrenders or get cut down in the 200 meter run to the nearest cover
>>29312789
>The upper deck of the ship will have machine gun emplacements and rocket launchers
Youre making this up as you go along, arent you.
At least you arent posting pictures of niggers in england like that other argie on 4chan.
>>29310447
I think, after what seemed like an eternity of asymmetric warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan then the British armed forces would welcome the chance to fight a conventional war for once. Any logistical shortfalls quite likely to be provided by the Americans if necessary. Argentine armed forces very likely to be bitch-slapped hard into the next world.
>>29312421
Hawaii is an actual state though. Samoa or Puerto Rico would be a better comparison.
>>29312884
What if the special forces wear costumes of endangered penguins and other animals? that would buy them precious time.
>>29312029
>>29310811
>>29310715
I'd trust an Argentinian to think up some horseshit scenario like this.
>Argentina stockpiles weapons, ammo, supplies for Malvinas 2: Electric Boogaloo
>"special forces" grow, suddenly disappear, the only 747 in Argentina takes off with a flight plan near the Falklands
>747 calls mayday next to the islands, lands to attempt the most fucking obvious trojan horse in history
>As history has shown, Argies cannot into warfare, so they put ALL of their infantry eggs literally into one basket
>Sun Tzu de Maradona devises masterful battleplan to use actual slides, come out guns blazing
Holy shit I can't even continue. This is too hilarious. All of us who are grounded in the real world, however, like to look at previous events as an indication of how an identical or very similar event will go. Seems like Argentina already got blown the fuck out. Too bad so sad for you.
It would almost be interesting if they managed to do it to see what the British response would be.
>>29313025
> implying penguins with guns and gear deploying from emergency slides wont be shot
>>29312789
this is just bad fan fiction at this point...if I was a garrison commander of an island near a country who historically has had problems with the nation I hail from, you can guarantee the second I hear about a beached container ship AND a plane that's having problems at coincidentally the same time, you can bet your ass I going to sound a full alert.
>>29312856
shut up boot
>>29313056
don't penguins have pouches like kangaroos? they could have the weapons and gear stores in those. SMGs in the pouches and in the cargo hold of the aircraft they'd have their machines guns etc, after the garrison surrenders and they have time to get those.
>>29313055
In this fucko world of slides, penguins, and Argentinian victories I would advise Her Majesty to build Monkey Bars to the Falklands and assault with slingshots and tactical marbles.
>>29313077
I think also, that its against the Geneva Convention to shoot penguins, even if they're armed, and so the British, renowned for their sense of fair play, would be automatically doomed.
>>29313097
You can shoot at penguins but only if they shoot at you first. This became the ROE after a couple of nuns were shot in the second world war up in Norway.
![custom-penguin-carnival-costumes-cartoon[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/s5elR8U.jpg "custom-penguin-carnival-costumes-cartoon[1].jpg")
The british would never know what hit em.
>>29310447
>I think that without any carriers/harriers the brits would be pretty fucked.
Last time we went to make sandcastles at port stanley we got the blokes there by marching in to southampton docks and comanderring a cruise liner. I'm sure we'd come up with something.
>>29310568
>as soon as he stepped of the aeroplane he'd set about telling them how they're all a bunch of wogs and owning countries is for white people
This is probably the truest thing I've ever read on /k/.
>>29310731
>Why do the brits care so much about a couple of shitty islands 4000 miles away from their own shitty island?
It's similar to the spot of bother we've had with the spud munchers. If they'd just asked nicley right at the start we'd likley have just given them the islands. I've been to the Falklands, and can hand on heart say it's the most boring place in the universe - worse than a friday night in Tidworth, there's nothing there worth fighting for. Thing is, once you let one country take something from you by force they'll all be at it and the next thing you know all we'd have left is the isle of wight.
Is 747 boy still here, or did his mom call him down for his tea yet?
>>29313162
>Air cover
Unfortunately for you, Penguins can't fly, so air cover is unnecessary.
>Equipment fails. Britfags werent field testing their equipment frequently during training and maintenance
kek, Maybe Argies are this incompetent, but not Brits. I've spent plenty of time around British soldiers and they have all the markings of a first world fighting force, i.e., maintenance who do their job. I can barely get a package delivered in Argentina.
>Russia goes hot for some reason
???
>Britain needs MUH SEELZ to save them
What a bullshit book. Britain has their own fucking special forces.
But like I said, this is all pointless speculation. History is real. You lost. Eat shit.
>>29312504
>800 argie special forces
They don't exist.
They're not as good as regular Britis troops.
There's less of them than there are defenders.
>Attacking an entrenched defender on their home turf with a numerical disadvantage is a good idea
>especially with no elemnet of surprise as you've just made a highly suspicious landing on an RAF base
I know you're an troll/Sir Reginal Autismo, King of the Spergs, but I guess I like bashing my head against a brick wall.
Someone post the cartoon already.
>>29313118
"Fucking penguins! Get ready for some payback!"
>>29313206
Still here, waiting for someone intelligent to show up so i can have an actual discussion.
>>29312789
>hangovers
>not immediately dissapearing at the first sign of trouble
You've never been hungover have you?
>>29313228
"You beens talking 'ogwash boy utter 'ogwash I say! I 'ave you in my unit I whip you into shape in no time!!"
>>29312864
>last non-pussy
>Blair basically agreed to invade an entire country for no reason
m'kay
>>29312884
They don't have any IFV's. Not that it'd matter.
For some reason some people can't get it in their heads that if the Argentinians couldn't take the Island when it had no garrison or defences, what chance does it have with one?
>>29310813
>American Samoa
Football (American) training camp.
>>29313228
You can tell you're talking utter shit because no ones even angry at you, they just think that what you are saying is a joke. And /k/ is a place that can get very angry indeed sometimes.
You have just become light entertainment, a fool to be laughed at.
>>29313228
An "intelligent" discussion about:
>Tactical Penguins
>Putting your entire invading force in one single commercial civilian plane
>Slide infantry
Why is it that Argentinians are such niggers? You are literally on the same level right now as black history revisionists. If this thread goes on any longer, Argentinians will have had ancient laser guns and space planes from a thousand years ago, and still would if only da ebil briddush empire didn't take away muh-vinas.
Why don't you get a job instead of fantasizing about penguin infantry retaking the Falklands? Anyone with any strategic education knows what a retarded idea that is. Slides. Give me a break.
>>29313215
The book doesnt mention penguins, what the fuck are you talking about?
Equipment doesn't fail, the book says that the argie airstrikes came in the opposite direction that the british SAMs were facing.
Russia struck a deal with the argies, i forgot what the specifics were.
Britian at this point had agreed to a ceasefire and were in talks, they couldn't send their own special forces over to rescue the SAS team.
>>29313216
>They don't exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Forces_Group
Google is hard. Scroll down to the bottom and look at the other special forces units they have.
Even in the Falklands war, the british troops admitted that the argentinan commandos fought very well.
>>29313301
>Airstrikes successful because SAMs were pointed the wrong way at the time
This is how I know you're an Argentinian.
>>29313228
Hello there, I kind of agree with your scenario to an extent, I think a surprise attack using an aircraft in 'trouble' could yield some results.
So what loadout would the Argentinian special force have? Would the argentinians land fighter aircraft eventually? Would they land IFV's? What part would the navy play in the fighting?
>>29313228
>"intelligent"
>plans on disguising his troops as penguins (who are in reality smaller then 1m20) en then attacking across a runway with no cover for at least 200m
TOP KEK
>>29313265
Uh, hello? They DID take the island. The british just took it back.
>>29313301
>the book says that the argie airstrikes came in the opposite direction that the british SAMs were facing.
This is one of many retarded things about that book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lw84nl9780
>>29311154
You 'avin a bubble there sunshine?
>Submarines around it
We've got 11 subs in total. Of those, 4 are ballastic missile subs, one's a training ship and at least 3 are in for refit and repairs at any given time. That gives us a total of 3, assuming none of them go tits up, to cover the entire planet. They do patrol the south atlantic, but it's not like our entire sub fleet just does laps of the falklands.
>around 8000 Marines
There aren't that many RM Commandos in service, even if you count reserves. The falklands contingent is less than 100 men.
>>29312925
This. Brits gave extensive recent experiance and much better kit than in the 80's. The modern argentine millitary would lose to their own millitary from the 80's
>>29313324
>800 special forces
>they don't exist
>800, i.e. the number of them, being the key part here sonny jim
>>29313377
>all those special forces must have less than 800 people!
YOU are the one claiming that they dont have 800 special forces. Provide sources or fuck off.
>>29313301
Well they did have problems with Argentinian aircraft at one point as some ships were located between two valleys, the Argentinian aircraft would stay low, pop over the top briefly, drop their load, then get back to hugging the earth on the over side.
British basically ended up bolting any and every MG they had to the railings etc on the sides of the ships and just put a curtain of lead up in the path of the Argeninians since they couldn't engage them with missiles.
This is all strictly IIRC.
>>29313339
Fine, take and hold then, you still get the gist of what I meant.
>>29312071
>what is having a fire extinguisher even when you don't think a fire will happen
>>29313391
>argie scum detected
Your tears are delicious.
>>29313436
Fires happen all the time, as do sneak attacks by nation-states.
>>29313469
>sneak attacks by nation states happen all the time
Not really. If you can name a dozen 'sneak attacks' (and I don't mean after war has been declared, I mean as the in the first act of hostilities with no warning) enacted by the normal military of one developed nation against an opposing developed countries soil and normal military in the last 100 hundred years, I'll suck off a dog.
>>29310447
The last I heard Argentina was terrifyingly poor. Any invasion would only fuck up its economy even more. Likely America would impose scorched earth economic sanctions which would cripple the economy. Bad move to invade even if the Brits couldn't take it back.
But because of sanctions eventually they would be forced to give it back.
>>29313469
>thinly veiled passive aggressive cuck threat
Please, Oh Please, Argentina! Please try to retake the Falklands. We could use some entertainment.
>>29313466
>i can't provide any evidence to backup my claim!!!
>>29313502
It would be nice to have a good stand up fight against people who can't seemlessly blend into the native population.
Plus its Argentina so no one of consequence will care.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g
>>29313498
9/11 is all i need to say. no one fathomed that scenario yet it happened.
but since you asked
-battle of Meggido
-Q-ships (actually very, similar to my cargo ship scenario
-operation barbarossa= hitler had stalin convinced that the nazis were massing in order to attack britain
-operation quicksilver
-yom kippur war= deception built over time to make the israelis think it was an annual exercise
-9/11
the list goes on and on, im only stopping now because i dont want you to abuse a dog.
>>29313518
Keep it up Argie boy. How are those slums going for you? Just remember, you're so unpopular and shit that Northerners actually supported Maggie over you.
>>29313561
Keep it up 50 cents. Remember to ask for a raise!
>>29313559
>I don't mean after war has been declared, I mean as the in the first act of hostilities with no warning
>enacted by the normal military of one developed nation against an opposing developed countries soil and normal military
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking.
>>29312655
>>29311225
>>29310878
You fucking retards he's baiting you.
>>29313571
>implying anyone needs to pay people to slag off argies
The real question is, could Argentina beat China if the latter decided to get revenge over their sunken trawler?
>>29313584
Oh shit, I hadn't noticed, thanks for telling me /sarcasm/.
>>29313571
argentina coulden't even pay you fifty cents, much less secure the falklands
>>29313571
We're not even talking about China.
That being said, could China take the Falklands with their largest commercial airliner?
Could a An-225 Mriya filled with elite spetsnaz operators conquer the Islands?
>>29312053
I'm trying to imagine the conditions on that ship.
Its horrifying.
What about 100 VW beetles with 80 highly trained members of the Special Comedy Brigade in each one, all armed with pies and seltzer bottles?
>>29313658
if they plan on landing before attacking, i think they would meet their end in a machine gun riddled,burning plane.
anyway i would think a paradrop would be a more viable approche? thoughts?
>>29313584
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>29313723
>anyway i would think a paradrop would be a more viable approche? thoughts?
Yeah its more viable than the cargo ships or distress plane but you have to remember that Typhoons will scramble if anything unannounced approaches the Islands. Its a suicide mission for the pilots and anyone that does not jump in time.
>>29313786
Plus a Mriya is a fucking huge plane, with like only one left in the world.
Pretty hard to explain how a plane like that would just disappear.
>>29313836
Yeah, even with smaller more common planes good luck finding pilots willing to go on suicide runs.
>>29313786
how far is the nearest civilian air route and would it be possible to mask a couple of jets under an airliner and have them strike the typhoons/runway before the take off before the paradrop? anyway how is the british SAM defence over there?
>>29313663
horrifying compared to what? a disney dream caribbean cruise? or world war 2?
>>29313706
>>29312064
>>29312182
>CdG is both quite big and has arresting wires. F-35B can probably go for a conventional landing rather than vertical, and thus avoid the deck problem.
On the QEs they're going to use rolling landings anyway, not vertical.
>>29312413
>Yet I'm winning every single argument when people try to challenge the scenario
MY SCENARIO STANDS?
>>29313412
Actually I can vouch for the machine guns on the railings, I know a guy who was there. He claims his unit was credited with a kill
>>29313045
don't forget
>"undamaged" 747 crashes into the sea trying to land because of shit maintenance.
>>29311996
Are you sure you weren't reading a Tom Clancy novel?
>>29313045
>>29310811
So out of hypothetical interest, assume two obviously military aircraft are flying in a way that the nearest alternate airport is the falklands (for fun, let's assume South Africa > Argentina, and 2 C-5s given to argentina by the white association for being very white.)
If the two declare an emergency (claiming they flew into one another, when dealing with argentinian military not implausible.) are the british obligated to let them land as aircraft in distress (claiming only to have cargo, no troops)? or as they're military can they go "sorry m8s, best of luck making it back to argentina!"
Rangeban all Argentinians please japmoot
>>29310447
The UK would probably have US backup anyway.
Do Argentinians really still care about the Falklands?
Outside of 4chan the only person I've ever seen arguing about LAS MALVINAS has been myself (Brit) trying to bait the more obnoxious RULE BRITANNIA types into looking silly.
>>29314774
>Do Argentinians really still care about the Falklands?
Yes, they care a lot.
>>29314774
It's used as a sort of political rally cry for Argies.
Here in the US, you just start shouting 9/11 if you don't actually have anything to talk about politically; same in Argentina but with the Falklands.
>>29312504
Ever wonder what a few machine guns could do to 800 completely exposed and crowded men on flat ground with two minutes to do it in?
>>29313333
The argies would simply only use troops shorter than 1.2m tall
>>29315424
The lollipop guild does not have enough members.
>>29315432
They would probably just recruit the very best midgets from all over the world to undertake the world's shortest andost daring operation
>>29315480
Will Warwick Davis lead an Ewok raid against us? If they can take out the Empire then we are fucked.
>>29310731
Oil
>>29311993
What are they going to do once they get on the tarmac, run all the way to the British fucking airbase and suicide bomb them?
>>29312029
Once again,
How
The
Fuck
Do
800
Men
Defeat
1400
Garrisoned
Men?
>>29313663
>latrine is designated shitting decks
>mess is MRE's for the entire trek.
>>29312126
What fucking history are you taking about?!
>>29312162
Mate, the 55 speed limit was done away ages ago, states decide their own speed limit now, Texas' is 85.
