The United States has just declared war on North Vietnam.
You now are in command of all US forces in Indochina.
How do you win the war?
Three quarters of what was spent on helicopters and airmobile infantry should have been spent on vehicles like the M113 and motorized/mechanized infantry.
Make a single, steady, south to north advance trough cities, jungles, everything. Make sure every corner of the country is clear before moving up.
Just like we beat the Japs in WWII...
Build a wall and make the North pay for it.
I'm actually a Russian spy. So, I make sure that the US never wins.
>>29308404
And miss out on the Yom Kipur war?
Fuck off
>>29308404
Your mommy just told you it was time for bed.
You don't want to brush your teeth.
How do you get away with it?
>>29308404
give zero fucks about country borders.
>>29308466
>Disperse already dispersed troops
Nixon did that and he still lost
>>29308404
give command to somebody else.
grab sks and go innawoods.
>>29308404
Bomb Hanoi.
Mine Haiphong.
Oh, wait, I can't do either, because LBJ is one of the worst presidents in history.
>>29308438
I would call the one man who can win that war....
>>29309486
>>29308404
everyone gets a flamethrower
>>29308464
Wet the toothbrush
my first thought was more napalm but this >>29308437 works too
Stuck a grenade up my ass
>>29309494
i like it
>>29308404
Release the South Koreans. May god have mercy on the Vietcong, because the ROK will not.
SOME FOLKS ARE BORN
>>29308418
oh nigger I hope you are rusing
>>29309545
IN THE USA
Find someone who has a better idea than HURRR MUH K/D to win the war
Stop raping and concentrate on fighting.
>>29308404
>inb4 we didn't loose
More napalm
>>29309631
>inb4 we didn't win
Napalm and firebombing around the clock, light the country aflame
>>29309634
>>29309639
>inb4 k/d ratio
Make a wall on the North/South border
make Murrican troops guard them while south Vietnamese do the offensive
apply the tactics that brits used during the Malayan emergency such as displacing the populace while ensuring they can actually be secured and not be recruited or support the insurgents,carry out incursion,raids and patrol by commando units such as the SASR
try to decorrupt the South Vietnamese government,hiring actual capable leaders rather then ineffective puppets
Carry out large scale offensives only when attacking strongpoints
even then i doubt that there would be total victory,only a situation mirroring the aftermath of the gorean war
>>29308404
>Commit the full force of the US military to the war
>carpet bomb Hanoi around the clock
>Expand war into Cambodia
>Bar all reporters from country
>Anyone caught going to N. Nam is put on trial for treason.
>ARVN forces are given 23 weeks of training with US forces shooting anyone who runs in combat.
>US forces create a rolling front line with massive offensive. Searching every inch of jungle, village and city from sea to sea starting from the south and slowly moving north.forces will consolidate on any and all enemy contact. (IE we found an enemy battalion so we hit it with EVERYTHING)
Tldr: if you arent using overwhealming force, you are doing it wrong.
Large amphibious landing in the north, & march on hanoi
Tell the chinese they will be nuked if they start shit
>>29309664
decorrupting things is likely impossible, since I expect certain people(jews) in the US government were profiting greatly from it.
Just JDAM everything like it's actually WWI and achieve no social victory whatsoever.
In other words this thread. The underage really needs to fuck off.
>>29309674
way to make sure that there will be ongoing unrest going on the region
>>29309684
>march in Hanoi
>the Northerners just move their base elsewhere
pffft why do you bring conventional warfare tactics on the table
>>29309690
It's actually possible
the murricans put Syngman Rhee,a hardass iron fisted guy with dictatorial leaning on top for South Korea
he was a strong enough figure to make sure the country overpass the commies by the 80's
>>29309699
Yea I'm sure the north will keep fighting when their country is occupied huh
They don't need things like logistics, or manpower, right?
>>29309711
>It's possible to suppress the entire North without any consideration to convert the populace
jesus christ have you seen every single force who tried to apply that and fail miserably?
>>29308404
But USA need Vietnam to keep Chicoms in check;
OP is a faggot
>>29308404
First thing I would do is address 'why' there is an insurgency in the first place. It does no good to kill bad guys if the government you are supporting them is making new bad guys faster than you kill them.
We viewed Vietnam as a purely military operation rather than a political situation.
>>29308404
install it ain't me speakers on all aircraft
>>29309631
well, we didn't let loose our entire arsenal.
>>29308404
Court marital any soldier dressed improperly.
Court martial any soldier who takes drugs.
Court martial any soldier who engages in sexual relation with the natives.
Sentence - penal battalion.
Declare open areas as those in which any casualty is taken and all non military are considered enemy combatants.
Fight at night and own the jungle.
Anyone who enters theatre stays there until the war is won.
Sink any shipping transporting arms.
Destroy all rice crops in enemy areas.
Intern all individuals captured in OAs
Bomb every concentration of thermal detection in OAs until they don't exist.
Media blackout.
>>29308460
The most stressful job in the world right here.
>at blame for every bump in the night
>decisions carry far beyond your borders
>people wildly overestimate your actual powers
>legislature patterns gurantee you are essentially toothless after senate elections 2 years in
The onion did an article "black man given worst job in America", it was pretty good.
>>29310903
>fight at night and own the jungle
apparently american night battle tactics have become that sufficient that they could switch up their soldiers into nocturnals
>anyone who enters theatre stays there until the war is won
right,just like the french or italians did in world war 1,let the soldiers stay in battle without leave or replacement,it'll be a great morale boost
>sink any shipping transporting arms
well the american navy is pretty strong and all,and it's not like vietnamese have any other way to transport all their arms,it's not like they have a trail or shit
>rice crops
the civilian population would really agree with decision,let them eat cake
>bomb every concentration of thermal detection
yes,night bombing is superbly optimal in obliterating strategic targets,all the night bombing done during world war 2 have proven that
>media blackout
agreed,the populace will surely give continous support of the war,even with not seeing anyone returning once they were enlisted
>>29310944
china and russia were supplying vietnam by ship through the whole war
American politicians were democrats, aka treasonous pussy cowards, so they did nothing about it.
>>29310944
Where possibly use non USA infantry who have a strong infantry tradition and discipline.
The populations feelings are irrelevant. They are better off dead than communist.
Starvation is an effective weapon.
Leave is taken in country on base.
The British managed quite well in Malaysia the core problem is trying to get US infantry to be soldiers instead of ill disciplined, unkempt drug addicts .who are afraid of the dark and cry over dead children while trying to fuck their mothers.
>>29311019
Correct.
Sink any ship carrying arms and execute the crew.
>>29308404
Paratroopers and same way we did the Philippines
>>29311019
shipping account for less then 15% total of arms coming in to Vietnam,though a blockade will be effective,it would not be crippling to the war effort
>>29311025
obviously you only have layman grasp in this
The population would continuously symphatize with the insurgents,allowing them to recruit and gain supplies
And you know that the majority of troops fighting were actually South Vietnamese right,unless you want to saddle the whole burden to the US then you're better off not pissing your allies
And Vietnam is such a wonderful location to enjoy off right,apparently soldiers don't have loved ones back home
The British managed quite well in Malaya because they isolated the commies from the populace support by winning hearts and mind,they sectioned off population by creating new settlements,created designated black and white zone to determine commie hotspot,and limited operation to special dedicated commando unit for search and destroy mission,while most of the others are designated into protecting settlements from any commies entering
even then resistance didn't end well until the 90's
>>29311019
Any US civilian who is in communication with the enemy or propagandises for them is conscripted and posted to labour battalions in Alaska for the duration of the war. Any profits resulting are distributed to war widows or children of fallen servicemen.
We can't go north of the border with any land forces and we can't take out the Soviet/Eurofaggot/Chinese ships supplying our enemy. My land forces are largely unwilling draftees whose 'war aim' consists not of winning, but surviving their twelve months in country. My hands are tied, and so are my feet. The result will be the same.
So I resign. Call it the Cartman Doctrine -- screw you guys, I'm going home.
>>29311104
Your arguments could be applied to Nazi Germany.
If the civilian population do not comply then kill them.
Worked in Germany.
Do it at night. Own the night, own the jungle, murder and starve any area of resistance.
Bomb any enemy sanctuary.
>>29308404
Sue for peace. Allow the North to occupy the South, allow socialism, apologize for the French etc., provided that they align with the West and not China or the Soviets. The North wanted independence, and they were always the stronger of the two. The South Vietnamese were useless and corrupt. A left-leaning Vietnam that stayed independent of Chinese and Soviet influence would have been a far better alternative to the proxy war we eventually lost.
>>29311145
You cannot win a war with men who are drug addicts, engage in prostitution have no pride in themselves or their unit and are literally counting days to when they may leave rather than dreaming of victory.
>>29311145
that should've what the americans done in the first place
the south vietnamese government were hopeless
the north vietnamese were ruthless and fanatical fighters
vietnam offers no real strategic offering,since the americans already have the philippines and taiwan for bases in the south china sea and brits assistance in singapore and malaysia for malacca strait
one of the major casus for entering the war,which is to prevent the domino effect of countries becoming commies and likewise influence other countries was proven wrong when the spread was contained to laos and cambodia
>>29311169
And you are shown up as weak and lacking in moral courage, incapable of fighting total war and a useless ally.
>>29311161
you're comparing apples to oranges
how are you trying to install a nazi mindset into soldiers when they're goal is to maintain a democratic country
>>29311202
>And you are shown up as weak and lacking in moral courage, incapable of fighting total war and a useless ally.
And what did our eventual loss show the rest of the world, in addition to wasting untold billions that could have been spent elsewhere on more worthy battles?
>>29311202
>shown up as weak and lacking in moral courage
really then anon,a humiliating defeat and loss of men is that worth it for some backwater tropical clay?
maybe you're just lacking sufficient cerebral capacity if you believe that
Make it clear to the Russians/Chinese if they get involved its fucking nuclear war, don't be a pussy for shit and then just beat the fuck out of the now unequipped yellow monkeys
>>29311223
Only because the weak and the gutless like yourself were not interned as traitors as any other nation would have done.
Talk of surrender when in a war is an act of treason.
Penal battalion in Alaska for you son.
>>29308404
Leave
The conflict wasn't worth the half assed effort it got, why do you think it'd be worth whole-assing?
>>29311240
>risking nuclear war for some strategically unimportant shit
top tier mentality anon
>>29311241
all the war hawks in the Pentagon were the ones who had their asses booted when Vietnam was done
guess you need that same shit handed to you shit for brains anon
>>29311240
No - use it as an opportunity to show you are capable as a nation of destroying anything that opposes you. Let China and Russia watch and thank them for the opportunity to demonstrate what you will do to any group who chooses to ally with Marxist Leninists.
>bomb middle east
>accuse north vietnam of being racist for not taking muslim refugees
>they start doing that
>sit back and watch
>>29311241
>sue for peace
>surrender
What we have here is a Trump-like grasp of international relations and geopolitics.
>>29308404
Anthrax bombs
Anthrax nukes
Agent orange chemtrails 24/7
AIDS bombs
More nukes
Mininukes
>>29311266
how do you ensure that they don't retaliate by not sending nukes of their own?
>>29311268 (You)
>>29308404
>china gets tired of Kim shitting up everything
>putin tired of norks
>uneasy coalition of china, UN, and Russia forces invade best korea
>???
>>29311265
Communist subversion of the US civilian population was tolerated. The penal battalion for you to son. You return when victory is won.
It is now historical fact that the kgb were massively active in orchestrating the US anti-war movement.
Mcarthy was right.
>>29311295
in any case,it's better off letting the Norks make the first move
then we would have a very strong casus to wipe them off
>>29311281
I did not propose nukes. You are confused.
>>29311305
pfft stick it up your ass anon
propaganda was hardly the definitive reason Murrica lost in Vietnam
>>29311323
faggot
>>29311241
>That feel when you realize half this board doesn't care about liberty or individual rights beyond gun rights
If we could have just made our country shittier and less free, been more aggressive with our nuclear adversaries, and burned up more of the people we currently trade with and visit on vacation, we would surely be better off.
>>29311323
You think the way you do because of communist propaganda and a lack of any strong value system or ethical code.
Your parents were obviously mud fucking pinkos.
>>29311311
my only concern is with the generations of indoctrination in place if the people would just reinstate another dictator after we 'liberate' them
>>29311358
War has that effect. So much more the reason to strive for victory.
>>29309634
Name?
>>29311349
>>29311372
>obviously retarded enough not to know the real reason of defeat in Vietnam
>have to use ad hominems to protect their precious feelers
my family actually fought commies rather then putting retarded ideas
>>29311380
>29311380
If he is not a Marxist who aligns with your enemy who cares?
>>29311380
yes,the norks are so brainwashed that it'll be a chore to actually reeducate them and integrate them into the normal world
it'll be a huge money pit to actually modernize the nation,maybe it'll turn up just like South Korea or it'll go bust
>>29311387
So did mine. We won.
>>29311407
what's your definition of victory,getting kicked out of a country with your shit between your legs?
>>29311251
Exactly! Why would they want to continue supplying jungle men if it meant everything they have being blown to radioactive shit? They'd fucking kneel before me too, I wouldn't actually start a nuclear war but I'd make it clear for them to butt out or else.
>>29311305
>historical fact
Well, no, it's disputed and irrelevant. Moral opposition to the Vietnam War was sound and needed no outside help. The conflict was bad for America, much, much worse for Vietnam and there was never a good reason for our involvement.
>>29311415
Dead commies, no more commies.
I am not American if I were we would have lost..
>>29311385
SpecOps: The Line
>>29311428
Typical pinko nonsense. You just like surrender and cowardice and so did your commie parents. You may even be the bastard by product of your mothers dropping lsd and walking around naked with maos little red book in a hippie camp while your father was off under a tree meditating on cock
>>29311461
faggot
>>29311469
Pinko scum.
>>29309674
Americans do you know what subtlety is?
>>29311381
>Victory
There was nothing to win except a bigger stack of bodies. You're retarded, and the war was retarded. They went "commie" and now they make every goddamn dollar store product you can ever desire and play host to every other college kid on a gap year looking to get hammered and laid.
>>29311474
faggot
>>29311461
You blew it, you need to be more subtle. 4/10 for keeping it going this long.
>>29311184
>You cannot win a war with men who are drug addicts, engage in prostitution have no pride in themselves or their unit and are literally counting days to when they may leave rather than dreaming of victory.
Watch me fagget
>>29308404
1. Retrain the useless idiots america had as an army training includes:
Close quarters
Ambush tactics
Anti-sniper/ambush tactics
Survival in jungle
2. Give new less shit soldiers weapons that are hard wearing, effective at close quarters and can that can fire through thick jungle foliage. (Not high velocity, poor penatration, long range rifles that jam up with a few grains of sand.
3. Move populus into protected camps.
4. Send commando teams on scouting/ seek and destroy missions with order to shoot EVERYTHING that moves
5. What teams can riddle with bullets get`s blown to hell
6. Place a favorable leader in powee
7. Leave best soldiers to train the new governments army
8. Leave new puppet state.
9. Get a pay rise
>>29311514
Communist traitor the spawn of the baby boomer scum who sold out America
"According to Stanislav Lunev, GRU alone spent more than $1 billion for the peace movements against Vietnam War, which was a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost". Lunev claimed that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad"
Your parents are when America stopped being great
>>29308404
Massive bombing campaigns for a year, then threads of nuclear bombing unless surrender. Exscuse English please
>>29311598
faggot
>god is American
>>29308404
>pic related
>>29311626
>Linebacker I,II and Rolling Thunder dropped more bombs then all of World War 2 combined
>still didn't manage to win
>>29311675
Then I carpet bomb cities with nuclear bombings commies die
>>29311632
smelly hippy vermin
Remind the team we're playing Conquest not TDM.
>>29311704
>>29311697
>carpet bomb nam
>have none less for the ivans and chongs
>>29311704
but how do you capture H?
>>29308404
Do like Nixon did: bomb them so hard that they beg you for peace. Don't do like Johnson did and make the US sit there and hunt gooks in the bushes, go big or go home.
>>29308404
Then launch pre-emptive strikes against all commie nations, commies still die. Body fluids saved
>>29309908
Don't you mean "fortunate son?"
>>29311733
>Body fluids saved
>>29311733
The world would have been better off if Russia was nuked flat a long time ago. Like a bursting boil the collapse of the USSR caused social infection of cultural Marxism which spawned ultimately SJW. The death of family, the stillborn generation.
According to Sergei Tretyakov, "The KGB was responsible for creating the entire nuclear winter story to stop the Pershing II missiles."
Tretyakov says that the KGB wanted to prevent the United States from deploying the missiles in Western Europe and that, directed by Yuri Andropov, they used the Soviet Peace Committee, a government organization, to organize and finance demonstrations in Europe against US bases. He claims that misinformation based on a faked "doomsday report" by the Soviet Academy of Sciences about the effect of nuclear war on climate was distributed to peace groups, the environmental movement and the journal Ambio which carried a key article on the topic in 1982
>>29311764
the name of the song is "it aint me"
>>29311781
That only makes my desire to blast those damned slavs back to their Asiatic stoneage
>>29311781
>>29311809
Patton was a truly great man.
Drop a hydrogen bomb on Hanoi
>>29311822
R.I.P Germans and Patton, both victims of Slavic-Gomunism
>>29311801
The song's name is fortunate son unless, you are referring to some other song by credence clear water.
It's real easy to blame the public at home
But if the generals leading the troops weren't so incompetent & actually won the war, then things wouldn't have been a problem.
In reality the failure of the vietnam war rests on the people who fought it/commanded it.
>>29311848
pretty sure it's Silver Spoon.
>Invent the RipIt
>supply to American infantry
>???
>profit
>>29311861
Ur funy
:DDDDD
>>29311824
Win without dropping the bomb but through discipline and the moral clarity to use overwhelming force against a civilian population indoctrinated with an evil authoritarian creed that allies them with a monster (the USSR) that threatened the light of civilisation (the west) with destruction. Be ruthless be cruel because in doing so you shorted the war and ultimately bring peace more quickly. The same applies to Assad and ISIS.
As long as the west tolerates Russia sponsoring Nazis and SJWs our children will live in poverty, desperation and fear..
>>29311848
I think you mean creedence clareinet revival
>>29311889
?
what are you babbling about
the marxists running the west have been the #1 cause of evil the last 100 + years
It was the west who started & fought two world wars.
>>29311889
>Assad and IS
I feel like you have no idea what you're talking about
>>29311912
Stalin invaded Poland as Hitler's ally. Putin is his successor.
>>29311930
Stalin was never "hitler's ally"
Destroying communism and bolshevism was always the goal of National Socialism
Which is why the marxist controlled west picked the communists to side with.
>>29311918
Assad allowed ISIS to thrive and released its leaders from prison and ttack the US client state in Iraq that he may seem the 'good guy' which is why the Rusians avoided bombing them as they like to keep assad in power because he provides them with a naval base for nuclear submarines.
Moscow is sponsoring far right groups throughout Europe will simultaneously sponsoring far left groups.
As with Vietnam unless the west acts with conviction and determination the rot of fascism and cultural Marxism will be propagated from Moscow...the house of lies.
>>29311966
>Making shit up
>>29311977
He funds both the extreme right and left in Greece, the national front in France, a multitude of leftist 'anti war' and 'anti austerity' groups and any group which supports the collapse of nato, the eu and nuclear disarmament.
As regards Assad creating ISIS under Russian advisors...just do your research.
>>29312003
You got a citation for any of that?
More broadly for 60 years Moscow has funded extremist political groups that attack the family, create social division and weaken the western nations.
The Vietnam 'peace' movement was kgb triumph as is the SJW movement and upcoming generation of millennial socialist environmentalist authoritarians because there can be no strength in nations who are based on cultural Marxism. It was designed to infect a host a destroy it from within.
>>29312015
Yes. Do you want material?
>>29312046
Not really
Russia doesn't have the money to do meaningful funding of foreign groups
Literally nothing compared to the tens of billions the west throws around.
>>29312062
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2013/04/cnd-cannot-rewrite-its-own-history/
"As for Soviet funding of CND, it was proven in November 1991 that the KGB bankrolled the British Communist Party throughout the 1970s – the very period when (as Bruce Kent repeatedly acknowledged) only the support of the Communist Party and of the Quakers enabled CND to survive.’
To today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/12103602/America-to-investigate-Russian-meddling-in-EU.html
"The US intelligence review will examine whether Russian security services are funding parties and charities with the intent of “undermining political cohesion”, fostering agitation against the Nato missile defence programme and undermining attempts to find alternatives to Russian energy.
Officials declined to say which parties could come into the probe but it is thought likely to include far-right groups including Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece, the Northern League in Italy and France’s Front National which received a 9m euro (£6.9m) loan from a Russian bank in 2014.
Other cases of possible Moscow-backed destabilisation being monitored by diplomats includes extensive links in Austria, including a visit by Austrian MPs to Crimea to endorse its annexation, as well as cases of Russian spies discovered using Austrian papers.
’
An Unholy Alliance: The European Far Right and Putin's Russia
https://books.google.ie/books?id=va6rCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA56&lpg=PA56&dq=moscow+backing+far+right&source=bl&ots=s_-6zXXlJJ&sig=NSJJvy9rDXb4AeoReHBJorbSV7Y&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=moscow%20backing%20far%20right&f=false
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They also were thrilled with the occupy movement......
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/61498/russia-funds-french-national-front-is-moscow-sowing-european-unrest
>>29310921
Kek. you have a link?
pack my bags and go home since I don't give a fuck about gooks. Let them kill each other.
>>29312111
>getting LOANS from russian banks
>Russia is financing right wing groups! this is why they are the most popular political groups in their respective countries
The modern rulers of the west are hard left internationalists who are working to destroy the country
If anyone is "undermining political cohesion", it is them.
I'm sure if you had right wing governments which allowed oil drilling/exploration, they'd find plenty of oil in europe.
>>29311704
Id start a real estate marketing campaign in laos and cambodia so that all the hipster faggots moving there would buy up the ho chi minh trail properties and force the NVA to move to lower income trails in vietnam. The lack of oppourtunities and libraries would force them into a generations long cycle of poverty and they wouldn't be able to fill their ranks.
COIN
COIN
COIN
COIN
>>29308418
>Mechanized infantry
>Advancing through every inch of mountainous fetid jungle bullshit that is Vietnam
Pick one.
Also
>Implying they wont just walk around your "line" through Cambodia and Laos
>>29308404
Easy, as we know now, it was a political victory for the North Viets.
Suppress media regarding the fighting, no TV, pictures and/or anything regarding dead Americans coming back. No retard ROE. Install a competent moderate as the puppet head of State, that retard we installed in South Vietnam was a disaster.
>>29309494
>>29309533
>>29309634
That's a lot of fried rice
>>29308404
Shoot Jane Fonda.
