How do submarine crews know its safe to surface thru ice and how thick is the ice usually?
>>29305118
They've got super high frequency sonar (at least I think it's HF. might be super low frequency) specifically to measure ice depth.
>>29305118
Looks liek they missed the target
>>29305273
How does the conning tower not get rekt by the weight of the ice? Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure or is the tower just forming a good wedge and strength isn't as vital?
>>29305399
Magic. And most of the time they're not breaking through super thick ice.
But mostly magic.
>>29305399
Yes. I'd imagine a sub is built to handle pressure.
>>29305399
>Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure
Here's your sign
>>29305118
>the bullseye carved in the ice
Yea, like >>29305321 says they missed the target...
But more importantly... HOW THE FUCK DID THEY MAKE THE BULLSEYE
Did they use a space laser??
I see no tracks from vehicles or trails from feet...
How the fuck did they do that
>>29305399
submariner here. the conning tower retracts into the sub.
>>29305451
I'm pretty sure those are just natural dendrites.
>>29305460
>submariner here. the conning tower retracts into the sub.
This guy is not a Submariner.
>>29305460
Actual submariner here, don't listen to this faggot, he doesn't know shit.
You know how in Star Trek the Enterprise can detach the saucer part from the drive part and fuck off?
Roddenberry got that from submarines. The conning tower can come off and fly around independently of the main part of the sub.
>>29305486
Looks like swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
You and >>29305451 are dumb, there's no way they'd be able to hide a space laser.
>>29305399
> Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure
(You)
>>29305530
>>29305460
>this disinfo
dont listen to these retards, theyve never actually seen a sub. Real submariner here, the "con" in "conning tower" is short for contact. The tower is basically pure titanium, its made to slice through enemy ship hulls. ice is easy.
>>29305550
No john you are the torpedo
>>29305530
TROOF
i thought it wasnt called a conning tower anymore and called a sail
and it pops up after the ice is already broken
>>29305399
They actually rotate the submarine so the tower is pointing down and then use the bottom hull to break the ice to prevent the tower from snapping under the pressure
>>29305550
Aren't Russian subs titanium? And can't Russian submarine conning towers do what >>29305530 says?
Step up your game America
>>29305592
You are correct. no living bubblehead would call it a conning tower.
Source: am living submariner.
>>29305550
>using titanium for something that has to cut.
You idiot, their made out of High Speed Steel, that is how submarines go so fast. But what do I know, I just make the damn things.
>>29305612
Russians subs dont actaully exist. They just have fake subs to impress the west and occasionally sink a titanium tube full of prisoners to make it look like they had a sub accident
source: im a CIA analyst
Submarine pilot here (Los Angeles class)- we put the submarine into a vertical position, 90 degrees relative to the surface. We then turn the throttles on full blast and blow air into the tanks- we reach over 130 knots per hour by the time we hit the ice and just bust right through about 40 feet in the air (the propellors distance from the surface at max height) and then come to a hard landing on the ice. its a lot of fun. If the ice is really, really thick we'll shoot a couple of torpedoes at it.
>this thread.
>>29305118
trial and error
>>29305612
Russia has a lot more titanium than the United States, to the point where the titanium for the Blackbird program had to be smuggled out of the USSR via CIA front companies.
>>29305550
>>29305530
>>29305508
I am the only actual Sub Mariner in this thread.
We use dolphins to find weak spots in the ice. They also help us fight intelligent squid left over from the Cold War.
>>29305451
I did this too.
Actual Navy Commodore here. Lots of bullshit in this thread. We keep a fleet of Eskimos handy to guide the submarine towards the ice they chopped up.
>>29305399
Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure?
dude
Captain Jean-Luc Picard here, we just use a spare ICBM to burst the ice with the launching charge, then it just falls back into place.
>>29305896
OI, you triple bigger. Don't call them Eskimos.
Their proper nomenclature is "Stupid fucking ice monkeys"
>>29305399
>Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure
>>29305952
If you want to converse with me you're going to have to call me Commodore.
Submarine nuclear reactor operator (and Navy Cross recepient) We re-route the nuclear engine cooling water to pipes that run along the top of the submarine. The steam in those pipes is over 1100 degrees farenheit. The sub driver guides the sub so it is just gently touching the ice. The heat from the pipes immediately melts the ice and the sub is able to get to the surface unscathed.
>>29306034
Can confirm.
We ping the ice with extra loud blasts to help break it up some.
You retards have no idea what you are talking about, stop trying to act like you know how submarines work.
Submarine captain here. We pull up beneath the ice and have our newest crew members go outside in scuba gear and make a hole with picks.
Actual skipper here. Most of the time the ice is thin enough that we can just gently rise up and crack through the ice. But if the ice is really thick, what we do is steer the sub into a 45 degree up plane angle, and then I'll go ahead and stick my cock out though one of the torpedo tubes, and then we ram through the ice with my dick.
>>29306091
Damn, I was a Navy Seal and they used to make us do it, but we used a long rope of explosives. Guess I rode on the wrong subs!
Video and music
https://www.youtubeccom/watch?v=59cwaMeMdJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL4RBZV7Wjc
>>29306120
Oh fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59cwaMeMdJE
>>29306065
Whale murderer
>>29306160
>believing in whales
Top kek. I bet you think spiders are real too.
>>29306091
Commodore again, this. That's where the fleet arm Eskimos come in.
>>29305118
>this thread
>>29305451
>what are helicopters
>>29306225
Former helicopter pilot and now 2 star general reporting in. We dont fly anywhere near the arctic because if you accidently get too close to the north pole your compass starts spinning in circles so that it actually tears itself apart- making it impossible to navigate home. we lost a lot of good men up there before we decided we'll never go back.
>>29306225
astronaut here, the rotor blade would blow the snow away
>>29306225
Physicist here, helicopters can't fly over the ocean, as the land is too far away to get any lift.
mfw this tread
>>29306350
>impossible to navigate home. we lost a lot of good men up there before we decided we'll never go back.
>because of compass malfunctions.
Disinfo detected.
I happen to be a top level UFO physicist, and captain of the Area 51 interspecies basketball team, and I can tell you the real reason we never went back to the North Pole it's because of the alien ufo bases are there.
What are the fins for on the submarine?
>>29306489
Keeping the crew cool.
>>29305399
Autism: The Post
>>29306489
in case you have to sail to Finland. you can communicate with the locals alot better
>>29306489
>What are the fins for on the submarine?
Snowshovels.
Submarine SDEA here.
>>29306022
I had a Commodore once. It's the perfect thing to do in a hotel room.
>>29306489
22 year Silent Service veteran, the fins are just for looks.
>>29306475
>area 51 basketball team
oh shit i didnt expect to run into one of you guys here. I went to a game once, im surprised they let me take this picture
>>29306489
Submarine designer here, those "fins" are actually canards. Some submarines actually have the ability to "fly" above the water via ground-effect (à la ekranoplan), those canards aid the efforts of larger wings (which are obscured under the ice).
>>29306562
>I went to a game once
oh yeah? What color are the walls in the bathrooms at the arena?
>>29305610
That actually brings up an interesting question.
Can you "drive" a submarine upside down? Are there any benefits to doing that like a lowered sonar cross section or maybe lower resistance so you can go faster?
>>29306591
>he thinks area 51 bathrooms have walls
rofl, everyone knows the area 51 higherups are big into voyeurism
>>29306601
Dude, have you SEEN those gl'orp naked? I would totally be a voyeur if it meant seeing that every day.
Not that I would know anything about that...
>>29306594
No.
Plz be bait.
>>29306594
It wouldn't be good for the stuff within the submarine. If you were locked in a can would you want it doing rolls?
>>29306594
Inverting a nuclear reactor actually traps more steam and increases the power output. It increases noise but is useful for fast attacks on carrier groups and for evading helicopter dropped torps/depth charges.
>>29305614
Glorious Soviet Comrade Squid here, bubbleheads are delicious.
>>29305846
As are dolphins.
>>29305118
How do I get the soft, chewy bits out of this can?
>>29305425
RIP Bill :'^(
Sure is Reddit itt
>>29307178
>those footprints of people walking around before the bear showed up
>>29306489
Actually not fucking around, they're dive planes. With those and the stern planes you can make angles and dangles.
>>29306656
Lol I hope this is a troll post, but once you start thinking about it this idea isn't too far fetched.
Nobody listen to any of these faggots:
>actual subUSS John Warner (SSN-785)(SSN-785) here.
I break the ice by emitting a small pulse of my nuclear power.
>>29307412
>>>29306489
>Actually not fucking around, they're dive planes. With those and the stern planes you can make angles and dangles.
>dive planes
Confirmed nub. back to bess with you shippy.
>>29307659
Trolling or being pedantic? Fine, sail planes.
>>29307853
>>>29307659 (You)
>Trolling or being pedantic? Fine, sail planes.
Not trolling. and you're still wrong. it's cool, not everyone is qualified to live the life of amine and ball funk.
You tried, you failed. it's no big deal. it's cute. I don't think less of you. would you like to be in my jam dive top five?
This entire thread proves that submariners are complete fucking lunatics.
I feel like I should be concerned that you batshit crazy fuckers scoot around under the water armed with nuclear weapons but I'm not. Really, I'm not, it somehow seems like this is the way it ought to be considering all the other insane shit that goes on every day.
What's submarine protocol when encountering spoopy dangler fish?
Is that why submarines have no windows?
So dangler fish don't spook people or break in to the submarine?
>>29307934
My best estimate is there are/were two other actual bubbleheads in this thread aside from me.
And mr. sail planes up there isn't one of them.
>>29307934
If you're not willing to push the button and end civilization as we know it, they don't let you on subs
>>29306022
Is your last name "Sixtyfour"?
>>29307908
Alright, I'll bite. What're they called master dolphin?
>>29305399
>Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure
>>29307956
>>29307957
I don't have anything else to say other than pic related.
>>29307970
>>>29307908 (You)
>Alright, I'll bite. What're they called master dolphin?
Those would be called fairwater planes. the have little to nothing to do with the trim angle. and only provide a lifting force slightly ahead of the ships moment.
Some 88's are equipped with retractable bow planes. they have a much greater effect on angle.
stern planes are the after most control surface and they change the trim angle over all.
>>29307949
in submarine, all fish have dangle.
>>29308007
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_plane
Sail planes are considered a subtype of dive planes. You're also forgetting that "sail planes" are a synonym for fairwaters. And also that VIRGINIAs have retractable bow planes. But good job looking like an asshole know it all.
>>29308007
Oh ya, apparently since you know all this information. Can you tell me exactly why Ohio Replacement is going back to "fairwater" planes if they have minimal effect on angles and dangles? Because I'm sure some asshole straight out of Groton knows more about a guy who designs the damn things.
>>29308030
Sweet wiki link.
I can assure you. no one who wears fish has ever called them sail planes.
Let's see your dolphins?
>>29308052
You're right, I'm not in the Navy. I work for EB.
>>29308039
A: I didn't say fairwaters are useless. I said they don't have anything to do with ship's angle.
B: "angles and dangles" is a term used for a specific type of ship testing. It's not the way we operate every day. We don't do angles and dangle more than once or twice a deployment / patrol.
Normally, i.e. 99% of the time we just make "depth changes."
I am an asshole, but I am no where near straight out of groton. I've got more time sitting dive on the midwatch than you've got looking at tranny porn, so get that shit straight.
Fairwater planes provide lifting force. Not rotational force. Bow planes provide both, but mostly lifitng. Stern planes provide almost solely rotational force.
>>29308060
Congrats on being a shit ass yardbird. Continue chipping paint and whining to your union rep about "ah, the fookin' boat can't support!"
Come back when you've got some time on the pond.
>>29308089
Except I'm not labor. I'm in engineering you dense fuck.
>>29308060
bullshit. if you worked there you'd know they changed to "gamestop" years ago.
Congrats on being a dipshit yardbird who can write.
Never forget, the only reason you even have a job is to support me.
Whats it like being the jockstrap for the gayest bunch of guys in the service?
>>29308143
hey man, roll it back some. we give our yardies shit, yeah, but you're just being a dick.
what, did a yardbird fuck your woman while you were deployed or something?
>>29308143
Pretty good, considering I'll know more that went into a boat than you could even begin to comprehend. Youre probably in the front end wasting your life away sitting in a chair listening to sonar half your life just so you can pat yourself on the back and feel like you've done something after retirement.
Don't get me wrong, I by and large like members of the armed forces. You're just an asshat though.
>>29308162
I don't like seeing my tax dollars get wasted on hiring illiterate boston trash to set submarines on fire. The best ones out there are lazy union fucks that do nothing but slow production, bloat production costs and use red tape as an excuse to not do their fucking jobs.
>>29308170
Get mad.
I've spent nearly the last 20 years doing this job. Having some no salt yardie try to tell me he knows more about submarining than I do because he's seen someone draw pictures of it is fucking laughable.
Had you not mislabeled one of the three control surfaces on a boat (you are trying to convince me you design) we wouldn't be here. Your ignorance on a subject you claim to be an expert about is what got me responding to you.
>>29308215
>gets mad and responds
>doesn't understand that I'm not waterfront and not labor
>doesn't realize I'm not from New England
>doesn't acknowledge being called out for being forward end
>gets more mad because in all likelihood he is forward end
Have a good night and stay mad, my friend.
is it possible for a submarine to tip upside down (even if you'd have to do it intentionally) and if so is there any mechanism to right it again?
if not, are they specifically designed to not tip over or is it just a matter of simple physics that ensures it's not likely?
>>29308257
No, they are very very bottom heavy.
I mean, you could physically do it with some huge mega crane, or rolling it off a floating drydock or something. But not under any normal scenario
>>29308248
Look, I come to this east chilean basket crafting forum to relax when I get some rare downtime.
I just don't like seeing it get all jizzed up with misinformation from dudes lying about their position in life.
It's very obvious that I actually am who I say I am, you however haven't done much but posit incorrect information and link to a wiki page.
>>29305399
Not very. This is the reason Submarines tend to lurk near the surface.
The Conning tower is tall because it houses a kinetic penetrator that is launched from within the submarine to blast through the ice. If the ice is super-thick, it may contain a low-yield nuclear warhead to assist in melting the ice. The submarine can then surface through the broken, melting ice.
>>29308079
>I've got more time sitting dive on the midwatch than you've got looking at tranny porn, so get that shit straight.
Oh shit, he IS legit
>>29307318
He's still alive anon.
>>29308292
Ohhhh come the fuck on. What I said is technically correct, you're just being an asshat. From my experience sail planes and fairwater a are used interchangeably. Doesn't make a damn difference. Wikipedia is readily available and I'm not going to compromise the shit I work with because it is, at the very least, UNNPI. Because, unlike you, I'm not fond of being around people that would like to push in my shit (in federal prison). And you've also done nothing of the sort to prove who you are except call them fair waters. "20 years" my ass.
>>29305118
the sonar deflection, also measuring devices based on how much sun comes through, or send out a diver to see if he can shoot through it
>>29308455
>From my experience sail planes and fairwater a are used interchangeably.
I've literally never heard the term sail planes. Ever.
>UNNPI,
I can assure you the nomenclature of control surfaces isn't class.
>unlike you, I'm not fond of being around people that would like to push in my shit
Yes, we are mostly gay. And it doesn't matter because god can't see through hy80.
> And you've also done nothing of the sort to prove who you are except call them fair waters.
You're wrong. And it obvious to anyone here who's ever actually been on a boat that I know what I'm talking about. Normal people don't just quote the vol. 7.
>"20 years" my ass. What proof would you like to see?
>>29308492
I've heard the term sail planes tons of times in relation to them being ON THE SAIL. Is it really that far fetched that they may be called something different. Yes, fairwater are another way to refer them, but excluding anything else that fits your rather narrow view of what they can be called (dive planes are technically correct) is just autism at its finest.
And yes, you caught me, I work mostly in propulsion plant thus the reason for UNNPI. As far as proof, literally fucking anything.
>>29305665
>>29305665
>>29305665
I'm visioning in my little heart of hearts an entire fleet of Los Angeles class subs breaching through the ice like humpback whales, and yes, this thought is giving me an erection right now.
Where can I find the keys to the sea chest?
>>29308534
Sure, and we could also call it the aft screw. But no one does. "B..b.but it's the screw, and it's aft.. so I'm not wrong"
There is this thing, called the doctrine for submarine interior communications, or the Sub IC Manual. It is a handy guide that lists the way that every component of the ship shall be written, abbreviated, and spoken. Sail planes, aren't in it. Fairwaters are. Words have meaning. Submarines do not have sail planes. The may have control surfaces on their sail, but that doesn't make them anything other than fairwaters. Everything has a name, and we only use the right terminology. That's why we get to spend 6 months at a time in a city block made of steel thats designed to submerge, and we all come back. Because we treat the boat with the proper respect. Every inch of it is trying to kill you at any given time. So if I tell some nub to go take action on the spinny steam thingy, we don't get to go home.
>As far as proof, literally fucking anything.
My wife is asleep in the other room, so I hope a picture of the uniform I wore today will suffice.
>>29306489
Submariner's first mate here, they're dual purpose.
The main reason is that we can rotate them around the submarine really quickly and burrow into the earth's crust, but they're also really useful in case we accidentally fill the ballast tanks with too much air and start floating away. They're usually used to guide the subs into a waiting C-130 that gets sent out to rescue us whenever that happens.
This whole fucking thread
For anyone actually interested, I'd highly recommend picking up The Ice Diaries by William R. Anderson. He was captain of the Nautilus on the first under-ice arctic crossing. Hell of a read.
Once you're done with that, read McLaren's Unkown Waters about mapping the Siberian continental shelf whilst giving the finger to the Russian Navy, then Craven's The Silent Service and Sontag & Drew's Blind Man's Bluff.
When you're done, you'll know more about sub ops than anyone on /k/ except for pinned bubbleheads.
>>29308637
I know I'm having fun.
It may seem pedantic. but I enjoy arguing and I'm just sitting here playing some fallout. why not keep it going?
>>29305530
>You know how in Star Trek the Enterprise can detach the saucer part from the drive part and fuck off
Actual star trek fan, I don't remember this happening once.
>>29308661
Have you seen none of the fucking movies?
You're no trekker.
>>29308661
It happens often in stng
how viable is a submarine ekranoplan?
as in mechanically/physically, not in terms of cost effectiveness, combat effectiveness, etc. basically just as a compromise between a submarine and a submarine-plane (because a real plane probably needs bigger wings which further fuck the submarine part)
>>29306393
solid gold
>>29308661
It was a TNG thing. Happened in the first or second episode IIRC and happened in Star Trek Generations.
>>29308716
Can confirm. I think it was for in case the engines reactor was going to kaboom. That way the crew could get away.
Boo. I think my friend went to bed. anyone else want to argue about sub life?
Why did they make a yellow submarine?
Was it so people looking at it in the sea would confuse it with the sun?
>>29305588
NATO designated "Mike" class Soviet sub. The Komsomolets. The escape capsule worked, but read it was a horrifying ordeal.
>>29306350
RCMP "V" Division Counter-Intel Officer here: you're men didn't actually die. They defected to Canada, you hoser. We promised them socialized medicine and all the maple syrup they can eat in return for information. G'day gentlemen.
>>29306489
They control the diving angle. When they fail the shit hits the fan! Once while serving on a (NATO classification) Golf II boat out of Rybachiy, we lost depth control. We slid all the way down and hit bottom at around 16,000 ft. With air low and hopes fading a couple of us volunteered to swim out one of the undamaged torpedo tubes and signal for help. 3 of us went out but only 2 of us made it to the surface after a minor scuffle with a giant squid, but that's a story for another time. I do remember being pissed off that I left my wallet on my bunk. Dammit..
Long story short: surfaced, waved at a passing vessel called Glomar Challenger who reached down and plucked our sub off the bottom. We lived to see another day but best of all, I got my wallet back!
How much of a threat feral giant squids possess to the subs?
>>29305743
So much intox in this thread, I don't know if serious or jking
>>29305530
>>29309144
It's true, USA used 3rd world countries and all kind of bogus companies to obtain titanium ore from USSR. SR71 is 92% titanium.
>>29309052
>feral
That is clearly a trained giant squid in your image.
>>29309489
>>>/tinfoil/
Allium here,
We made the thing that you call a bullseye with a highly technical weapon that is powered by toasted bread.
Though that symbol is actually the word for dragon dildo, we thought the sub was one.
>>29305399
>Are submarines built fairly strong against pressure
You're all dumb
https://youtu.be/6uwE9MCfzMI
>>29310988
https://youtu.be/8aUqr7-Cgt8
>>29308661
>Actual star trek fan
>hasn't seen saucer separate
Would you like to reconsider your claim?
>>29306541
Jesus christ I played that game as a child
>>29307949
Dangler fish here. The submarine is actually the true monster of the deep what with its warheads and pollutants.
Also the fore lights that show us all how spoopy and ugly we actually are.
>>29311417
There aren't any headlights.
Fun fact, submarine propellers spin in the opposite direction if you go south of the equator.
>>29311617
shellback say fuck you up
Royal Navy nuke boat XO here
We vent boiling water from the integrated tea kettle system until the ice above us melts. This maneuver is called the "Royal Submersiblingham Freezey-Floatey Boat Burster" and was pioneered by HMS Conquerr during the Falklands War, when it scored the first nuclear submarine land combat victory by ambushing a brigade of Argentine paratroopers in the Antarctic Territory.
badass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoqf9ViwDTY
>>29309180
Russia country best country
>>29312168
>>29312177
submarine pron?
