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>the Howa 64 cost $1,900 to make back in 1985
>the Howa 89 costs more than $3,000
>Sumimoto Type 62's cost $20,000 to make back in 1985 while an FN MAG went for $4,000
>Minibea PM9's cost $9,000 initially
Wait, what the fuck. Why?
folding a piston 10000 times gets spendy
>>29298830
Cool rifle. Where do I buy one in the US?
>>29298848
I've only ever seen Howas at Big 5.
>>29298840
Fucking kek
>>29298848
>Where do I buy one in the US?
You don't
Why don't Jap guns get imported? I want a fucking Nambu model 60 police revolver fuck damn it.
>>29298870
Doushio :,^(
>>29298874
Extremely strict import laws and their gun laws in general. They flip the fuck out if a single spent casing isn't accounted for.
>>29298888
How many CCW holders in Japan?
>>29298878
>buy ar180b
>somehow dress it up like a type 89
>then pretend its your very own expensive anime raifu
>>29298830
ignoring inflation, you do realize that Howa, Minibea, Hakko, and other defense contractors in Japan build things like washer/dryers and cars too, right? Weapons are short production runs and are pricey to offset costs of production without viable long term contracts guaranteeing income to protect investment in cost reducing systems like tooling, automation, or R&D.
>>29298896
Handguns are 100% illegal in Japan. Yakuza who are the majority of illegal weapon users don't even like using or having guns on them.
>>29298874
>Nambu model 60 police revolver
Holy fuck that would go perfect with my 240Z.
Hell, I wonder if I could somehow import a parts kit for one, and then have a frame custom made/rewelded from demilled frames...
>>29298896
None. It isn't constitutionally legal, even for law enforcement or the military to be regularly armed outside of special circumstances.
>>29298907
Actually there are apparently 77 handguns owned by civilians in Japan.
Idk how often this is updated though.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/japan
>>29298931
Yeah, Olympic sporting pistols and retired cop's revolvers. That's it.
>>29298840
lmao
>>29298931
legally owned, the yakuza has a few more than that
>tfw no type 89
i would suck a dozen dicks just to touch a type 64
>>29298830
Because of the poor quality ore, they had to stamp the steel over 1000 times.
>>29298830
I was wondering where the influence on MGSVs first assault rifle cane from!
Rob, go to bed. It's getting late.
>>29300006
From the fact that assault rifle manufacturers are not really keen on people playing mix-and-match with their guns
>>29298896
There's an EXTREMELY difficult process that requires Olympic level target shooting skills, knowing important politicians and having one of the few (100?) permits open up when someone dies or it expires.
So you can have a pistol, but using a destructo-disk is just easier.
Airsoft guns were developed in Japan in the 80's because the gun laws and japs still wanted to fingerfuck raifus.
>>29300035
I want /v/ to leave
>>29299979
Where can JSDF camo be found in regular person sizes, instead of asian manlet sizes?
>>29298830
japanese have a different standard of wages and living costs than burgers, stop the presses
>>29298830
The Japs have little in the way of an established firearm manufacturing industry, so each gun they make has a high per-unit cost.
Each rifle they sell is also paying for the factory, labor and tooling to make that gun. When you make next to no guns, it gets expensive
>>29298830
Limited production runs, very high manufacturing standards, few manufacturers available and they all have heavy influence on the government and can extract more money from contracts.
Because manufacturing in japan costs a lot of money.
You dont have a lot of land for big warehouses to hold tools/materials so its expensive to work anything.
Youre an island so you have to ship in everything so its expensive to have any raw materials.
You got bombed and all of your military capabilities stolen so you dont have historic rifle manufacturing capabilities. So you have to retool everything
You have few people trained in machining because of above. So its expensive to hire people.
>>29298888
>>29298874
Japanese constitution did not allow export of arms until their current PM (Abe) changed it. There is a chance for very expensive rifles/handguns sent over from japan if anyone would buy them.
>>29301681
Wat. There is a ton of manufacturing in Japan, including heavy industry. Hell, I would bet that half the machine tools are from Japan (Yamazaki MAZAK, Mori Seiki, Mitsui Seiki, Okuma, FANUC, etc and that's just off the top of my head). Lots of machining going on in Japan. Hell. Ever heard of Mitutoyo? Guess where they're from? Machining and Japan are like peanut butter and jelly.
>>29301681
I wasn't aware that the changes to Article 9 allowed for 'military' arms exports. If so, I don't suspect it would take Howa long to realize there's a market for more than just boltguns in the US.
>>29300016
Wow you totally guessed my real name!
>>29301788
>my mitutoyo scale says 'manufactured in england'.
not that anything is made in england anymore.
>>29298830
Small production runs, no competition, government contracts ahoy
>>29299155
Most of them chink shit-tier toks
>there are plenty of japanese chimping over guns in a shooting range near me
>>29300211
You are wrong on every count unless you have a source that I'm unaware of
>>29298908
do a grip reduction and have a new cylinder release on model 10. that would be a lot easier
>>29299979
this desu
>dat sexy wood and steel reduced load 7.62 goodness
>>29300035
>fact
yeah im sure they fucking hate all the free advertisement over the last 20 years and the idea that vidya is an actual gateway to interest in firearms. until i hear the dev team give a solid reason im not calling speculation fact.
>>29298874
>>29298888
>>29298908
>>29301681
You can buy them in the US, check gunbroker for "minebea" and "revolver"
>>29303323
You sure about that anon? I've never heard about any modern Japanese firearms besides Howa M1500s and Miroku sporting shotguns being imported.
>>29303217
>free advertisement
Companies pay money to have guns licensed for video games
They have no real arms manufacturing infrastructure. Picture something like a pressure washer factory, retrofitted into an arms production facility, by people who don't have any experience with such an endeavor, and proceed to trickle out small amounts of your special snowflake rifle over the course of a few decades. That's why it's so expensive. These guns have more in common with boutique sporting arms (in terms of manufacture, I'm not commenting on quality) than other military rifles. Their Sig P226 clone has a similarly ridiculous price.
TL;DR It's a combination of lack of infrastructure, lack of real know-how by those in charge, and small batch manufacturing techniques.
Early autoloaders made in Europe had similarly high costs, which is part of the reason they didn't become standard until after WWII, despite adequate examples existing as early as the late 1890's.
Japanese gun laws are cringeworthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKYbxE4UsBY
>>29299979
If you don't mind facsimiles there's apparently Type 64 airshits out there.
>>29298830
No economies of scale
>>29304474
Sorry, I was mistaken. I was thinking of the miroku revolver that lost in trials to the new nambu. The miroku can be obtained for reasonable prices. Luckily enough for you though, I've heard that some PDs in Japan have adopted the S&W M37, another gun that you can easily, and somewhat cheaply get.
Link to miroku: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=548177913
Pic related, miroku
>>29298830
To be fair they only needed a few hundred of them and the risk of those ever getting lost or destroyed in battle is equivalent to the odds that Japan will stop hiding behind America's skirt every time the rest of Asia sneezes.
>>29306586
>japan is the 7th largest military spender in the world
>3nd largest in Asia, 4th if you include Russia
>Abe's government just pushed through reforms effectively neutralizing Article 9 of the Japanese constitution
>hiding behind America's skirt
>>29300898
>look how far theyve come
>>29307458
>tfw you don't have a railgun
>>29307431
>7th largest military spender in the world
>Hasn't fought in a single war since WW2
It's like niggers buying spinning rims for their junker cars
I am 1/2 japanese and am afraid to enter real nato. What rifu should I pick - I live in CA and really wanted a Howa and I thought things would pick up. I am not op...
>maybe m1a
>>29307980
Defense is only 1% of their GDP.
>>29298830
I juzt got a howa 1500 barreled action for $415 from brownells
>>29307458
>>Still has better TD than every dindu
>>29299979
what patch is that?
>>29298931
Why is the Colt Python so popular in Japan?
>>29301618
we dont cater to fat fucking 5'11's who think their "tall"
>>29308205
Where you find that part of it senpai?
What is it with the Japanese and using 5-shot .38 snubbies as duty guns?
>>29298830
they make fancy ass mechs but cant make a decent looking gun...
>>29308468
because violent crime is really fucking rare
>inb4 someone starts talking about cops cooking numbers and yakuza
even then, its still one of the safest countries in the world.
>>29308479
But a standard 9mm like everybody else uses (ie. Glock) would be cheaper and more effective if it is ever needed. I mean these guns are not cheap
>>29308509
I see a lot of there cop revolvers are actually 9mm moon clips and something else called 38(9mm), maybe some rimmed form of a 9mm? Also something 8mm.
>>29298896
>How many CCW holders in Japan?
>>29301632
Yeah, average wages are 28,000 USD a year while forced overtime isn't paid for.
nip wages a shit.
>>29308571
Hell, animators alone in Japan averagely make 8900 dollars a year. A fucking YEAR. And that's not just some 9-5, some work 17-18 hours a day. I hear some bigger studios pay that much in a month over there.
>>29308613
Some studios are going turbo jew and outsourcing animators to Korea, where work regulations are even worse.
living in eastern asia a shit.
>>29308205
I don't know what your source is on that, but if you get to only own one handgun and the permits and taxes are already worth many times what a Python costs, you might as well get a Python if you like it.
>>29308409
I'm talking more along the 6'3" spooky skeleton spectrum.
>>29308034
I'm 1/2 nip too and I handled 7.62x54r out of a fucking m44 just fine.
don't be a pucci niqqa
>>29307458
Airshitter here, that rifle is at least $1000 new and not counting modifications.
Why not get a Howa AR-180?
>>29307458
2 nukes weren't enough
>>29309509
sO original Meme! XD
Japanese thread?
Can't wait for their new stealth jet.
Pic unrelated.
>>29309972
Do they not have the stealth paint ?
The planes shape looked okayish but i noticed they didn't have any on their "prototype/test bed"
Does only America and Russia have the paint technology?
>>29310016
russia does not have secret paint
>>29310016
It's a prototype, that's why no paint. Possibly producing their own engine, or figuring out their own shape.
>>29309621
The fuck is this?
>>29301788
>FANUC
I fucking love FANUC controllers. Ease of use is 10/10.
>>29304857
Check out this beauty. 1896!
>>29310704
Parody of the "JDM" car culture in America.
Aka Hispanics lusting over 94 EG Civic hatchbacks.
>>29310791
that barrel is sexy as fuck
holy shit this thread still isn't dead?
>>29299979
tmc makes a type 2 pattern with and without the knee pads
>>29304913
already checked that out. discontinued and over 400 dollars for a toy
>>29308194
i'm assuming you mean the one with the roses? it's the garrison corp from AOT
>>29317275
>holy shit this thread still isn't dead?
opee here, thought the same thing
>>29318391
looks like a gun-shaped stick kid play cops and robbers with.
>>29318413
is the PM9 the most aesthetic Uzi clone ever?
>>29298830
Fixed cost, Japanese don't export their military firearms like the Belgians, so all the developmental cost have to be spread amongst fewer rifles.
Spend a million dollars to develope a rifle, that uses 100$ in material
Sell 1 million rifles, cost of rifle is 101 $
Spend a million dollars to develope a rifle
that uses 100$ in material
Sell 1 rifle, cost of rifle is 1,000,0100$
>>29318429
i think its a tie with the swedes
So if the USA pulled all their military support from Japan and China decided it was finally payback time, how long could Japan last against China in an all out war?
>>29298900
Nodak lower, ace folding stock, and SI J Comp.
Had this in the back of my mind for months. Then pissed away the money cause that's how she fuckin goes.
>>29309504
Because STANAG. Damn you Arthur.
>>29318638
Long enough to require nukes, which pretty much requires US involvement.
>>29318638
>>29319447
Countries like NK and Pakistan can build nuke, for a nation like Japan it would take like 2 month to build up a nuclear arsenal.
>>29301681
There are plenty of sport shotguns made in japan and exported. Idk when exports began though.
>>29301788
MAZAK (the Mitsubishi controllers really) the continual bane of my existence. They make a nice machine tool but fickif every one of those machines and controls isn't different for no reason.
>tfw your company has more mazaks than the mazak dealer.
>>29298896
Approximately -6. Yeah. Negative 6.
The most common guns in Japan are double barrel shotguns, and these are almost exclusively for farmers to kill foxes. You have to go through a crap ton of paperwork and red tape that I can't be bothered to write out. This video goes over it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFb5Qgrn9ns
