>The Techno Arms MAG-7: When nothing else is conceivably anywhere at hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7k8WHS2Go
He's awfully critical of a gun he isn't even using the right ammo for.
>>29298422
That is seriously the coolest shotgun ever if it weren't for the drawbacks Ian outlines in the video. If it were designed for 2 3/4 and didn't have that retardedly long-stroke slide, it would be a pretty good contender. Unfortunately it wasn't, so a Mossy 500 will work until something better comes along.
What ian did in the video was like taking one of those civilian legal MAC 10 rifles cobray made, loading it with .45 GAP, and then bitching about it becuase you have a fuckhuge, ungainly long arm that doesn't feed or cycle properly.
And then rather than lament the lack of proper ammo, and thr fact that the gun had to be bubba'd to be civilian legal in the USA, he slams the entire concept
>All these butthurt CSGO fags
>>29298442
if it were designed for 2 3/4 you wouldnt be able to hold it
>>29298422
A good idea might be mags that take the shorter Aguila shells, but still wide enough to fit.
>>29298980
Try Safferboos
Could you trim a 2 3/4 shell down to the correct length and handload them easliy?
>>29299058
Yes, people make something simmilar to 2" competition shells for these all the time.
If you SBS it on a form1 and put a folding stock on it it's a great gun for someone in, say, a patrol xar in S. Africa.
>>29298980
It irritates me that that mag7 has the same damage as a standard 12g sawnoff
>>29298438
could be because the ammo is the least of that guns problems
>>29298422
>Ian producing dumbshit again
>people still on his nuts
You kids are pathetic.
Despite all of its faults, you've gotta admit...
It does look sick as hell.
>>29299480
Could be that the sawn off really isn't a very good weapon in real life?
>lower velocity than a full length shotgun
>bigger spread
>less lethal
>gun not as designed.
>gun not used with correct ammo.
>blames gun for his handling techniques.
I would like it reviewed as designed, with proper ammunition, and by someone who is fine without autistic trigger discipline.
>>29299601
The MAG-7 in CS is the compact version with the short barrel.
>>29298422
>Ian goes full retard
He is doing this more and more lately.
>>29298422
Ian once again proving he should stick to identifying firearms.
>>29299529
>tries to load 30-06 in a 22
>it explodes
>it's the gun's fault!1!1!!!1!!1!
>>29299619
Hello Techno Arms schill!
Would it be feasible to shorten the length of regular 12 ga. to 70mm? Didn't know why he didn't get himself or someone else to do that first.
>ITT: people defending something poorly designed, unpopular, and in some mediocre game.
>>29299768
pretty much. The MAG-7 is a too-large weapon in a too-short package, that, even with the correct ammo would be difficult and uncomfortable to shoot with the way everything is sort of... just cramped onto the gun. The most damning is the slide coming back to smack the trigger finger, which is avoidable, provided you take the time to train enough with a boutique shotgun that shoots shells you have to either make yourself or shells that aren't the proper length for the gun. I probably speak for many when I say I have much better uses for that time, like masturbating to anime or breathing air.
Ian's review of this thing is largely correct: the correct ammo just isn't made for it and its awkward to shoot. This is not a weapon worth defending.
I liked it in video games, but remember in vidya games you have ample supplies of the correct ammo, and you're not actually the one shooting the damn thing.
there have been better short shotguns made since this thing, and it's really only a niche piece, an interesting footnote in gun history.
>>29298442
Its kind of interesting in other ways, the feed and cycling mechanism is quite a good design. But the rest of the gun is pretty much a bit like trying to fit square pegs in round holes with the sketchy magazine in the grip and the proprietary shells.
Don't say this often about many guns, but if it was actually a bullpup configuration with full sized 12G, it'd be relatively decent.
Lol at all the people trying to defend this POS gun.
>>29299878
This, it's a gimmick gun with nothing else going for it other than the curiosity factor.
>>29298965
He makes full mention of how the shells aren't quite correct and that misfeeds are to be expected, don't be a faggot.
>>29299601
The increased spread with sawn off shotguns is vastly exaggerated by movies and videogames, the conception probably comes from the use of birdshot, the lack of a choke, and with old shotguns having choked barrels, and that choking being removed when hacked off.
A sawed off double barrel with proper chokes fitted should probably produce a decently tight pattern.
The loss/gain in velocity isn't super big either.
>>29298422
>all the people in this thread acting like size is only a problem due to the longer barrel and stock that the gun was fitted with to be US legal
The MAG-7 is 21 and 2/3" long. For comparison an 18.5" barrel PGO shotgun with a regular pistol grip and not one of those Raptor grips is 27". That same PGO shotgun shortened to the same OAL as the MAG-7 would have a ~13" barrel and would be able to hold 4-5 regular shells in the magazine or 5-6 of the MAG-7's short shells. The better choice is obvious.
>>29300696
Additionally, the regular PGO shotgun could be modified to accept a magazine like >>29300562 and then could be shortened slightly further until the barrel is the same length as the one on the MAG-7 (about 1/2" further).
>>29299480
most of a shotgun shell is the wad/buffer and shotguns arent all that velocity dependent . shit like mini shells are just more...erratic
>>29299720
not even trying today huh
>>29300805
Fuck off you cancerous faggot
>>29298438
Reminds me of his M1 Carbine video.
>my carbine made in the 70's from cast parts is shit
>therefore all M1 Carbines were shit
I still don't know what /k/ sees in this naziboo.
>>29301807
Which one are you talking about?
>>29301827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N80gTgqWC8
>>29301781
now im completely convinced youve just been dragging your ass across the keyboard
>>29301807
>naziboo
What in Sam fucking hell are you talking about you sperg?
>>29301861
Keep up the memes.
>>29301908
mostly referring to his collection of stahlhelms he wears when shooting German weapons
>>29301919
You know he has Tommy and Russian gear as well, and he claims American gear is the best made? (Especially WWII era)
>>29301840
Isn't Inland one of the more shitty M1 Carbine makes?
>>29301908
He has some Nazi hats and a crate with German writing on it, therefore he is a Nazi-loving Eichmann-sympathizing shoah-advocate. Cant you see the signs? Break the conditioning, man.
>>29301934
That's Auto Ordnance you're thinking about.
>>29301934
It's not normal to have a new stahlhelm for each German rifle you shoot.
>>29301934
The new ones are, because they're a new company. It's a Springfield Armory type situation
The Inlands made during the war were fine.
>>29300270
If its a sawn off double barreled with chokes its not a sawn off anon, its a short barrel shotgun.
>>29301919
yes clearly a freedom loving Ian is a nazi... Just makes sense really
Or should i say...
>frankly
>>29302115
>cut down barrel of shotgun with saw
>bore and tap the barrel to take the same interchangeable chokes that it would take at the original length
>second step somehow makes it not a sawed off shotgun even though the barrel was literally cut down with a saw
>use the wrong ammo
> be surprised it doesn't work right
>ANYONE WHO CALLS OUT MY PERSONAL JESUS IAN IS A SHIIILLLLLL
Spring break!
>>29302115
Who the fuck is talking about the legal definition you fucking sperg?
Don't forget he is also a Ouiaboo.
>>29302211
>be surprised it doesn't work right
He's not, though.
He says that it will be experiencing issues because the ammo isn't correct.
Do you watch the video or are you just a memespouting cuck? Don't answer that question by the way.
>>29302211
He actually said it was smooth shooting. You seem to focus on the gun not feeding which is understandable instead of how the gun teaches you to use bad trigger safety, the magazine capacity, the weight, and the special snowflake ammo nobody has. He never really uses the fact it doesn't feed ammo it's not designed for against it
Now go play Hitscan GO
>>29300795
I absolutely think a Dominion Arms Grizzly could be a much better weapon than a Mag-7, with just a bit of polish.
>>29302255
>Ian nuthugger calling anyone else a memespouter
Oh that's s good one.
>people actually getting buttblasted over criticism of a gun because it was in Bunny Hop Arcade Twitch Simulator
Weekend has officially started, I see.
>>29298965
>>29299537
>>29299619
>>29299720
>>29302211
>HURR WRONG AMMO
>>29302303
>guys I put .22lr in my gun chambered for .22 magnum and it keeps malfunctioning! This gun sucks!
This is how retarded you sound, but most of the Ian fanboy crowd doesn't own firearms so it's not surprising they don't see the issue.
>>29302335
Except that in this case the gun uses ammo that is not obtainable, and even with it is still a bad gun
I'd honestly never heard of the MAG-7 until watching the video. I thought it was an SMG or, not a shotgun.
The idea itself seems somewhat useful when in the original configuration, but Ian's analysis and thoughts were on the ones brought to the US that had to be modified. And I can agree with him, as you will find them here- they are not very useful.
It would have been cool to see it with the proper ammo though.
I don't understand it, why would you make it pump action?
Make it semi automatic and it would be like a shotgun submachinegun and it would be cool as fuck
>>29300696
In addition to this, the MAG-7 weighs 8.8 lbs in its original configuration. For comparison a Mossberg 590A1 with a 20" barrel weighs 7.25 lbs and an 18.5" PGO version weighs 5.75 lbs. There's no excuse for the MAG-7 weighing that much.
>>29302572
1) the automatic action has to fit
2) the thing has a magazine capacity of 5
3) full auto fire is not a useful feature for a shotgun
>>29302671
Sure there is.
South African Engineering!
>>29301807
He did it with an OG Garand and it failed in exactly the same fucking places, you retard. the exposed op rod is a detriment for operation in dirty conditions but he goes on to say that t for the time it was perfectly fine once you trian out problems and frankly amazing they managed to churn out as many as they did with the quality there was.
The M14 was shit and antiqued becasue of the gas system it worked on and if you cant accept this you are retarded.
>>29302241
why dont you grow the fuck up
>>29302172
>being this wastefull
>frankly
I'm honestly disappointed by the MAG-7. I had higher hopes. Those design decisions are gross.
>>29298422
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCHFje2OLZc
>>29307653
I like the stock design, that is about it.
>>29302461
Even in the original configuration, it was a big brick of a gun.
>>29307863
Even then, it's very obviously an afterthought and seems just sortof tacked onto the gun.
How much would you guys pay for a mag-fed shotgun that was designed for the aguila mini shells?
I don't know much so bear with me here. When I was watching this video yesterday, I couldn't help but wonder if you could cut shells to the length you needed. I remember watching an IV8888 video where Barry was doing this and it seemed to work. Could it work with this gun?
>>29307913
To be fair Ian explains the ammo is much more available in Europe.
I'm honestly in love with the profile of the stock, the curves and thin wrist are super attractive to me even though i know it would be super fragile.
>made in South Africa
>expecting it to be good
Why?
>>29298422
really they dont use regular 12 gauge?
sucks, I was wondering why they didn't reintroduced this or upgrade it.
>>29307945
Yes, you can cut the crimp off, cut down or substitute a shorter shotcup/wad, and recrimp. It's a hell of a lot of work for what you're getting out of it though. I personally do it for a teeny bit of extra capacity for 3 gun.
Also, cut shells (aka ghetto slugs) as done on IV8888 are a totally different thing and unrelated to what's going on here.
>>29307984
>really they dont use regular 12 gauge?
Nigga because the grip would be xbox huge. Do you want to grip a 3" shotgun shell,magazine and a pistol grip?
>>29307913
Personally?
"Pistol"? $350-600
PDW size: $500-700
Carbine size: $600-800
And mags aren't going to be cheap unless they make a conversion kit for saiga mags.
Though really if someone had the time and resources they could modify a saiga and the mags to use the mini shells
>>29308038
What if the magazine is pistol grip too?
>>29308236
>>29304211
>The M14 was shit and antiqued becasue of the gas system it worked on
You mean that long stroke gas systems are antiquated or that weird action bar shit it did?
>>29298438
>>29298965
>>29299537
>>29299619
>>29299625
>>29299720
>>29301781
>>29301807
>>29301916
>>29301919
>>29301949
>>29302280
>>29302335
>waaahh i dont like ian!!!!
It's a terrible shotgun, if you have big hands it's okay but it's got a lot of sharp edges, it's heavy, and that fucking pump really does hurt your finger a lot if you take your finger off the trigger habitually. (good habit to have by the way, especially with other pump guns that have light triggers) For something that's supposedly concealable I don't see how it's good for that since it's so goddamn big and annoying. Ian is right though, it is a breeze to shoot, but that doesn't even begin to make up for it's other flaws. Ian didn't mention this in the video but in colder climates the pump sometimes sticks, or it did for me, and the five-round magazine is annoying as fuck to change in cold weather too.
About the big hands thing, anyone who can comfortably put their hands around the grip is also aware that they're bigger than most of the population. While it's nice to have things that work best in our barbarian paws I don't think anyone with some common sense can safely say, "yes, this is a gun anyone can use."
You guys need to just fucking deal with the fact that it's a shitty gun. I don't care how cool it is in some video game, the gun sucks and it's just an interesting novelty as far as I'm concerned.
>>29308310
The op-rod thing, as well as the open top action.
It's more or less like trying to extend the usage of the Garand past it's relevancy (really good rifle, but past WW2/Korea, it's terribly dated).
Yes, it's lighter, select-fire, and has the convenience of detachable box magazines, but by the time this was done, much better battle rifles and assault rifles could be made, for much cheaper, the AR-10 and AR-15 comes to mind.
>>29308347
All of this.
It's BARELY better than a Streetsweeper in ideal conditions.
>Striker/Streetsweeper
>MAG-7
You guys wanna see a neat shotgun from South Africa, check out the NeoStead, it featured dual magazine tubes before it was cool, 6+6+1 capacity.
>>29308823
I learnt from this thread the gun was featured in some version of CS.
Which I presume is why they defend it so ardently. I thought Ian was fairly reasonable in his presentation of the gun.
On the whole ammo avaliablility issue it isnt as bad as you might think. You can make your own shorter shotshells by reloading shells and trimming them down to suit. Not overly practical for everyone but still an option.
>>29309764
>Which I presume is why they defend it so ardently.
Very much /v/ermin then.
I mean, I like the Desert Eagle, both in Counter-Strike and IRL, but I would NEVER use one as in Counter-Strike
>>29309702
this
the neostead is a good gun
>>29309764
the Mag 7 is good in CSGO
>>29309818
The Five Seven and Desert Eagle is good in Counter Strike, that doesn't mean they don't have distinct drawbacks in real life.
>>29309870
>Tec-9 is good in counter strike
>>29304211
What? The M14 uses the same short stroke gas piston design that the scar 17 uses.
>>29308823
The AR-10 that was tested by the military against the M14 wasn't the same quality as the modern AR-15 design. IIRC they had some reliability issues and one of them blew up during testing.
I do agree that the whole op-rod and open top action are pretty major design flaws though. designing a gun with the gas system under the barrel seems like a bad idea altogether.
>>29311147
Well yes, but the oprod was still retarded.
And besides, direct impingement aka. internal piston is the way of the future anyway :^)
>>29311238
They used a different barrel than the one specified by Eugene Stoner. That's what blew up.
>>29311238
>"barrel failure"
Actually it looks like it was an ammunition failure, of the round before the one that blew it up.
>>29311300
can a round fire and cycle the action without the bullet leaving the barrel or would the operator have had to manually cycle the bolt?
>>29311326
The gas port is almost by the muzzle, so it would not be able to unlock unless it got stuck after that point, which is highly unlikely. Most squibs never make it beyond a couple inches into the barrel.
>>29308347
Will you fucking fuck off already you Ian shill.
He uses a shitty export model of a gun,uses the wrong ammo, and it doesn't work, then acts like he's surprised.
This is coming from a guy who's subscribed to both his channels.
>>29312116
>He uses a shitty export model of a gun
Can I get a sauce on the export model being of lesser quality than the domestic model?
>>29312116
I posted a grand total of one time here, I provided my own experiences that parallel Ian's but with some different stuff. (I live in a cold climate, in the winter this piece of shit shotgun locks up tighter than a virgin butterfly's asshole)
Drop the "Ian shill" bullshit, it's not winning you any favors because every actual gun owner can see through your squealing. You're the guy screaming about somebody insulting your precious video game gun, why don't you go out and buy one if you love it so much?
You do have a job, don't you?
>>29312116
Anyone with a background in engineering will immediately tell you that the thing is a fucking nightmare the second they look inside.
Concept is good. Execution is poor.
Doesn't mean I'll stop owning niggas with it in CS:GO, though. Swag-7 2 stronk.
>>29312116
>then acts like he's surprised.
Direct quote from the video:
"Some people say this ammo works, some people say it doesn't, I don't know so we'll see."
And NONE of his complaints are related to the failures to feed, so again, you're just a total shitposter.
>>29298422
I own one of these.
It's nice.
>>29311147
The M14 is long-stroke though.
>>29311238
>The AR-10 that was tested by the military against the M14 wasn't the same quality as the modern AR-15 design.
True, but the AR-10 while under Armalite became a pretty solid rifle, eventually.
>IIRC they had some reliability issues and one of them blew up during testing.
One of them had inexplicable been fitted with a barrel made out of aluminum. I figure it must have been accidentally left on from a test batch or something.
Worth noting is also that the Army Ordnance Board sabotaged the shit out of AR-15 testing to keep the M14, so I wouldn't be too surprised if there was foul play involved with the AR-10 as well.
It should be noted that the AR-15 would eventually succeed DESPITE the sabotage, so that speaks miles for how sound the design actually is.
>I do agree that the whole op-rod and open top action are pretty major design flaws though.
Yeah but it looks cool as hell, and it sounds awesome when you rack the bolt.
>designing a gun with the gas system under the barrel seems like a bad idea altogether.
Oh but not at all, friendo, the PKM and it's derivatives has the gas system under the barrel, and it works great.
It's basically an AKM turned upside down, chambered for 7.62x54mmR and feeding from a non-disintegrating belt.
>>29312116
Wow the shitposting in this thread is almost as bad as in the youtube comments on the video
>>29312336
Does it feel fuckhueg? Does the stock fold?
>>29311247
DI (or, "gas expansion", if sperganon is around), I think is great, but I'm very fond of short-stroke gas-piston as well, it just fucking works so well (well, not on the AR-15).
>>29312116
>shitty export model of a gun
lel, butthurt CS fanboys and their special pleading
The MAG-7 export model only features a long barrel and a fixed stock, otherwise they're identical. Hell, the basic model doesn't even feature a stock at all, so it's better in one sense.
And they're REALLY not very good quality guns.
For practical purposes, I would much rather have an Ithaca 37 Stakeout or shortened down Remington 'Police folder', similar capacity but less bulk and superior reliability.
>then acts like he's surprised
But he doesn't. He makes a very clear note of how using the Aquila shells is a sketchy proposition.
He isn't at all talking about the feeding problems when he says it's terrible.
>>29312535
>Oh but not at all, friendo, the PKM and it's derivatives has the gas system under the barrel, and it works great
Well I should have said "designing a gun with a box magazine under the barrel and the gas tube under the barrel simultaneously seems like a bad idea"
the pkm is pretty neat though.
>>29312617
Aren't piston guns harder to make accurate because of harmonics or is that all AR-15 just propaganda?
>>29312604
Its bredy big for what it is (Uzi in mini-12ga)
Stock doesnt fold cuz its my exportimport version
>>29312646
>"designing a gun with a box magazine under the barrel and the gas tube under the barrel simultaneously seems like a bad idea"
John Browning says hi.
>>29312664
I couldn't honestly tell you, but the "DI" system of the AR-15 lends good potential for accuracy, there's not a whole lot of mass moving when cycling, compared to a big-ass piston on a long-stroke gun.
Short-stroke pistons are pretty modest in size, but an AR-15 setup is even more compact.
>>29312197
>>29312617
>>29312588
>Ian shills only argument is still "it was in a video game therefore it's shit
Every YouTube channel has the point where it goes to shit. I'm sad to say forgotten weapons has reached that point.
>>29312142
The fact that they bolted a stock and retard barrel on a gun meant to be used as a sidearm means that the concept has been ruined.
>>29312236
Sure, but you'll note that 90% of the comments here are the same as the shills I responded to first.
>>29312273
Except they are you fuck.
>>29313477
>Every YouTube channel has the point where it goes to shit. I'm sad to say forgotten weapons has reached that point.
>still crying about "Ian shills"
Because he reviewed a truly terrible gun? Anon I owned one of these and sold it almost immediately after I shot it because it's completely worthless. I'm not an "Ian shill" for not liking the piece of shit, that's called having an informed opinion. Let me say this again because you have trouble reading: I actually owned one, it was terrible, not even worth converting to AOW or SBR because it is a terrible, terrible piece of junk.
>The fact that they bolted a stock and retard barrel on a gun meant to be used as a sidearm means that the concept has been ruined.
When you take a pistol carbine and shoulder it, it still works. It's not as good of a pistol or a rifle carbine but it still does a job at putting rounds down range and they're usually cheap enough and light enough to do it pretty damn well. This? It's massive, it's heavy as fuck, the only improvements given to it are a stock because it's basically an otherwise junk gun.
It's the equivalent of having a belt-fed gun with a bolt action. It's a funny novelty, beyond that it's a shit gun.
>>29313590
SBS* My bad
>>29313477
>The fact that they bolted a stock and retard barrel on a gun meant to be used as a sidearm means that the concept has been ruined
So its mechanically identical in terms of operation and production quality? And everything you said is a vacuous shitpost because you're upset that people aren't as mad about the mini-shell thing as you feel they should be? Good to know.
>Ian shills
Thats right anon, all the people who disagree with you are shills.
>>29313590
Sorry comerade, the only way I could ever trust your words is if you prove that A. You used the right ammo and B. Aren't one of the v-spam posters.
>>29313617
As I said I already sold it, but if you're still, STILL hung up on the fucking ammo then frankly you're a fucking retard.
Neither Ian nor my own criticisms have anything to do with the ammo, and yes, I did use the correct ammo and yes, it cycled perfectly fine. It even cycled with hand-made hulls I cut down and crimped myself. Other people in this thread have stated the ammunition problem and the feed issues had nothing to do with any of the other criticisms, and even if they did it's from a US-perspective anyway so it would be relevant. You want to talk about "the correct ammo?" It's twenty times the cost of normal 12-gauge rounds, anything a US owner has that fires it better work flawlessly which this doesn't.
Fucking deal with the fact that this gun is complete fucking junk. It's worthless. Five round shotgun that's heavier than a Serbu Shorty or any number of modified pump guns or even purpose-built SBS that do the same job but better. All of them can use actual full-sized 12 gauge ammo, since ammunition is so goddamn important for you.
Do you even own guns anyway? I'm getting strong "my big brother has a Glock!" vibe from you.
>>29313477
>The fact that they bolted a stock and retard barrel on a gun meant to be used as a sidearm means that the concept has been ruined.
See >>29300696, >>29300795, and >>29302671. The MAG-7 is shit even in its original configuration when compared to conventional shotguns. There's no way you're going to be using a gun that weighs just under 9 lbs as a sidearm outside of a video game.
>>29313726
>Fucking deal with the fact that this gun is complete fucking junk. It's worthless. Five round shotgun that's heavier than a Serbu Shorty or any number of modified pump guns or even purpose-built SBS that do the same job but better. All of them can use actual full-sized 12 gauge ammo, since ammunition is so goddamn important for you.
This so much.
A non-NFA shorty does everything this thing does but much better, while smaller and much better handling.
In fact, with Aquila mini-shells it should have twice the capacity.
>>29314271
>A non-NFA shorty does everything this thing does but much better
Not quite, the MAG-7 is about 22" long. It would end up being an NFA item if you wanted it to do everything, but as pointed out earlier in the thread it would still end up shitting all over the MAG-7.
>>29314428
I love these shorties, and how they ain't NFA items.
You think we'll ever get to see them as made by Dominion Arms, with the detachable box magazines? I think that would be interesting (albeit less compact)
>>29312535
The M14 uses the short stroke white gas system.
You must be thinking of the Garand which is long stroke.
So, I have a though.
get full length brass shells. cut them down to length needed to match the 60mm South African shells. Reload these brass shells until they crack. repeat.
>>29316069
>get full length brass shells
Stop right there criminal scum. Don't waste brass shells on this piece of shit, it cycles fine with cut-down plastic hulls sealed with wax.
>>29298438
The fact that the "correct" ammo is unobtanium speshul snowshit is a pretty big negative, if you ask me.
>>29298980
What is CSGO? And no, I won't Google it. It sounds like some bullshit vidya.
>>29299619
Except that Ian is using correct TD, and the gun is improperly designed.
>>29299875
This guy gets it.
>>29301949
You got your post replies backwards. And Ian is no naziboo. The spiked stalheim were from WW1.
>>29298438
>shotgun where the pump grip will smack your trigger finger if you (wisely) keep it off the trigger while pumping
>ambi-safety that cannot into being ambi
>meant to use speshul snowflake shells
>all in all a mechanical nightmare that rightfully got left in the dust
>still get bootbothered vidyatards who have never even seen a MAG-7, much less shot one, that can't stand to see it criticized because it's their favorite shottygat in CS:GO
lel
>>29299619
That ammunition is no longer manufactured.
>>29312116
>Both of his channels
>Both
>Only knows about two
Look at this faggot! Look at him and laugh.
>>29313477
>The fact that they bolted a stock and retard barrel on a gun meant to be used as a sidearm means that the concept has been ruined.
Really hate to break it to you shortround, but the gun was shit from the getgo in pretty much every way.
>>29307979
Vektors are okay.
>>29318858
>>meant to use speshul snowflake shells
>not understanding why it didnt use standard shells
Wew, lad
>>29319461
I can't speak to how good they are as pistols, but they are AESTHETIC as fuck
>>29319466
I'm sure he understands why they did that, still doesn't make it a good idea
What does /k/ think about the 590 Bullpup?
>>29315957
Oh yeah, my bad.
>>29318816
Counter-Strike
>>29319466
Where did he imply that he didn't understand this? You really are desperate to defend a gun that really isn't very good.
>>29319495
Zeerust as fuck
>>29319495
Better than the MAG7
>>29319495
Nifty, in a way.
>>29319501
Goes without saying.
>>29319466
>>29313477
>Counter Cucks mad when facing the truth
How do we fix the Mag-7?
>>29321125
you don't, it's fucked
>>29321125
Make it a bullpup semi and specifically for mini-shells. Give it a canted mag and built in sig brace so it sits on the forearm like a bushmaster pistol. I think that would do nicely.
>all of those CS:GO faggots in the comments
>>29319466
>>not understanding why it didnt use standard shells
I understand perfectly why it didn't. So it could accommodate yet another shitty design decision made in the process of developing an abortion of a shotgun. And it -still- manages to have a grip that's as thick and comfortable to grip as a whale cock. How does this help your case at all?
>I fucking hated CS before
>I hate it even more now
You cancerous fucksticks have become parodies unto yourselves.
>>29317381
If I remember correctly, plastic shells can only be reloaded 3-5 times before they're done, while brass shells can be reloaded an assload (I've never actually got an answer, most people apparently forget how many times they reloaded them long before they wear out). Most people would probably rather go with brass shells for reloading so they don't have to constantly be modifying new shells as the older ones wear out.
>>29313477
>shills
Oh my god shut the fuck up you retard
>>29321125
You get a Grizzly instead, it takes detachable 5rd mags (that are easier to find), but accepts regular off the shelf 12-gauge shells.
It's also lighter, smaller and easier to handle, the build quality is better too.
>>29321254
... so make an entirely different sort of weapon?
I think the MAG-7 is shit, but I think we could do something with the magazine
>>29299754
Too lazy, presumably. It is not rocket science, it is slightly shorter cartridges.
>>29298980
im a counter-cock, and even i know the mag-7 is garbage toilets.
people who are buthurt are people who think all guns should look like special snowflakes and that a manual of arms is a meme.
>>29312116
>pic related: you
>>29298422
>lipsmack
>lipsmack
>lipsmack
>lipsmack
>lipsmack
>>29322310
They do wear out but since you've already cut them down the hulls are good for a few more shots before you wind up with extracting just the brass. Honestly I think that's fine, a worn-out hull will just turn into a shitty slug, save the full brass for something that deserves it.
