ITT We diss guns we like, ironically or unironically
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>Heavy
>Ammo getting harder to find
>Bolt is weaker than a nonhipstrer rifle
>Is sneakily becoming the new Nuggat meme gun on /k/
>>29295054
Mosins ak and ars are all overrated
>>29295054
SKS
>garbage sights
>heavy for what it is
>hard to find OEM parts for
>not worth it next to an AR
>>29295054
A gun should be comforting, not comfortable. 7+1 of .380 and a short barrel aren't useful at any respectable range.
>>29295054
Semi-auto .44 only has 4+1. Out of ammo when you're just starting to have fun, plus, the tube loading mechanism sucks. Also, fucktons of muzzle flip.
>>29295125
I saw one of those on sale at an LGS
Ruger made some interesting designs
>>29295125
Fuddiest 9mm carbine available. 9mm rounds are an expensive S&W 59 type that's rare. Factory buffer spring and recoil buffer both sucked; the former was underpowered, and the latter dissolved when hit by gun cleaning chemicals. So, the buffer dissolved, and the bolt hit the back with too much force, splitting the stocks. Tons of them had their original stocks fail, and got replaced with fugly polymer aftermarket.
>>29295160
Oh, they're worth it, loved mine. Peculiar, but great.
>Heavy
>Dog-leg piston
>Doesnt take mags
>Can only shoot M2 Ball with original gas block
thats about it desu
>Wasn't mass produced in 7.92x33
That's literally it.
>>29295054
>Round that can't comfortably reach out past 600 meters.
>Anemic 4x optic that is best in class for neither close range or long range.
>Fagpul furniture.
>Money in, operator fantasies out.
>Shit tier QD mount that deforms rails with repeated mounting / removing.
>Ambi controls on a gun nobody will ever shoot left handed.
>>29295266
Aww, the fuzzy muffin
>>29295054
I don't have a picture of my 98k, but:
>retard-tier sling
>muh German steel highly overrated
>shit-tier sights, did they even try?
>they call THIS a carbine??
>mythical quality is just that, a myth
>accuracy is completely average, not at all special
>gonna burn your hand if you don't hold onto that six inch portion of wood the handguard ACTUALLY covers
>looks better than it actually is
>Arisaka improved your design, Paul
It almost physically hurt to write those things.
>>29295334
He's a baby <3
>>29295054
>No longer great for poorfags
>any decent accuracy models are expensive
>no proper modern versions
>No four foot long bayonets
>no seven foot long variants
>I will never pole vault and remove kebab at same time.
>>29295090
>I took shitty pictures of mine
>Trigger is still garbage after a trigger job
>Soft-wood stock which dings easily
>There's nothing it does which an AK can't do just as well if not better
So I didn't have any problem getting 7.5x55 Swiss, because PPU made it. But now all the $15 a box soft points is sold out everywhere. And there is a store near me that has a crap load but they want like $20 a box.
At least I bought a 100 rounds and reload them so I should be fine for awhile.
>People keep asking how i purchased a Military Grade Assault Pistol
>It has a plastic guide rod
>When people see it they ask how i can stand a slide safe
>When people see it they ask why i hate america and didnt buy a glock
Honestly i love the damn thing and find no real faults in it besides holster weight, but fuck me if someone sees it
>>29295073
yeah ARs too
>>29295095
It's perfect at self defense range tho
>Jams in mud
>>29295778
Well frankly what did you expect to happen? You rack the action a few times and it's back to normal.
>Sights are small
>Heavy
That's about it really. I like everything else.
>>29295793
Legendary capitalism destroying reliability.
>>29295811
Explain
The Mosin is objectively outclassed in design, shoots an ammo with retarded design and is unweidly as fuck.
Slavshit as a whole is only considered "reliable" because the Slavs couldn't be fucked to build anything with decent tolerances. If they had built something that could lock up and shoot consistently together, it'd choke on dust, dirt or dry air due to the massive rail surfaces that would need to be lubed.
>>29295811
>>29295820
Don't ruin the thread, please
>>29295854
You can't ruin what is just going to be endless bitching and memeing
>>29295610
The one site (the one I assume you use) goes from 0 in stock to 130 in a day all the time. Never even touched the gp11 and they stopped making it in 96. Love the gun, never find ammo and I don't reload
>>29295892
>Unsafe to carry with one in the chamber
>Ammo is expensive
>Shitty grip angle
>>29295824
The gun is so amazingly ass its insane. I can't think of one positive of the gun that isn't actually negative. "You can beat the shit out of it" its already fucking shit that's why. I have no clue why I love the steaming pile of garbage
>>29295824
>>29295932
The only real downside of the mosin is the straight bolt because it requires more leverage to operate. Everything else is perfectly fine for a WWII era bolt gun based on an 1891 rifle design.
>>29295793
>frankly
Hi Ian hows it going?
>>29295054
I love it and a lot of other people do too but the only real issue I got is with the rare ammo. Its the right weight, if it was signifcantly less weight it would be shit to shoot. Recoil is heavy but I can still see impacts. As for the bolt , if it contains the combustion of the ammo its strong enough, never heard of one exploding
>>29295929
I picked up some 800-900 rounds of red army standard for about $350
>>29295961
Most if not all ww2 rifles have way better tolerances. I have owned a couple mosins and see and shot many more, I swear some of the rifles looked like the metal was shaped with a handfile and you can feel it operating the rifle
>>29296056
What I meant more or less is that if you had the most perfect Mosin, Kar98k, etc they would all be more or less equivalent.
The length of the mosin is another downside I suppose, and rimmed cartridges can cause malfunctions that the other rimless rifles don't have if you load it improperly.
![Screen-Shot-2014-02-17-at-1.34.32-PM[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/EGrBZu0.png "Screen-Shot-2014-02-17-at-1.34.32-PM[1].png")
>ugly as fuck
>shit stock sights
>boring
>no character
>zero factory customs or limited editions
>>29296212
The ultimate service pistol. All it needs is a slide safety.
>>29295054
Do people really find the K31 heavy?
Are those who say that polymer/AR fags?
Of all the milsurps I own, the K31 is probably the most well balanced, and most comfortable weight?
I wish plastic /polymer was never invented for firearms. Fucking beta cuck faggots the lot of you to be honest family fucks sake gas yourselves
>>29296415
it's the same sort of people who complain about the "ridiculous recoil" on a 7.62x39
>>29296252
>slide safety
Why?
>>29296444
>ridiculous recoil" on a 7.62x39
>7,62x39
Ive had people say an 8mm Mauser "has a vicious kick"
>>29296495
Because military
It should have a grip safety too now that I think about it
>>29296444
>>29296503
theres a lot of autism in the gun community innit lads
>>29296515
Just babby shoulders. Ive seen a grown man cry like a bitch over .223
it's heavy as shit, annoying to load the enbloc clips into, and I hate buying ammo for it.
>>29295054
Not my K31, but:
>so fucking hefty
>weird buttplate angle only feels good at a bench
>baby sized length of pull
>sights ain't that great
>if this rifle was a person, it'd be obese with how wide and fat it is
>I pity the fools that thought using such a finely machined rifle was a good idea for military use
>dubious and only theoretical combat capabilities
>weird stripper clip that I'd never ever want to use with a gloved hand
>straight pull ain't even that fast compared to conventional bolts, sometimes worse
>K31 fanboys are even worse than Mosin fanboys, at least their mosins are battle tested
I love my K31, but it just doesn't feel like something you'd use in war.
I was under the impression that a k31 had a very strong action. Obviously not on par with Mauser type actions bUT still quite strong.
>>29296720
Imagine how the Austro-Hungarian soldiers felt, they were all issued with true Schmidt Rubens.
>>29296720
>>weird stripper clip that I'd never ever want to use with a gloved hand
>>straight pull ain't even that fast compared to conventional bolts, sometimes worse
nigga, please. the rest are fair
>>29296758
noooooooo
>>29295054
Ammo is non-existent
dropped once never fired
ammo when found, sucks because it's not the right diameter
outdated before WWI, used until the 80's and beyond
only dirt farming libyans use it anymore
>>29296812
How not? Certainly more robust than a carcano or an SMLE right?
>>29296812
A traditional bolt pull is more natural and sometimes better than straight pull.
To complete a single straight pull bolt action:
1. Pull trigger
2. Have to manipulate your hands to grab a handle
3. Slide it back straight with constricted arm range-of-motion (think: t-rex arms)
4. Slide it forward
5. Let go of the bolt and put your hand back on the trigger
6. Pull trigger
To complete a single traditional pull bolt action
1. Pull trigger
2. Quickly catch the bolt head with your palms and pull the bolt up
3. Pull bolt back with arching arms
4. Push the bolt forward
5. Push the bolt down
6. The downward motion of step #5 is continued and your hands are already on the trigger ready to fire without even thinking
7. Pull trigger
Traditional bolt is more natural and faster. Even faster if bent bolt.
>>29296838
i dont have any evidence but its well known that the mauser had one of the strongest actions of the war and supposedly the k31 has never had a reputation for being particularly strong. ive got no idea how it stacks against those two in particular but its deginately not up there with the mauser, type 99, or 1917
>>29296956
thats because youre more used to traditional bolts. if you had used more straight pulls your claim would be the opposite.
>>29295643
>keychain in the lanyard loop
Thanks Anon, I will be doing this now.
>>29296987
Yes, you can tell that I do love my traditional bolts.
I think the K31's straight pull system can be faster and more user friendly (more fluid actions) if the bolt head is larger and if the neck of the bolt is longer so it extends out a bit.
The K31's action makes people grab the bolt with their fingers, which is slower. A larger and longer bolt handle will encourage the use of palms and the utilization of the whole hand instead of pinching and pulling a small and short bolt against the rifle (because the K31's bolt is so goddamn close to the rifle).
Pic related should be the new handle of the K31 or something like this
>>29297096
Whoops I'm getting the terms wrong. When I say bolt head I mean the bolt handle.
>>29296987
Just looked up the pressures for their respective cartridges. The gp11 cartridge exceeds the pressures of both 8mm mauser and 303 British. This is not proof of action strength but it is indicative of each actions ability with their primary cartridges.
>>29295345
>>they call THIS a carbine??
Have you ever handled a Gewehr 88?
It's a relative thing.
>>29296780
>Imagine how the Austro-Hungarian soldiers felt, they were all issued with true Schmidt Rubens.
None of that is true. The Austria-Hungarians mostly used the M95 Steyr which is a good bit different. I actually like the M95 long rifle more than any Schmidt Rubin.
>>29297154
My mistake, I just knew they used a straight pull rifle.
>>29297152
That's why I worded it that way. And yes, I love the G98.
>>29297165
It's okay, we all start somewhere with what we know.
Fun to contrast the differences though.
>>29295245
goddamn the m1 is T H I C C
>>29297096
im not disagreeing with that, but its almost unarguable that someone who is very accustomed a traditional bolt is still firing off fewer rounds than someone who is very accustomed with a straight pull bolt.
>>29297131
that only makes sense assuming all cartridges for the same caliber have the same pressure, all cartridges for a caliber are designed for the same model rifle, and every different rifle cartridge is loaded for the same % under maximum chamber pressure. anyone who knows much about milsurp will tell you that the mauser is more robust than the k31. the lee is debatable.
>>29297184
I don't know much of the period rifles, if the video I watched was true the styer manlicher achieved lockup with a wedge type system which required tight tolerances to be reliable. Obviously not an ideal rifle for trench warfare, magazine floor plate notwithstanding.
>>29297221
All I'm saying is that they are of similar performance and the gp11 cartridge that was design specifically for the k31 is of higher maximum pressure. I wouldn't say a k31 is more strong thanot a Mauser, just not as weak or fragile as you say. The enfield isn't known for action strength, just by the location of the locking lugs.
>>29297239
Early (1886 & 1888) Steyrs used the wedge lock design, which is perfectly fine for what it was.
Later Steyrs used a rotating bolt, and it's actually pretty damn strong.
Given the fact that many countries continued to use mannlicher magazine types after WWI, that hole in the bottom attracting mud is probably more theoretical than how it really was in use.
>>29297278
I agree, obviously theyou would be sure to keep shit out of their rifle. Just like keeping an M1 action clean will keep it reliable, it is susceptible to malfuction but not being retarded helps with that.
>>29297319
>not being retarded helps with that.
Exactly. That alone prevents most mayhem.
>>29297278
I'd buy one if the ammo wasn't impossible to find
>>29296415
>Dissing guns we like
>Ironically or unironically
>Ironically
Don't take stuff so seriously anon
>>29295125
if they werent so damn expensive a longer tube would be a cake walk, but fuck modifying a discontinued gun.
>>29295643
polymer guide rod is a good thing though. Doesnt bother me at all. assuming i fucked up enough to hurt the rod i would much rather not have a bent or knicked one to deal with and it it ever did break its a inexpensive to replace. doesnt look as good though
>>29295054
>fucking garbage straight pull bolt
>can't hit side of a barn
>nazi marked ammo
>lightweight for babby spagetti armed babbies
>ridiculous recoil
>>29295809
>D I C K G R I P S
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>>29297209
hIGH TEST
>>29302555
>Nazi marked ammo
How is that a bad thing?
>>29303663
old as shit, late war production suffered from bad materials and less then optimal manufacturing conditions.
Late war nazi Germany partially was Khyber-Pass-tier backyard gunsmithing
>>29295054
none of the things you said are true
Except for the meme part
>the Czechs somehow managed to over engineer a straight blow-back pistol
>may god have mercy on you if you need to reassemble it.
>mag release is stiff as hell and you can't even reach it with your thumb
>finish is literally painted on in true CZ fashion
>doesn't even have dick grips
>>29295345
Suddenly glad the m48 has an extended handguard
>>29295054
I'll start from the left.
AKML kit build.
>wobbly stock
>something's fucked with the trigger, so it slaps forward whenever I hold it down after firing
>wobbly rivets mean absolutely zero accuracy
>the fact that I've never zeroed it also helps
Yugoslavian M48
>expensive ammo
>expensive hard to find ammo
>low capacity
>meh sights
>meh ergonomics
>I haven't gotten a bayonet yet
TTC
>next to no rifling
>next to no finish
>expensive ammo
>expensive hard to find inaccurate ammo
>inaccurate
Jericho 941F
>expensive mags
That should be it.
I could start roasting other guns I've used before though, if you all want.
>>29295345
>Arisaka
>improvement from the lift to cock mechanism
Fuck your shit.
>>29296415
It is heavier than my m1903, or at least it feels that way.
>>29295701
But entry level nib ARs are like $500, that's pretty low.
Are you saying the product is overpriced at that level too? What exactly are they overcharging/overpaying on? I mean,
>raw materials
>finished materials (bought bolts, pins, or springs)
>assembly
There's still the 80% guns and the like, I don't remember if AKs are into that but I know ARS are heavily.
>>29305887
My 1917 feels heavy as shot compared to my 1903. Probably will help with recoil
>>29295054
My m1903
>sights are absolutely impossible to see against a dark target
>action doesn't vent as well as a regular Mauser action in a case rupture
>expensive for a milsurp when you are looking for one in good quality
>16th century stock
>having to buy 30 fudd 6 to feed it
>>29303675
Most of the Nazi marked 8X56r that was sold in the US was pre-war or early war.
>>29295961
It's not bad because of the bolt stem you mongoloid, it's because the entire bolt was designed by an autistic orangutan.
>>29295054
Mini 14
>Too cool for most people
>Way too handy and lightweight
>Far too reliable
>Way too Gucci
>Everyone hates you cuz your beautiful
>>29295054
Tokarev
>Ammo isn't as easy to find
>Bitch to take apart
>Retarded to take apart
>Fucking stupidly annoying to take apart
>>29306823
>Mini 14
>Reliable
>>29306800
A World War winning autistic orangutan design you mean
>>29306949
When you vastly outnumber your enemy and have allies distracting them and giving you free shit, it doesn't much matter how shit or good the infantryman's rifle is.
>>29295929
Really? I find the grip angle comfy as fuck
