Oil vs Grease
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Whats the best bet for guns?
I can see certain guns wanting grease like an AK, but it seems to me stuff with small parts would be better with oil
>>29294791
I use lard or coconut oil
>>29294813
>organic compounds
>can literally break down
>can rot
yeah, bright idea, retard
Use both.
Motir Oil for general lubing and getting rid of crud.
Lithium grease for high wear spots and slide rails.
>>29295450
Why use a dirty oil when a clean oil like Hoppes works better?
>inb4 price
A single $2 bottle lasts a year
>>29294791
My understanding is oil is for parts that slide, grease is for parts that rotate.
>>29294791
I just use CLP
>>29295556
MUH OUNCES, YOU PAY LESS PER OUNCE FOR MOTOR OIL ITS LITERALLY THE SAME THING YER DUMB.
Shut up retards, not all oils are the same. Motor oil isn't your hidden secret for magic lube thats cheaper than semen.
>>29295568
/thread
and remember /k/ids, with lube, less is more
>>29295568
grease is for large unsealed parts
Oil is for small parts that grease cannot get into or will not stay in such as a hammer, striker, firing pin, trigger, sear, etc
>>29295573
CLP is 0/10 trash
Red/purple high temp wheel bearing grease.
>>29295632
I heard you like collecting carbon, dirt, and lint inside your gun and on moving parts
Because that's what bearing grease does
>>29295631
> clp is trash
Ok edgelord9000
>>29295585
>muh plain mineral oil in the Hoppe's bottle is much more suited for lubing firearms than the oil engineered to not degrade in a high heat pressure, and fouling rich environment over hundreds of hours of operation
>>29295662
what do you think oil does?
>>29295662
>does the same thing as oil
>stays where I put it instead of running down my buffer tube
>does not dry/burn up and get thrown off
>>29295736
>crankcases
>high fouling
lel
>what do you think oil does?
Washes it away when you wipe it off and re-oil
>>29295762
there shouldn't be oil anywhere near your buffer tube you ape
>>29295773
>there shouldn't be oil anywhere near your buffer tube you ape
That's the problem you illiterate mong
>>29295773
>crankcases
>high fouling
why do you think the oil comes out tar black when you change it, even though it goes in clear-yellow?
And yes, you can wipe grease away and reapply it. It's not expensive.
>>29295783
you literally put one drop on the trigger and a very tiny amount on the bolt
and even then you don't need it because it will burn off on the first shot
AR's don't need lube
>>29295789
because you drop 50,000 miles at an average RPM of 2.5k
That's like running a gun through 10,000 rounds and then saying HURR WHYS IT DIRTY
Oh and I regularly run my car to 8000 and it is only amber brown
You just drive a shit car
>>29295813
>>29295813
fuck
5,000
not 50,000
>>29295833
>I don't know how to lube an AR so I'll call you dumb
ITT: idiots spending money like idoits
>>29295848
>AR's don't need lube
>>29295873
they do on the moving parts that contact other parts in a meaningful manner
which is 3 parts
Bolt/carrier
Trigger/hammer/disconnector
Safety
Prove me wrong faggot
>>29294791
god-tier
>>29295909
I don't know what you are trying to argue here
>hurr ARs dun need lub
>"that's retarded yes they do"
>hurr you don know how to lube so you call names!
>"you are a retard that says ARs don't need to be lubed"
>yes they do! prove me wrong!
Are you bipolar?
Hoppes to clean, CLP to lubricate. While CLP is an all-in-one I used to for years and it's worked fine for me. Hoppes provides a better clean.
Only issue I've ever ran into with CLP is shooting in temperatures that fall into the negatives. There I've had/seen rifles jam up because it can freeze up.
>>29295947
if you even read the original I said there were two spots oil should go
What I use on all my guns
>>29296013
And then continued on telling me that there was no point and that ARs don't need lube
>>29295813
>and even then you don't need it because it will burn off on the first shot
>AR's don't need lube
Telling me where lubricant should go is overshadowed by your retarded statement that it does not need it.
>hurr pants go on your legs but you don't need pants
>"you do need pants retard"
>No I told you where pants go I didn't say you don't need pants!
>>29296079
if you have a nitrided or nickel boron bolt you could go for a hell of a long time without lube
>>29296070
Fuck
>>29296079
you don't actually need pants senpai
I'm surprised no one has said TW25B or Break Free CLP.
>>29294791
I use both, it depends on the application.
This is the only correct answer.
>>29296179
Well, I did mean Break Free specifically, but you're right. But still.... No TW25B? That stuff is pretty great even if it is a bit more expensive.
I use white lithium grease for most surfaces but Balistol diluted with water in a spray bottle is top tier for everywhere that grease does not apply (bore, trigger group, general cleaning)
>>29295631
>CLP
>trash
I recently bought some eezox. Kind of expensive but supposed to be pretty good. I like it so far.
Pistols: Brian Enos slide glide on slide rails and guide rod. Oil on bore and trigger components.
Rifles: oil for all surfaces.
>>29296037
if you think this is good you should see the tremendous fights over proper lubrication on niche car forums, and sometimes /o/
>>29296135
>>29296070
>using an oil known to cause wear
>using an oil known to always end up with an additional 3-5 points on the Fe category of a UOA
is using used motor oil a good idea? or am i retarded?
>>29297266
>Not mixing ZDDP into your oil already
>>29297296
they already add zinc into most oil
And Fe is iron
As in it's wearing on the steel parts more than other oils
Quaker State mustard rapes
I'm a nogunz who just got a semiauto pistol.
>Apply small amounts of motor oil
>Drips from the places I put it into fucking everywhere
>This can't be right
>Try superlube, the only other lube-like substance I have
>Remember why I bought that
>WhatthefuckamIdoing
On the plus side, I could probably insert the barrel into my anus with minimal discomfort now.
>>29297406
you only put tiny bits of oil so it's a sheen across the parts
also
>Not using astroglide
>>29297406
Your gun shouldn't be dripping. Just put some on a rag, wipe down the rails. Also wipe the rest of the gun, but wipe those parts down with a dry rag after. It will leave a thin film that's pretty much dry to the touch but prevents rust.
>>29297296
i'm a performance artist
>>29294818
Like you
>>29297437
Fuck you, leather man!
>>29297454
FUCK YOU
>>29295789
Same reason peanut oil and safflower oil turns to sludge in restaurants. When you heat oil either way too hot or over and over again, it changes color.
It has nothing to do with anything that is added to the oil.
Some guns need grease, for them, I use Lucas Red and Tacky #2 because that's what I use on my truck, lawn mower, chainsaw, and boat trailer, so I've got it around. This goes on the action rails of my Garand, M1 Carbine, Mossberg 500, 1911, and Browning Highpower Mark II plus a light film on the wear slides of my AR-15's bolt carrier group, except if I'm gonna shoot in extreme cold, then these guns get oiled where the grease would go.
For oil, I use Lucas gun oil, I oil any pin with a rotating part on any of my guns with this, and also the bolt of the AR, except in extreme cold and I use it as the oil step when cleaning barrels or wiping metal down for rust protection.
In extreme cold, any larger or sliding part that would get oil in normal weather gets lubed with graphite.
I also lube my buffer tube with graphite, keeps it quieter.
>>29297599
>wear slides
>AR15
what
>>29294791
I use Mobil 1 5w30 synthetic and Mobile 1 grease.
>>29297599
where do you oper8 that it gets so cold standard hoppes won't work?
I've oper8ted in -25 before
>>29297703
see>>29297266
I bet you use that trash in your car, too
>>29295568
Other way around, friendo.
Grease for slides, bolts, ect. Oil for trigger groups.
>>29297290
It's fine insofar as barrier resistance (IE, lubrication) goes. Just don't expect much in the way of corrosion resistance.
>>29297290
>>29297744
used motor oil will have tons of shit in it like carbon, metal shavings, etc
You don't want that shit in your slides and parts lapping away at your parts
>>29294791
You can use both. I personally soak my gun frames and most metal parts in motor oil as a way to ensure that they don't rust.
Gun oils are really only for use on already properly lubricated firearms.
Greases are buyer beware unless you have a good idea of what parts you know need the extra cushion.
>>29297771
>soak
Yeah, oil on every surface is good to get it into that first couple thousandths of steel, but that's excessive and wasteful
>>29297744
>>29297756
Was talking about motor oil specifically. Didn't see that he said "used."
>>29297771
>Soaking your guns in motor oil
ISHYGDDT
At least tell me you use a non-detergent and low viscosity oil?
>>29296135
>5w30
>Not the non-detergent, low viscosity oil
Goddamn you faggots are insufferable. Motor oil has too many detergents that wear on you rifle, and using too much of it or any of an oil that is too viscous is asking to get stoppages
if it slides grease
if it rotates oil
Froglube masterrace. My guns run and smell fucking fantastic
>>29297901
>detergents wear a finished firearm
>they somehow do not wear the unfinished internals of engines
I am confus
>>29297927
until it flows into your striker channel and gums up
>>29297932
Literally never happened. Try again
>>29297927
>paying extra for what is literally coconut oil and mint scent
>>29297938
It's happened maybe 10 or 15 times on the guns that have been brought into the shop with failure to fire issues
>>29297940
that was pure speculation, not scientific fact
the guy just said, I think so because I can cut it and stuff
>>29297966
>that was pure speculation, not scientific fact
>the guy just said, I think so because I can cut it and stuff
>when it was literally ran it thru an infrared and NMR spectrometer and was found chemically identical to coconut oil
>>29297961
Bullshit. Post pics please. Your anecdotes aren't fact.
>>29297435
>Thin film that's pretty much dry to the touch
Not the guy you're responding to, but that's a relief for me
>Drag a Sterling AR-180 home from a gunshow
>Finish isn't perfect on it, there's very slight rust and loads of filth in nooks and crannies
>Clean the hell out of it
>Wipe it down with hoppes' gun oil rags
>Looks like it's been fucking hot glazed
>Wipe most of the excess off with a cleaning patch
Now I just have to figure out how to refinish it, but that's a story for another thread
Also:
>Spray remoil on my ar-15's bolt carrier
>70 rounds later
>Still on it
Not an amazing feat or anything, but more than I was expecting. Then again, it's not like that spot is getting very hot.
>>29297989
You're going to have to source that because all I saw was some cucks speculation
>>29297998
>post pics of the guns that have been cleaned and given back to the customer
ok
>>29298007
Rem oil blows
it's overpriced silicone spray
Does anyone have the pictures of that lube test someone did by treating metal plates with different lubes and leaving them in the rain?
>>29298023
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/302999-Frog-Lube-is-Coconut-Oil-You-heard-it-here-first
http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/froglube-tracklube-and-seal1-laboratory-analysis/
http://imgur.com/7RZWCg1 (the actual data)
>>29298030
So it never occurred to you to document a
"common" problem with a product that may be used in someones defensive weapon? Wow, you're a shitty person.
>>29298043
not a good way to determine good lubrication
that only applies to corrosion resistance and the higher viscosity ones are obviously going to be better
>>29298044
dank
Thanks for showing me this, anon
>>29298057
no I told the guy to not use it anymore or use less of it
I have no intention of making it a giant media thing because I don't give enough fucks
If you want a PSA, here it is, cocknose
>>29298041
I know it does, but my dad swears by it so I figured "Eh, why not?"
I use froglube, once I stopped drowning the gun in the shit it seems to work pretty well, even if it seems to gunk up more than I like
>>29298044
http://imgur.com/7RZWCg1
How is that proof?
The numbers are way off
>>29298058
I'm not using it as a way to base what lube is best, I'm trying to figure out which has the best corrosion resistence to factor in to my list of what lube I'm going to buy. Obviously I want something that has good corrosion resistance because I live near the ocean so I was wondering if anyone had the results from that test
>>29298074
it's an analysis of the additives
from yonder tests
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/02/21/froglube-is-probably-made-from-coconut-oil-not-frogs/
>>29297793
Not particularly wasteful considering most of the guns I do this to are pushing 100 years and have not been as well taken care of as they should have.
>>29297844
I'm not concerned about detergents and I only use low viscosity because I live in cold place.
>>29298068
Hoppes 9 and be done with it
>>29298076
Hoppes 9 oil has worked for a hella long time and works fine in all of my guns
>>29298064
Not even him, but if you're jamming a viscous grease into your striker channel, you're a fucking retard
>>29298084
Probably should, but I feel like I need to use something with higher viscosity in my Sig, because it beats the hell out of itself. Am I right in that assumption?
froglube
>>29298086
it looked to me like he put it underneath in the crucifix area and it flowed up into it under firing
>>29298102
Why use something the inventor can't even explain to you
>>29298095
>beats the hell out of itself
Unless your slide rails are wearing down in dimension, a different oil will make no difference
>>29298125
The finish is being stripped off of them over about half an inch of distance, while being left completely intact for most of the rest of the rail.
It's mostly the unevenness of the wear that bugs me
>>29298095
>>29298139
I use a light film of grease on my handgun rails
but a little bit of finish loss is normal. It should be more or less even though, so be sure to lube that part especially.
All your springs up to proper tension?
>>29298139
uneven wear would indicate a high spot
And the finish on Sigs is all of .0005 inches thick, so any wear you're seeing is extremely minimal in reality
>>29298144
It's a P226 in .357sig, I haven't modified the recoil spring. Do you think I should move to a heavier one?
>>29298153
I see, thanks for the info!
I have another question, though: Lubricating the "rails" on a polymer gun like the P2000. There's no point, right?
>>29298162
By "Rails" i'm referring to the non-metal sections that the slide rides along, not the actual rails
>>29298162
>I have another question, though: Lubricating the "rails" on a polymer gun like the P2000. There's no point, right?
That's the marketing gimmick, but the metal is still steel, I'd lube it to keep it slick to prevent wearing on the plastic
And most rails are steel reinforced
>>29298173
Makes sense. Welp, that's all I've got to keep the thread going, unless anyone wants to talk about cerakoting an AR-180 MuddyGirl Pink
>>29298201
>cerakoting an AR-180 MuddyGirl Pink
pic related
>cerakote
pic even more related
>>29298231
I dunno, man. Sterlings were never renowned for their finish, and this one's sat in a safe for twenty or thirty years already.
>>29298240
blast it and re-park
>>29295943
Where do you buy this stuff online? Midway has it but its out of stock....
>>29298269
It's blued, not parked..
I hope.
>>29298278
google the difference
If its rough like an M1 Garand or old 1911, then it's parked
>>29298285
What I meant was, I hope they didn't try to park this thing; it looks very lightly blued.
>>29294791
grease.
/thread
>>29298231
What's wrong with Cerakote in your mind?
It's basically bake-on Teflon right?
So add some lubricity to your parts while giving it a finish.
>>29298084
Oil runs off after a short time and does nothing.
If "bone dry" is how you want it, oil should work wonders. Really oil has a limited application in something as open as a firearm. Put grease on it, it sticks. It lubricates.
>>29298682
>runs off
>doesn't know about oil films
If the oil is running, you're using too much
>>29298673
expensive, hard to apply, does nothing particularly better than duracoat,
>>29295943
Lol, we use that shit on the Blackhawk. Best way to remove it is with fire-resistant hydraulic fluid (MIL-PRF-83282), if anyone cares. Its non-toxic too, so you window-lickers don't need to worry about getting poisoned. Won't help your basement dweller pizza face if you get it on you though.
That said, I'd say that canola oil is best oil for firearms.
>>29298761
the absolute madman
>anons face 5 seconds later
>>29298761
my god you need better fitting shoes
>>29299145
My boots fit fine bro. Its the angle. I promise.
>>29294791
Grease on the rails and shearing parts, oil on everything else.
>>29294813
Quit being a namefag ffs!
>>29299305
I use oil so none of my parts end up shearing
>>29294791
What I prefer
I just use ballistol for my 10/22 and mossberg 500
>>29294791
Why does nobody use dry film lube? Is it because you're all fudds at heart?
>>29300483
Because you don't need to clean the gun before lubing it up with the wet stuff. Sometimes you just want to get your gun back up and running, Anon.
>>29298102
That's a toad, anon.
>>29300483
it will fall off/run off just like oil will
grease is king
Grease for anything that slides, oil for anything that rotates.
Pretty simple, /k/.
>>29298068
>I used rem oil, stayed put 70 rounds
>was impressed
>someone tells me its shit
>agree
What?
I only use it on hard to reach places, and usually only after a complete disassemble and clean. Works fine.
>>29300551
Oh wow 70 rounds!
Grease will stay put on a BCG for over a thousand.
>>29300516
It's a permanent coating. I don't mean loose ptfe powder.
>>29300551
Same here, it's convenient if you need it quickly to troubleshoot stuff.
>Sp1 hasn't been shot since 80's
>Extractor ripping off bits of case rims
>Put a bit of oil on it
>Still doing it
>Say fuck it and spray down every fucking part that moves
>Works fine now
Reapplied something else when I got home.
>>29298722
>does nothing particularly better than duracoat
except, it's much stronger and last a lot longer.
>>29295736
Motor oil is designed to flow, its the oil pressure not the oil film in your engine that protects it.
Thats what they dont use motor oil in gears in transmissions, they use transmission fluid which is stiky smelly amd creates a film on the gears to protect them from impact and wear.
Not all oils are created the same, or for the same purpose.
Grease is basically just oil+ soap to keep the oil of choice suspended, and white lithium grease isnt that great it's just used places where criss compatibility with other existing greases is important.
Bearing/axel mobile1 synthetic would be a good choice for a gease.
>>29297928
The detergents dont wear bare metal like in your engine, they do wear the plastics amd finishes on your guns. They are made to help clean stuff off metal surfaces amd can degrade polymers over time for sure.
I put some mobile 1 synthetic grease on some barbs for fuel lines and it softened the inner fuel line liner so much that the lines started pulling off under pressure and had to be completely replaced due to my stupidity trying ti get a tight line on.
Extreme example but thats the point he's making.
>>29298272
thats because I bought the last ones :^)
dont feel bad. they were only cheaper bc they expire in 2 years, kind of a rip off.
I'm nice and the website layout is shit so here you go. https://www.lubriplate.com/Online-Store/14-oz-cans/SFL-0,-14-oz-can.html
if you want smaller sizes, go to lubrikit
>>29298761
canola oil does fuckall for corrosion and organic oils in general gum up the inside and/or break down long term. also you shouldn't be stepping on that.
>>29298030
>he doesnt take pictures before and after guns come into his shop for maximum record keeping and ass covering
It is like you want to be ripped off by a disgruntled customer.
>>29302223
I do what I want. Also, what do you think fireclean was that everyone swore by?
>>29295585
>>29295556
I'm an auto mechanic.
Yes, not all oils are equal. You have to consider the thickness you want and the heat it'll be exposed to.
Spots that don't require thick lube can take 5w-20, 10w-30, 15w-40, etc. Spots requiring heavy lube can use 75w-90, 80w-90, and even 90w-110, or similar. These are the most common oil weights that you'll be able to get from pretty much everywhere that sells automotive shit, beside maybe walmart for the heavy stuff.
Now, some spots in your gun can get hot. For these spots,you have to consider the second number on the oil. The bigger the difference between first and second, the less runny the oil gets - generally, for guns, thats what you want, since ideal conditions for a gun is fairly cool. For spots that stay cool, the second number is entirely fucking irrelevant.
I don't pretend to know what oil is best for each gun, but I put thick stuff, 75w-90 on my bolt guns. It works well and I never have problems. I like the heavy oil because it's more adhesive and less cohesive than lower weight oils seem to be. You can get it in 5 gallon pails or 1 litre jugs. I got a water bottle of it from my work for a discount, so.
>>29294818
>hurr durr petroleum is not an inorganic compound
Kill yourself
>>29300806
then you've never used it in a practical application
>BUT MUH SANDPAPER TESTS
that is 100x what it will ever see in daily use
I can take a rock to my duracoated guns and it wont scratch after 30 days
>cure time
>>29300483
>dry film lube
So like the fuddiest oil possible, Remoil?
>>29300602
>putting grease on a BCG
>literally anywhere there is wear on a BCG there is also intense heat where it will burn off
GENIUS
>hurr cam pins
a dab of oil every 6 months on a nitrided bolt will be all it ever needs
>>29304851
>oil on a bcg
enjoy having no lubrication after the first shot.
>>29300516
>run off
you're using too much
you do not have to physically see lubrication on steel for it to be lubricated
the first few tenths of steel will hold oil, however it WILL NOT hold grease, so once the grease is scraped off, it is no longer lubricated
>>29300906
>they do wear the plastics amd finishes on your guns
You're going to have to snack that up family, because check this
He uses it SPECIFICALLY after finishing a part
and yes, of course, oil ruins plastic like it totally ruins the plastic bottles its packaged in, the oil cap, and the valve cover gasket
Learn more about cars, nerd
>>29302558
>It is like you want to be ripped off by a disgruntled customer.
>implying I don't have them see what's wrong with it before doing work like ANY mechanic
>implying I don't have them sign the work order
>assuming I give a flying fuck if a customer tries to get uppity and act like an asshole
>implying I don't tell them to take a flying fucking leap when they do
whatever
>>29304782
>oil rots
~u
>>29304864
>implying you need lubrication on the gas rings
>implying anything you put there won't be burned off instantly
>>29304925
Grease stays on my BCGs after hundreds of rounds.
Unless you're talking about something other than an AR or AK where this is not the case.
>>29304949
>on my BCG
do you particularly enjoy deflecting my point?
That grease can and will be burned off the gas rings instantly
>>29294791
>all these fags paying name brand advertising premiums just cause it says 'gun/marine lube' on the side.
Literally just get a generic can of boron nitride aerosol. Spray that shit on a clean gun, then bam, instant dry, low friction, chemically inert, thermally resistant coating with no attraction of dirt or wetness.
>>29305012
I'm not sure why you even brought up gas rings. The sliding surfaces of my bolt carrier group have grease on them and it works very well.
>>29305076
and which sliding surfaces are those, buddy boy?
the cam pin?
A part which gets hot?
And a part that doesn't wear on a proper hardened bolt?
>>29306212
The rails, friend.
>>29306314
>>29306336
You didn't know bolt carriers have these things?
>>29306398
I just spray everything with ballistol and wipe off the excess, seems to work fine so far.
>>29306449
I did that for the longest time until I started using grease. Now I need to lube my stuff a lot less often. Still love Ballistol though.
>>29304172
Right, I would think the closest lubed part on a car compared to a gun would be the differential. Its heavy load, high pressure, and with sometimes added heat.
Diff oil has detergents, and anti-foaming agents. Its why the seals on the pumpkin will go bad allowing oil to leak out and oxygen to enter to also allow oil to break down.
Guns aren't sealed, so oxygen will break down oil much quicker.
You might also consider wheel bearings, but those are subjected to much more torque, where a pistol application of bearing grease wouldn't work as well due to reliability.
>>29306705
>I would think the closest lubed part on a car compared to a gun would be the differential.
>compared to a crankcase
>Guns aren't sealed, so oxygen will break down oil much quicker.
this level of retardation hurts my soul
>You might also consider wheel bearings, but those are subjected to much more torque
>wheel bearings
>subjected to any amount of force
They free wheel the whole time you dipshit
>>29294791
Liquid if you're lazy/at the range/in the field. Grease/paste for your HD/carry guns.
>>29306732
I see you've never actually worked on a car, thanks for posting.
Are you also the fag who tries to include 'dipshit' into every post?
>>29306815
>I see you've never actually worked on a car, thanks for posting.
I'm currently in the process of adding potentiometers to my ECT and IAT, opening up my airbox, adding an arduino MPG gauge, adding a fuel/air ratio gauge and I just replaced my pressed in bearings, tie rods, ball joints, and soon I'll be opening up the transmission to replace the flywheel with an aluminum Fidanza, clutch for a Spec Stage 2, and maybe 4th gear for something with better acceleration
You can make all the assumptions you want, but my cars haven't ever seen a mechanic and they run better than 90% of what's on the road
>>29306732
Are you retarded? Wheel bearings - get this - bear the load of the car on the axle. There are different designs, but that's the entire fucking purpose of a bearing. To reduce friction.
>>29306705
The differential typically has a pressure relief valve for when it gets hot or cold, but yeah more or less. The only difference is you have near-constant gear mesh and no slamming parts.
Synthetic gear oil doesn't really break down, at least not in it's normal service life. Eventually the solvents will react fully and it'll lose it's scrubbing abilities, but that's about it. Oxygen leakage isn't really a concern as long as oil stays in.
>>29306887
load bearing = torque
>>29306879
>pressed in bearings
Where, exactly, are these bearings located? And what model car do you drive? I'm calling bullshit.
>>29306879
>adding potentiometers
wow electrical connections much hard
>opening the airbox
Those clips are hard to open, i know
>adding arduino
Woah dude, is /diy/ helping you with that
> fuel air gauge
so you want a lighted thingy in your cabin that you can look at while listening to your VTEC?
>replaced tie rods, joints and bearings
How much did the dealership charge to do that on your 93 civic?
>aluminum flyweel
so you've added all the horsepower you can with NOS stickers?
>spec stage 2 clutch
what the fuck
>dropping 4th gear for lower than 1:1 ratio
alright dude, now I know you're full of shit
>90% of whats on the road
yeah hondas and toyotas are pretty well known for reliability. I can guarantee its not because you're driving it.
Also, friction parts aren't subjected to 200 degree heat in a crank case, so yeah, I wouldn't compare gun lube to crank lube.
>>29306905
Holy fuck you are so stupid.
The 2x4s in your wall bear the load of your ceiling. Are they under torque? Your suspension springs hold your car up, are they under torque?
No, dipshit, they're under compression. There's different kinds of load. Did your parents throw you or just drop you?
>>29306906
>Where, exactly, are these bearings located? And what model car do you drive? I'm calling bullshit.
>he doesn't know about pressed in bearings
It's presses into the steering knuckle
Not every car has bolt ons with ABS, chump
>>29306938
>wow electrical connections much hard
Too bad you have no idea what the sensors are or what they're going in for, noob
>Those clips are hard to open, i know
For better airflow, dicknuts
>Woah dude, is /diy/ helping you with that
Read what it's for, cocknose
>so you want a lighted thingy in your cabin that you can look at while listening to your VTEC?
>driving foreign cars
>ever
>How much did the dealership charge to do that on your 93 civic?
Each bearing was $30 and I used my 20 ton shop press to do it
>so you've added all the horsepower you can with NOS stickers?
>light flywheel
>adding horsepower
Shows what you know
>what the fuck
It's called better lockup because once all of these things have been added, there will be too much torque for the stock clutch to handle and it will slip on take off
>alright dude, now I know you're full of shit
>implying I don't have a 5th gear for cruising that I use at any speed over 40 so 4th gear is useless if it doesn't have good acceleration
>Also, friction parts aren't subjected to 200 degree heat in a crank case,
Are...are you serious right now?
You realize cars run at 200 degrees, right?
The coolant itself is that hot
So the engine is obviously slightly hotter than that
>>29306942
fuck
That was supposed to be =/= torque
>>29307011
potentiometers are jellybean parts formerly available even at dumps like radioshack, nerd
Using a dremel to remove the silencer tubing from the factory plastic box is what 16 year olds do.
You bought a $13 arduino, probably loaded it with code from the internet and wiring it to some vtecforum post. That doesn't mean you know how to code nor does it mean you know what you're doing.
20 ton shop press, we're impressed you got your tools at harbor frieght. Do you use it to crack open walnuts too?
"stage xxx" is madeup marketing shit for aftermarket parts to sell crap to morons. GG buying "stage2", couldn't afford stage 3 clutch?
If your car had more than 200 horsepower, 1:1 4th would be timed just well enough for the power band.
And yeah, friction parts on a gun aren't subjected to 200 degree heat as in a crank case. I saw the typo after posting. My mistake but the context of the sentence shoul dhave alerted you.
>>29307076
I just don't understand why anyone that's mechanically inclined would buy anything new, carbureted engines are 12 times easier to work on.
All these fucking Jap-shitters with their 5 speed manual bullshit, give me a TH350/TH400 anyday of the week and I'm content.
Whats the difference between nitrided and melonite'd bolts? Also, what do PSA uppers come with?
>>29307076
>potentiometers are jellybean parts formerly available even at dumps like radioshack, nerd
>availability determines use
>Using a dremel to remove the silencer tubing from the factory plastic box is what 16 year olds do.
>implying entirely removing the resonators and opening your 1.5 inch intake to a 4 inch intake and running it out into the fender doesn't add horsepower and MPG
>You bought a $13 arduino, probably loaded it with code from the internet and wiring it to some vtecforum post. That doesn't mean you know how to code nor does it mean you know what you're doing.
>coding matters when working on cars
>20 ton shop press, we're impressed you got your tools at harbor frieght. Do you use it to crack open walnuts too?
>ignoring the point
>ignoring that you claimed I don't work on cars
>implying having tools is somehow bad
City faggot
>stage xxx" is madeup marketing shit for aftermarket parts to sell crap to morons. GG buying "stage2", couldn't afford stage 3 clutch?
Spec Stage 2 is a specific brand and model for my car
Stage 2 refers to more grip than the stock, but not stage 3 where it drives like shit
Sorry you don't work on cars
>If your car had more than 200 horsepower, 1:1 4th would be timed just well enough for the power band.
It's not at 200 yet
It's a 4 cyl and you are making broad assumptions on power band in a manual, fukkboi
every car is different
>And yeah, friction parts on a gun aren't subjected to 200 degree heat as in a crank case
I went back through the posts and I'm not sure where this is relevant
We were talking about a guy claiming detergents ruin gaskets and the break down of oil in ANY length of time that's ever relevant to common use
>>29307011
>removing knuckle bearings
>wasting your fucking time when you shoulda just replaced the assembly cuz it's fucked soon anyway
K den
>potentiometer
>sensor
Yep, shitposter detected. You have no idea what you're doing.
>for better airflow
Under the hood?
>wanting a lighter flywhewa
>an aluminum flywheel
>removing a gear
Have fun warping that shit to kingdom come.
>>29307149
same thing for all intensive purposes
Uppers are anodized
>>29307171
>implying you can buy fucking steering knuckles
Okay bud, I paid for a $30 part, not a $500 part that the dealership may or may not have
And I'm not going to the junkyard to take the fucker off another car
Steering knuckles are nothing but chunks of steel and the only bearing in it is the main wheel bearing
The strut, ball joint, and tie rod end bolt to it while the half shaft slides through the middle
>>29307025
That's exactly what I said
>>29307129
Sounds like somebody has never set a carb.
>>29307161
>4 cylinder
>modding anything for power
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>29307129
>why anyone that's mechanically inclined would buy anything new, carbureted engines are 12 times easier to work on.
because fuel injection is not that much harder if you're fine with replacing parts rather than refurbing them, and provides much better performance.
>>29307217
I'm not sure if we're taking bait right now or if this is some 16 year old trying too hard.
>>29307171
>>potentiometer
>>sensor
>Yep, shitposter detected. You have no idea what you're doing.
It's to fool the ECU into thinking the engine is colder or hotter and manually leaning out or enriching the fuel mixture
It's the same as tuning, but for people who don't want to spend thousands of dollars on paying someone for dyno time and tuning
>>for better airflow
>Under the hood?
You clearly don't know what cold air intakes are and what naturally aspirated motors have issues with which is resistance in their intakes
>>wanting a lighter flywhewa
>an aluminum flywheel
>removing a gear
>Have fun warping that shit to kingdom come.
>implying Fidanza flywheels aren't used fucking everywhere
>implying I'm removing the gear and not simply replacing it with something smaller so I have more acceleration
>>29307197
they have 600 horse focuses
they've put the 4 cyls to over 350
>>29307236
It's true though. I'd rather clean a fuel injector than fuck with float levels any day of the week.
>>29307278
cleaning a fuel injector is all of taking it out and soaking it
>>29298102
I'm depressed after seeing this poor Asian brother.
>>29307287
Yes.
Modern low maintenance systems are nice.
>>29307250
Since we're completely off topic, what is your sub-200 horsepower car that you're an expert tuner refusing to do it right instead of dyno-tuning?
You're fooling the ECU into thinking the stoichiometric ratio is off, but adding a gauge to tell you the "true" reading which will essentially tell you when you've fucked up.
Your "cold air" modification of cutting a big ass hold in the factory air box and adding some dryer vent to the fender won't do anything. Modern 4 cylinder engines are usually run pretty lean, messing with the air without touching the fuel supply is a good way to add additional wear and tear to the engine all for a whopping 1 horsepower to the wheels. Your greddy fart can added more than that.
>>29307250
>fooling the ecu
>not just fucking reprogramming it so you don't totally fuck your shit up and trip trouble codes
K den
>but muh cold airflow muh natural aspiration
Please tell me how taking the cover off your filter helps. Please, I'm waiting.
>lighter flywheel
>better acceleration
That's not how this works, anon. The flywheel exists only to give something stronk for the clutch to grab onto. Now, a lighter harmonic dampener would give you less valve float for when you rice out and floor it, but you replaced the flywheel instead. Well done anon, you wasted money and will soon have to fix your own mistake when that aluminum heat warps.
>mfw reading this shit
>>29307300
>expert tuner
Whoa bud, broad assumptions
I'm making the claim that I actually work on cars and that detergents DO NOT destroy gaskets
>stoichiometric ratio is off
Stoichiometric ratios never change as they are fixed values, what your car is actually running, however, does.
If I add a gauge to tell me if the car is running lean or rich, I can tell how far I go before I lean it out so far the car starts knocking
lean = power and MPG
>Your "cold air" modification of cutting a big ass hold in the factory air box and adding some dryer vent to the fender won't do anything
gud 1
They've been doing it to the car since 1998
It's called the Keman intake
It's better than K&Ns version
>messing with the air without touching the fuel supply is a good way to add additional wear and tear to the engine all for a whopping 1 horsepower to the wheels.
Naturally aspirated motors are not effected by more open intakes
Ram-air and turbo/supers without adding fuel fucks up engines
>>29307328
>Keman intake
ITS A FUCKING FORD ESCORT YOU GIGANTIC FLAMING FAGGOT
>>29307315
>>not just fucking reprogramming it so you don't totally fuck your shit up and trip trouble codes
>implying that doesn't cost money and isn't useless without dyno time
>Please tell me how taking the cover off your filter helps. Please, I'm waiting.
Because it necks down to a 1.5 inch intake from a 6 inch
Less resistance = less power loss on small engines
>That's not how this works, anon. The flywheel exists only to give something stronk for the clutch to grab onto. Now, a lighter harmonic dampener would give you less valve float for when you rice out and floor it, but you replaced the flywheel instead. Well done anon, you wasted money and will soon have to fix your own mistake when that aluminum heat warps.
A lighter flywheel is the exact same thing as putting smaller and lighter wheels on
It gives lower rotational resistance
And a clutch does not contact a flywheel, it contacts the friction plate
Only an idiot who can't drive a stick slips the clutch badly enough to warp a flywheel
>>29307351
sorry I don't drive an Automatic Toyota Avalon
>>29307360
Did you get your ZX2 from your grandma?
>>29307360
>the same as as smaller wheels
>rotational resistance
>the same as smaller wheels
>flywheel
>wheels
Logic checks out
>only an idiot will warp it
As I said, have fun.
>>29307197
>>29307278
>>29307217
How hard is it to fucking unscrew the eyelet and shake the car/truck around and see if any fuel sloshes out? Someone that thinks spending 20 minutes fucking with a carb as opposed to 2 hours pulling off a fuel rail is harder has more time than me.
>>29307388
as in rims you fucking nodriverslicense twat
>>29307399
Checking for problems isn't the same as trying to fucking tune one
What kind of coating do PSA bolts have?
>>29307414
That doesn't make it any better, buddy.
>>29307428
smaller aluminum rims will create less rolling resistance than 40 height steels will
That is a fact
>>29307421
go on PSA and look at the description
>>29296237
I use tw-25b paste. 800 rds and 3 months of sitting. Finally clean it and just wipes off with no corrosion or carbon build up.
I just lube the big and the barrel. Very light on the trigger group
>>29307418
Problems? Like the floats bottoming out or the choke fucking up? Not much that can go wrong with a Carb besides needing a rebuild every 50k miles or so.
>>29307328
Original point still stands. You got your first car from your mom or grandma, a 99 ford escort. You're trying to do under $30 (or free) mods to increase power, trying to break the big 200 at the crank.
You're using your dad's harbor freight press when he hasn't touched since you were born because your mom is a nagging whore.
You don't "work on cars" and know less about lubrication, grease and oil than I do about anime girls or ramen flavors.
>>29295987
Hoppes is actually a good cold weather lube if you ever have to.
How often will I need to lube a phosphate bolt carrier?
>>29307470
>You got your first car from your mom or grandma, a 99 ford escort
try 4th along with 2 motorcycles and a 4 wheeler
>You're trying to do under $30 (or free) mods to increase power, trying to break the big 200 at the crank.
...nooo I never said that
I will eventually get up over that, once it's tuned on a dyno with a turbo on it, but so long as it's not turbo'd a dyno and tune will never glean as much performance per dollar as these cheap mods will do for the time being
And I don't want to sink major power into the car until I have another reliable daily driver so if I blow this one up I have something to drive until I fix it
>You're using your dad's harbor freight press when he hasn't touched since you were born because your mom is a nagging whore.
I bought the press specifically to build AKs and do pressed in bearings, butnugget
>You don't "work on cars" and know less about lubrication, grease and oil than I do about anime girls or ramen flavors.
Ok bud, if you want to continue claiming that detergents eat gaskets and that it's not just worn cracked gaskets, by all means go ahead, but you'll be wrong until the end of time
>>29297702
principally the forward surfaces however. These are the surfaces that bear on the inside of the upper. They like a (very light) greasing.
>>29297709
Minnesota. I've let my rifles normalize to -46c before use. Honestly, I started the dry lube thing back when I was using CLP and Slip 2000, I haven't tried to run a Lucas Lubed AR in -40 weather, because I've been switching to dry lube from Christmas to the end of February for longer than I've been using Lucas.
>>29307530
Ey MN bro wassup
Drown everything in CLP. My rifles look like fucking muskets for the first few shots at the range. I love it.
>>29307651
that's bad for your barrel m8
>>29307678
nah
I just clean with CLP, towel dry the parts, then drip lube the rails, and sometimes the part of the bolt behind the locking lugs with Slip 2000.
If I'm hurting anything, fucked if I know, but after so many thousands of rounds I'm not noticing anything potentially catastrophic.
