6.5 vs 308
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looking to get a new bolt gun.
lets talk 308 vs 6.5
and other gen long range/ precision shooting
>>29286193
whatever man. get whatever you want. why you give a fuck what the nogunz retards here think? just get whatever you want fucktard.
>>29286193
> 6.5cm
> cm
I mean, if you want an anti-materiel autocannon, you do you I guess. alk to the ATF tho, it's probably a destructive device.
>>29286193
260 Remington
>>29286193
Stick to the High BC(.55+) VLD 6.5 140/143 grBullets. Hand loading them is your friend and push them to 2750+ at the barrel and you are Golden. Less recoil, Less drift, less drop(unless your really barrel burner status 308's),
>>29286607
CM is Creedmoor you fucking mongoloid.
>>29286701
Inability to spot jokes is a sign of the 'tism
>>29286734
It may be my fault. I triggered /tg/ earlier with a joke about injuns, too. Apparently my style doesn't translate well over text.
>>29286193
do it OP
>>29286193
What you are looking for is performance of power over distance instead of performance over power at the mussel rating. Having power is only good to carry the round, however power creates recoil, therefor reduces control which influences accuracy. At this point it does not matter how the round is 10 feet away, more so how it maintains performance over 500 meters.
>>29286734
It wasn't funny.
>>29286752
>What you are looking for is performance of power over distance instead of performance over power at the mussel rating. Having power is only good to carry the round, however power creates recoil, therefor reduces control which influences accuracy. At this point it does not matter how the round is 10 feet away, more so how it maintains performance over 500 meters.
>>29286758
Good thing humor isn't subjective, or you'd sound like a total ass pie right now.
>>29286342
This guy is right.
ok, i am building a rifle, it will be used for shooting of a bench most of the time, but also for popping prairie dogs.
going with 6.5,
i have two chassis / stock options.
basics of each are the same, but one is 5 lbs the other is 2.8lbs
the lighter one, does not have tooless adjustments ( like a magpul prs) or an included monopod.
( chassis are the mpa ba or the mpa ba lite)
tldr
heavy stock or lite stock all else almost equal.
>>29286964
If you aren't carrying it or trying to fit it into rules then get the heaviest everything you can. Especially with a varmint gun, you want recoil to be almost nothing so followups are easier. Barrel weight is your friend.
>>29286752
Hey are you a War Thunder dev?
>>29286989
even with the lite weight stock this gun will be pushing 11 pounds. with the full weight stock and monopod it will be 15.
>>29286607
>He thinks "cm" stands for centimeters.
oh look, another smug idiot
>>29286770
>>29287006
>Actual advice.
>Thinking that was a troll post.
Wow, I guess you guys are just too easy.
>>29287099
Just stop. That was embarrassing to read, and you know it.
>>29286752 sounds like a sperg trying to explain ballistics.
>>29287036
Good. 15lbs is good, that's like three lbs less than my AR.
>>29287198
what the fuck are you doing dude
243
>>29286752
>mussel rating
>>29287315
Dunno, last time I shot the NM course I cleaned 300 with 11x. Not that the .223 has much recoil but loading the hand-guards up with lead means I barely come off the target backer in recoil.
a 6.5mm caliber in the 6.5x47, 6.5CM, .260, 6.5x55 class has a trajectory and drift comparable to .300 WM
>>29286193
Are you planning on punching paper out past 800m or hunting past 500m? If so, those are near the maximum ranges for 7.62x51.
>>29289334
Target shooting with the 308 is common to 1000 yards but can't be considered ideal. I agree that 500 yards is pretty much the max hunting range I'd consider with the 308.
>>29287401
>Loading up your hand guards with lead
Anon pls explain
>>29289857
Heavier rifle means weaker recoil impulse.
>>29289874
No shit but... Are you putting fucking fishing weights in your rifle?
>>29289879
It is a part you can buy. Ray Vin used to make them, might still.
whiteoakarmament.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17727
>>29286193
If you're getting a midpower bolt gun, id suggest a 6.5x55 swede instead of the creedmoor.
>>29289955
This is good suggestion. CM is cool and all factory ammo is good but is also harder to find than mil chamberings. 6.5x55 is quite good, so is 6.5x47 which is quite similar to CM but Lapua sells brass for it.
>>29289980
Depends.
x55 is almost non exsistant in the states.
Creedmoor is easy to find, easier than x55. One can also make creedmoor brass from .308.
As OP posted 12 hours ago, hes mostly likely a burger.
>>29290022
I've seen 6.5x55 around, but it certainly might be area specific. Have you ever made 6.5CM from 308 brass? It's the biggest pain in the ass.
>>29290035
I have, its not any worse than anything else.
But creedmoor brass is easy to pick up anyway.
>>29290060
You have more patience than I. I'm willing to neck up, neck down and fireform but cut down ream out size twice and fireform sounds terrible.
>>29290035
It really isn't.
However I will say if you're gonna go with one of the 6.5 caliber rounds and you are reloading, go with 6.5×47 Lapua, because it's easier to make from 7.62×51 NATO brass and if you buy the actual Lapua brass you will be able to get a long life out of it. Furthermore, I suspect you will be able to get to a higher velocity accuracy node with 6.5×47L than the 6.5CM/.260Rem. 6.5 Swede might be able to get higher but if I remember correctly then you have to go with a long action and you have less magazine variable ability.
>>29290102
Norma makes creedmoor cases now too.
>>29286193
6.5x55mm Swede is top comfy moose remover
>>29290131
I honestly have never used Norma brass, what's the quality comperable to?
>>29290102
Yeah, any time I can buy factory brass from Lapua or Norma it becomes "my favorite round". I guess I just don't like reloading. I have someone else clean size and trim all my .223 brass so that all I have to do is prime it and stuff it.
Ok so I'm lazy. :)
>>29290181
Norma is good. Tends to be thinner walled than Lapua and maybe a slight bit less consistent but still well above everyone else. The thin wall can actually be a boon as you have more case capacity so if you are finding that you are running out of space for your favorite powder to push some heavy bullet you want to try then Norma brass might give you just that little bit extra.
>>29290022
I heard that 6.5x55 cuck edition is rather easy to find in the states.
>>29286193
7mm mag or gtfo
>>29290467
Easy is a relative term.
I can go down to the hardware store in town and get .260 Remington
If I want to drive to Cabelas 15 mins away I can get almost anything.
The advantage to the 6.5 creedmoor is that it fits in short action rifles, and can load the heavy bullets into it. The x55 can be loaded hotter. But if I want hot, ill go x284 norma or .26 nosler.
>>29287182
It seems to me you have never seen a ballistic chart in your life. Otherwise you would know what they are talking about.
I'd say 6.5, but I just bought a savage 308 for the same reason... 30cal bullets are way more expensive than the heavy 223 I have been loading though... Sheeet...
>>29291008
>ad hominem for damage control
Weak.
It know what they're talking about, they just can't explain it properly.
>"Whatever is well conceived is clearly said,
And the words to say it flow with ease." - Boileau
>>29286193
Go for the 6,5x47 lapua, it´s a good caliber if you load the rounds your self
>>29286193
.308 if you want ammo availability
6.5cm if you want slightly less wind deflection and drop
>>29290477
another follower of the church of latter day rem mag?
Op. Here
As i reload and find that to be half the fun im going with 6.5 creed.
Other than that i can decide between the mpa ba or the mpa ba lite chassis.
Do i save $175 and 3lbs of weight or do i want toolless adjustability
>>29292863
toolless adjustability is a waste IMO. If you are at a bench you can bring your tools, if you are in prone then adjustments are going to mess you up enough that you have to break out of position anyway.
>>29292863
>mpa ba
Also check out gotxring.com/chassis-systems/ good stuff, good price and a good guy making the stuff. His chassis gives you an accuracy bump on the Rem700 action compared to chassis systems that use a traditional recoil lug.
>>29287393
underrated post
>>29286193
I vote for 6.5 Lapua. You can use same magazines and bolts as with 308 Win but you get better ballistics.
>>29292906
Is the adjustability worth $85?
The lite stock has no monopod. The regular does. The monopod can be added to the lite for 90$
>>29294024
The rear mono pod isn't that useful, a rear bag is much better. The Light is still adjustable just with an allen key, and you are going to spend a day or two figuring out the LOP and cheek riser height then you'll never touch it again. Actually a tooled adjustment might be better as it won't slip while in a bag.
>>29287046
Capitalisation is the difference between Creedmoor (CM) and centimetres (cm). OP is an uneducated cunt who can't get his act together.
>>29294251
I never thought of it that way.
My only question.... Is the bolt removable with the rest up? On some chassis it is not.
>>29294341
Might not be, that's another reason I like the stuff from gotxring, you just pull the whole rear stock assembly out with a thumbscrew and the bolt follows.
Even if you can't get it out without lowering the riser having the right sized allen for all adjustments stuck to the side of the rifle somewhere makes more sense to me.
>>29294324
op has a bs in engineering, a masters in finance ans is working on his jd.
he just hates capital letters, just like you hate context
>>29294373
Thanks for the insight.
>>29294382
In-context it would not be unreasonable to interpret 6.5cm as 6.5 centimeters, you unwashed mong, which is the genesis of the comedy. All that schooling and you still don't get jokes. This is what's wrong with America.
>>29294592
no your whats wrong with america
>>29294616
No you are
>>29294592
Within the context of small arms yes it would. I'm not the OP and I think everyone in this thread is tired of you trying to justify your retardation.
If I were to say "thinking of a .308 or a Beowulf" would you think I was talking about a small arms cartridge vs an old English hero? No, that's unreasonable.
>>29294714
I mean, of course it's unreasonable. I don't think he'd really tolerate you flicking his trigger. Besides, the range is way better on a .308.
>>29286770
>What you are looking for is performance of power over distance instead of performance over power at the mussel rating.
I'm still trying to figure out where the mussel rating is, it sounds like a very interesting place.
>>29294382
OP clearly hasn't learned fuck-all about the English language from his long, hard years of education. Uppercut yourself OP, you humongous faggot.
>>29289926
>wanting to add weight to your rifle
>to reduce recoil
>on a FIVE FIVE SIX
>>29294887
Well I'm competing with a service rifle at the highest levels of competition so yeah, I want every single legal edge.
>>29294744
I figured it meant "muzzle velocity".
I think what he meant to say was that what matters isn't the kinetic energy you have at the muzzle, but how far you can carry that kinetic energy.
So basically a high school sperg trying to explain long range shooting to /k/. Or an Indian. It does sound like an Indian trying to explain something technical.
>>29294859
why am i a bunch of sticks?
>>29286734
>ironic jokes through text without an image or emoji
>>29294988
Irony cannot exist outside the Tibetan macaroni art interwebz board. You heard it here.
>>29295037
they dont exist here either
>>29295063
Not without reaction images I guess.
>>29294592
You're an autistic faggot and no, you're not a comedian. Why don't you fuck off and stop shitting up the thread.
>>29295210
Gotta shit somewhere, friendo.
>>29294972
Faggot: you like dick around and/or up your asshole and also your mouth.
>>29296085
Richard is the best dentist / proctologist combo in the greater metro area. Everyone likes him.
>>29296085
Oh wow. Guys, we got a serious thug up in here. Dude, are you 12?
>>29296234
i hope not... or else underage ban.
and he adds so much to every conversation.
>>29286193
6.5CM master race
>>29296558
Man you load those way far out. That's way over the COAL for the creedmoor (not that that's a problem, just surprising to see it that extreme).
>>29297489
Those aren't mine but I've found the Amax (and so I imagine the ELR bullet) to like either very little jump or jam, so if it's a factory barrel and has a lawyer throat then those look good.
>>29286193
6.5 cartridges are great for medium and short distance shooting (50 yards to over 600 yards) But you would be better off looking at something a bit larger if you want to move much past. .338 and .300 cartridges offer far more case volume and a better assortment of bullet weights and sizes.
>>29286193
8.6x70mm master race chiming in.
>>29297489
You obviously have no experience with the creedmoor. They are loaded at .015 under max oal.
>>29297669
> use under 600 yards
That's why 6.5 caliber is the current first choice for competition up to 1500 yards.
>>29297669
you're wrong though.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/04/best-10-shot-1000-yard-group-in-history-be-amazed/
>>29297669
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/10/12/best-rifle-caliber/
>>29286651
308 barrel life is better than 6.5 CM
308 ammo is cheaper
308 is easier to find
>>29286964
Get 223, why would you get 308 for varmint shooting?
>>29299747
Actually 6.5 creedmoor tends to be cheaper. Match ammo to match ammo.
http://www.venturamunitions.com/hornady-6-5-creedmoor-140gr-a-max-match-ammo-20-rounds/
http://www.venturamunitions.com/hornady-308-winchester-168gr-a-max-superformance-match-ammo-20-rounds/
>>29299805
http://www.freedomammunition.com/p-81592-freedom-match-308-winchester-762-nato-amax168-gr-100rd.aspx
>>29299805
http://www.rareammo.com/Hornady-Match-308-WIN-155gr-OTMBTHP_p_4775.html?variant=34857
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-gold-medal-308-win-ammo-175-gr-smkhp-gm762m2-p-3017.aspx
There's actually a ton of match 308 ammo that's sub $1/rd, I excluded all the steel case Hornady stuff and all the Prvi and IMI and PMC stuff.
For 6.5 CM, the cheapest Hornady 140gr Amax is $1.26/rd. There's also Winchester 140gr for $1.12/rd.
>>29299834
Not all match ammo is created equal.
Not that hornady is the end all be all.
For reloading, 6.5 will be cheaper, as 6.5 bullets are cheaper.
>>29299864
Are you including barrel life?
Are you sure that you get equal case life between 6.5 and 308?
Saving a couple cents per bullet might not be a good savings, not that it matters, my original point was more that it's possible to buy a case of cheap 308 and go work on skills, though for that, might as well get 223.
It costs me about 60 cents to reload top tier 6.5cm which is far superior to 308 match performance. None of us is limited to a single caliber, so shoot what makes you happy. Stop seeking affirmation from an anonymous message group.
>>29299947
>tfw subsidised norma ammo is the cheapest fmj ammo in norway
gotta love when the government support my shooting
