>Russian armored units based on the Armata Universal Combat Platform will get new upgraded active protection systems by the end of the year.
>The new ultraviolet (UV) detectors soon to be installed on T-14 Armata battle tanks and T-15 Armata heavy infantry fighting vehicles (IFV) can detect rockets and grenades approaching from any direction, thus drastically improving the vehicles’ active protection systems' efficiency.
From Izvestia, a world renowned source of factual information.
AHAHAHAHA Armata fags BTFO.
What it means is that Armata prototype has problems.
Armata is the F-35 of Russia.
>>29275582
So it's actually a good tank and people are nitpicking stupid shit that always comes with development and can be fixed?
>>29275627
Airforce F-35 won't even be operationally ready until post 2020.
That is a big fucking failure no matter which way you cut it.
For Armata we have yet to see. Mass production was only recently sanctioned.
>>29276291
Production is already underway.
>>29276359
Yes and it was sanctioned just a year ago.
Mass orders have yet to be delivered.
It is better to talk about a product when it is actually in service, else you will end up like the F-35 which has been 'almost ready' for service for the past 5 years.
>>29275551
>Armata Universal Combat Platform
>posting Koalitsiya on T-90 chassis
>>29276386
>He doesn't know T-90 is the Universal Combat Platform
>>29276291
>Airforce F-35 won't even be operationally ready until post 2020.
You do not comprehend the difference between IOC and FOC.
>>29276444
The difference between flying actual missions and just sitting in hangers is the only difference that actually matters.
Last time I checked the F-16/18s were the ones bombing angry goat farmers in the desert. Post 2020 is the earliest we will see F-35 kill its first mudslime.
>>29276405
>Armata Universal Combat Platform
>seven wheels
>learn to count to 7
>>29276405
>The 2S35 was initially reported as being based on the Armata Universal Combat Platform,[6] which in the case of the T-14 Armata and T-15 has seven road wheels. However, the 2S35's on display during the 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade and its rehearsals are not built on the Armata platform but rather on a six-wheeled platform that appears to be a T-90 derived chassis, and later production variants are expected to be based on the unified Armata chassis.[2][16]
>>29276484
tell us more of your moved goalposts
>>29275627
>*deposits 5 cents into account*
>>29275551
>>29275582
This means the stuff they had on the PROTOTYPES thus far were placeholders while the actual piece of equipment is being developed, not that the Armata is getting a early launch patch.
>>29277227
Bollocks
I played Armata on the Beta on Armored Warfare and it's not placeholders.
This was one of the reason why the MoD did not find the Armata satisfactory when it was released by UVZ, the FCS is tied to the radar of the APS, it can either use a radar proximity fused round for air bursting over targets or over shoot the target and home in using fins like Dinamika equipped rounds. But the problems included ground clutter which could cause the APS to be discharged negligently or cause the FCS to miscalculate.
Now they're putting changes for the APS but I wonder what changes they're doing for the FCS.
They're not cutting the radar out of the equation though, it is very much needed for their SIGMA network.
>>29275551
Nothing new here. Russian high tech electronics is 50% French and 40% Chinese. Apparently now they can't get French UV detectors and will probably buy Chinese.
>>29277757
Armata is using Agate MDT, 100% made in Russia. You can kiss goodbye to the crappy Catherine.
>>29277795
proofs?
>>29275551
Looks like they copying ideas from Iron Fist APS.
http://www.gd-ots.com/armament_systems/gs_aps_iron_fist.html
>Two independent sensing techniques:
radio frequency (RF) and passive infra-red (IR)
Radar and optical sensors working together. BASED Israel.
Armata is a cool concept and I'd be happy to see it evolved further and exported.
All the Armata hate on /k/ was always senseless, I never understood it. It's probably the future of tank building. It's also a project that I don't know if Russia is able to fully undertake right now, but I'm glad they produced some units as a test run at least.
>>29277795
Sure. 100% Russian. Just like Thales thermal imaging sight on T-90.
>>29277950
That is the counterpart to Catherine-FC(Thales IR) and it works better than Catherine.
Armata doesn't use any foreign piece. It's against the rules.
>>29278349
>That is the counterpart to Catherine-FC(Thales IR) and it works better than Catherine.
>>29277795
>> Goodbye Catherine
>> Most likely locally produced licensed Catherine-XP
Yup
At this point I would like to remind everyone that at the last Victory day Parade, Russia presented it's latest and gratest MBT. It stalled and had to be towed away by a T-72.
The lesson is you can paint Viper stripes on pile of shit but in the end it's only a nice looking pile of. You know. Shit.
>>29280098
Lol.
>>29280098
the unfamiliar driver pushed the parking break
They explained the problem
It drove away, couldn't be towed
>>29280211
Stop.
>>29280211
It stalled. Couldn't start again. Was towed away, at least the way I saw it and I was fucking there. Now go to bed Ivan.
>>29275551
>Tank is getting upgrades
>Armata fags BTFO.
What?...
>>29277585
Tell us more about SIGMA.
>>29279490
Jesus.
Does the biathlon include driving through a live minefield?
Absolute madmen...
>>29275551
Not surprising as Shtora showed itself to be incapable of stopping ancient TOWs
>>29280739
I like the webm where they're racing around a track and one of the T-72BM3s loses its track from a mild turn.
>>29280739
They did this.
>>29280758
You do realize the crew had it turned off, right?
>>29275627
In a word, yes.
Actually we don't know how good or bad it is, day/k/are will shitpost it into oblivion because Russian. Observe how they keep bringing up the jack-in-the-box issue, even though this one is designed to jack-in-the-box without the crew being harmed.
![CaKULOPWAAA5Hdh[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UoPTbTl.jpg "CaKULOPWAAA5Hdh[1].jpg")
>>29277950
They bought whole production line. This white 3rd gen
>>29277795
looks like Catherine XP. They build them in Volgograd.
>>29280758
Armata doesn't use Shtora. Newest T-72B3 doesn't use Shtora.
Armata had radar based Afganit APS. You can see radars and launchers on pictures of Armata's turret. "New ultraviolet (UV) detectors" sounds like newest devices, spotted on Syrian T-72 last month. So they use latest battle experience to modify their tanks.
Cool now if they can build a manned turret and reliable guns with better shells maybe someday Russia can have a chance at having a tank comparable to the wests 3 largest heavy hitters.
>>29282040
>can clearly see the eyes lit up when the turret turns
>b-b-b-b-but it was off!
k
>>29280783
>>29278634
>>29282183
Catherine XP has a black round thing on the top. Shape is the same simply for compatibility purposes.
>>29282040
I'm not that anon, but it seems rather a pointless feature to include a tank if you're not even going to turn it on.
>>29280246
>towed away
It clearly drove away by itself, you blind fuck
>>29280716
An upgraded Red AEGIS.
>>29280662
Tank is a prototype. They are finding shit that does not work as intended that is why they are adding shit.
That is why fags are BTFO since it is actually not working as intended.
>>29282681
>Cool now if they can build a manned turret and reliable guns with better shells maybe someday Russia can have a chance at having a tank comparable to the wests 3 largest heavy hitters.
So, go back to their level 20 years ago?
Nice try friend. How about actually advancing your tank designs instead of rehashing the same idea since the 50s and complaining when your competitor leaves you in the dust?
>>29280739
they had mine field stage
that moment when Russians tank lever got stuck on last lap so could turn only turn to one side, had to go thru mine field and still won.
>>29284857
>Tank is a prototype. They are finding shit that does not work as intended that is why they are adding shit.
>That is why fags are BTFO since it is actually not working as intended.
>Tank is a prototype.
> it is actually not working as intended.
>Tank is a prototype.
>Tank.
>is.
>a.
>prototype.
Holy shit senpai. double think much?
>>29282697
it has a audible glow when it is turned on. does this look on to you?
>>29285395
Are you mocking me?
>>29276444
No plane enters combat until passing IOT&E
>>29286124
Just a reminder about /k/ knowledge
>>29286121
>audible glow
Thats some loud light.
>>29285395
The detail you are missing is when these flaws were pointed out in the past, red faced screams of NYET! were what you got in return.
>>29280246
>trying this hard
>>29282805
>arabs
>>29287073
>arabs
Blaming them because the super extreme beautiful slav tech didn't work, yup
>>29286487
Have you ever heard of "Humour"?
>>29275582
So Armata is a disastrous boondoggle with zero practical application, outmatched by the vehicles it's supposed to replace in every conceivable way?
>>29286487
Oddly enough both of those are my posts
>>29287839
Yes
Unmanned turret =no loader. Loaders are what makes American tanks superior.
Digital display= not as good as mk.2 eyeball.
Mountain brake= unneeded. No tank is going up a mountain.
>>29287989
The proud American way is to keep upgrading a 40 year old design, bolting in new features as they become availible
>>29287989
You forgot glorious tungsten anti-personal shells with 600m of effective range. Nothing compared with stupid soviet HE.
Can Russia make FLIR sensors? They're still very difficult to make as you can't just use silicon chips to make sensors.
>>29288576
>Can Russia make FLIR sensors? They're still very difficult to make as you can't just use silicon chips to make sensors.
They have labs producing microbolometer matrices in small scale fit only for research and development. However with joint ventures with French company Thales they got a whole production line for even QWIP tech. based thermals>>29282183 where they could now then fabricate their own designs for mass-production.
>>29288040
>The proud American way is to keep upgrading a 40 year old design, bolting in new features as they become availible
Its not even just that. Its taking a deep look at the promising design from the Germans and as they say in the music industry "taking inspiration", that and outright buying it like their gun.
>>29288722
>Its not even just that. Its taking a deep look at the promising design from the Germans
What the fuck are you even on about?
Both the Leopard 2 and M1 are direct byproducts of the MBT-70 program. They're essentially two tanks that are designed to fulfill the same role with slightly different requirements.
>>29287308
>It's a joke dumbass! XDDDD
>>29288736
except already then germans knew that gas turbine was a technological dead end. by the time americans figured that out too they were long past any meaningful reforms. or actual warfighting for that matter
>>29288853
>Russian filename
>unironically posting an image from Mike Sparks page as proof of anything
>>29288853
tl:dr
Vanila M1 was shit. M1A2 and later are good. M1 design allows to change engine completely without a lot of troubles. Anyway, posting 2001 data in a discuss about modern and future tanks is a not bright idea.
>>29289082
i concur. bringing up obsolete 40+yo design in a thread about modern hardware was inconsiderate to begin with
>>29287308
Didn't work because it was turned off. By the crew. Arabs.
>>29288962
>from Mike Sparks page as proof of anything
It clearly say Carlton Meyer
>>29289194I see you took my comeback advice. However, you left yourself open again.
>>29289547
>knows nothing of g2mil
What about Chinese tanks?
>>29289767
What about them?
>>29285268
>rehashing ideas
>implying the Abrams, Challenger, and Leopard aren't already better then the T14 meme tank
Yawn. You can word anything to sound bad. But if you seriously think certain aspects of the "new advances" the T14 has make it better, you're fucking retarded. A manned turret is infenitley better then an unmanned one, that's the largest design flaw in the tank.
When you understand basic tank operations you'll see the light. But fact of the matter is that the lack of operational capability it has will forever keep it from being the best.
>>29290087
>Abrams
>better than T-14
>>29290061
What impresses you about the Chinese tanks?
For me it is the ZTZ 99, considered the elite among all tanks beneath the heavens and above the earth. Internet experts have concluded that this tank has no match anywhere in the world, it is considered 2 tiers better than the Abrams and is considered the most dangerous enemy of American helicopters.
>>29290087
Any tank with working APS is currently superior to those you listed.
This is the single biggest killer of tanks and without it and the various ATGMs floating around, all of those vehicles including the newest Abrams and Leopard 2 are vulnerable, even to stuff like Konkurs from 3 generations ago.
So IMO, the Merkava 4 is currently the best tank in the world, and once the T-14 is standardized, it might surpass it.
>>29290111
Sorry you disagree. But facts don't care about your feelings. Now gtfo /k/ if all you are going to do is shitpost.
>>29290210
And since Hillary Clinton started out handing out TOW-2As to any sand nigger promising to spank Assad, there is a large, uncontrolled amount of launchers and missiles out there that will kill any tank with no APS.
Thanks Hillary, thanks State Department.
>>29290210
The Abrams has mounting areas and circuits in the TC's CEU to install APS. Don't perpetuate the myth APS is a space magic reliable device without its flaws, and every vehicle should have it. If you made a stop all armor in the first place and don't rely on 3 levels of protection at exuberant coats then you can start talking about benefits. Western vehicles don't install APS because it's not needed in the battle sphere we operate in anyway. Our doctrine is better. Also APS doesn't contribute anything to your lethality, when the best defense is a good offense.
>>29289742
What about it?
>>29290269
>Western vehicles don't install APS because it's not needed in the battle sphere we operate in anyway.
Right. But imagine a war with an opponent that has ATGMs.
Scary right?
I love how Russia thinks we couldn't reverse-engineer their doomsday machine if we ever decided to.
And inevitably, our version would be much better.
>>29290394
Cause Sadam and Al Quesidilla had shit tons of those.
>>29290269
>Our doctrine is better.
>don't fight opponents with ATGMs
This is definitely good one doctrine. K.e.K.
>>29290198
Thanks, but you forgot "impressive" and the rest.
>>29290410
But we're too fat and lack krokodil-inspired fever dreams to compete! And for some reason I'm also a nazi khokol that turns captured Russians homogay.
>>29290550
Fun fact: they didn't
>>29290564
Russians did all the design work for us. Now all we have to do is rip off all the good ideas and throw out the bad.
Autoloaders, APS and ATGM is evil slav magic. Western tanks will oper8 in special battle spheres where superior doctrine, exuberant coats and mounting areas will protect them against myths and Yemeni sandalman with Soviet surplus rockets.
>>29276953
>not rubles
baka desu senpai
>2016
>your tanks still not having Autoloaders
What's your excuse Americlaps?
>>29290675
And Brits, and Israelis.
>>29290648
what a qt
>>29290744
Too poor to afford a complete upgrade of their fleets.
Challenger 3 might even happen anyway. Brits will probably buy M1A3. It wouldn't be their first program that they abandoned for cheaper American stuff.
>>29290675
Operation Desert Storm
>>29290648
What is this low energy mess you're spewing?
>>29290675
Autoloaders aren't better.
>>29290675
Reducing the number of crew inevitably puts more of a burden on them if one gets injured.
>>29291317
That's too bad. Good thing autoloader can't get tired or injured then.
>>29291396
It can however be damaged.
Or you could have 3 spare loaders available.
The logic is pretty basic.
If you lose the autoloader, you don't have 3 extra autoloaders to replace it. If you lose your manual loader, you have 3 potential replacement loaders for him.
>>29291425
>3 spare loaders
As in they head back to base or do you imply that the TC should take over the loaders roll and therefore degrade the tanks combat effectiveness (already degraded anyway since one crewmember is dead)?
Autoloader or not, If you lose a crewmember in the midst of combat then things are going bad. It will not just be a crewmember but also other parts inside the tank that gets fucked up and there is a dead body inside the tank blocking your way for replacing him.
Now if you mean that you somehow win the fight and then headback to base you can replace the loader with a new loader. Or replace damaged parts of the autoloader because it's a fucking machine.
>>29290550
Umm, wrong.
How many ATGM hits did US armor register in all of OIF and Desert Storm?
Probably less than 10. Maybe less than 5.
>>29291425
>If you lose the autoloader,
You have 3 manual replacements just as well. The difference being, in a vast majority of combat scenarios where autoloader doesn't lose functionality, you have fast, reliable, consistent automated system that performs equally well in any conditions, doesn't require extra space, never gets tired, shell shocked, wounded or wants to take a piss. And doesn't need adrenaline boost or a whipping like a 19K negro would.
Who am I preaching to, that's like teaching gallic barbarians to hold cohort.
>>29291567
And how many of the ATGM kill videos involve unsupported, unaware tanks sitting out in the open?
>>29291598
You're still short a man. You're putting a completely avoidable burden on the other 3 guys.
>>29291396
>can't get injured
And what if the mechanism gets damaged? You can't load the gun, and at the very worst, the round will misfire and blow the turret to kingdom come. Even if the tank doesn't go up in a fireball from a round that detonated in the chamber or punched a hole in the barrel, the mechanism isn't field-repairable for the majority of situations. Then your Ruskie ass gets flanked and destroyed because your precious autoloader didn't do its job.
Not only that, I'd say it's more expensive to maintain autoloaders and produce spare parts for them in the long run. That's a lot of tanks you have to be able to service if they get damaged.
Manned loading is far superior in that it's far less fragile. All you have to do is install some spall lining and blowout panels and you're good to go. Of course, it's a little more complicated than that but the general message is that it's a lot simpler and easier to protect.
Friendly reminder.
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/03/missile-defense-for-tanks-raytheon-quick-kill-vs-israeli-trophy/
>After two decades of dithering and delay, the Army wants to give its armored vehicles the ability to shoot down incoming anti-tank missiles. What’s more, while the service will continue its own long-term, in-house research program, the Army is now willing to accept something “not invented here” so it can get an interim Active Protection System (APS) fielded in two years.
>>29291609
I'm missing the point here. What are you saying?
>>29291610
How is it avoidable when your alternative of a broken autoloader leaves you with a non functional weapon?
>>29291671
Your claim that Americans never faced ATGM's because they limited the ability to use ATGM's against them.
>>29291685
Having four guys makes it easier to do ALL tasks, just not loading. You're missing the big picture.
>>29291713
Are you a native speaker. I still have no clue what you're talking about.
Type it in your native language and I will use Google Translate to figure it out.
>>29291778
Not even him but you are one retarded nig tbqh fami
>>29290217
>pulls stuff straight of his ass
>accuses others in shitposting
Facts are, the Abrams never got to defeat anything other than watered down T-72s at best, and that was with established air superiority and A-10s flying around and doing work. At the same time, it has proven it remains vulnerable to ATGMs, you can't count on passive armour to do the trick, unless you want to make the tank even heavier than it already is. And since unmanned turrets are yet to see proper action, no one can say for sure if they work or not.
>>29290410
>T-14
lol nice find
>>29291737
You can have 4 guys and still have an autoloader
>>29290269
And what if the enemy also relies on a powerful offense, uses his big toys aggressively and doesn't dig in, waiting to be destroyed? Sure, APS might not work EVERY time, but there are no 100% reliable systems anyway, and better to have it and don't need it, than need it, but not have it.
>>29292396
>you can't count on passive armour to do the trick,
Just like APS then.
>>29292947
That's why you use both, silly.
>>29290087
>Yawn. You can word anything to sound bad. But if you seriously think certain aspects of the "new advances" the T14 has make it better, you're fucking retarded. A manned turret is infenitley better then an unmanned one, that's the largest design flaw in the tank.
Next you are going to say horses are better than tracks because they feed on grass and can sustain their numbers naturally so muh eternal engine!
Engie are you Amish? Because that what your argument boils down to- Neo Luddite crap.
>When you understand basic tank operations you'll see the light. But fact of the matter is that the lack of operational capability it has will forever keep it from being the best.
yawn.
>>29291425
>>29291598
>You have 3 manual replacements just as well
Bullshit. You don't. Only the TC can easily get to the Loader's station while the other two stay, else the tank can't shoot or move.
And when he does, the tank loses its ability to communicate with the rest of the unit effectively nor coordinate the crews' actions well- you might as well call it a mission kill.
>>29290210
>So IMO, the Merkava 4 is currently the best tank in the world, and once the T-14 is standardized, it might surpass it.
The problem with the Merk 4 is the deficient armor in the massive front hull. Their APS can't intercept APFSDS so anything halfway decent is definitely going to core that massive front hull and kill the tank when it punches holes in the ammo canisters and cooks the ammo off.
Its bretty good for Abdul and his smuggled ATGMs, but for John, Hans or Vlad all they have to do is concentrate fire on that massive front hull and boom, instant burning bush.
>>29290087
>A manned turret is infenitley better then an unmanned one, that's the largest design flaw in the tank.
The fox and the fucking grapes.
>>29291612
>And what if the mechanism gets damaged?
And what is you mom is a whore? Autoloaders in use for almost 50 years. 50 YEARS. This mechanism in use longer than Airbags and Anti-lock braking system n your fucking car. And it's not like you will refuse to have this systems in your car because they MAY break. For years and years and years of usage this tech modified to the point of absolute reliability. Properly maintained autoloader doesn't break. To break it you need damaged tank so bad, that autoloader failure will be the last problem of crew. In T-14 case, to hit autoloader you need to penetrate crew armored capsule OR penetrate from top destroying main weapon first.
> I'd say it's more expensive to maintain autoloaders and produce spare parts for them in the long run
Like nigga-loader doesn't eat or drink and has no need in salary. Your statement on nothing. When US and Germans putted they requirements for MBT-70, they wanted autoloader for a reason. And people who wanted it were far more competent than you.
>>29295041
I'm referring to something known as "cross-training". The 3 crewmembers should be able to do each other's jobs.
>>29290515
>>29294928
>>29295161
I find it curious no one ever tries to actually refute the reasons he has given in various threads.
>>29295238
>When US and Germans putted they requirements for MBT-70, they wanted autoloader for a reason. And people who wanted it were far more competent than you.
The fact that those competent people went back to a human loader speaks volumes.
>>29295372
That speaks that glorious American engineers failed. German autoloader worked fine.
>>29295247
>I'm referring to something known as "cross-training". The 3 crewmembers should be able to do each other's jobs.
Doesn't change the fact that you need a man working behind every station so the tank can effectively do its tasks.
>>29291612
>the round will misfire and blow the turret to kingdom come
rounds don't misfire just sitting there, you need to trigger(electric/percussion, take your pick) them dumbass.
>Even if the tank doesn't go up in a fireball from a round that detonated in the chamber or punched a hole in the barrel,
ahahahaha. this is golden. to think that a specific chamber made for containing explosions in one direction would be in trouble doing just that.
>Then your Ruskie ass gets flanked and destroyed because your precious autoloader didn't do its job.
What does the AL malfunctioning have to do with getting flanked? getting flanked is a failure on your part to seek a favorable position- its a mobility thing.
>Not only that, I'd say it's more expensive to maintain autoloaders and produce spare parts for them in the long run
confirmed for not seeing any pic of AL. Those things don't look anything a halfway decent technical school can shit out.
>Manned loading is far superior in that it's far less fragile.
they are? >>29295238
Any hit that actually manages to damage the autoloader is going to be bad enough that the rest of the tank is nonfunctional. The same cannot be said of a loader that can get knocked about or injured by spalling even from a nonpenetrating hit.
>>29295467
The autoloader was the same, and Germany went back to a human loader for the Leopard 2.
>>29295348
>I find it curious no one ever tries to actually refute the reasons he has given in various threads.
That's because he doesn't even put forth a credible argument in the first place.
All he does is hide behind some basic but vague sounding BS sprinkled with easily googled technical terms to make it sound like he knows shit- when in fact he doesn't.
Dude's like the Pardoner from Canterbury's Tales.
>>29295563
Modern tanks don't spall, and crew quarters are specifically designed to allow the crew to survive external shocks.
>>29275551
so why dont tanks fire like kalashnikovs or something.
am a slav, only fired some basics like PKM, M 70, some pistols, dont know anything about tanks, is it possible?
it would be quite amazing.
>>29295609
>The autoloader was the same, and Germany went back to a human loader for the Leopard 2.
Apart from ensuring that the West doesn't have a credible answer to the latest Soviet tanks being shat out and operating in numbers at the time for the most of the 70s, the MBT-70 failure also poisoned the German and American tank makers from implementing novel concepts.
When you need a new tank 10 years ago you go back to what already works and what is proven- which is why the Leo 2 has a conventional manned turret, a diesel engine, a loader, and torsion bar suspension, among many other things.
>>29295711
And sometimes you go back to what already works and what is proven because the 'innovation' turned out to not be worthwhile.
>>29295613
Except I have more time on tanks then you have on internet.
/k/ is fucking retarded anyway, they would rather believe half truths, fallacy, or blatant misinformation then actually listen to facts. There's no point in arguing with idiots who are unwaiverable in their ideology they are always right. I can answer a question with V, W, X and Y reasons, but because of lonely Z I am somehow magically wrong on all accounts. /k/ isn't worth arguing with. TankSGT has more experience then me and even he is driven off by the fermenting shit some of you shitposters type.
>>29296870
>There's no point in arguing with idiots who are unwaiverable in their ideology they are always right.
I wonder if you see the irony.
>>29296811
>Except I have more time on tanks then you have on internet.
>implying this helps his argument one bit.
>>29296870
>/k/ is fucking retarded anyway, they would rather believe half truths, fallacy, or blatant misinformation then actually listen to facts. There's no point in arguing with idiots who are unwaiverable in their ideology they are always right. I can answer a question with V, W, X and Y reasons, but because of lonely Z I am somehow magically wrong on all accounts. /k/ isn't worth arguing with. TankSGT has more experience then me and even he is driven off by the fermenting shit some of you shitposters type.
>projecting himself this hard.
pathetic. par for the course for tripfags tho.
>>29296967
>implying
Or don't bother to prove anything I say wrong. That works too.
>>29295348
Because you don't indugle attention craving tripwhores.
>>29291612
There is a different scenario.
>T-14 with its AESA radar locks on M1A2
>fires it 3UBK21 Sprinter ATGM from 4-5kms away
>The M1A2 can't engage because superior american tanks don't need radars and ATGMs
>ATGM may not penetrate or kill but badly damage M1A2 and stuns the crew
>lightweight and mobile T-14 moves is on M1A2 and fires Vacuum-2 Sabots
>slow and clumsy M1A2 can't outflank it because americans like their tanks maneuverable as a pregnant cow
>2A82-1M can fire rounds faster with its autoloader
>L/44 niggerloader quickly tires and fumbles after being stunned from subsequent impacts.
>T-14 AESA picks up the projectiles and the APS would engage them. The ERA and Composite armor absorb the rest
>battered M1A2 takes all hits outright because god-fearing americans have no need in your vodoo APS or magic ERA
>T-14 performs fatality and M1A2 crew burns alive inside an armored mangal
Once again, the machine proves it's superiority over human.
>>29297567
>T-14 with its AESA radar locks on M1A2
>thread about the T-14 needing UV sensors because its radar is getting boned by ground clutter
I know you were having a bit of fun but it ruins it when you fuck up like that right at the start.
>>29297672
>UV sensors meant as a countermeasure against EW somehow magically takes radar out of the equation alltogether
mkay
>>29297810
I like your omission of the ground clutter issue.
>>29297567
>t-14s destroyed by air attack
>m1a2 used to support ground forces once airforce destroys all armored threats
Let's adjust this for modern combat.
>>29297567
Honestly, there is no trustful data about T-14 and radar as a part of FCS. They've got radar as a part of APS that is confirmed. There was some rumors that they dropped that idea because of price.
Just want to say that the UV detectors are there to complement the radar. If the detectors find a plume or anything resembling a launched projectile, it should alert the radar regarding the location and speed of the projectile, this is so the radar can focus the APS on the target.
In the end the AESA radar stays. With regard to the FCS, as long as the gunner points the gun at the target, I don't thing ground clutter would be much of a problem, as long as the target has been selected by the commander or gunner.
On the topic of tanks , is there any info on the performance of the t90's in syria?
>>29298393
It was very bad. The killing of t90 by a tow caused russia to pull back air force from syria. A dailymail post says the missile only cost 60k but killed a 4million tank. What embarassment.
>>29299307
>killed a 4million tank
Except there's no follow-up with a burning tank / flying turret. Why the hell do you get the idea that it was killed? All I see is the dumb arab gunner not closing his goddamn hatch, getting shell shocked and running as hell.
>>29299402
Base tank is 1.2million but optics and training for arabs is more expensive not to mention the ire of ukraine.
>>29299415
~ 2 mil. $ in 2011 per tank, with optics. I can't see how training 3 arabs could cost 2 million dollars. We don't even know if it suffered any critical damage for fuck sakes.
>>29299415
>training for arabs is more expensive
Maybe for Saudi princes, the vast majority still get peanuts (and even then it's overpaying).
>>29299415
>training for arabs
There is info, that crew of T-90s was from Iran.
>>29290555
>Kill every ATGM platform and person carrying them from the air before the tanks have unloaded from cargo ships.
If it ain't broke.
>>29299556
This works only in sandniggers , other actually competent armies would massacre the aircraft
>>29299616
""on
>>29282040
it was turned on you stupid nigger
The welds, man, the welds.
>>29299816
>cover the russian welds up with plastic
we next gen now
>>29299816
>move to a heavy reliance on APS for protection
>protect the APS radars and shit with something that even grenade splinters can go through
for what purpose?
>>29299616
I dunno, even Georgianiggers managed to BTFO of the VVS.
>>29299799
It clearly wasn't you dumb blind fuck.
>>29280246
>a new tank has teething problems
oh wow big loss, it got towed off
now try towing off the F-35 when the software bugs out and it stalls above a parade
>>29299879
>not a single F-35 has crashed at all
>Meanwhile brand new supertank comes out during a victory parade
>Immediately breaks down
>IS OF NOTHING COMRADE
Not to mention only those that are weak feel the need to do military parades anymore.
>>29299885
Military parades are about patriotism and national unity. Celebrating important days in a Nations history.
America is too busy collapsing into degeneracy and racial unrest to have anything like that.
>>29299893
Russia beat them in degeneracy a long time ago and never looked back, and military parades have always been about keeping the populace in line.
>>29299569
the t90 is super small, i didn't imagine there could be such a difference in size with other tanks.
>>29299849
I doubt that the russian VVS was at the same level it is now. The russkies have improved by quite a bit
>>29299879
>it got towed off
It didn't, retard.
>>29299885
>not a single F-35 has crashed at all
Kek.
>during a victory parade
During a rehearsal of a parade.
>breaks down
It's either magic russian tank repairs itself and drives away after breaking down, or it's that you're full of shit and it's a driver experienced with the new tech hitting the brakes. Chose one, but do it wisely.
>>29299949
Ah yes, the aftermath of adopting glorious liberal values of the west in the 90s is indeed still showing up. Fuck off back to /pol though.
>>29300082
>the aftermath of adopting glorious liberal values of the west in the 90s
ayy lmao
>>29300082
>blame the white man for all their own problems
indeed, russians are bleached niggers
>>29300371
westerners and jews did a lot of bullshit after the USSR fell
>>29300400
hahahahahahaha
bullshit
>>29300409
its why putin had to exile and kill so many kike oligarchs
and why their economy went so shit
>>29299569
>The T14 also incorporates revolutionary, new design practices not put into tanks in service. The Armata's utilizes it's modular design to become a massive tactical paperweight when it's Fire Control System or power pack get taken offline. Western tanks maintain the ability to fire their weapons systems without any hydraluc pressure or electricity flowing inside the vehicle. The design team behind the new MBT maintains that the West has suffered from this ability for years. The T14 is fierce, and to not be compared to from other tanksbof it's class, as it clearly offers so much more in its capability.
>>29300400
>everyone is corrupt and no one is enforcing our laws! the west must be why our company sold out to jews and fucked us over!
NPR had a story on this the other day.
It's your own snownigger corruption.
>>29275551
Whats wrong with their old vehicles?
>>29300082
This is getting boring, vatnik
>>29301609
You must be Finnish to be so retarded. Your picture shows a BREM-1 TRYING to pull a T-14.
Now show me a video of it being pulled away by the BREM-1. Good luck with that by the way.
>>29301609
The shill is right though, they couldn't even move the tank with a brem, and it would appear that it did later leave the square on its own.
>>29301383
Nothing. T-90A is the best MBT in existence. Shift in doctrine dictates revolutionary leap of armor development and entirely new types of vehicles to enforce it.
>>29301748
This is the video of the situation that is taking place in his picture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJzuo2TsfM
And then 3 minutes later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8XkVBLbn0&t=10m15s
Of course according to Russian haters, it caught on fire, blew up and the crew died wounding the crowd watching. But that's something we already expect. The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.
>>29291317
Then why not just out a bunch of guys who are only there for replacements in the tank so that if some guy gets hurt they can keep going. It might also allow the tank to operate 24 hours because having enough people means whoever needs to be replaced to sleep can
>>29292627
My gf uses big toys
>>29301609
Dumb fucking burger, holy shit.
>>29302363
I want a burger
>>29296870
>There's no point in arguing with idiots who are unwaiverable in their ideology they are always right.
>>29302363
Enter the world of Slav damage control. Fucking uninformed cucks.
>>29302025
good brakes, even BREM could move it.
Later it was told that drives accidentally activated hand brake.
>>29302486
Like flat earthers in their natural habitat. People who refuse to believe the earth is round. Like people refuse to believe the T14 is anything worse than 5th or 6th in the hierarchy of the world's best MBTs
>>29301383
>Whats wrong with their old vehicles?
Old vehicles were build for nuclear WWIII.
>War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear.
New machines will be build for network-centric warfare, something, that US failed to do with FCS program.
>>29303472
>Like people refuse to believe the T14 is anything worse than 5th or 6th in the hierarchy of the world's best MBTs
>new gen armor
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
>most powerful serial produced 125mm cannon on planet
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
>APS like no one other vehicle have
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
>network-centric FCS with options of remote control and elements of AI
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
>modular design for mass production on worlds last tank conveyor production line
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
>longest APDS for the most powerful cannon and HE shells capable to penetrate of 1m RHA
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
>roof thickness enough to hold standard dump cluster ammunition
>look, it broke on parade, vatniks BTFO
Russians and The Road Not Taken (For Good Reasons);
>>29304023
>US does dumb shit because of silly doctrinal decisions, personal bias of Generals, congress killing programs, and lobbying of the MIC
>Hurr this is the ONLY and BEST way to do stuff
no
>>29304050
You need some salo to all that salt? If need arise the Lima factory will upgrade thousands Abrams tanks in no time. As You can see, the tech is already here. All we need is excessive amoun of money, money and money. Oh. Sorry, poorfag.
Enjoy Your sanctions.
>>29304101
cuz USA can print infinity amount of money, right?
and tank upgrade takes same time as changing tires on your car.
USA is future taper tiger.
>>29303629
Hey look more memes. Do we debunk them for the 30th time or do we collectively sigh and roll our eyes? I am just going to sigh. Russia is now 1 decade behind the US instead of 2. Improvement =/= better.
