Guys. My dad is looking at purchasing a firearm and he keeps looking at Fudd rounds (.243, .270, 22-250 etc.) I keep telling him that practically speaking he should get something cheaper and more available especially since he doesn't reload but he won't listen.
What do? Why do people fall for all of these fucking meme cartridges?
>more available
>implying during the height of the panics fudd calibers weren't more available and relatively stable in price
>>29269243
Take a look at .223 versus 22-250 prices right now.
>>29269259
>available
>stable in price
Where did I ever say it was cheaper, you illiterate memer?
>>29269259
This. What gun he thinking of? Tell him about a Mini-14. Or meme him into a Mosin.
>>29269273
>cherrypicking
Stop being such a contrarian ass
>inb4 brass vs steel
Check brass prices still a huge difference
>>29269274
Right now he's looking at a savage bolt action in 22-250 and he was also looking at a couple other calibers (25-06 and some mentioned in op).
I'm not sure what he's even going to use the gun for honestly which is why I don't know why he's looking at these fucking calibers.
He was first looking at a Springfield 1911 but as I understand he's deciding between a pistol and a "hunting" gun.
Also I'm not sure what the savage is called exactly, I want to say it's trophy hunter or something like that but I can't remember.
>>29269317
I'm not cherrypicking, the market for common calibers is volatile as fuck based on political climate. Do you not remember Walmart looking like pic related for more than a year?
Fudd rounds tend to shoot flatter and retain more velocity at range than .223 along with resisting wind better. If he's using a bolt action then he's not going to burn through 200 rounds every range trip. As a casual "shooting stuff" gun .22-250 or .270 Winchester is fine.
>>29269182
>>29269182
If he is hunting, .243 and .270 are some of the best all around cartridges for small to medium game on the planet. Your dad knows more than you, faggot. It ain't all about mag dumping at a target 10 yards away like an autist, like you probably do.
Why does everything have to be a military caliber? I shoot my 243 win better that any of my other guns.
>>29269370
So instead of buying the more available and cheaper caliber now buy something that is not as common and far more expensive because of the rare chance that something happens where you can't buy .223?
That's retarded in my opinion, especially since he can just buy 500 rounds of .223 now and that will last him a long while.
I also really doubt he'll notice that 22-250 is slightly flatter shooting than .223, and I don't see where that justifies the cost.
>>29269395
Those opinions will do you fine when you can get a firearm.
>>29269259
The 22-250 has superior ballistics.
>>29269372
I never said they weren't decent cartridges retard but go ahead and look at the fucking prices on your Fudd round faggot.
And trust me he doesn't know more than me, not even close.
>>29269415
>it's very slightly flatter shooting and a little more powerful
>this justifies it being twice the price per round
>>29269395
22-250 can be found in every gun store in America you fuckin idiot
>>29269430
That's fucking great fag and you're going to be paying twice the fucking price as .223 for a round that is just slightly better.
>>29269243
That only makes sense if you shoot very regularly and don't have the money to buy in bulk between scares. Buying 10K rounds of .223 is going to cost less and it'll last most people a quite a while. An ounce of preparation is worth a pound of cure kind of thing
>>29269418
Settle down son, that's enough.
Your dad is a grown man and can buy whatever he wants. He doesn't need your opinion.
>>29269425
If that's what he wants then yeah, if I'm shooting coyotes or prarie dog I'd rather have a 22-250, it is far more effective on target and easier to hit with at range.
anyone who doesn't own an AR is a fucking idiot
>>29269456
It's not about my dad only it's about this whole idea that boomers think you can't hunt with military calibers or military firearms and this whole Fudd caliber shit.
I see this everywhere. I have pretty much accepted my dad won't listen to me even when he asks for my advice and thoughts, that's fine, he can enjoy his gun, still wanted to talk about the topic.
>>29269447
.223 and .556 are always bought out first during panic buy, it is more available and obviously costs more because of more materials.
>trying to compare prices of hunting soft-point with cheapshit bulk FMJ
.223 soft points and hollowpoints cost about the same as .22-250, lighten up.
>>29269491
>more materials
What are you talking about?
Like I and others have already said too, you can just buy fucking .223 now and have more than you'll shoot for a long while and it will be way cheaper.
If you're trying to squeeze precision out of a bolt rifle, you'll be buying premium ammo anyway if you're too casual to handload.
>>29269472
Holy fuck you are a sperg, hunting rounds are specialized for killing shit. Obviously you can hunt with .223 and .556 bUT just because the military uses it doesn't mean it's superior.
>>29269418
His goal might not be to mag dump 100 rounds in 5 minutes like a faggot such as you.
>>29269509
I never said it was superior if you'd fucking read I said that 22-250 is better for hunting, but my point was the slight difference didn't justify the extra price, less choice of ammo etc.
>.223 isn't specialized for killing shit
lol it's a fucking intermediate rifle round, what do you think it's designed for? Tickling?
>>29269505
What if I want a more capable round than .223? The brass and powder that is required for a 22-250 is greater than .223 therefore for similar ammunition a 22-250 will be more expensive, how hard is this to grasp.
>>29269514
>hurr you only care about ammo prices if you mag dump
Shut the fuck up you stupid nigger
>>29269525
The slight increase in cost for a little more powder and brass doesn't nearly double the cost of the round
Also if you ever want to just shoot shit and plink around ever with that gun you won't be able to get cheap steel cased shit like you can with .223
>>29269524
What's better for killing cape buffalo and elephants your fuckin 556 or .416 rigby. It's specifically designed to accomplish a goal, 22-250 is superior for hunting than 556 just as 556 is better for a battlefield.
>>29269541
Whoops wrong dude.>>29269525
>>29269541
I NEVER SAID IT WASNT SUPERIOR
I said the slight advantage didn't justify giving up ammo choice and the cheap ammo for it.
>comparing this to African game rounds
You're a fucking retard
>hurr durr the only calibers are 9mm, 5.56 and .308
Kill yourself
>>29269559
>reading comprehension
>>29269540
A soft point .223 designed for varmint hunting is closer in cost to a similarly designed 22-250. The fact that everybody everywhere produces brass in high quantities for 556 223 may also be a significant factor in price. Just as special snowflake calibers can be more expensive than 30-06 but use a similar amount of materials.
>>29269182
6mm is probably my favorite calbur, you can do a lot of jobs with it. Something in that cheap like .243 would be just fine for a bolt gun.
>>29269551
>>29269549
Easy tiger I made a mistake relax.
>>29269507
>precision
>too casual to handload
choose one
>>29269575
Even if soft point brass is closer in cost 22-250 is still more, and then you give up the option to shoot really cheap steel cased and tons of other sorts of ammo.
>>29269594
That is sometimes a price people are willing to pay for the advantages that stuff like 22 250 have to offer, if you were going purely on cost or having only a single rifle then 556 is superior in cost.
>>29269182
Well, what does he plan to do with this gun? That right there should answer your fucking question. From a ballistics standpoint, Typical military calibers (which realistically are what you're talking about) aren't necessarily the best for every application. Dropping a deer with .270 Win is just as doable as .308, possibly easier at range since the .270 drops less. .243 Win is a motherfucker of a varmint round, and arguable drops coyotes better then .223. As for .22-250, maybe he likes shooting out his barrel every few thousand rounds, who the fuck are you to judge?
>>29269370
Tell him to get a .270 very flat shooting, great for deer, heavy loads can even take down an elk.
>>29269624
This will be his only centerfire rifle.
>>29269639
Is 22-250 known for shooting out barrels? I didn't know that
So if he is going for a Fudd caliber is .243 a good one to choose?
>>29269697
>>29269697
It's a retardedly fast .22 caliber round. The barrels tend to wear out much faster, due to the rounds higher velocity. The .243 isn't a bad choice by any stretch of the imagination. With that, you can take anything from coyotes to deer, but I wouldn't try anything bigger than that.
>>29269732
So far I'm liking .243 and .270 the most out of his choices but I don't know much about 25-06, again I'm not really sure what he's using this rifle for but I'm assuming these cartridges are fairly versatile.
>>29269472
And old men will die. You'll teach your son about 5.56, and you'll nod and agree as he tells you about 40 watt plasma rifles.
"But it'll cook the deer as its shot?" You'll say, and he'll nod and agree while calling you a fudd.
It's the way of things.
>>29269799
To be fair, I don't think anyone what the hell to do with a .25-06. But yes, .243 and .270 are both versatile cartridges (depending on the loading) and are relatively easy to acquire, even in the midst of a panic (say, a democrat getting elected).
>>29269182
Is he getting a durr raiful? Then let him do what he wants. If he's only shooting a single box of ammo a year (as fudds tend to do) the economy of 5.56 won't mean anything. And it's definitely not worth saving a few cents for abysmally worse performance.
And if you're still concerned with him not having muh NATO rounds, .308 is tried and true.
>>29270055
I suggested .308 but he is stuck on 30-06 compared to it, likely because I think he has some experience with it.
>>29270075
Modern 30-06 is the shit, why would you not want that? Do you hate fun?
>>29270168
I didn't say I didn't want that, I am fine with 30-06 though I would prefer .308
>>29269697
From what I hear 6mm remington has even better barrel life than a 243 all while push g the bullet a little faster, it's just a little more obscure.
>>29269799
My father has killed alot of elk with his 243 win, a little too small for my taste but of I could only have one gunow I would bet a .243 win.
>>29269418
Fudds don't care about fudd-caliber ammo prices cause they never shoot the things.
They might use 5 rounds to zero their scope and another round or two during durr season. A 20 round box of .270 will last your average fudd about 4 years.
>>29270490
kek
>>29269395
are you comparing cheap fmj rounds to rounds meant to expand?
>>29269799
Guy I work with has a 25-06... It shoots pretty soft and the bullet is fast as hell... It really wails on the AR500 targets. I think he has shot deer with it.
I vote 243 or 6.5creedmoor if it is going to be a bolt gun. Best balance of power, shootability, ballistics, and cost...
>>29269334
Get him to buy the 1911 or a 357, the 357 can be used for hunting deer and even small game like rabbit or grouse when its on the ground
>>29269697
243 perfect for coyote to whitetail, 270 perfect for whitetail to mule deer.
Both are pretty great rounds but 270 is a pretty common, flat shooting, versatile (can hunt pretty much anything in north america) round imo.
