Given the resent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq I am curious about what changes veterans would make on the tactical level to improve the fighting capability of the infantryman. I also have some ideas and I wanted some critique.
>Give all dismounted squads operating in rough terrain one BigDog quadruped robot. (we should have done this back in 2005).
>Have a strictly enforced policy that prevents any soldier from carrying a combat load over 50lb. It is a joke to think infantrymen can maneuver when carrying 120lb each.
>ditch the metric ton of SIGINT & ELINT with a single quadcopter for each squad.
>design a bullet for the 5.56 & 7.62 cartridge that can penetrate level 4 armor at minimum 200m (In this age anyone can buy armor).
>if this is not possible develop a new intermediate NATO cartridge that can.
>seriously start to invest in the XM25, all indicators show that it has great potential.
>I've heard we still have issues with comm reliability, there is no excuse for this in the 21st century.
Last (not really tactical but still important)
>Have unconventional warfare be the primary focus of all except for one light infantry division. Justification being that in conventional conflict light infantry only has the advantage over mech in air assault and mountain warfare.
Also I'm wondering whether paratroopers are still viable in today's age.
>>29264006
They'll just keep doing what they're doing. Pin them down and then call for arty and/or CAS.
>>29264006
>I hate money and love getting raped by congressional committees, special interest groups, and porkbarreling senators, the post. Seriously, nigger? I swear to god, if you knew how much fucking wrangling even one of those asinine requests would take, you would shit yourself. Oh, and here's a scary thought; what if, instead of rolling up onto a Congolese robotics appreciations board with your half-baked opinions, (culled from the same board) you asked the troopers what they needed to operate in their environs and provided that on a divisional, situational, budget-based basis? Holy Jesus.
All hail the Departmento Munitorum.
>>29264089
It is this overly conservative and lazy philosophy that we fail to act decisively in the last two wars.
train more snipers and dm's. accurize m4s. mk262 for everybody. bring stoner 63 back for gunners.
>>29264067
Jumping out of planes and fucking up ones knees and hips is just as much a part of the military as berets and medals, it'll never go away. It's what separates regular grunts from the elite grunts.
>>29264006
>Give all dismounted squads operating in rough terrain one BigDog quadruped robot. (we should have done this back in 2005).
BigDog is no where near ready for use and was dropped.
>Have a strictly enforced policy that prevents any soldier from carrying a combat load over 50lb. It is a joke to think infantrymen can maneuver when carrying 120lb each.
Invent unobtanium.
>design a bullet for the 5.56 & 7.62 cartridge that can penetrate level 4 armor at minimum 200m (In this age anyone can buy armor).
M855A1
>seriously start to invest in the XM25, all indicators show that it has great potential.
The XM25 goes into LRIP next year with a lightened design.
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/02/biggest-change-for-infantry-since-wwii-xm25/
>>29264165
No, I wonder not for long term health reasons but because many strategists question whether they have ever been decisive to the outcome of a battle. Also every single air defense piece in the world can destroy a c130 moving at 100mph
>>29264103
This is fantasy btw senpai
>>29264187
>>M855A1
Level 3+ is not level 4. Level 3+ is a marketing gimmick, unless you have proof that M855A1 can penetrate level 4 I am going to assume it can't.
>>29264221
That still doesn't invalidate what I said about it being an ingrained aspect of military culture, there's almost nobody that will argue that dropping from an airplane with a slow descending parachute is at all viable in this day an age.
>>29264283
>>29264187
Furthermore the M855A1 can only penetrate level 3+ at very close distances, not 200m or even 100m.
>>29264006
Have you ever served in the military, or seen modern combat?
Your "ideas" make me question the basis of your assessment
>>29264134
OK I've seen it before but what does it mean "non permissive environment specialist"?
>>29264103
fucking kek
these newfags grow more audacious by the hour
>>29264108
>we fail to act decisively in the last two wars
Holy fucking shit what the fuck are you talking about?
>>29264221
>discussion to improve real world conditions
>this is fantasy
pick one
And you couldn't fucking spell recent in your op.
This entire thread is the definition of shitposting; anybody complaining about the drop in quality of /k/ over the years can look here, see the inane and uneducated discussion, and realize that this is the cancer killing /k/
>>29264006
>what changes veterans would make on the tactical level to improve the fighting capability of the infantryman
Not a veteran, but teaching Americans how to properly do "hearts and minds" would be a good start, since you suck at it more than literally anyone else in the Western world (and probably some countries outside of it).
>>29264378
Oh wait sorry I forgot, I'm the head of the senate of the armed forces committee, RDECOM, and Lockheed. I'm here for the high quality advice provided by this image board.
>>29264006
The US military never lost a single battle in Iraq or Afghanistan. Not one. The problem is with politicans.
>>29264389
Fuck your hearts and minds.
>>29264467
Winning battles but loosing the war is still loosing.
Just ask Pyrrhus.
powered exoskeletons
radios on every soldier
that thermal/light amplification nvg monocle on every soldier.
Ar10s instead of AR15 pattern rifles.
>>29264067
They're not necessary, but the training and experience of the super grunt is really useful.
Literally anyone in the army could jump out of a plane after a briefing. But why not have an elite infantyman do it?
>>29264552
Good thing we won those wars then.
needs more HE at all levels
Needs more mortars, needs long range programmable grenadae launchers like the XM25.
So they'd stop losing firefights to goat herders.
>>29264006
>what changes veterans would make on the tactical level to improve the fighting capability of the infantryman.
To change the SOP to anytime a convey or patrol is attacked, that the men immediately proceed to killing everyone in the vancity as reprisals until either they stop attacking, or the entire population is wiped out.
>>29264552
This is true but I like to think if we skull fucked every enemy insurgent who looked at us wrong that may be enough to win the war.
>>29264609
Because that sooooo... worked for the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The real changes need to be at the political level.
We need to stop fighting Military Adventure wars. Which have no clear objective or benefit to the security of the US. No more nation building or regime change either. We should set out the goal that will end the fighting. Accomplish the goal and fucking leave. Let the locals rebuild their nation.
>>29264614
You can't do that when hiding behind positions and letting airstrikes do all the work.
And that's all the Americans trained the Iraqi army to do, that's why they suck atm.
>>29264609
>vancity
vicinity*
>>29264636
So you are simply talking out of your ass.
>>29264634
This is the correct answer.
>>29264555
>radios on every soldier
oh. is this not a thing? did COD lie at me?
>>29264006
>develop a new intermediate NATO cartridge
You're talking F-35 levels of porkbarrel here.
The procurement process is one of the reasons America's MIC is the most profitable "thing" outside of printing money in central banks.
also
>thinking for even one second that higher-ups give a shit about making soldier's lives easier in the field
>>29264006
Infantry man and iirq/afghan combat vet here.
1:lighter gear
(They took everything and made it lighter at first, then went "oh now that everything is lighter they can carry MORE OF IT! So our combat load stayed the same) It is utterly impossible to move more than 5 miles at a time in 120 degree wheather under a 140-160 pound pile of ammo, optics, comgear, batteries, more optics, and body armour. And by the time you get there you get engaged and can only kinda just waddle/lope to cover.
I would kill to have a load light enough to do everything I need, and still be capable of stuff like jumping or running when we get there.
As for IED detection, response, disposal and everything I cant complain, theyve come up with great solutions to the problem and its come a LOOONG way from when the war started.
Next thing, ROE's. We have let COUNTLESS assholes get away scot free just cuz some stupid addendum or clause in our ROE's says we have to. By the end of afghan we were having to ask permission from local magistrates to search buildings we were taking fire from, big suprise, local magistrates knew we were leaving soon and were eager to be seen helping the taliban so that they would gey beheaded as soon as we left. The end of our campaign also was utterly arbitrary and not based off of tactical info or any sort of real measurement of progress but off of the commander and chimp's campaign promises. We left a lot of shit unfinished, and literally even the E-3's and e-4's were calling out various colossal defeats on the ANA and were accuratley predicting major taliban victories and the general undoing of years of work to satisfy one democrats anti war stance. If the boots just halfway into thier first deployment were seeing it there is no way the politicians in charge didnt know. Basically, get the retards in $10,000 suits off our case and we will accomplish exponentially more.
>>29264898
>You're talking F-35 levels of porkbarrel here.
You probably think a trillion dollars has been spent on the F-35.
>>29264389
Hearts and minds is easy. Two to the heart and one to the mind.
>>29264389
You lack a true understanding of the pashto wali, (its like an afghan version of bushido)
Its this super complex system of honor and reprisal that places a high value on duplicity, cunning, and treachery.
In other words, they dont have the same ideas we do about favors, just because you show up and help out with a bunch of stuff without asking doesnt mean they feel they owe you anything.
Real life example from my first deployment to afghan:
>kid getting mauled by dog
>shoot dog, give kid medical attention
>find his dad, explain what rabies is, give him a chit he can take to any coalition center to get free rabies shots for the kid
>hes all smiles and happy, hugging, shaking hands, wants us to stay for dinner
>we move to his compound, and are setting up security when one of our MRAPS hits a 45 pound IED not 30 feet from his back door
>he just smirks and asks if anyone died
>EOD found 5 more emplaced throughout the compound
>pashto wali, just because we helped him doesnt mean he has to help us
The only people you are obligated to assist in afghan culture is family, clan, or tribe. Anyone else is free game for any dirty trick or underhanded assassination attempt you feel like, is your neighbor a nice guy who helps with your harvest? If hes not family or tribe then its totally okay to kill him in his sleep and take over his land if your well runs dry if you think HIS family or tribe is incapable of reprisal, or that you can withstand one.
Pashto wali means hearts and minds wont work in afghan.
>>29264931
>>29265071
I love it when real talk happens, sacred cows get butchered, and people who've been there tell it like it is, then 4 chins ignores them because the truth isn't as fun as anime, shitposting, and ignorance.
Within five minutes, every nigga on /k/ goes back to bitching about "cancer" shitting up "good" threads, when the opportunity for one died here.
>>29265071
Not as bad in the city area but yeah full on goat fuck one valley over and possibly the least bullshit explanation of pashto "honor" I have ever seen
>>29264931
>>29265071
This. The biggest problems lay with politics at home, and an overall lack of cultural understanding at pretty much all levels.
Sure the gear is never perfect, and you can always learn something new any time you fight a new adversary, but neither the equipment or soldiering can be considered the major reasons for leaving a shitshow behind. That lies with taking on a 40-50 year task that involves kicking skulls in when needed, and ditching it after 10, and in general not letting skulls get kicked no matter how much it was needed at times.
>>29265071
but they seem like such good people...
>>29265293
Then you realize this was a dead thread before the guys whose dick you are sucking posted.
>>29265293
>hurr durr, it's Obama's fault
Yeah that's some good and educational "real talk" there. I might as well have turned on fox news.
>>29264006
Make 6mm BR (HUEHUEHEUEHEUEHUE) the standard cartridge. Its flexible enough to replace all the different snowflake caliburs were using atm at all the usual engagement ranges (if you need to shoot at something more than 1k paces away, just use ordnance instead).
Commando mortars? Commando mortars. Biggest advantage the japs had was their little grenade chuckers putting leathernecks on blast with no set up time. Chesty puller himself demanded a us equivalent to the knee mortar (dont shoot it on your knee). Never got one though.
Hirtenberger m6 or m224 are good ones. Actually man portable. Can allow a patrol to quicky put out ordnance upon contant to smoke enemies in cover. Gets up to 4 kilometers on a good day. Fancy gps guided rounds too if you need pin point strikes. Thats how you bridge the gap between infantry and artillery.
Crazy idea, make rockets of missiles designed to shoot out of mortar tubes too (might need new mortar with modular/removable breaches). Theres your anti vehicle capability too with less logistical trains.
Transportation. Everyone seems big on 'light tactical vehicles' these days. Thats understandable. Patrols n shiet. Heres the deal, a light tactical vehicles wothyness is basically an inverse relationship to its worthlessness. In other words, it needs to be cheap. In other words, the toyota hilux is basically the archetype of a good ltv. If you can afford it if one gets trashed, its a worthwhile ltv. If you *cant* afford one getting trashed, dont make it an ltv, make it as pig fuck armoured as it needs to be.
What would make it perfect? Something cheap and fuel efficient as normal like above, but modular. Can slap on up armouring kits on the front as needed. Stanag 4569 level 5, four groupies, Bushmaster III in the back. Yeah, thats the ticket.
>>29264006
Adopt the MK-18 in .300 Blk as the standard ultra light carbine for support personel, weapon systdm crews, mechanized troops and officers.
Have MK-12's in .300 blk as the standard for Marines and non mechanized infantry because "muh riflemen"
Have both semi auto and bolt action DMR and Sniper rifles in 6.5 CM
Make a belt fed .300blk and 6.5 CM machine gun ans issue the which ever machine gun is more appropriate for the distance they are expected to fight, and the terrain.
Have squads based on twelve soldiers that has more specialized and skilled squad members to tackle anything by themselves without requesting support unless they suffer casualties.
Basic infantry squads are aimed at fighting other infantry, however if armor threats are a real possibility then two rocket tubes will be given to the grenadiers and one for the squad leader
Two Grenadiers per squad
Two Marksmen per squad
One Engineer per squad
One Machine Gunner per squad
One radio/admin officer per Squad
One medic per squad
Three Riflemen/Pointmen per squad
One squad leader officer per squad
>>29265980
Squad leader officers and the Radio/admin officer must be fluent in three languages.
>>29264329
Not trying to be an ass, but using my powers of deduction, there is a machine gun pictured.
In WW1 a single machine gun defending an area could cut through an entire platoon of charging infantry before they make it half way to the machine gun nest guarding the area. The second platoon behind the first platoon still in the trench ready to be the second wave will peak over the top and see the dead and dying first platoon and say to them selves "nope.jpeg" and will not charge thus not taking the area guarded by the maxhine gun and in effect, the machine gun has denied the area from the first and second platoon of enemies, one by killing the fuck out of them and the second scarring the fuck out of them, or logically convoncing them that charging is not the answer and trying to capture the area is not in their best interest if they wish to stay alive.
>>29265980
Why replace the two cartridge system with just another two cartridge system? Seems pointless.
>>29265980
i like the way you think, but that means that you would have to totally liquidate our 7.62/5.56 arsenal and design completely new guns, which would be kind of an issue.
my shitty thoughts;
>have all eligible infantrymen go to jump school
>make full head helmets a thing, with integrated air filters and comms with inserts for corrective lenses, and ear pro, so no more BCGs and shit.
>bring back the exoskeleton program and give it to the machine gunners and demolitions guys so they can carry heavier weapons (for example, dual 240Bs)
>give the squad leader speakers on his armor (like those speakerbullet things for phones) so the dude is a walking psyop broadcast
not really sure if this counts but;
>have the guys in the exos carry some kind of portable cover, basically a big shield that folds out that they stab in the ground, so everyone has somewhere to go as to not get obliterated on open ground
thoughts?
>>29264006
>It is a joke to think infantrymen can maneuver when carrying 120lb each
Oh we sure as hell can, but I'll tell you right now if I had the opportunity to drop down to a 50lb kit I'd be on that shit in a heartbeat. Things is.... what happens if the BigDog breaks down? And now we're all used to having everything being carried by it, instead of our own backs? It's a good idea, don't get me wrong, hell it's been in development because it's such a good idea.... but you gotta think big pictures. Not every good idea is really "practical". I'm really up in the air about the BigDog. Yes, lighter infantry is faster, more maneuverable, more stamina, but you're relying heavily on a very complex piece of equipment that can't be easily field repaired to carry gear for a whole squad. It also lacks the higher brain functions to get find cover in the event that a firefight breaks out. Now your sleeping gear and extra ammo is full of holes.
>quadcopter
I can agree with this one, but there wouldn't be any "ditching" of SIGINT etc. I mean if the quadcoptor goes down, you need a back up plan. redundant gear is redundant, but it's a good thing. The more ways you have to get information on the enemy in the field, the better.
>design a new magic bullet
cmon bro. they got close with the M855A1, but unless we use some sort of kraut space magic we can only expect so much out of a 5.56mm
>develop a new intermediate cartridge
I'm not trying to be THAT guy, but seriously man... you could not understand how insanely difficult, expensive, and collectively nightmarish switching a NATO cartridge would really be. It's just not realistic. The 5.56 and 7.62 do a great job anyway.
>invest in xm25
agree. I was a grenadier, and I can't tell you how many boners I get form looking at one of those. They need to continue dev though. they need to lose some weight, and get smaller, but all in all, the idea is fantastic and should replace the mounted launcher for grenadiers.
>>29266098
>the idea is fantastic and should replace the mounted launcher for grenadiers.
I wholeheartedly agree, but this made me think of a man-portable Mk19 and I laughed really hard before opening up a notepad window to write down ideas on how the fuck that would work
>>29266098
cont
>comm reliability
I'm just a former grunt. I wont pretend to know enough about comms to make any statement there, other than this; we're talking about some hugely complex systems, and I'm sure everything that CAN be done, is being done. That's just a guess though.
>unconventional blah blah blah
I'm sorry, but it seems you lack a strong understanding of US war doctrine. Atypical warfare is much easier to do when you've got nothing but infantry to work with. When you're worrying about troops, planes, ships, choppers, and a whole shitload of other things, all working together, all supporting each other..... you start to understand the importance of why we do things the way we do them.
>>29266120
>man portable Mk19
I've had PLs that think our current Mk19 is already "man portable". My god those thing are retarded heavy.
>LIGHT BULB JUST SWITCHED ON
a crew served version of the XM25. like a 240b for grenades.
>hhhhnnnngggg
>>29266144
>a crew served version of the XM25. like a 240b for grenades.
with that, you could add a computer that would lock onto targets in range and get a solution automatically so you don't have to press a button.
add a fuckhuge magazine to it and the ability to lock onto painted targets, and dear god you have a superweapon.
jesus christ, let's make a letter and shoot this shit off to DARPA, maybe it'll be deployed in 2020
>>29266162
>with that, you could add a computer that would lock onto targets in range and get a solution automatically so you don't have to press a button.
the processing power for this is insane, you cannot have the weapon identify human targets and 'lock onto' them
>>29266067
100% of all current weapons that fire 7.62x51 can fire 6.5 Creedmore with ONLY a barrel swap.
But that anon probably doesn't know that .260 Remington is a better machine gun cartridge.
>Exact ballistic advantages of 6.5 creedmore but with a 100 fps boost.
>Same parent cartridge but with the 7.62 NATO case taper instead of straight walled for more reliable feeding and extraction in semi and full retard weapons.
>Can handle heavier boolits. (Yeah only ten grains or so, but still heavier.)
>>29266162
>lock on
only issue with that is you have to have all the computers and battery power, etc. to run that stuff. even if you could get it all to work.... you'd be adding a few pounds to the weapon system.
There is already an effective targeting system that can "lock on" to enemy troops and accurately fire on them.... it's called marksmanship training. haha
>>29266067
Everything after the issue with replacing one dual cartridge system with another was just absolute cawadooty shit.
>>29266184
something you're nothing about here man.... these are much lighter bullets. you start using lighter, faster rounds and you end up with barrier penetration issues. yea, those bullets look good on paper, but when they it something they start to fragment earlier, even if they go as deep, less of the bullet ends up on the other side. The whole point of the 7.62mm is to give that extra punch through light vehicles (cars and trucks), walls, light cover, etc.
a lighter bullet isn't really the way to go.
>>29264552
>loosing
I guess we have to TIGHTEN our grasp on victory?
>>29266206
>you're nothing about here
I mean to say "you're not thinking about"
sorry.
>>29266206
That's a valid point, but I'm not the one who originally advocated 6.5 Creed for 240B use. I'm just pointing out that it isn't hard at all, and that the .260 would be better because it retains more of the case design of the 7.62x51.
I would argue that either 6.5 would make far superior designated marksman cartridges but that would mean a third rifle cartridge in the supply chain (ignoring the .50) and no one wants that.
>>29264006
HMGs and anti-materiel rifles are now chambered in 14.9mm SOP.
>>29266234
>.260 for marksman
>supply chain
Spot on with both points.
First step, up the entry levels. phisical, mental, education.
Dump any one who can not meet the new levels.
Dump all those who need made to measure boots, peanut allergies, any medication and the admin problems.
Realism in training. Highly trained opfof that is seen as a reward for high performance.
Lighten the fighting load. New battery tech, new armour tech, new LBE, lighter NODs, radios, weapons, less accessories.
Stop relying of SF for anything more complex than the assault.
Higher levels of training across all trades. A driver should be able to do more than change a tire and a gun number should be able to repair any part of the gun.
Make professional Milatary education attractive at all levels. Pay bumps for each additional skill you demonstrate.
Barracks routine needs to change. Day one, admin day two and three dry training. Day four range. Day five coy drills. Two days off. It dose not matter what week day it starts on it can even be staggerd within a brigade.
Just a start. Pretty much the skeleton of my next essay.
>>29266067
>>bring back the exoskeleton program and give it to the machine gunners and demolitions guys so they can carry heavier weapons (for example, dual 240Bs)
Heavier weapons are not needed, what a soldier can carry/call in now is just fine at making things dead. Plus, you
re far better off carrying one 240 with 25 pounds of ammo or spare batteries or extra med gear than 2 machine guns.
>>>give the squad leader speakers on his armor (like those speakerbullet things for phones) so the dude is a walking psyop broadcast
Yeah, nah that just removes all tactical advantage. It worked for the Brits in helmand having a terp call out shit to the local fighters just so they could get in a fight but in all honesty having it mounted on every squad leader is just unnecessary and pointless
>>have the guys in the exos carry some kind of portable cover, basically a big shield that folds out that they stab in the ground, so everyone has somewhere to go as to not get obliterated on open ground
That is just vidya-tier. Entrenching tools are much simpler, much more reliable and much, much cheaper. If it aint broke why fix it.
Bigdog got kicked to the curb because it's a loud piece of shit that is only good for revealing your position
>>29266120
>>29266144
>>29266162
XM307 pretty much got most of this accomplished, right? If i remember correctly what I saw on Future Weapons, that thing looked breddy gud but cancelled due to a low rate of fire or some such bullshit.
>>29266507
Whatever they do, the nerfgun molded plastic aesthetics have got to go.
Every time i see integrated sights i want to vomit. I mean come on, just put a rail on it and call it a job done. You get to advertize the thing as cheaper and lower weight, and the operator can put whatever shit he wants on it for use. Everybody wins.
>>29264006
>design a bullet for the 5.56 & 7.62 cartridge that can penetrate level 4 armor at minimum 200m (In this age anyone can buy armor).
Aready done. Its is called M995/M993. Anyway body armor is overrated it covers only small portion of the body.
>>29264283
>unless you have proof that M855A1 can penetrate level 4 I am going to assume it can't.
Of course it can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQth9vdjINw
Stopped by level III ceramic plate.
>>29266234
>far superior designated marksman cartridges but that would mean a third rifle cartridge in the supply chain
Cmon ideally you want match bullet for DMR it is additional cartridge in supply too even without additional calibre. BTW US WWII infantry used four cartridges modern logistics is pussy.
>>29266604
If youre using a specialized cartrudge for drms or long range gmgs, you may as well just go whole hog and use something like .408 cheytac.
>>29266544
Fairly sure the integral optic was due to the advanced targeting system it had and was what programmed the air-burst rounds. Still, they wanted a mobile automatic grenade launcher and although it was something like 25kgs it seems far to cumbersome to move whilst on foot
>>29266661
It will be too much weight and bulk. 5.56-7.62 DMR could be both DMR and CQB weapon (not as good as carbine but still marksman can do all general infantry stuff and door kicking with Mk 17). Currently everyone in the squad can participate in attack and CQB, putting heavy weapons in squad will reduce this capability. BTW this why it would be problematic to find place for XM-25 in TOE.
Crew served weapons are another story. Going whole hog makes more sense for them.
>>29266604
4? 30.06, .45 acp, 30caliber forgive me if I'm wrong but what exactly is the 4th? .50 cal wasn't a infantry calibre.
>>29266765
Two types of 30.06: belt and enblock.
>>29264067
Paratroopers are actually popular with African forces. Pretty much any plane can be used and it's fairly cheap, not to mention that being able to insert forces anywhere you need to is incredibly useful when your country is either full of nothing or the roads are filled with IEDs.
>>29265359
Spent MONTHS living with those fuckers in and around sangin, then in a later deployment just off in the dasht areas of helmand.
If they offer you hospitality, you might as well be god. You want thier best goat for dinner? Youve got it. And they will literally fight to the death to protect a guest.
But as soon as you leave the door its free game. Maybe he didnt WANT to kill his best goat and he feels like you asked too much and now theres a score to settle.
Honestly, if you know anythong about pashto wali you know im unintentionally butchering it. Its something so complex, duplicious, and even hypocritical or self canceling at times. Its like this entire bible worth of unwritten unspoken rules that they will literally commit murder for.
One of those things where, if you've lived amongst them for long periods of time you understand it, but if you try to explain it to somebody it just comes out sounding like a bunch of wierd double think self canceling bullshit.
>>29264006
>I've never served in the military and I play too many video games
Seriously op? You could have thought about this a little
>>29264006
>ditch the metric shit ton of SIGINT and ELINT
>metric shit ton of SIGINT and ELINT
Since when does the average infantry unit operate, let alone know anything about, SIGINT? I'm gonna guess you know nothing about it, so I'll help you out. SI guys typically tag along on an ad-hoc basis. If there's no need, we don't go out. Infantry squads aren't even aware it exists half of the time.
