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Ok fellow EU /k/ommandos, who will be listening? https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/EU-Gun-Ban-update-March-2016/
>>29257718
>Finland's not going to ban semi-autos since that would neuter our reservists' capability to train
>The EU is a good idea
>We're stronger together!
>Stop being a fucking isolationist living in the past!
>We don't need national identity!
B-but
>Lets in millions of kebab and ISIS
>Won't stop til they've turned you into a socialist pussy who works solely to fund state welfare
>Declare war on private ownership of funs
Seriously the greatest even to face Europe since the Bubonic plague.
>>29257768
lucky for them. Let's see which countries are going to be left out of this shit: Switzerland, Czech republic (big maybe), France? Finnland, Based Hungary?
>>29257768
>implying it wouldn't be just limited to reservists who have wartime placement
>implying ammo wouldn't become impossible to obtain when nobody else in Europe would need it anymore
>implying Finnish politicians aren't going to cave in to EU pressure
>>29257779
*greatest evil
>>29257781
Czechia, Switzerland and Finland, I believe have all voiced their disapproval and stated they will not apply whatever the EU decides.
>>29257789
>implying Finnish politicians aren't going to cave in to EU pressure
Instant motion of no confidence.
>>29257781
>Finnland
Our politicians are fucking bootlickers, they are going to accept anything EU tells them to do.
Finnish lobbying efforts have been very half hearted and even counter productive (only having reservist agenda, sports shooters and hunters abandoned) when compared to efforts of countries like Estonia or Czech Republic.
The newest proposal which bans all semi-autos, not just military "looking" firearms, from sports shooters and hunters is a direct consequence of shitty lobbing by countries like Finland and Sweden.
>>29257794
CH isn't in the EU
>>29257794
>I believe have all voiced their disapproval and stated they will not apply whatever the EU decides.
Wrong. Finland never said they wouldn't accept EU decision regarding the ban. They are just "lobbying" against the ban.
>>29257718
> will not stop at modern sporting rifles; their goal is to uniform the gun laws of all EU-member States to the British standard
>>29257846
But it's closely tied to it's lawmaking
> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/imco/events.html?id=20160315CHE00121
tomorrow will be a rivision of the gun ban
FUCK IT
CIVIL WAR WHEN?
>>29258015
please, not in Europe, again....
>>29258046
Western society should go out in a bang. Depopulate enough of the Earth to give the next rulers of this world a better chance.
>>29258046
I'd fight for the good people of Europe against the statist tendencies of the current reigning political class
100 years ago I'd be called a communist by saying this. Today I'd be called a fascist.
>>29257718
FUCKING WHY THE UK IS ALREADY KEKED ENOUGH PLEASE NO MORE
DONALD PLEASE SAVE US
DONALD I BEG OF YOU I CAN'T TAKE THIS KEKOLDRY MUCH LONGER
>>29257846
say wut
>>29257862
>MFW when if the gun laws are taken down to UK standards in mycountry, at least i'll be able to buy an air rifle without medical check-ups and a firearms safety course....
>>29258157
CH is not a member state of EU. How is that hard to understand?
>>29258182
wat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic
It is a member of the United Nations, the European Union, NATO, the OECD, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe
>>29258165
Where the hell do you live?
>>29258206
CH = Confederatio Helvetica = Switzerland
>>29258165
EU law is a minimum. Member states can make worse laws in their own country. Sorry, nothing will ever be un-fucked by eurocrats.
>>29258261
>CH
please dont use terms like this even if its not wrong, just say Switzerland
>>29258273
Alas, this
>>29258407
No. It's easier to type on the phone, so you'll need to learn the difference between CH, CN and CZ.
>One group trying to decide what's best for every country in the continent, and then demanding they all enforce it
Why the fuck is the EU even allowed to exist?
>>29258015
Never, because yurokeks are so pussified that they'll curl up and cry at the mere mention of anything even tangentially related to guns or warfare.
>>29258727
Because it offers politicians a nice stepping stone to comfy jobs with good pay and zero accountability.
>>29258727
>one group
That group is the EU elite, despite being barely elected, or completely un-elected, they think they speak for everyone. The EU and the politicians and kikes running it are is about the least accountable thing on the planet. They could literally kill babies and get away with it.
Also, they're not 'countries' anon, the politically correct and EU approved term is member states. That way of thinking is old and promotes racism, patriotism and non-conformist opinions, it's been deemed not halal by the glorious EU federal socialist agenda.
>>29258246
...Romania...
>>29257779
It's fucking baffling.
They knowingly let in backward, overwhelmingly young male savages from active warzones, while at the same time restricting self-defense possibilities for law-abiding citizens whenever these savages use illegally obtained firearms against native Europeans.
>>29258972
That's crazy, /k/omrade. It's bad everywhere but that's full retard.
>>29258792
well, we have reasons, don't we. Did the US have teror over their head for over half a century, like almost half Europe had (USSR)?
>>29258991
The reason they want to ban guns is not because of sandniggers doing sandnigger things, but because they fear Europeans might start retaliating soon, couldn't possibly allow that in 2016!
>>29257789
Ladies and gentlemen, the teenager that does not pay rent or his own cellphone bill has spoken.
Sissu, motherfucker, do you understand it? Look at Finland. Look at their history, military structure, and attitude toward the EU.
I've never seen a more asinine and uninformed post here, and I lurk the milsurp general.
Fucking civvies, I swear to fuck. Just go back to playing CS:GO and let the people that contribute to the world have an adult discussion.
>>29259138
Nigger, I've been hunting and doing sports shooting here in Finland for almost two decades now.
Whatever EU says Finland does. Every single time. They even use term "mallioppilas" (rough translation would be "model student") to describe Finnish EU policy because we are so obedient. Actually most of the media use that term in positive sense, as if being "mallioppilas" is a good thing.
>>29258999
We had the Cold War going on for about 45 years, thinking that at any minute we would be nuked off the face of the earth.
>>29259138
Also it's sisu, not sissu.
And it died decades ago when our goverment was bootlicking the Soviets and when Soviet Union collapsed they had to find someone else to order them around so we joined EU.
>>29258991
They want the destruction of any and all non leftist progressive elements, individuals and views in Europe. Everything they do is calculated to achieve it.
>>29259228
Every modern Finn I have spoken too, Active Federal Military or Reserve, has shared the sentiments I have repeated here. Until you can verify your citizenship, service, or age, your opinion is moot and useless.
>>29259228
From reading your post I think that "sissy" would be more pertinent than sisu.
>>29259314
Not that anon but naturally that means you have to, too.
american here, you guys are so cucked. we are in danger of going down that road ourselves but you guys have already driven off the cliff. enjoy your gun bans and the fresh imports of progressive, peaceful muslims from war torn countries
Because while you still hold on to some kind of democracy, we live in a leftist fascist state. Finland isn't as bad off as the rest of Europe but our cuck politicians are trying their hardest to bow down to their EU masters. They have no willing to serve the people.
>>29259314
Ummmm... Are you aware that something like 99% of Finnish males between certain ages are counted as "reserve" even if they did civil service instead of military service.
Anyways, you must have talked to people who really like our politicians because I have met nobody in the reservist organisation I belong to who has any trust in politicians in this matter.
>>29259314
Onko cuck-sibils sitten mielestäsi järkevä tyyppi?
>>29259438
Oon aika varma, ettei toi kaveri puhu suomea. Vaikuttais joltain ulkkikselta, joka on kuullu vähä tornihuhui Suomen EU-vastaisuudesta.
BTW. Toi asekieltodirektiivi on Orpon toimialaa EU:ssa, sisäministerikokouksissa neuvotellaan siitä.
>>29258937
> barely elected, or completely un-elected
pls inform yourself about the law making in the EU and who has the power to do so.
>>29259384
you guys need to get your glorious finn nationality back. learning about how based finns were in history is what makes me look up to you guys as an american. you guys have fucking awesome culture too and i wished i could live there for a little bit
>>29259531
No voi vitun Orpo. Jos tämä sitten menee vittu läpi niin olisin vittu valmis nousta kapinaan. Pitää ottaa Suomi takas suomalaisille. Alettaispa käännyttää kansaa tekemään samoin.
>>29259561
EU parliament is just a rubber stamp for the Comission.
>>29259588
>rubber stamp
Well the parliament would have more de facto power, if the member states would stop voting in their most useless politics, which just are there for the pay check.
>>29259563
I know. At least our national identity is still intact. Nationalism is still common and people aren't afraid to show it (at least I'm not).
It's just our shitfaced politicians who only live to serve their EU masters. They don't care one bit about us. The only man I respect is the president, but he has almost no power to affect the country's inner problems
>>29259561
I'm literally studying the EU (sorry mom, should have done real studies...) and they way the parliament is made to "work" obviously turns it into a neutered consensus making lobbies-sucking room with no political group capable of gaining any power if it doesn't turn into a centrist in the sense of an heavily neo-liberal gay-pride advocate clusterfuck of parties.
>>29259639
what are your favorite places to visit in finnland? if you were recommending to an american who likes outdoor nature stuff, historical monuments and museums? who maybe wants to go on a fishing trip
>>29259639
>>29259726
sorry misspelled Finland
do you like helsinki?
>>29259726
Well if you want outdoors stuff then every place has that. But try any place in Lapland.
>>29259746
NOOOOO
Never go to Helsinki.
It's literally the San Francisco of Finland. Every faggot leftie lives there and pretends like they live in a fucking metropolis.
>>29259753
naw man ive seen pictures of fishing out in the wilderness in finland, it's unique. they have really nice landscapes there, kind of like alaska
thanks just looked up lapland
It’s known for its vast wilderness, ski resorts and natural phenomena including 24-hour summer daylight, and the Northern Lights.
>northern lights
so badass
>>29259746
Another Finn here but no, it's the cause of many miseries. Many leftists live there and it has become an echo chamber of anti-Finnish sentiment. It doesn't even feel like Finland. Many times you don't even see Finns on the streets and Finnish culture has vanished.
>>29259770
lol. i mean i live in california, and i like visiting san francisco because they have awesome restaurants. i would NEVER live in it though. hate literally everything about their laws
>>29259726
http://www.nationalparks.fi/en/destinations
Fuck it, fuck it all. Worst case scenario is harmonization of british gun laws with eu - ie. baning all weapons except semi-autos.
Other scenario, which is also unaceptable, is to ban scary assault weapons - no AK's, AR's, 10 round mags, no military calibers, etc.
I can feel it in my bones that they will push one of these two and our politicans in national parliments just bend over and accept this shit in hopes of mo money fo dem programs.
fellow /k/ommrads
if there would be a joint EU wide gun law, for all courties inna europe, what points should be included?
or, what should we take from local gunlaws, like CZ, Italy or Austria?
> ib4 it should be like the US
be realistic
>>29258442
ITT: things I don't need to learn.
>>29259933
the only valid answer are the czech gun laws
>>29259937
>Found the Americlap.
>millions of illegal guns going around in europe
>every terrorist atack for decades now was with illegal guns
>every goverment in the EU:
>"WE MUST TAKE AWAY THE LEGAL GUNS DERP DERP"
I live in belguim, the police here has to drop his gun off at the station before the shift ends because some cop killed himself, an some other his wife and then himself.
EVERY FUCKING POLICE OFFICER IN THE COUNTRY.
They are disarming us, hell they already have. and not to get too /pol/, but when shit hits the fan a lot of people will die over here because there where no guns around to stop them.
And shit wil hit the fan, multiple intelligence sources have been saying for over a year now that all the goatfucker factions are preparing for a coordinated atack across the western world.
They even have radioactive materials for a dirty bomb thanks to slav smuglers.
Fuck, i'm happy that brussels is like a 70 km's away from my home.
Laugh it up, fellow Americucks.
It's coming here next. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but you can bet your sweet virgin ass that the powers that be are going to try. First a unified EU firearms policy, then the pressure is going to start mounting on UN member nations.
>>29260000
Belgian too and I don't even speak flemish so the flemish kebab removal brigades will surely remove me too. Shit.
>>29259933
>Austria
Because it's the one i know ;^)
But i really think Austria has nice gun laws, free enough to get most guns but at the same time regulated enough that anti-guns don't care.
>>29257779
EU is a fucking utopia, and it seems that no one in the high places remarked that...
>>29259982
>Found the unarmed peasant, blissfully unaware of the circumstances his community is coming to
Not the burger you responded to btw
>>29260000
>Fuck, i'm happy that brussels is like a 70 km's away from my home.
I did like it in Brussels, particularly the main shopping district.
Stayed near the Botanical Gardens, so I saw a LOT of sand niggers.
May or may not have been carrying a 4" fixed blade the entire time I was there for that reason.
>>29257862
>mfw I migrated from France to Canada a 6month ago
>>29260081
I'm Australian.
I'm already disarmed, but at least I can differentiate simple abbreviated forms of countries.
>>29258792
what is eastern europe faggot
>>29260000
Vacation in a former combloc nation and buy an illegal gun. No one will know if you hide it.
>>29260053
from what i understand the walloons have been a lot more succesfull at keeping their guns hidden then the flemish.
>>29260085
Brussels is safe as long as you stay in the business districts or the tourist districts.
Everything outside of those places are turning in to ghettos full of people of every race except the one that is native to belgium.
All the white people are running away to the border towns.
What about Switzerland? They're not part of the EU.
>>29259951
Czech gun laws with no restrictions on suppressors, hollow points and mounted accessories would be GOAT.
>>29259788
Want experience it with better infrastructure? Go to Sweden.
Want to experience it with nice and hospitable people? Go to Norway.
>>29259210
>Whatever EU says Finland does. Every single time. They even use term "mallioppilas" (rough translation would be "model student") to describe Finnish EU policy because we are so obedient. Actually most of the media use that term in positive sense, as if being "mallioppilas" is a good thing.
This.
>>29259561
It's pretty undemocratic organization with meme parliament that can't propose laws, only rubber stamp what commission and intergovernmental conference feeds 'em. Removing democracy from Europe is the very purpose why EU exists. Replace democracy with capitalist oligarchy.
>>29259726
>what are your favorite places to visit in finnland? if you were recommending to an american who likes outdoor nature stuff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koli_National_Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetinj%C3%A4rvi_National_Park
>historical monuments and museums?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomenlinna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Museum_of_Finland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Aviation_Museum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Artillery_Museum_of_Finland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_Museum_of_Central_Finland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_Marinum
>who maybe wants to go on a fishing trip
There are lakes pretty much everywhere.
>>29260123
I noticed that Sand Niggers don't stock/use conditioner.
It was hell trying to find that shit outside of the CBD.
Sand niggers must have the nastiest hair imaginable.
>>29260065
>>29259951
I would say a mixture of both
take austria as a base, add some czech points, refine shit with >>29260184
and I think everybody could live with that
>>29260100
>drunken retards who are so anti-military that the government has to resort to forced conscription
>>29260275
als has to do with all the shit they smoke all day and having retard rules about washing.
A 5 minute shower isnt something those guys can do, they have to folow a certain way so as not to offend their god.
>>29259933
>if there would be a joint EU wide gun law, for all courties inna europe, what points should be included?
Czech republic or Finland.
>>29260260
>There are lakes pretty much everywhere.
And fishing (though not fly fishing in streams iirc) is covered by everyman's right so you can literally roam as you please and fish where you please. If innawoods is your thing, mid/east Finland is a good place to be
>>29260349
Finland with CC and streamlined permit application system I could get behind
Also they want to classify magazine as a main part of the weapon. And every mag shuld have serial number and be registered in police database.
Another proposal is that all gun owners must be insured against injury or property damage.
Another proposal: EU wide standardization of medical exams. Mandatory psychological, physical, cognitive evaluation every few years.
It's madness people, if this thing goes thru we are royaly fucked.
>>29259885
semi autos ARE banned in britain though
>>29260065
anti guns always care. their ultimate goal is complete ban on all guns. they just know that realistically they have to ban little bits at a time to get there
>>29260000
who would ever want to be a policeman in belgium then? cant even take your gun home? lol so do people who get arrested and want revenge on cops know to just wait until the cop's work shift is over, and follow him home?
>>29260552
>semi autos ARE banned in britain though
sorry i meant bolt-action rifles
>>29260400
what do you mean, like you can go on private property to fish? like people cant block off access to fishing in lakes even if its private land? or did you mean more like you dont need a license or permit for fishing?
>>29260530
Source:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%2BCOMPARL%2BPE-576.870%2B01%2BDOC%2BPDF%2BV0%2F%2FEN
>>29260530
why dont they just do standard exams to find out who is muslim, and then just restrict those people? maybe make them wear yellow armbands with a star and crescent moon
>entirely serious not even making a joke here
>>29260576
pretty much.
There are stories about crooks admiting that its really easy to obtain info on cops who are doing an investigation on you, and then the visit the cop at home and the next day that cop stops his investigation.
Ofcourse mainstream media doesnt cover these kind of things over here in socialist EU.
>>29260090
How are you liking it so far?
>>29260634
wow, talk about backwards logic. not sure why the police would even want to support those kind of gun control laws then
>>29260628
why stop there. shouldn't all of earth be one country?
>>29260000
This is the country that stopped the Germans cold at the border for two goddamn weeks? This is the country where Fabrique Nationale is headquartered? What the fuck happened!?
>>29260675
a lot of them dont, but its too late.
And over here in belguim the gov has really cucked the police in every way.
A lot of cops who just go private sector because they are sick and tired from picking up the same criminal day after day but the courts letting them free because of bullshit reasons.
Again, these kind of things you dont hear in the media, thas why a lot of people in the EU still think that they live in a safe country.
>>29260695
Only if they had a super 2nd amendment that legalized EVERYTHING. So all the states and the millions of organizations could arm up and maintain their own militaries
>>29260706
socialists where the dominating party for at least 30 years here in belguim.
But i could tell you a lot about that but its getting late for me.
>>29260717
at least you guys still make the best chocolate and beer. better enjoy that while you can before shariah law outlaws it
>>29260717
>>29260755
just out of curiosity, is this shit cheap and common over there? like your version of us american's budweiser? because if it is, you are so fucking lucky
>>29260454
To be honest, I don't want CC or even OC to be legal in Finland. I'm all for people owning machine guns and hydrogen bombs but I don't want to live in a society where I actually need those. I was raised up on a principle of trust and my grandmother even said that locking my bike would be inconsiderate, because it'd signal that I don't trust other people. Guns are great for hunting, sports, simple fun and especially national defensce but in my opinion they shouldn't be part of everyday life. But each to their own. I wouldn't lose my mind over such a legislation but it would be a bit sad. However, I would like to carry a puukko as a tool.
>>29260600
Not the same Finn but in short, you can own land but you can't own the nature. This is a long tradition, because we have lived off of nature for centuries. Freedom to roam means that you can for example travel freely, camp, pick berries and fish with some restrictions. Some things require permits to protect nature but you can usually get permits easily and it doesn't cost much either. In the cities you can't trespass private property and outside cities you can't disturb landowners but other than that it's all very relaxed.
>>29260755
i dont think it will go that far, things are changing here in europe.
People are getting pissed off because the wealth they helped build is getting destroyed at record speed and meanwhile there are millions of lazy cunts from the other side of the world who come knocking on our doors for handouts.
And the constant terrorist atacks ofcourse help too.
yeah, its cheap, and you can buy it in a lot of stores, i'm a fan of dark beer myself, more then blond beer.
And there are a lot of dark beers over here that are a lot better then gulden draak.
>>29260790
so you are saying if there is a natural lake on someone's property you can fish from it without their permission? or hunt on someones land for animals as long as you have the state required licenses and obey the poaching laws?
>>29260790
>because it'd signal that I don't trust other people.
Oh the fucking joy of not taking the risk to die in a knife fight with half a dozen kebabs every time you go outside... But don't worry finnbro, we are doing our best so you can too know the pleasure of such cultural enrichment.
>>29260805
>>29260805
like this? trappist rochefurt? its one of my favorite belgian beers, but at $8-$12 for that little 10oz bottle i don't drink it too often. must be nice to live at the source man!
>>29260782
Our most shitty pils would be considered high quality in 99% of the world it is crazy. I don't even get how people can drink beer frequently outside of belgium.
>>29260880
As long as you don't go too close to someone's home. Angling is allowed everywhere and other types of fishing require a license but you can usually get that via mobile. Hunting requires the landowner's permission but that's usually handled by giving a bit of meat to the landowner. Other option is to hunt on state-owned land.
>>29260885
My point is that I would much rather remove kebab than to have them and carry a weapon everywhere because of that. Same goes for other human waste.
>>29260576
Canuck here: same shit
Cops have to leave their Glock/SIG/whatever at the station when they go home, no chance of carrying off duty
Then they'll see people they arrested at the grocery store and shit
Honestly I think allowing off-duty carry by cops is a good start: it gets a foot in the door for the idea of carry overall, and there's no logical reason to oppose it when they already carry guns everyday
>>29260989
>My point is that I would much rather remove kebab than to have them and carry a weapon everywhere because of that.
They do anyway. Everytime they chimp out in europe is because they know they are in a balls free zone.
>>29260790
You also have to consider that you live in a country full of Finns and Fenno Swedes, and you have the luxury of being able to actually trust your neighbors. Enjoy that while it lasts. Also, I only carry a gun when I'm walking my dog, because I have a very small dog and she has been attacked while I'm holding the leash.
My other reaction would be, in a trusting society, you don't need to formally outlaw things. You could have OC/CC be perfectly legal and also never really factor into anyone's life. You only need to start legislating things when that trust breaks down.
>>29259788
Want to experience it, gun in hand? Go to Canada. Specifically Yellowknife or Whitehorse.
>>29260790
Naivete will get you killed one day. No matter how safe it is, a chance of needing a gun will always exist. Do you also refuse to use a seatbelt because it's impolite to crash your car?
>>29261008
That's why I want them out of here.
>>29261012
Exactly and I want to keep it that way. On the other hand, I don't trust everyone here enough to have them carrying guns in public. There is a lot of alcohol abuse and a lot of fights would have ended worse, if people took guns with them to the Friday night disco.
I get your point but sadly not everyone here is trustworthy. I would have no problem with carrying, if it was unnecessary but at the moment it would most likely lead to wrong people carrying guns. In a way we are in a situation where legalizing carrying would make carrying necessary and that doesn't really serve the purpose.
>>29261017
Nice straw man you go there.
>>29261113
*got
>>29261113
>I don't have to answer to his legitimate comparison if I call strawman
>phew, that was close
>>29261138
You are comparing traffic accidents to deliberate acts of violence. That's like carrying in fear of negligent discharges.
>>29261173
Not the guy you're replying to, but your logic is so out of whack I had to pipe up.
Wearing (or not wearing) seat-belt in preemption of someone crashing into you;
-is to-
Carrying (or not carrying) a firearm in preemption of a miscellaneous gent of Semite decent comes at you with a carving knife.
Did you want a shiny star sticker for today's lesson?
>>29257846
yes they are dipshit
>>29261173
Accidentents can also be deliberate. The point which you are so intent on ignoring is that even if you are as careful as you can be, accidents can happen. Similarly, you may be the victim of a violent attack no matter how safe your neighbourhood is. And it's not just niggers that commit acts of violence, it could also be some other animal.
>>29260454
Agreed, generally all licences should be shall issue things instead of bureaucratic bullshit other fire-arms (basically things like SBR's, rifles that aren't long enough to be rifles legally) licenses tend to be.
>>29260600
>what do you mean, like you can go on private property to fish?
Everywhere except on someones yard.
>like people cant block off access to fishing in lakes even if its private land? or did you mean more like you dont need a license or permit for fishing?
Fishing licenses depend entirely on what area and what kind gear is being used. Rule of thumb, all season fishing licences for some lake, river, rapids or area are reasonably priced.... short licences for tourists are often pretty close to robbery.
>>29261268
That's still not the same. And like I said before, I would much rather remove the threat from my country than live on a battlefield. If street violence would be accidental I would wear a bullet proof vest and if traffic accidents would be deliberate I would put spears on my car's bumper to impale my opponent.
>>29261304
By definition accidents can't be deliberate. And I do prepare for accidents. Then, like I said before, we are in this strange situation, where legalizing carrying would make it necessary for everyone, because not everyone here is trustworthy so for now this is the safest way to live. If we want to make Finland even safer, immigrants should be deported. Regarding animals, within the last century one person has been killed by wildlife.
>>29257781
Switzerland is not in the EU
>>29261296
Show me where Switzerland is on this list:
http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm
>>29258206
When the fuck did the Czech's join NATO?
Man we really did gobble up every ex-soviet state once they got let loose. How is the standard of living and shit there now a days? Part of my family came from there forever ago and Id love to visit.
>>29261584
>When the fuck did the Czech's join NATO?
1999
>Man we really did gobble up every ex-soviet state once they got let loose
Only ex-Soviet states in NATO are Baltic states. Rest of 'em are just ex-commie nations.
>>29261480
I meant someone deliberately crashing into your car. Not calling it an accident may be technically right, but it's semantical as fuck.
Even if the immigrants were deported, you would still potentially risk yourself by not carrying. That's your choice and your right to be a dumbfuck, but you have no business restricting others' right to protect themselves. Also vests and firearms do not fill the same role, or why do you think cops have both?
And once you have something you value infinitely, it is completely irrelevant how unlikely an attack against it would be - the chance of it happening is there and that's enough for me.
So gentleman what EU laws will finally be the straw that breaks the camels dam holding back the past few years of anger and frustration?
>>29257718
>EU law
Why would any people ever allow a foreign organization to make laws for them that they have little to no say in? Didn't you yuropoors come up with the vast majority of modern political philosophy, including the concepts of nationalism and sovereignty? It's as if the very existence of individual countries in your godforsaken continent is a farce.
You guys should all just give up your flags and start speaking the same language. You're not fooling anybody.
>>29260183
The more the EU goes full leftist, the more Switzerland goes conservative
>>29261886
It was originally economic alliance. Common customs practices, standard for trucks, common agricultural policy and other economic cooperation. Then it turned into pseudo federal state that micromanages everything.
>>29260587
What ??
>>29261904
>The more the EU goes full leftist, the more Switzerland goes conservative
That leads to Switzerland becoming politically and economically isolated. Generally it's not a good idea to be in bad terms with someone that surrounds you completely.
>>29261706
You remind me of those aliens in South Park, who replaced every noun with the word marklar, because screw semantics.
Once again, if carrying would be legal here, it would become necessary, because I wouldn't be the only one to be carrying. When someone gets drunk and violent, I would rather get punched in the face than shot in the face. Even if you and me can are decent people, not everyone is. Yes, there are illegal guns and someone could illegally carry a legally purchased gun but all in all at the moment gun violence would increase, if there were more guns on the streets, because it would most likely lead to some young person with no previous criminal record shooting someone while drunk. I'm sure you know, that a gun purchased for self defence can also be misused.
And yes, I do know that firearms and vests have different roles. One is for offense and one for defence. That's what I tried to tell you, when you insisted that accidents and deliberate violence are comparable.
I value my country and I want it to be a place, where I don't have to carry a weapons everywhere I go and I live as I preach.
>>29261968
>implying Switzerland hasn't jewed their way through worse storms than this one
>>29261925
You means European politics have a tendency to micromanage to shit?
BIG SURPRISE
>>29261480
>people here arent truthworthy
>so I wouldn't cc a gun
What
>>29261968
As long as they cooperate financially (especially banking secrecy) nobody bats an eye
>>29262132
Read again. If carrying would be legal, those untrustworthy people could also carry, so who do you think would shoot first?
>>29262027
>implying Switzerland didn't cuck jews after WW2 by never giving back money nazis hid there that were stolen from them.
>>29259933
if it came out that you could have semi auto centerfires under a license and limited to 10 rounds with no stupid AWB bullshit then I really wouldnt mind
issue is they may be like Australia and ban semi auto rimfires and shotguns
>>29262015
Yet in america in places that aren't 99% niggers there aren't killing spree made by drunk retards thinking they are in a saloon with clint eastwood each time they visit a bar.
>>29262176
If they're untrustworthy, they can already carry a gun.
Or did murder being illegal stop everybody living in your country from doing murdering too?
>>29262176
>If carrying would be legal, those untrustworthy people could also carry, so who do you think would shoot first?
I propose we deport that retarded snownigger with the regular ones back to turkey.
>>29260998
thats hilarious. in the USA, there is a federal law that allows current and retired cops to carry off duty in every state. of course in america people are allowed private ownership of handguns so they can carry their own if they want, or their department issued piece. i actually prefer your backwards canadian system because it gives the police incentive to be pro-gun. unlike here in the US, where they believe themselves to be a better, separate class of people, and don't believe non-police should carry guns around
>>29260782
Belgbro gunfag here. That bottle cost us 2.50 eur at the pub.
>>29262015
>Once again, if carrying would be legal here, it would become necessary, because I wouldn't be the only one to be carrying. When someone gets drunk and violent, I would rather get punched in the face..COMMENT TOO LONG
You are placing trust on retards who get drunk and attack others in hopes that they won't carry a weapon anyway. If that isn't almost the definition of stupidity, I don't know what is. Protip: knives are common as fuck and can be exactly as lethal as firearms.
Another thing that annoys the fuck out of me is how you think it's okay to limit the rights, or privileges as it were, of the collective because of actions of individuals. Even if the hypothetical scenario where some dumbass goes and gets in a bar fight that escalates into a fatal confrontation involving firearms would magically turn into a common occurence, it would still be wrong to prohibit CC for everyone. I won't misuse my right to defend myself, and I'm not responsible for the actions of some drunk fuck, so keep your filthy paws off my rights. Savvy?
>And yes, I do know that firearms and vests have different roles. One is for offense and one for defence. That's what I tried to tell you, when you insisted that accidents and deliberate violence are comparable.
Okay, let's simplify this since you are being obtuse. Unfortunate things happen. Traffic accident = unfortunate thing = violent attack. Seatbelt = defensive measure = firearm. Whether the unfortunate thing is done on purpose is IRRELEVANT. And yes, you can also wear a vest, just as you can drive a car that airbags. Stop being pedantic.
And yes, I get that you're an idealist. But the world is ugly and people are stupid no matter how many rapefugees you throw out, so people deserve to have the right to effectively defend their lives. No, they need it.
>>29260907
What?? So much? My friend owns a pub, I live max half an hour drive from the brewery. Seriously considering selling you some crates at half of the price you'd normally pay.
>>29260000
Trips of truth. Quick. It's not too late to move to NA.
>>29261865
Do you hear the people sing?
>>29262379
Count again.
>>29260022
Shillary has been pushing that UN small arms control treaty for years. she'll pretty ,much sign and endorse any gun control measure introduced from anywhere
>>29262227
And if you haven't noticed, I don't live in the US.
>>29262238
No. I'm talking about risks. There are a lot of people here, who are violent in an impulsive and unpredictable way, so it's best, if they don't have guns nearby. It's impossible to screen out all the potentially dangerous people, so while we can't prevent certain acts of violence, we can at least prevent some.
>>29262246
Onko nyt ihan utopiaa, että lakaistaisiin mieluummin riskihenkilöt takaisin ulkomaille ja ei annettaisi kotimaisille vastaaville mahdollisuutta suurempiin veritekoihin, kun noita nakkikioskin jonossa tapahtuvia tappeluita ja muuta impulsiivista väkivaltaa kuitenkin on säännöllisin väliajoin? Tulitaistelun voittaa kuitenkin se, joka avaa tulen, joten vaikka kantaisin asetta mukana ja joku samoin tekevä päättäisi tehdä luovia tulkintoja silloisesta lainsäädännöstä, olisin kuollut joka tapauksessa.
>>29262300
You're quite annoying to talk to, because of your swearing and ad hominems.
I'm now putting this in the most simple way I can come up with. The person, who shoots first usually wins the firefight, so even if I carried and some misguided person decides to shoot me, because he was carrying too, I'd be dead anyway. And because there is a lot of impulsive violence here, the risk of me being shot is smaller, if there aren't as many guns around in the public. Sure, I might get shot even now but the risk is lower. When it comes to knives and unarmed combat, those can be lethal but they're not nearly as lethal as firearms on average.
You can keep your rights. We don't live in the same country, remember? Still, my problem with your way of thinking is that the need for guns would increase with the amount of guns carried, because it's impossible to screen out every potential lawbreaker. I know that it's technically wrong to prohibit things like carrying but on the other hand is an individual's rights more valuable than the lives of others in case someone doesn't hold his/her end of the deal and disregards the responsibilities that come with freedoms?
Because of the way set theory works, you are now claiming that seat belts are firearms. And I don't think the cause is irrelevant, no matter how much caps lock you use.
This right is a double-edged sword; while you can defend yourself better, you may also need to do so more often.
I'll head to bed now, because it's really late.
t. >>29262789 >>29262796
>>29262796
We do live in the same country, you dumb fuck. And if you think I'm annoying to talk to, then imagine how pissed off I am. I give you legit arguments and all you've shown thus far are semantics and your own speculations and fears.
Estonia has concealed carry and as big problems with alcohol as us. They have not seen an increase in accidents or fatalities, only the reverse. You can shove your speculations up your arse, I'm out too. Faggot.
>>29263107
Noin kuumana käyvä henkilö on juuri sellainen, jolle en soisi aseita.
>>29263135
>ha ha you got mad!
Yeah that tends to happen when you're arguing with a monkey that just shits on the board. And unfortunately for you, I already have guns.
>>29263453
>unfortunately for you, I already have guns
Onko tämä uhkaus?
>>29263488
Get the fuck out.
>>29259314
>moot's opinion doesn't mean anything
He used to own this town.
>>29261268
No, not even that guy, but no it's not a good comparison at all.
This is exactly the shit I was talking about in the Sheepdog thread too.
Arrogant fucks who act like everyone else is just a 'victim waiting to happen', who's going to get their entire family killed because they don't sleep with a loaded gun under the pillow. Or because they think a pistol or shotgun is good enough for home defense, instead of an AR-15 because you never know when you're going to be attacked by 20 home invaders at once.
>>29262196
I still laugh to that.
Two hours, just a hundred kilometers and i'm on the swiss border.
When SHTF i'll be trying to go there and i'll forget ever being italian to fully embrace switzerland.
>>29263989
Explain why you think it's not a good comparison. I'll wait.
>>29257779
Fuck the EU and the new european dictators
>>29261968
>Generally it's not a good idea to be in bad terms with someone that surrounds you completely.
Nothing new for us
>>29260000
This is a shitty situation
>>29263657
Puhutko edes suomea?
>>29257781
Czech Republic will be left out. Czech government can't afford several dozen thousand Czech gun owners turning up at police stations on the day the ban takes effect and declaring their guns lost. This is a scenario gun right groups are actively promoting here right now.
>>29257846
>Czech
CH is member of EFTA and of Schengen Agreement. What it basically means is that Switzerland is bound to implement basically all of EU law, but doesn't get to sit at the table where the law is made. It is the worst deal possible actually.
>>29260184
What do you mean by "mounted accessories"?
Also, add lasers, especially for sub-compact guns.
>>29260349
No, not Finland.
As long as a country doesn't have shall issue concealed carry, it gun laws suck.
>>29258079
Saluto nex alea.
>>29258442
>CN
Cyanide?
>>29260096
Do you know why it takes a war to teach Americans geography?
Because everywhere else is irrelevant unless we have to go there to fuck someone up.
>>29257781
>France?
Lol no
All this bullshit was started by Cazeneuve, French minister of interior, who went and cried about muh 130 deaths in front of the EU comission to ban everything EU wide. Regardless of the outcome, this shit is going to hit France the hardest of all countries. June 2016 is the time when everything is banned in France.
>>29266054
France, Belgium and the UK are the shitholes of europe
they absolutely undeniably breed the most islamic problems without any means to counter it
so they ban guns, piece by piece
>>29257781
France are the cucks that started this
I hope Belgium is left out, our laws are already shitty enough
>>29260123
>from what i understand the walloons have been a lot more succesfull at keeping their guns hidden then the flemish.
Can confirm that, gun culture is (relatively) much stronger in wallonia than in flanders
>>29266158
i hope you get fucked by muslim niggers
I already knew that they were just going to exempt people in militias from the gun ban, but I was called paranoid and crazy.
When our minister Sommaruga told that shit, I immediately understood that she was just talking about the people in the army that take their rifles home.
Basically everyone else will lose their guns here in Switzerland.
Better start selling those Stgw 57/90 and start buying Standardgewehr and K31s if you still want to practice 300m shooting.
>>29258991
It's the white genocide stupid.
Aren't Germans buying every can of pepper spray, baton, tazer, and semi-auto firearm they can get there hands on right now?
>Are we about to see the breaking point?
I want it to be Reich time again, I want to see Germans just go "Fuck it, enough sand niggers" and start shooting people in the street.
>>29257718
>sporting rifles
>weapons of war
Yep im off to plink someone to death with a 10/22.
But fucking seriously everyone in this thread that is from the UK. Make sure you vote out in the referendum. Its the only way to stop this shit effecting us
>>29259807
>>29259770
There laws are indeed not great, but honestly the cities not too bad. You can avoid the retards
>>29265961
>As long as a country doesn't have shall issue concealed carry, it gun laws suck.
As long as a country has laws that limit sights, accessories and ammunition it's gun laws suck.
>>29266718
If this shit passes go straight to assassination, using a gun can't make it worse because they are planning on making everyone Scotland anyway. Just start killing politicianc in lead roles at the EU with hunting rifles.
>>29266718
Until conservatives ban firearms anyways out of spite.
>>29266718
UK has most fucked up gun laws in EU. Your gun laws are already worse than this pile of shit.
>>29258079
>world is destroyed
>by nukes
>Japan the only surviving nation
>Radiation means crops always yield good, fish breed better. All Japanese mutate into anime characters
>Livin the dream
>Not though, because dead
>>29266785
You can compensate each of these issues.
But having silencer, accessories, etc. is worth nothing if you can't have the gun on you for self defense at all.
Again, what do you mean by "accessories"?
>>29266795
Cameron has been pushing EU Gun Ban pretty badly. It is clear he will push it nationally if the EU push fails.
>>29257718
Public Hearing
Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection
The revision of the Firearms Directive
Live stream (starts 15:00 CET): http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/committees/video?event=20160315-1500-COMMITTEE-IMCO
>>29266785
> sights - only night vision
> accessories - what?
> ammunition - I agree on that, I hate to carry semi-jacketed rounds for SD instead of HP
On the other hand, I can legally CC this in the Czech Republic. http://files.gunexpert.cz/system_preview_detail_200003497-5fbe660b81/Orezana.JPG
>>29266849
>accessories - what?
I guess he meant laser pointers and supresors.
Whats your plan if this shit become our law fellow czechbro? I plan on buying some vz rifles if I save enough money and then tragic boating accident on Lipno Dam maybe.
>>29266829
Shit like sights and silencers. Those usually aren't part of gun... so those are accessories.
>>29266849
Night sight isn't just another sight, next thing they will ban will be modified irons. Total fascism.
>>29266838
Im goin to the dentist in 30min... is there a way to record this or wiew it later today? Thanks
>>29258972
>>29258993
Many countries in Europe have this; it's only for airguns exceeding a certain velocity of the projectile.
Just get normal guns, why even bother with that airshit?
>>29260334
>forced conscription
nice shitposting, enjoy the arab dick western friend
>>29260022
they've been trying since FDR, they wont get anymore outside of the liberal coastal cities, and we're all jut waiting until we can shermanize them
>>29266905
>Total fascism
Yet another person, who doesn't know anything about fascism. Ideologically gun ownership suits fascism very well, because the goal is to enhance the quality of the people, so hunting skills, sports and military skills are encouraged. Nazis removed or relaxed many gun laws during their time.
>>29267028
No, they didn't.
>>29266882
I'd expect many to do so.
>Ministers seem to have agreed to grant an exception for reservists
That would be funny since it would fuck over women.
Not that they are into guns that much anyway.
>>29267108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany#History_of_firearms_restrictions_in_Germany
And do you have anything to back your claim?
>>29267140
> When the Third Reich gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing ownership for Nazi party members and the military.
Do you even read your own source? You needed to be a Nazi party member to get to guns.
That is akin to saying that Czechoslovak communist gun laws were just fine.
>>29267158
Do you? Party members, military, government workers and hunters were exempt from the from the acquisition permit requirement but other people could also get guns.
>>29266718
>Make sure you vote out in the referendum. Its the only way to stop this shit effecting us
This so much
>>29260530
Who cares. A magazine is a box with an spring in it.
You can 3d print od cnc literally 1000 magazines with an 200 bullets capa ity and they cant find out if you shut your mouth.
>>29266498
Nobody will lose anything, boy. The worst thing that will happen is that selling evil-looking rifles will become forbidden. In Switzerland AP ammo and HP handgun ammo got forbidden years ago. The police didn't raid houses and gun shop to confiscate ammo boxes. The shops simply couldn't purchase those types of ammo anymore and as soon as the stock were empty, this ammo types disappeared.
Anyway, the EU parliament, with the exception of the French, British and Belgian cum jizzlers, rejected the proposition as a whole. Now the commission has to formulate a new project, that will most likely get BTFO'd again until it gets so much watered down that it can find a consensus. In the mean time the useless EU parliament is having a discussion with stakeholders regarding the proposition (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/committees/video?event=20160315-1500-COMMITTEE-IMCO). Sadly I cannot follow it.
This whole thing simply shows one thing. France, UK, and Belgium are the greatest cesspools of all Europe. I mean even giant cucks like Germany and Sweden rejected the project.
>>29260611
The whole thing is a draft and it won't find any consensus. All EU ministers of all countries -3 cucks are against that whole bullshit and don't really want to deal with it.
>>29267178
Not really. The Third Reich's main legal motto was that Recht ist, was dem Volke nützt ("Whatever serves the German nation is the law"). In reality you needed to be party member in order to be able to be armed.
>>29266552
this
>>29267893
>In reality you needed to be party member in order to be able to be armed.
I want a source for this. As far as I know, only Jews were unable to acquire guns.
>>29268026
Yes, anybody who did as much as voice a concern about Nazi party being at power could be at any time thrown into a concentration camp, but otherwise they could at any time buy any guns. (/sarc)
>>29266700
>Aren't Germans buying every can of pepper spray, baton, tazer, and semi-auto firearm they can get there hands on right now?
Yes. Many are.
>>29266700
>I want it to be Reich time again, I want to see Germans just go "Fuck it, enough sand niggers" and start shooting people in the street.
The time might be closer than we think. The right wing populist AfD party is gaining a lot of votes in the last two weeks, reaching as much as 20ish% in some states. Thats a fucking lot for a party that didn't exist 2 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, they're fucking idiots spouting racismo-populist slogans all over the place with not really any platform except "no more sand niggers" and are more or less unelectable for any sane human...
but then
>2010-2012 economy crisis
>2016 AfD 20% in some of the the Landtags
>2018 AfD absolute majority in the Reichstag
>2024 invading Poland I guess
history repeating itself right here.
>>29268251
>not really any platform except "no more sand niggers"
Let a couple more terror attacks and a mass rape go down and that alone will get them elected.
Time to start practicing with the bow I guess. This is the last projectile weapon no one can take from you.
>>29268432
Your continent is literally being taken over. If you fold and just pick up archery you're a tool.
>>29268251
So germans are arming up and getting more nationalistic?
>AWESOME
>>29268251
>invading poland
Isn't that just par the course for germany?
Aren't guns already banned?
>>29268488
You propose to do nothing and just give in? Archery is better than nothing you shitlord.
>>29268251
> The right wing populist AfD party is gaining a lot of votes in the last two weeks, reaching as much as 20ish% in some states. Thats a fucking lot for a party that didn't exist 2 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, they're fucking idiots spouting racismo-populist slogans all over the place with not really any platform except "no more sand niggers" and are more or less unelectable for any sane human...
but then
I am not following the German politics too closely, but it seems to me that AFD is being unjustly framed into what you are describing by the main stream media and German left.
>>29268251
>fucking idiots spouting racismo-populist slogans all over the place with not really any platform except "no more sand niggers"
Also, didn't they start as anti-EU and anti bail-out party? Which given where EU is headed right now seems quite reasonable.
>>29268432
>>29268612
The end goal of gun control is the complete ban of any object that can fire a projectile, and that includes bows. See Australia and the greens banning crossbows, currently trying to ban compound bows, and next all kinds of bows.
>inb4 bows are easy to make yourself
So are pipe guns.
>>29262271
>Canadian police likes guns
Nice meme
Next you'll say hunter associations like them too
>>29268638
The AFD originally started as a group that simply opposed the euro and then developed into a much more general euroskeptic party that also strongly opposed immigration.
Although if I'm not mistaken there have been a significant number of them arrested for being nazis.
>>29269121
>Although if I'm not mistaken there have been a significant number of them arrested for being nazis.
My mistake, that was the National Front.
>>29268233
But you could still get guns. And don't forget that they were elected.
>>29268233
>nazis were evil
>hitler's germany hell on earth
Yeah, you can sod right off.
>>29269646
FUck off with your Nazi propaganda.
>>29265609
i heard CH is armed like fuck under every small boulder is a MG hidden
>>29266700
yeah peperspray sales raised 700%
http://www.epochtimes.de/politik/deutschland/waffenhaendler-verzeichnen-steigende-nachfrage-a1297509.html
>>29269760
Find a flaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc
did anybody record?
>>29259933
Switzerland is the less worse with CZ
Hey guys, anyone know what Belgistan said to this proposal ?
I want to know if I'm gonna become a homeless person in a foreign land or if this shithole is still salvageable.
>>29271265
No idea.
But it won't prevent me from CC'ing everyday anyway.
>shooting happens in LLN, terrorists stopped a civilian
I would be damn happy. Guns are why i'm studying engineering
>>29271456
Did you actually get a permit or are you fighting the power ?
Either way, I can definitely respect doing so but just wondering if anyone in this shithole get their request approved.
>>29271265
I wrote to literally all Belgian EU representatives, and nearly all of them wrote back to say they supported the more harmless things like cross-border cooperation on firearm tracking, stronger outside border control to combat gun trafficking, and the more robust firearm deactivation requirements, but they're either mute or very vague about the actual ban on semi-autos.
I say write to the Belgian EU reps (or whatever EU country you're from), it actually does pay off, they really do read and respond.
Consider yourself a cuck if you don't.
>>29271535
Permit to carry in belgium requires very specific reasons that none of the average belgian citizen will ever match.
>>29271535
Nobdy gets approved unless judge, magistrate or some shit like that.
>planning on getting armorist autorization
Will fight the power anyway
>>29271537
care to give email addresses?
>>29271608
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/map.html
Just click on your country, and write to every single cunt on the list.
Tell them something along the lines of "it makes no sense to ban legal semi-autos, when terrorists almost exclusively use ILLEGAL weapons, like they did in the 2015 Paris attacks".
