Hello /k/ommandos, in a couple of months, I will be moving out of my parents' house and into an apartment with my fiance. My fiance's family and some of my friends have been telling me to get a gun for the house, and after some thinking I have come to agree.
I'm a huge russaboo, I have a hard-on for Soviet era items, and I have done target practice with a Mosin Nagant in the past. I'm currently looking into getting a Makarov. Thoughts and suggestions? My backup gunfu is the 1911. Tell me what you guys have for home defense, what I should be looking at, and if I'm being a little ridiculous.
>>29237361
Oh, and I left out that I know what Glocks are. I've fired Glocks, I know they are reliable, but I am not the biggest fan. I am honestly completely turned off by their aesthetics.
Either is fine but don't be a fucking retard who thinks that you can shoot .380 or 9x19 in the Mak
Personally, I prefer the 1911 because 9x18 is pretty anemic and you have a lot more options for 1911s and 1911 accessories and gear
>>29237381
Thanks. I was a little confused while looking for Maks for sale. People were listing them as .380, but I was pretty certain they were only 9x18.
9x18 will kill a dindu dead, .45 will too.
9x18 is somewhat scarce while .45 is everywhere.
Makarov will probably be cheaper than a 1911.
All of these are moot points because you should be using an AR loaded with 55gr soft point/hunting ammo for home defense
>>29237388
Well, there are Maks in .380 that were made specifically for export.
But because the cartridgessome somewhat similar dimensions and ballistics, a lot of people think they're interchangeable but they are not.
Whichever one you get, just make sure that you use the correct cartridge for it. That's the overall thing I'm getting at.
I love Makarovs and guns using the 9x18. The guns are cheap, the ammo (if you buy online) is fairly cheap, and they are very reliable. As for size, I don't know how big your hands are, but the Makarov is on the smaller side. I find it perfect for me, but you might not like it.
It's a good protection weapon on a budget. And it won't blow your eardrums out either, as they aren't very loud.
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>>29237443
Excellent. You /k/ommandos are pretty awesome. Yeah, I'm moving toward Indy and just want to keep dindus and meth heads out, if they happen to be around. Sincere thanks for the advice from a /v/irgin visitor!
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>>29237361
For ccw get something small light and made out of polymer, for HD get something big that is comfortable to you and has a big capacity, 9 or 45 works, Slavic guns are shit compared to Western equivalents, take it from a real Slav
If you cant find one locally the online website classic firearms has Bulgarian makarovs still for sale.
Look up a bit on them and youll see the different kinds, milsurp bulgy, russian, east german and chinese, and commercial russians with different sights.
>>29237361
I suppose you like the aesthetics of a dick for a grip?
>>29237381
>9x18
>anemic
It's a handgun cartridge. They're all "anemic".
9x18 is essentially the hottest .380 round you can find.
>>29237548
And .380 is significantly less powerful than .45, .40, 9x19, or 10mm
It's an anemic cartridge by all metrics, especially when compared with other more popular handgun cartridges
>>29237361
>slavaboo
Ill put you in the fucking ground, vatnik
>>29237566
European police used .32 ACP (7.62 Browning) for much of the 20th century. American police used .38 Special well into the 70s.
It's not like much has really changed besides capacity. .380, 9x18, .45, etc with proper shot placement will kill things dead.
>>29237603
typo, American police used .38 Special well into the 80s.
>>29237603
Well no shit. We can be arguing about how .22 is an adequate round for self defense if we think about it like that.
Anything less than .380 in todays world is only selling your life short.
>>29237496
>Can't unsee.
>>29237622
.22 isn't adequate for self defense because it lacks penetration and reliability. Don't take arguments to extremes.
>>29237622
Not the guy's arguing, but
>Anything less than .380 in todays world is only selling your life short.
.380 (aka 9x17) is the base line for self defense because it can get the job done. 9x18 is still a weak round, but it will work if its what you have.
>>29237676
Not that guy, but .22 kills more people in the US every year than any other round. I think it's hard to argue that it isn't at the very least, 'adequate'. Granted, this is more because it's cheap and widely available, but still. A bullet is a bullet. If you get shot in the head it really doesn't matter if it was a .22 or a .50 AE, either way you're not getting up. Any round is "adequate" for self defense, but that alone doesn't mean it's a good idea to use them for self defense, as some rounds are just objectively more effective than others.
>>29237729
>Not that guy, but .22 kills more people in the US every year than any other round.
that still doesn't mean it's adequate for SD
>Any round is "adequate" for self defense
I would never trust a .22 for SD. Rimfire cartridges are inherently unreliable compared to centerfire cartridges and .22 penetrates on average about 10 inches from 16 inch barrel. In a pistol it's not going to do the job well enough.
>>29237729
The .22 thing is a myth, in the 90's .38 special revolvers were common and i'd bet that 9mm luger has passed it by now.
Buy a shotgun nigga, 12 gauge heavy game loads kill shit deader than 9x18 can
>>29237830
>carrying a 12 gauge
>>29237768
I'm not really arguing the point that people should use .22 for self defense, I agree that's silly and a bad idea. As I said later in my post, a rounds ability to kill in and of itself doesn't necessarily make it a good idea to use it. All i'm really trying to say is that if the only gun you had was a .22, then that's way better than nothing. It's not like some home invader is just going to be like "lol did he seriously just shoot me with a .22? I'm not even going to bother bleeding, what an idiot." As I said a bullet is a bullet. Some are obviously better than others, but every single one is capable of ending human life.
>>29237800
I really wouldn't be surprised. I fully admit it's just an anecdote I've heard over the years and have no actual information to back it up.
>>29237838
>thread about home defense
>'carrying'
wew
>>29237998
>he doesn't carry at home
wew lad
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>>29238082
>carrying
>not just having loaded guns strategically placed around your home, always within arms reach
>>29238161
>burglar finds your guns when ransacking your house
>now he and you both have a gun if he didn't before
Not a good idea
>>29238313
>I'm your huckleberry
>>29237443
My Mak leaves me more deaf than my 1911
>>29237361
>turned off by glock aesthetics
good thing that isn't an attribute you consider for a carry gun
>9x18
>anemic
>45 stoppin powah
There is little to zero difference in the lethality of different handgun cartridges. They all will kill Jamal al Fayid, and they all suck compared to intermediate cartridges.
Build a 300BLK AR pistol or buy an M92/M85, and a suppressor. SBR or an arm brace, just shoulder it in an emergency.
>>29237566
>380 is significantly less powerful than .45, .40, 9x19, or 10mm
It's actually not, though.
Less energy, yes
Less lethal, not by any significant measure. Less than one percentage point.
>>29238351
because 9x18 is supersonic, whereas .45 isn't
>>29237361
Maks look fun, but are all the Makarov mag releases garbage? Felt up one the other day and that was a massive pain in the ass, pinching the bottom of the gun and yanking. Ive heard it was a different release but I didn't think it was that bad.
>>29239019
It's pretty garbage, yeah. definitely not made for quick mag changes. I think it's pretty adequate for a cheap fun pistol.
You can always get a CZ 82, but they're actually pretty expensive these days.
>>29239155
Yeah, I can't even find any Cz's online. And the closest private sales are minimum 8 hour drives.
Really want to shoot the mak to see if it makes up for it, cuz I was super bummed about that mag release.
>>29237535
>classic firearms
For the low low price of $230 You can get a good Tokarev which shoots 7.62x25. Basically a long, fast, shouldered 9 mil. It's armor piercing and you can shoot it for cheap if you buy ammo online. Reliable too. A classic.
>>29240002
It's not that bad. Heel release was good enough for Euro firearms for 90 years.
Just don't use the MAk in a role where you need to put 2 or more mags downrange immediately. Mine makes a fine range toy and under-the-steering-wheel gun.
Love my makarov.
Pros
Tough as nails
Extremely reliable
Very accurate
Cons
Rarer ammo
Pretty clunky trigger
Racking slide takes a lotta force
Blowback design makes recoil feel quite different from other pistols.
>>29238620
rong
>>29240403
>Blowback design makes recoil feel quite different from other pistols.
ive never noticed any difference
>>29240497
I feel like it goes straight back into my hands in a way that makes my lean in need to be a bit different in order not to heel it.
>>29240098
Literally no. TTs suck ass.
>>29237361
Sorry, OP. Slavshit is called shit because it's shit. It is not a term of endearment. Buying slavshit to protect your family because of your fetish is reckless and irresponsible.
Buy a Glock.
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>>29237361
OP, I'm a huge slavaboo as well, and I own a Bulgy Makarov.
It's accurate for short-ranged shooting in ideal conditions. The 9mm Makarov cartridge was good enough for the gorillion soldiers and other personnel who duty-carried this weapon. They're also cheap and they conceal well, despite their weight.
Some negatives of the platform are:
-Absolute shit sights compared to other pistols. The front sight blade disappears if you're attempting to aim the damn gun at any dark colored object. Seriously, if any anons have advice on how to make the front sight blade more visible (considering painting it with enamel paint and some sort of clearcoat, haven't decided yet), please enlighten me.
-9mm Luger is simply a better 9mm. More options, better availability, better ballistics. I shoot cheap Tula steel out of my Mak, so maybe I shouldn't talk, though. Also, Hornady makes Critical Defense in 9mm Mak, so there are at least some decent defense rounds out there.
-Trigger is so-so compared to other weapons.
-Slide-mounted safety may turn you off, but I carry with my safety off so it doesn't bother me. I do, however, like the fact that the Mak has a decocker.
-Changing mags can be a chore if you don't practice it. Mags are tough to find.
Aside from the obvious pros ("It works", "it's reliable", and "it's not a Hi-Point"), here are some random things that I like about the gun:
+Mine came with a sick holster. It's not practical, but goddamn is it cool.
+Easy to disassemble (just don't try and take out the extractor after you remove the cosmo initially. That thing is a bitch to put back in) for cleaning
+I like heavy guns, so it's a comforting weight on my hip.
+Dick grips feel really good in the hand. But hey, as a lifelong masturbator, it's unsurprising that it came naturally for me
Honestly OP, it's a great carry gun, but I prefer my Beretta 92A1 for home defense. Here's a pic of my Mak, though.
>>29240904
>have advice on how to make the front sight blade more visible
White nail polish
hell the old Soviet trick was to put some toothpaste on it
>>29240955
Just that? Should I put something else over it?
>>29240963
you can put clear over it if you want, it's no big deal to replace if it wears off (which will take awhile). One vial is enough for a few hundred applications.
>>29240985
My nigga. I'll have to try that. Thanks!
>>29240565
you're a crazy person
>>29240488
Newfag detected. Look at the velocities nigger
>>29241100
you're literally an idiot
>>29241100
Speed of sound: 1,100 fps
45 acp - 800-900 fps
9x18 - 1000-1100 fps
>>29241127
He's not really wrong, 45acp is slower than the speed of sound, 9x18 fires at the speed of sound
>>29241139
speed of sound is 1125 fps
mak shoots 1000 - 1050
science
>>29238620
>>29240488
>>29241100
>>29241127
9x18 is not reliably subsonic even out of a mak.
>>29241131
>>29241190
speed of sound varies with air pressure, humidity, temperature, etc.
It's not subsonic unless it's reliably below the speed of sound in your conditions.
>>29241257
lol what an autist
i've been shooting maks for over 35 years and i've never had one break the sound barrier
>>29241257
>>29241279
>for over 35 years and i've never had one break the sound barrier
you chrono-ing them all or are you listening for sonic booms from BEHIND the bullet?
Yeah get a mak....my mom was with the GDR Kripo and she was county champion with the mak . And she said it's shit. She prefers now a CZ85 with Lasersigth grips and 16 round mag.
>>29240403
>racking slide takes alotta force
Mine is literally the smoothest out of all the handguns I own. Anomaly?
>>29241307
>My Mak leaves me more deaf than my 1911
>>29241548
idk man, the stock spring on a mak is 7 pounds. no normal human could possibly compress a spring with the inhuman strength of 7 pounds
>>29241307
>my mak is louder than my 1911 because it's supersonic
>are you listening for sonic booms from BEHIND the bullet?
Now do you see why people are treating you like a retard?
>>29241767
>>29241548
It's just harder to rack than the other pistols I've been shooting (92fs, 1911) just something for OP to consider.
Your opinion may differ from mine.
>>29241872
>It's just harder to rack than the other pistols I've been shooting
Hey i'm with you man. a 7 pound spring is no joke
>>29240403
>Cons
>Rarer ammo
20 cpr online
>Pretty clunky trigger
Yea, but the SA is surprisingly crisp and easy
>Racking slide takes a lotta force
If you're a woman
>Blowback design makes recoil feel quite different from other pistols.
It's snappy for sure, get a 19lb recoil spring it helps
>>29237566
The difference between 9x18 and 9x19 Luger is almost nil.
Fuck off, retard.
