What 556 ammo do you stockpile for SHTF?
I have a 10.5 SBR and a 16 Rifle, and I have been thinking about getting some M855 (Actually, PMC X-Tac 62gr Green tip, since LC stuff is all rejects)
What do you stockpile?
>>29081665
>you can't buy this ammunition if you're not a LEO
SHALL
NOT BE
INFRINGED
>>29081681
Even Federal HST 124gr +P is marked LEO since LEO's use it I guess
Doesn't stop me from buying it, and I am not an LEO
>>29081689
I'm mostly just being autistic. I know that firearms marked as "only for LEO/government use" can only be purchased by those individuals, but I'm assuming the same doesn't hold true for some ammo marked as such?
>e.g.: "armor piercing" 5.7 rounds
that one autistic tripfag sez he buys them all the time for his FiveseveN and P90
>>29081739
I have some Colt lowers marked LEO/Military, and AR mags marked the same
That stamp means nothing. As long as its not violating NFA rules you are good to own it.
Maybe Kalifornia and Nazi places have rules like that? I am not sure
>>29081773
To be completely honest with you fampai I haven't bought any guns yet since all of mine are heirlooms passed down from my grandpep.
But I see guns on the HK or Glock websites that say "RESTRICTED FOR LEO/GOVERNMENT/MILITARY PERSONNEL ONLY" and they're not NFA items in the least, just plain 'ol pistols
I live in Texas if that matters any
>>29081665
Poorfag with a 16" 1:7
Am I better off with M193 or M855 when it comes to accuracy out to 500m?
My understanding is M193 lacks barrier penetration, but maintains accuracy pretty well. 855 is good out to maybe 200m for barrier penetration, but keyholes pretty bad which ruins accuracy
Any other cheap, standardized rounds I should look for?
pic not related
>>29081665
I stockpile my own mk262 clone round. 77gr SMK with Ramshot TAC 2 powder in LC brass. Works great in my SBRs and my 16" rifles.
>>29082006
How much does it cost you per round?
I currently live in apartment and don't really have the space to reload
>>29081958
M193,M855, and Mk262 are poor barrier rounds. NONE of which can be considered barrier blind.
MK318 is the closest barrier blind round out of all the mil rounds, with the exception of M995. It is NOT bonded and is NOT as good as other barrier blind loadings currently on the civilian market.
Good loads are found @ pistol training forum under their ammo tab for various twist rates.
The number one round right now for self defense with a SBR is 50gr TSX Optimized loaded by Black Hills and it is NOT the same as 50gr TSX offered outside of the Black Hills loading.
>>29082105
I am not talking for self defense, I am looking for something cheap enough to stockpile a few thousand rounds with no problem
SHTF, like Civil war or some crap
>>29082080
Probably about $0.15 per round, but I'm on my 4th or 5th reload. I buy factory SMK seconds from Powder Valley Inc to help keep costs down and they are just as accurate as non-seconds.
Anyone can reload regardless of space. All you need is a small workbench and you're all set to go. Hell, you could go to Salvation Army, get a cheapo desk and a C-clamp and you would be fine.
>>29081797
It's up to the companies, but it doesn't mean you can't buy it. It's all about availability tho, same with 5.7 AP mentioned in >>29081739
>>29082132
Oh. Then you don't need TAP.
M193 is he cheaper option, offers (okay) fragmentation at greater range, and penetrates common steel plates that M855 is defeated by.
Just don't be fooled by those people who claim M193 is the best thing for HD or whatever because the fragmentation is about a reliable as M855 which is to say not very.
I personally have M855 as my ACOG is calibrated for it. Baring BDC compatibility M193 is the more effective and cheaper round.
Another wildcard is the cheaper Silver Bear 62gr HP load. There were some neat gel tests from the round from MrGuns&gear but, I don't trust Russian QC from lot to lot.
>>29082212
I have put 500 rounds of the colt 62 grain (silver bear) through my ar and ive never had a single problem
>>29081665
I stockpile some cheap wolf gold m193. itta do.
>>29083868
cpr?
>>29081665
>What 556 ammo do you stockpile for SHTF?
7.62 nato
and 7.62 x 39
>>29081665
>LC stuff is all rejects
that's a myth
>>29081681
But ammo isn't "arms" now is it?
The cheapest.
>>29081665
I stockpiled (not really just a few hundred rounds) the pmc x-tac green tip because the xm855 I bought was garbage defects.
No really, I'm serious.
The ammo is fine but there are people on k who say m193 is the way to go.
I dunno...
OP here,
Just ordered
Order:
Item: ZQI-ss109 - case
Description: 1200 round case - 5.56 x 45 mm SS109 Ammo for Sale - ZQI Ammunition 62 Grain FMJ
Paid $0.29c a round, not too bad
I tried out some PPU M855-type, liked it enough, and ordered 2000 rds pretty cheap.
Good enough for me.
I have dis shit loaded in my M1A clips mane
>>29081665
I just stockpile .22lr, myself.
>>29084603
Literally Satan.
>>29084142
The PMC X-tac (Xm193) has a ridiculous muzzle flash. If you're using a brake it might be blinding at night
>>29084680
What do you have against .22s?
A Ruger 10/22 is literally the best gun to have in a SHTF situation.
>>29084755
No, literally Satan for stockpiling .22. At least you're not scalping it.
>>29084765
I have 3500 rounds anon
>I bought it at 6 cents a bullet
>>29081681
It's meant for shooting LEOs.
>>29081665
>What 556 ammo do you stockpile for SHTF?
XM193. works best for the rifle i plan on using if it came down to it.
>>29081739
>I know that firearms marked as "only for LEO/government use" can only be purchased by those individuals
not true, that's just marketing leftover from the 94 ban. as long as you follow NFA and your local laws you're generally allowed to buy whatever you fucking want.
>>29081665
I have 2.5k of Fiocchi 40 grain Vmax stockpiled.
>>29081797
HK marks them that way because they are contract parts and part of the mold or stamp that was originally made in the 90's. L3 Eotech has the same markings on the side as does some surefire lights.
in 1994, there was a ban on all magazines bigger than 10 rounds, and on guns that had certain features like flash hiders. none of that applies anymore, but the markings remain floating around.
>>29081958
with a 1:7 you are better off with heavier 68gr+ bullets as the twist is a little too fast for lighter stuff. 75gr is the sweet spot for 1:7.
>>29084685
Supressor, so its not really any issue
>>29082212
M193 is precise in how it fragments. it requires 2700fps or greater at 75 yards out to 300 yards. anything outside that will not fragment.
as i use an old SP1 with a DIAS, the 1:12 twist works great with M193 out of the 20" barrel. it's fucking mean and shatters on pretty much any substantial barrier, tearing through meat easily (i've shot deer with it once to try it out).
>>29084765
>At least you're not scalping it.
But anon...
What if I am?
None of it. I'm not getting into a battle with poodles.
>>29084999
Then you're literally LITERALLY Satan.
>>29084933
How does this affect trajectory and terminal ballistics with M193?
What heavier round would I look for specifically. I realize M855 is still a little light...but is it more suited for 1:7?
>>29085628
You came here wanting M855 and bought it. Why worry?
It's fine for 1/7. Also, there's way more to it than just twist and gr. For example, M855 is longer than lead filled 62gr as it has a steel penetrator which is lighter and causes the bullet to be longer for the same gr. This also effects stability.
M855/M193 a shit desu but it's better than nothing.
>>29083776
Worried about expansion consistency, not function. I want to see it on a couple dozen hogs, with varying production lots and years before I recommend it to anyone.
>>29085829
so I'm looking at mk262?
How does that compare to M193 cost wise?
>>29085628
55gr is at the lower stablizing point for 1:7. the lighter bullets tend to be shorter and a fast spin won't be as effective against keyholing. that's all. it'll still work fine, just not ideal.
>>29081665
Black Hills 62gr Barnes TSX
>>29085829
that graphic is wrong.
the 1:14 twist was used originally but found to not stablize anything worth a damn. 1:12 was chosen and used up until the 80's where tracer fire was more common with longer and heavier bullets typically, so 1:7 was chosen as a "works with most things well enough".
M855 is "okay", and M193 is generally better overall for consistent fragmentation within a specific window, just not in carbines.
i agree that if op has a lot of M855, that 1:7 is towards the bottom end of "good", but isn't ideal.
>>29085901
What's the maximum effective range?
If I understand correctly, keyholing greatly increases lethality but negatively affects trajectory/range
>>29085869
The real question is why? MK262 was hot shit a decade ago when the MK12 program was active. It's dead and gone now and we have way better bullets for the money.
Ammoseek has it for 70+ cpr.
Best plan: forget having crates of premium ammo. Buy 200-300rds of a good bonded bullet, zero your optic for that load and keep HD magazines loaded with it. Train with cheap steel shit of any price and bullet weight. Rotate out "good" ammo every year.
>>29085936
Not my graphic, good eye. Probably just a typo. The twist rate info is still valid.
