China's military
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Hey /k/ I've gotten interested in the PLA, and how shitty it is.
>>28936121
I wish the Chinks would bomb ISIS, purely so that I can see their stuff in action. Same with the japs.
>>28936121
>China's military
>People's Liberation Army
pick one, the PLA is the military of the Chinese Communist Party, not China
So that's how shitty it is.
>>28936121
>Navy is called the People's Liberation Army Navy
>Liberation Army
>Enslaves Citizens
>>28936121
I wonder how well the organization is administrated
Put it this way.
They're only a little better than the Indian Army. Yes. They're THAT bad.
>>28936121
I just want to see them DO something with it already.
Why does /k/ circlejerk over the US army so much?
>>28936408
>war in the mao years that china WINS
>hurr chink bad
fucking yanks
>>28936493
Oh I'm sorry I thought we were having a conversation, not hyping the Chinese military into something it blatantly isn't
>CHINA STRONK
You can't argue against 5 million men with AK's, but you can argue the logistics needed to transport and supply them.
>>28936609
you were implying china got rekt fighting india, when it clearly wasn't
>>28936464
Soon, we will own this board.
Honest answer is no one really knows, they haven't been in a significant conflict in decades.
>>28936386
Hard to tell. The military is controlled by the party. Meaning it could be far more corrupt than US defense industry...without the whistle blowers and media coverage of failures.
>>28936464
Because the US Army is very powerful
>>28936493
That was 55 years ago m8
>>28936661
I'm not that guy so I didn't imply anything. China military a shit.
>>28936121
this
>>28936638
china has a gorillion men but almost zero projection capabilities.
that being said, ICBMs have the final say in superpowers anyway,
so all US vs China vs Russia discussions are fanfiction.
the real interesting question is how would China do in an Afghan type environment.
>>28936638
Manpower doesn't matter as much anymore when commanders can annihilate entire divisions at a whim.
>>28936661
Beating India in war is like fucking your mother. Everyone's done it, nobody's proud of it and the smell never goes away
>>28936718
>Everyone's done it
Alexander the Great wants to have a word with you.
>>28936703
It's like you didn't read the second half of the sentence.
>>28936718
>woooo we beat this third world shithole called iraq! america stronk!
>china beats india???? wtf guys third world they cheat
>>28936795
But the US did defeat Iraq. It's keeping the peace that has been the problem.
>>28936795
>United States systematically dismantles largest non nuclear opponent in the world while occupying the "graveyard of the empires"
>China has a month long border skirmish slap fight with a race of people who haven't discovered plumbing
>>28936233
It's almost like names are meaningless...
>inb4 someone tells me that Nazis were definitely Socialists because it's in their name
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>>28936883
>>28936684
>gorillion men
Great, now I just imagined the entire Chinese armed forces as a zerg swarm of gorillas with AKs marching in formation.
>>28936899
>women
>military
haha
>>28936408
>They're only a little better than the Indian Army
>Can support a domestic arms industry producing decent hardware and exports a good amount of hardware
>Can fund projects that don't in a corrupt shit throwing fest(Corrupt is debatable)
>Troops are decently equipped, basically only backwater garrison units getting beat up AKs
>Can into hygiene and basic maintenance
>INSAS
They spend more time studying party propaganda than actually deploying against anyone other than the Tibetans or college students.
>>28937293
>can't into body armor
>can't into kevlar helmets
>can't into more than 1 APC per 800 peacetime PLA soldiers
>can't into blue water navy
>can't into aircraft carriers
>can't into 4th gen jets
>>28936883
No, the Nazis were socialists because they attempted to break down class barriers within Germany and create a society in which all members of the volksgemeinschaft were well cared for by the government and society. As shitty as it was, kicking jews out and "redistributing" their wealth to the "German" people was one of the main initiatives of the Nazi government. It's just that modern western-European socialists include pretty much everyone when it comes to their social programs, not just those that can trace their nationality back 150 years and are prime examples of Nazi principals.
>>28936684
People always slam Chinas force projection, but if you stop and think about it a little, you can see the logic.
By not investing at all in force projection, they can keep a million men at arms, and working on improving infrastructure instead of spending on it now, and maintaining it for no benefit. Its not like anyone wants to take on China as they are now.
But if they ever want, they can just turn their massive industry into building hundreds of missile boats the moment they need it, and that would be enough to counter any military in the world in just a few years.
What do you think is the turnaround time on a navy, 5 years?
>>28937329
Are you literate?
Comparing to India (whom don't have any of things) China is miles above.
>can't into 4th gen jets
What is a J-11?
>can't into aircraft carriers
What is the Laoling?
>can't into kevlar helmets
China issues the QGF02, which is "kevlar".
>can't into blue water navy
https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/667e7ff9-b1e4-46cb-b709-555d151d5c3f/WEB_CMS13.pdf.aspx
>can't into more than 1 APC per 800 peacetime PLA soldiers
Do you actually believe this shit? Stop regurgitating memes.
>>28937422
>What is the J-11
A Sukhoi Su-27 with lead paint and other assorted chink gear.
>What is the Laoling
A former Soviet aircraft carrier that sat around in a Ukrainian port until the chinks threw money at it and threw more money at it to refit it.
>Don't know enough about chink helmets to talk
>China having a blue water navy
Maybe if you listen to the Chinese media.
>>28936444
I know, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRK_OMQGQlc
>>28937368
agreed, I wasn't doubting their capabilities to crank out the vehicles needed.
indeed they simply don't need any projection right now.
being involved in major wars is not good for their style of economy, they do business with literally everybody in the world.
not to mention bribing shithole leaders into voluntary submission is way more effective than invading and occupying said shithole, see all those projects in African countries where Chinese companies are extracting resources by the billions.
>>28937368
There is no logic in China not investing in force projection. They rely heavily on imports to sustain their massive population with oil and food, which mostly comes through the Strait of Malacca, controlled by the USN. One of the main reasons they invaded and conquered Tibet was for the fresh water supplies. All those investments in African food production to feed their increasingly unruly population will be for nothing if the USN, pirates, or some other entity decides to cut them off. The US and allies have created a containment ring stretching from Japan - Korea - Taiwan - Philippines - Singapore - Australia, and we can starve them to death in case of war. This is the main impetus for them claiming more territorial waters and islands in the South China Sea. The majority of their armed forces are under regional government control, meant to subdue and pacify their unruly local populace. Now that their economy is unwinding, they are having a harder time maintaining control. The CPC's right to rule was based on an implicit social contract with the people in that the government would provide economic growth and prosperity, and in turn the people would endure and overlook abuses of liberties and human rights. Once economy prosperity is gone, the CPC will lose their mandate to rule. China is in a very bad spot right now.
>>28938544
>not investing in force projection
force projection is expensive, and as already pointed out they rather spend their money on other things.
nearly all of the heavy industry and mass production is ultimately in public hand, they can switch from making cheap civi vehicles to making cheap military vehicles easily should the need for mass mobilization arise.
>we can starve them to death in case of war
no nuclear power would accept death without initiating thermonuclear happy fun time first.
>>28938671
>no nuclear power would accept death without initiating thermonuclear happy fun time first.
It's a little more complicated than that. This isn't like Civilzation where you nuke Dehli and Jerusalem because another player is about to win.
>>28936121
>Hey /k/ I've gotten interested in the PLA, and how shitty it is.
slightly less shitty than JimBob, Jose, and Jamal
>>28938733
are you suggesting they would roll over and say "oh well played, here have our country"?
would the US?
btw Civ is a shit game.
>>28938733
>>28938781
>implying Ghandi hasn't already nuked you first
>>28938834
>implying Ghandi doesn't win the UN election before anybody even gets to build a nuke
>>28938733
>This isn't like Civilzation where you nuke Dehli and Jerusalem because another player is about to win.
>the united states overwhelmes a nation whose armoured divisions were massacred by human wave attacks, spearheaded by child soldiers
>iraq is a srs threat to the world, guise
>also very powerfull
>very very powerfull
Jesus, what is it with these cuckold fantasies?
>>28938984
are you new to the internet or why do delusional retards saying delusional retarded things confuse you?
>>28938984
To >>28936882
Fucking vanishing quotes
>>28936882
>largest non nuclear opponent in the world
>Iraq
>largest non nuclear opponent in the world
>IRAQ
Not even in their prime before they got buttfucked by Iran were they anywhere close to being
>largest non nuclear opponent in the world
Hell the only reason Saddam didn't die right there was all the military aid we sent him.
>>28936661
China actually lost the second war right after that though.
There was a small Kingdom called Sikkim in the Himalayas that they tried to invade.
>>28936775
>Defence Layers
>On non-sovereign soil
Ayyyyyy, let's check out those bases in Philippines.
>>28939090
>Not even in their prime before they got buttfucked by Iran were they anywhere close to being
iraq had the forth largest military in the world before gulf one. the reason the us curb stomped them is because the us generals took the war extremely seriously and pulled some amazing manuevre warfare shit, basically flanking an entire country, coupled with an electronic warfare campaign the likes of which the world had never seen before. allied casualties were expected to be in the tens of thousands. no one expected iraq to collapse like it during during desert storm.
go and read a fucking book.
>>28939130
Keep up with times gramps.
>>28939233
>forth largest
quantity of men and gear is more important than quality since when?
by that logic PLA >>> US Armed Forces, which is BS.
their tank columns where lined up on the highways ready to raped by the AF because they had little experience in combined arms.
their infantry's training and gear was outclassed by several magnitudes.
the Iraqi AF was not bad for a shithole prior to the Iran-Iraq war, but after it was a joke.
EW and Wild Weasel made sure their outdated radar and AA couldn't do shit.
not to mention the Shia majority hated Saddam and his Sunni bros long before the world even knew what an Iraq was, so morale and support was in the toilet.
I am not saying 2003 was a walk in the park but don't pretend the regular forces were an especially tough customer.
the insurgency that followed was and is but for reasons other than military prowess.
>>28939364
he's talking about chinese bases dumbass
The entire SEA is going to become a nuclear backyard in 10-15 years.
Indonesia, Phillipines, and Australia are all going to get Nukes because of Chinese aggression.
Thanks China.
>>28939418
>quantity of men and gear is more important than quality since when?
it's been up for discussion since forever, doubly so after ww2 and throughout the cold war. how old are you?
>their tank columns where lined up on the highways ready to raped by the AF because they had little experience in combined arms.
the highway of death occured when the iraqis were already in general retreat.
incidentally, both the germans and the soviets (us too i believe) doctrine calls for the use of roads for rapid transit to the fight and rapid redeployment of forces in war.
>their infantry's training and gear was outclassed by several magnitudes.
they were a soviet style army with multiple tiers. some units were shit, some weren't.
>the Iraqi AF was not bad for a shithole prior to the Iran-Iraq war, but after it was a joke
ever here about the soviet tank commander being asked how the air war went? this is 25 years ago. air wasn't quite what it is now. most munitions used by the us were unguided. it wasn't the given that kids like you think it was.
>EW and Wild Weasel made sure their outdated radar and AA couldn't do shit.
can you not fucking read. read what i said you retard:
>>28939233
>coupled with an electronic warfare campaign the likes of which the world had never seen before
christ.
>I am not saying 2003 was a walk in the park
desert storm was in 1990 you fucking child. GULF. ONE.
now fuck off out of here.
>>28939914
>how old are you?
>kids like you
what a clever retort, did ad hominem ever work before for you?
>the highway of death
not talking about that, is that literally the only thing you can think of when you hear Iraqi columns?
they awaited the US tanks at their highways because the idea of navigating through the desert with GPS for assaults instead of having to use the roads was unheard of in the Iraqi ranks.
>they were a soviet style army with multiple tiers. some units were shit, some weren't.
most were shit and many deserted.
having a Soviet gun from the 50s doesn't make you Ivan the Operator.
>most munitions used by the us were unguided
several hundred Tomahawks and thousands of laser guided munitions would like to have a word with you.
btw the discussion is about the 2003 war, so even more guided tech there.
>read what i said you retard:
because everything anons reply to you is in disagreement and there can only be counter arguments?
>GULF. ONE.
you jumped into this discussion and started rambling about Desert Storm while we were talking about 2003, how about you fuck off instead?
>>28940066
>you jumped into this discussion and started rambling about Desert Storm while we were talking about 2003, how about you fuck off instead?
you need some reading comprehension you malignant little faggot.
the post i initially replied to, your post:
>>28939090
>>IRAQ
>Not even in their prime before they got buttfucked by Iran were they anywhere close to being largest non nuclear opponent in the world
which was itself replying to:
>>28936882
>United States systematically dismantles largest non nuclear opponent in the world while occupying the "graveyard of the empires"
the only time the us fought iraq when it was the 'largest non-nuclear opponent in the world' was in 1990, gulf one, desert storm, at which point it was estimated at around 1 000 000 men including reservists and auxilaries. that's right, one million men. you are the literal fool. desert storm was the subject of debate from the start. you only missed it because you're a fucking idiot.
the rest of your post, your posts in fact, are nothing but the bro-history of an idiot teenager.. you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, especially 'GPS', an american system, the idea of the iraqis even being allowed to use (the us could simply turn them off, or use it to locate iraqi positions) is simply one of the numerous statements that boggles my fucking mind.
They're improving at a rapid rate. Xi Jinpeng is making sure of it.
>>28940309
>United States systematically dismantles largest non nuclear opponent in the world while occupying the "graveyard of the empires"
>"graveyard of the empires"
is Afghan.
so that means when the US was in Iraq and Afghan, AKA 2003.
follow your own advice and read a book before looking like an idiot on the internet.
>especially 'GPS', an american system, the idea of the iraqis even being allowed to use
how the fuck did you read what I wrote and though I was talking about Iraqi tanks using GPS?
so much for reading comprehension.
please refrain from replying to me it is obvious you are not interested in meaningful debate and are just here to spit your opinions around.
>>28940415
>so that means when the US was in Iraq and Afghan, AKA 2003.
in which instance that poster was as much of a fucking idiot as you are, because in 2003 the iraq armed forces in total were barely the size of germany or iran.
>>28940415
>how the fuck did you read what I wrote and though I was talking about Iraqi tanks using GPS?
because you're a fucking idiot so it was a natural conclusion. it's still a moronic characterization of us doctrine in either war.
>please refrain from replying to me it is obvious you are not interested in meaningful debate and are just here to spit your opinions around.
take a look at your own posts nigger, before i even entered the thread. there is nothing cool, calm or collected about the way you have conducted yourself in this discussion, so i'll tell you right now what you can do with your fedora, m'lady.
>>28940414
China would never build artificial islands in the ocean to loophole international agreements over economic exclusion zones, what are you talking about Gweilo.
>>28940569
shhhh go to bed.
>>28936464
Because the US army is the best damn army there ever was I tell you what
>>28938544
how will we starve them if russia can feed them or any other nation in their land border
>>28942401
easy, we send the marines to dig an ocean between the two
>>28939914
mfw this guy thinks it was FLANKING and not the air war that clearly won gulf I
>>28939091
>China actually lost the second war right after that though.
When they had only farmers with guns, as soliders? Sure
But it's 2016
A study on Chinese children found that 80% of year 12 students in urban areas have myopia (short sighted). The cause seemed to be huge amounts of time spent on computers and tablets from an early age.
How important is long distance sight for a soldier? 50% of Chinese people are predicted to be visually impaired by 2050.
>>28939130
I'm guessing those are only enforced in case of war and only against the actual enemy.
>>28943549
What's wrong with wearing glasses or eye contact in the battlefield?
They have no power projection.
4 LHD that can carry a battalion, and a lot of LCM that are not going to cross an ocean they could get to Taiwan at a stretch maybe
>>28943571
I can see some problems occurring during night raids
>Awwwww fook I grabbed wong grasses
>Oh fu king hell I can't fit night vision goggres over grasses
>Foooook I can't see shrit
>Is dat friend or foe me can't tell
>*Blam* *Blam* *Blam*
>Oh sheet me just kirred captain
>Me so solly!
>>28943642
one can tell you have never been in the military.
>>28943740
If you think everyone being blind in a billion people army is a non issue, all I can say is "okay".
>>28943589
Power Projection is over rated. They have already grabbed the best place of the South China Seas and American 'projection' did nothing. Next would be grabbing Senkaku Islands and 'Power Projection' will do nothing again.
>>28943857
MEOW
>>28937329
Most of the pictures of people you don't see without body armor are in training/garrisons. Usually deployed personnel like peacekeepers or marines sent to fight the pirates get body armor.
>>28943642
You can fit NVGs over full-on goggles, so why not prescription glasses?
>>28943642
>>28943642
oh fuck, im dying! LOL
