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What went wrong?
>>28926540
Nothing? It fills the intended role fine.
>>28926540
Listening to memes on /k/ and thinking it's an AP round.
M855a1 is a pretty serious improvement. Also it wouldnt fragment soon enough which made it a hole puncher in Mogadishu.
>>28926540
Pretending to follow the Hague Convention.
>>28926546
It is pretty good as an LMG round.
>>28926540
A1 will give the AR platform a reputation for being total shit. Too much pressure - > premature failure.
>>28927255
And frankly every other weapon that they decide to feed it through.
>>28926540
https://www.full30.com/video/8e760eb1621d9a96c4419c413b932444
It's inaccurate.
>>28926540
A lot of politics. The M193 has superior ballistics but the SS109 bullet offered better helmet penetration at long range in the NATO trials (which was the testing criteria). The US had entered an 'improved M193', the XM777. This had a 54gr bullet with a hardened steel core.
Here are the four cartridges that were tested in the NATO trials. The M193 was used as a control reference as well as the 7.62mm NATO.
>>28926540
Issues it had was ice picking at certain close ranges, easily influenced by wind drift, horrible barrier penetration andcan be sent deflected course by haning thick branches. M855A1 resolved the ice picking and barrier penetration issue but it's still susceptible to wind drift and deflection by foliage, while increasing barrel and bolt wear. It would have been better if the US simply increased it mass by a few millimeters/caliber (.25", .280"/7mm, 6.5mm, etc) while keeping the high velocity propellant and the case. Not to mention that M855A1 is more expensive to make.
>>28927590
And lead free to boot.
Gotta save the planet you know. Captain Planet would be proud.
>>28927590
>while increasing barrel and bolt wear.
I remember reading it severely decreased barrel life.
>>28927611
>Eco friendly
I don't recall environmental analysis and studies of lead in bullets entoxicating the environment
>>28927660
Exactly, increased wear= decreased life
Can someone give me the basics on the us military 55.6 rounds?
Like what we use now, what we've used in the past, the differences between them etc.
>>28926540
It's not XM556SBCT3.
>>28926540
It's still .223
>>28927361
>5.56 sucks so much some snowflake caliber and a Lincoln log compare to it
>>28927361
do you know where I can get more info for the XM777 round?
In theory the m855 should give better precision and long range penetration out of the 1:7 twists common today because of the bullet weight. In reality it is harder to balance a round with a steel core so in practice m193 is allegedly more accurate though lighter and also better at penetrating at least up close. I have been meaning to test accuracy in my gun but have only been going to indoor range lately so no steel core allowed.
>>28929684
accuracy of m855 is shit because all of the weight is in the tip
>>28926540
The Army didn't use Boat Oar rifles anymore, and M855 depends on a 20" barrel to yaw/fragment reliably.
M855A1 fixed that, though.
>>28930649
Yeah, M855A1 fixed that in the most ass way possible.
>Increased manufacturing costs
>Increased chamber pressure
>Breaks apart in barriers
Hey, at least it's ''green.''
>>28926540
Worked perfectly out of a 20 inch barrel so nothing went wrong unless you are into tiny 14 inch barrels for pussy army faggots who can't handle carrying a 20 inch barrel rifle.
>>28926540
The military doesn't understand that it's weapons are either half as effective as they could be or obsolete.
Wait until somebody's gun blows up. Watch the military try to cover their asses for the next decade because it's "green".
Fuck this country.
>>28929684
Actually the optimum twist rate for the M855 is 1:8". The M856 tracer is longer and needs a faster twist rate do 1:7" was picked as a compromise for the M249 and the rate was carried over to rifles and carbines.
>>28927727
Me either. I doublt we ever will.
>>28930649
>>28930665
There is no reason at all to use M855a1 when Mk318 exists.
>>28930665
Exactly, a simple caliber increase, barrel change, and renecking of the .223/5.56 cartridge could have resolved it easily, efficiently and with reduced costs.
>>28931837
found the guy that failed economics
>>28927727
>In parallel, mounting environmental concerns drove the Army to consider replacing environmentally unfriendly materials such as lead. The Army's ammunition community, led by PEO Ammo, saw an opportunity to address the two concerns associated with the M855 round-lead and consistency.
http://m.army.mil/article/48657
There was no study, just SJWs in the military, "knowing".
>>28931678
>There is no reason at all to use M855a1 when Mk318 exists.
M855a1 has better penetration of some types of body armor. Steel plates close (yes Russians use steel plates) and kevlar at long ranges.
>>28931981
>just SJWs in the military, "knowing".
EPA is not military. They set the rules.
>>28928264
Giving body alterating hormones to kids is what kills me. Whatever happened to you're beautiful no matter what they say? How the fuck do they really expect toddlers to know they want to be another sex?
I feel fear for the kids who do not want to stay with their new assigned gender and are left with a rekt and literally unnatural body that can never go back. I think the adults here are EXTREMELY irresponsible and also deluded.
Again, transgender 3 year olds being given hormones at a young age, in the hopes that their adult body will be more suited to the professed "correct" sex. This is as impossible to reverse as making a vagina into a penis or vice versa.
The kids are stuck with the decision to full-body disfigure themselves, that "they made" as toddlers, for the rest of their lives. There simply must be a better way, this is as terrible as not letting someone be gay if they are gay.
None of this shit permanent body-modification should be considered till adulthood, that includes circumcision too (for any of you cutfags, if you wonder why wearing a condom feels so bad, it's because the most sensitive part of your cock was cut off because your parents thought that would look better).
Circumcision is the most prolific and widespread abuse of children On The Daily, and we treat it like it's normal.
Again, no permanent body modification is ok on children. Allow them to grow up and make these decsions for themselves. HOLY HELL!
>>28932105
We're supposed to base our ammunition choices on an enemy we'll never fight? Shooting armored enemies should be considered a specialized use, same as engaging enemies at long range. And for use against body armor M855a1 is inferior to true AP rounds like M995.
>>28932351
>None of this shit permanent body-modification should be considered till adulthood
And then you fuckers bitch about how they still look like men because they still retain changes from puberty they wouldn't have had if they had timely treatments.
>>28932794
Again, what is so terrible about saying their natural body is beautiful?
What is right about permanently altering someone's body FOR AESTHETICS when they are too young to even drive a car?
Seriously fuck people for saying "you should have been altered as a kid, you wouldn't be ugly now desu"
>>28932985
>Everybody should be comfortable in their own body
>Unless they have gender dysphoria
>Hurr trannies look ugly
>Fuck giving them timely treatment so they develop properly for their mental gender
>>28932351
>Whatever happened to you're beautiful no matter what they say?
People realized it was a patronizing crock of shit twenty years ago.
>>28933063
Again, this is about the care of the child not what people's future sexual opinions on the child.
Permanent alteration of the body is not a decision you make as a child. Adults should not facilitate this, adults should also not force it.
>>28933272
>you're beautiful no matter what anyone else thinks
>somehow evil message
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>>28933373
>>28933272
>>28933063
>>28932985
>>28932794
>>28932351
Quit derailing the thread and take your tranny bickering somewhere else
>>28933418
I guess you shouldn't have asked what the basics of the " military 55.6 rounds" are, fucker.
>>28933373
You keep saying this shit as if gender dysphoria is a choice.
>>28933472
Was there any culture where the gender dysphoric were happy, obviously prior to surgery advances.
There just HAS TO be some other option than starting permanent damage to a kid, these choice a really too big to decide at such a young age.
Would you believe a 3 year old need it? Would you believe a 3 year old will have the same opinion when they're 10, 12, 16, 24?
>>28933464
>Implying I'm that anon
>Being this triggered
Listen here, faggot, the fellow Britbong asked for the differences in the 5.56 ammunition, not political shit from his pic
>>28933569
This one doesn't even make sense, do we just call everything /pol/ now? There several other, better boards than /pol/ for this discussion.
>>28933609
I could have posted it to other places like news, lgbt and such but nah. More or less part of my laziness. it's basically part of politics on gay and transgender issues
>>28933609
If you want to be relocated somewhere else related to this topic that shouldn't be on /k/ in the first place:
>>>/news/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/his/
(I think it's related to the humanities)
>>>/b/
>>>/trash/
There, now pick and choose.
>>28933740
I choose 55.6
>>28926564
if its steel cased then it is AP.
>>28934024
Against IIIa armor maybe. Not against anything that matters.
>>28934024
laugh until I die
>>28934077
>>28934074
ar rounds cant be ap anyways they dont have the power.
>>28934120
Which is why M855a1 shreds AR500 and defeats IV far better than anything else on the market, even contending with most .308?
>>28934120
Are you dumb?
>>28934623
>M855a1 even contending with most .308 where the fuck did you read this garbage.
>>28934642
what are you two gay lovers in the military or something?
>>28934659
M855 penetrates better than most .308 because of the speed and size, dumb fucking nigger.
>>28934683
its marginal and not at the distances .308 can also 5.5 MOA thats almost half a foot pansy ass.
>>28934699
>bragging about 5.5 MOA
>Five
>point
>Five
Dear lord, hang yourself you noguns cuck.
>>28934707
you stupid faggot. 5.5 is your pice of shit M855a1
>>28934726
Lol, fucking source that, faggot.
>inb4 16" barrel tests
>>28934736
people have been testing accuracy in most forums.
>>28928506
>not knowing about caseless ammo
nigga u r pussy and hate german space magic
>>28934748
That's not a source, faggot.
>>28934736
I get sub moa with my m14 dont compare .308 to 2.23
>>28934770
>I can say stuff on the internet so it must be true
Where's
Your
Source
>>28934776
I own one and I get sub moa. National match is a helluva thing.
>>28934781
That's still not a source. You claimed that M855a1 was 5.5 MOA standard. Now you're trying to prove it y saying you hit sub MOA with .308. You're not just moving the goalposts, you're shipping them overseas.
>>28934799
You arent going to listen anyways I told you multiple articles on multiple forums saying this. Google it thats what I did. I'm just wondering why you would compare a 2.23 with a .308 mostly.
>>28934833
You basically said "look yourself" when I asked for a source.
>>28934833
>Implying forum posts count as proof of testing
>>28933472
There's a lot of shit in life that is not a choice and is not pleasant. You deal with by sucking it up and moving on anyhow.
This is one of those things.
Sorry, buttercup.
>>28934835
>>28934836
type this into google.
>>28934836
forums are where you are going to get the least biased information on the internet.
M855a1 5.5 moa
>>28934867
meant to say type this into google M855a1 5.5 moa
>>28927590
what does ice picking mean in that context?
>>28934840
wait a minute do transexuals just go to every board and shitpost about thier lives to see which ones will accept them. Since when do trannies and faggots like guns?
>>28934954
It's slang for failing to fragment. In other words, the 5.56 round fails to fragment in your body and hits you like an ordinary .22
>>28934867
>forums are where you are going to get the least biased information on the internet.
>>28934954
>>28935074
No, it means the round makes a narrow through-and-through wound without much serious injury.
>>28935145
for guns. there really isnt any other source to be honest. I'm not talking about the chins nigga.
>>28935019
Ever heard of the Pink Pistols?
>>28935019
/k/ has always had plenty of queers and crossdressers. Until they started making a big militant deal out of it, nobody cared. We were even kind of proud that we were a big tent whose sole common denominator was that we liked guns. That seems to be breaking down now. Shame about that.
Guys who sexually mutilate themselves are mentally fucking ill. Full stop.
>>28935238
I'm pretty sure those guns have been in at least one ass. does gun cleaner remove feces?
>>28933569
It's reddit or maybe /lgbt/ raiding us....report report report
>>28934867
>Type into google the result you want
>Claims its not biased
WHAT THE FUCK /k/?!
>>28935321
>They don't agree with me, they can't be from /k/!
>>28935355
he wanted sources for my claim. That is the way to get the relative articles numb nuts.
>>28927276
great video, thanks.
>>28935387
Yet you still haven't posted a source.
Regardless, all search results are talking about the contract requirements, not actual testing.
>>28935431
If the contract allows for it you know it will be close to that. Or do you think the government actually wants the best for its soldiers?
>>28935490
Just to be clear, your new argument is that no tests showed 5.5 MOA but this is all you're assumption?
>>28935528
no I'm just getting sick of this conversationand cant be asked. I already said I was mostly wondering why he would compare a .223 to a .308.
>>28926583
Yeah, until it destroys the weapons it's being used in.
>>28928264
god that pic... im fucking triggered
>>28937059
>Slightly increased barrel wear rate
>A concern for the US military
>>28928524
There isn't a great deal of information circulating. Prior to the XM777/XM778 the US had experimented with the Canadian-made 68gr XM287 Ball and XM288 Tracer. The 287/288 examples I have were made in 1971 by Industries Valcartier Inc. for a US contract. Production began in 1969. These have a plain tip and red tip so they look similar to M193/M196 but the projectiles have a more pointed profile closer to the later SS109 bullet. The 777/778's I have were made at Lake City from 1976-1979.
I knew I had taken some photos of the US experimentals, here it is. #3 is especially interesting as it was developed in 1969 for a Colt 5.56mm LMG - the CMG-2.
>>28934623
>anything else on the market
What market? Also what is M955?
Nothing it's just that Somalis are really thin
>>28939010
It is until Sgt Maj insists everyone clean their rifles until they can shoot straight.
Barrel lenght and Geneva conventions. Yes, it's that simple.
>>28944836
>Geneva conventions
What does that have to do with anything?
>>28926540
Nothing.
yfw you are a Soviet conscript and have no face after a bullet gos through your helmet at 600
>>28932119
Conservation isn't conservative senpai. Teddy Rotsevelt was a pussy
>>28935260
People that like shota should be gassed desu. Isn't that right Phil?
>>28945635
Nothing. Anon means the Hague Convention, which bans expanding projectiles, which the US plays along with, but never actually signed. New rounds like the M855A1, the Mk262 and the Mk318 are all sort of expanding rounds, but for rifles penetration is essential. The reason the M855 doesn't have very good performance against soft targets is cause it was made to penetrate steel helmets, and it wasn't designed for 14.5" 1:7 barrels.
>>28945682
Mk262 is a non-expanding ballistic hollow point. It might fragment like M193, but it doesn't mushroom. The M855A1 is a pure fragmenter, designed so the steel tip separates from the copper base.
M855 is a yaw-dependent round, and, somewhat counterintuitively, requires the higher velocity of the 20" barrel to do that.
