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is there a worse gun?
>>28892115
Don't shit talk the tubular clip calico.
>>28892124
it's awesome in concept
buy it's absolute dogshit in execution
>>28892115
>>28892139
What the fuck is that?
>>28892198
>>28892198
It's a .22, for your .22(3)
Cuz I heard you like shootin .22's when you shoot your .22(3)'s
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>>28892208
You must be fucking shitting me. I'm all about putting whatever you want on your gun, but why the fuck would you WANT to do that? Was there someone out there who just really hates having .22, so he designed that to waste it all?
>>28892198
someone held a competition for the worlds most unergonomic handgun and Zipgun™ managed to win by making one with no grip that can shoot you through the hand when cocked (that thing over the barrel)
>>28892230
Oh fuck this is even better. That's not some one off thing one of us cooked up in a vodka and cosmoline fueled fit of madness? An actual company designed this and approved it for commercial sale?
>>28892246
and after 2000 rounds you have to replace all the polymer internals with a $50 kit or it'll break catastrophically.
>>28892246
also, you have to get a $200 sbr stamp to mount it on an underslung rail.
>>28892257
And how much does this unholy monstrosity itself cost?
>>28892265
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/04/jeremy-s/gun-review-usfa-zip-22lr/
>200 dollarydoos
also you have to buy an "upgrade kit" to make it function properly
>protip: it still won't work
>>28892265
I swear I have seen the same zipgun in my LGS for sale 10 different times for 150 bucks. The people that buy it keep trading/selling it back. The gunstore has probably made 2 grand off of that piece of shit.
>>28892115
>Sights on the fucking magazine
>Someone thought this was ready for production
>Meanwhile no glorious bizon, EVER
Is this cheating?
>>28892324
the sights aren't the issue. the fact that it has a fuckhuge 50-100 round capacity with factory mags yet literally can't cycle is.
>>28892115
>jam-o-matic
>Magazines can crack and break easily
>Burst function tends to fail and has an uncontrollable full auto fire
>Sprays oil into your eyes
>Can bliw up on your hands or near your face
>Made by Poo in Loos
>Practiced in a Designated Shitting Range
>Isn't replaced (And the upgraded variants are no different than the original) due to "muh heritage" or "muh price cost".
Seriously, how can Indians fuck up so badly on an AKM variant
>>28892354
>Expecting indians to be able to into guns
>>28892354
it isn an AKM variant really, it's closer in relation to the FNC, that said how can you fuck up that either.
>>28892385
But even sand niggers are capable of recreating an AKM and Tokarevs from memory. Not that I expect Indians to be capable of making firearms
>>28892393
>FNC
>Not an AK variant
> has similar gas piston and same action of an AKM
>Not an AK variant
>Is based primarily on the AKM
>Not an AK variant
The few things that are nonAK is the FAL gas regulator and the charging handle of the HK33, with AUG inspired mags
>>28892208
Isn't that an SBR?
>>28892115
Lots, the Zip-22, most of the Tec-9, The Colt Lightning, basically every Saturday Night Special, Röhm revolvers, and then the INSAS which might be the worst weapon ever fielded by a any armed forces in the 20th century and beyond.
The Calico isn't excellent, but it works for plinking provided you understand how the mags are used.
>>28892324
Not an issue, if you've handled one you'd know that it manages (amazingly) to retain it's zero between magazine changes, the sights work for the kind of weapon it is, a light pistol-caliber weapon used at 50-200max yds, it does this fine, it's in fact fairly accurate, it uses the same kind of roller-delayed action like the MP5.
I will say, however, that I would rather have placed the mag under the barrel like on a Bizon, and then have the ejection on the right side.
The Calico is a good weapon conceptually, and so-so in execution, I feel they make great plinkers, I wouldn't rely on one.
>>28892344
Do you have personal experience with any Calico 9mm or are you just repeating what you've seen in a YouTube video?
>>28892413
Kinda makes me think of some early toolroom ideas before the FNC, one which was an FAL converted to 5.56, using AUG magazines.
>>28892129
Kinda like communism
This one is really awful.
>>28892586
Yes it is.
Absolutely asinine concept for a weapon.
A single, shotgun barrel, caplock muzzle-loader meant to be attached to a rail would make more sense than this. At least that would possibly evade the NFA
>>28892735
>implying it sounds good on concept
If you're braindead.
>>28892246
Reminder that USFA used to make exquisite Single Action revolvers, then ceasing that to pursue this retarded plastic deathtrap nobody asked for.
>>28892115
This would be pretty sweet if full-auto..,
>>28892115
Had the carbine version I found beat up original at a pawn shop, fixed it up and got a new magazine for it (it was missing and so extra cheap) also got the rail to mount a day glow green laser, it was a super fun hole puncher at the range, accurate and after I took a diamond file to the rough trigger group parts it had a smooth 6 and a half pound triggerpull. ended up selling it to a friend of mine, kind of miss it but I wanted a calico pistol more then the carbine.
>>28892385
I have a 2a1 enfield made by those indians and it is a fantastic rifle, all the fun of a enfield mk3 but in glorious 7,62 nato, Also the magazine is weird in that it is made for 10 rounds but fits 12 without a problem (besides possible spring fatique if you left it loaded)
>>28892781
There exists transferable ones.
Calico tried to mainly market it as a military and police weapon.
That was actually manufactured in reasonable numbers?
Besides this I'd list pretty much any Liberator and all 3d printed guns.
Nearly all of them of course fall into guns made out of desperation
>>28892139
>>28892208
>>28892198
>>28892223
It's obviously a nailgun for the engineer corps.
Savin' lives, buildin' bridges and all that.
I understand they're shit.
But I still really want one.
Thanks, Fate/Zero.
>>28892115
The INSAS if course. It literally shits hot oil onto your face like how its currynigger designers shit on the streets. Trust POO IN LOOs to fuck up an AK
>>28892901
>engineer corps.
>Savin' lives, buildin' bridges and all that.
When I was trained as a combat engineer we just blew shit up.
>>28892115
Do you got the black talons loaded in the clip?
>>28892732
That was the CAL, and they actually made a few of them.
>>28893052
Er, after rereading though again. I missed the AUG mag part. Disregard that post
>>28892745
How is it awful? Its underpowered, but its just a pocket webley in .32 S&W
>>28893793
>inexplicably made out of titanium, driving up cost to $1000, meaning no average indian could hope to afford it, defeating the purpose of the gun
>shit QC and construction, supposedly breaks at the hinges
>shoots .32S&W because MUH GUN CONTROL
>named after that poor woman who was raped to death with an iron bar, presumably as some sort of bitterly ironic way of shitting on her memory
>>28892338
Yes because that is the wrong Nambu. You want the 94, the only fault of the one you posted was its under powered.
>>28892115
Easily. Jennings, Bryco,Jimenez and it's not even close. That said, it's still an abomination of a gun.
>>28895855
Well, besides being underpowered, it's also known for having kind of a brittle firing-pin, but it is otherwise the superior Nambu
>>28897817
It's a proof of concept and a statement though, not a weapon designed to be practical or good.
There's way better designs since.
>>28892729
>vidoes and testimony of people shooting the gun isn't a reliable way to see that the gun doesn't function properly.
I'm sure your calico is totally functional bro.
>>28892120
>today on spot the glock fanboy
>>28897858
hey OP asked for something shittier than a Calico, not something that tried as hard and failed
No chauchat?
>>28897889
if you're talking about the retard that used the wrong ammo and was amazed it malfunctioned every shot that really isn't a good benchmark
>>28892887
>that pic
>>28897952
>wrong ammo
what did he use in it? did he load it with 380 or something?
>>28892115
Has anyone actually tried one of these yet? I've not seen a video or anything.
>>28897889
Lots of people have no problems with theirs.
I can find more people on YouTube who shoot their Calico and have little or no problems, than that one fagboy who got a lemon, cried about it, and doesn't want to take any steps to remedy his situation.
>>28897947
>>28898166
The Chauchat wasn't excellent, but it was really only the .30-06 American version that was an atrocity, the ones in 8mm Lebel sort of did an ok job if you could be arsed to deal with it.
>>28898071
I don't remember what ammo he used, but he either didn't wind the spring enough, or he overwound it and damage it.
>>28898231
With steel barrel/chamber inserts, that could work pretty decently for a 3D print
>>28898253
>With steel barrel/chamber inserts, that could work pretty decently for a 3D print
That's what they recommend. There's one video out there that I found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ11XFv4iZA
>>28898299
>>28898253
Also requires a roofing nail for the pin, and some amount of detectable metal I guess.
>>28898231
post more
>>28898361
That's all I know about it, really.
You can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZfIwuS4JM
That it apparently doesn't require metal barrel inserts, but if you don't use them I imagine you're going to need to replace the cylinder after some shots.
Uses elastic bands for the springs...
iirc the people who make it look at it kinda like the liberator pistol from the 40's - better than nothing, and "muh freedom". I think it's pretty cool. You could easily make one without adding in the legally amount of detectable metal, but that would be illegal. I don't think the roofing tack is going to set off any detectors...
>>28898253
it wasn't a problem with the mag. it was a problem with him being a fucking moron.
>I bought a brand new gun and didn't clean the factory gunk out of it and it didn't work???? WORST GUN EVERRRRR
>>28893015
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>>28892115
>>28898441
Yeah, shit like that.
He gets a gun, has a problem, and instead of trying to do something about his problem, taking any steps at all, he just fucking cries about it on YouTube and act like it's Calico's fault he has no problem solving skills.
>>28898546
he made a 2nd video after he cleaned it and it worked almost perfectly with the same ammo. it works better with higher pressure rounds than standard pressure though.
>>28898532
Modern .40 caliber Glock barrels are fine.
>>28898411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a1SC2vBGM4
More 3D printing nonsense - this time: bullets.
>>28892735
>>28898657
When are they gonna make 3D printed gunpowder and primers?
>>28898657
> hi
>>28898231
this is literally designed after a nerf gun
specifically the nerf maverick
>>28898897
>3d printers become aware of themselves and start printing 3d printers
>terminator happens
>>28892263
What about on the top rail?
>>28899233
>>28899349
kek, saved
>>28892115
>is there a worse gun?
The Indian rivet gun
Easily the Dardick M2000, horrible looking gun, with the unique and rare 9mm T-Rounds...Like a nambu gone wrong
>>28899450
INSAS is still worse.
>this image
>because what's wrong with the INSAS is that it's a bit too long
>>28892115
I actually had one. not impressive but you needed to seat the drum correctly for it not to jam.
I was told about a loose barrel problem so I got rid of it. should have kept the drum mags.
>>28892115
>I didn't know about this gun until all the big gun youtubers posted a video about it within two weeks of each other but I'm going to act like I've always thought it was shit
I really wonder what the next gun will be
>>28897567
And the recoil spring wore out relatively quickly.
>>28899771
there is nothing worse than insas
>>28901923
>t-the excalibur will fix everything
>it was tested and found superior to the AR
>n-no you can't see the test results it's secret!
>india will be the next super power, we will go to the moon!
>>28902035
ok so maybe the dotheads have found a way to make a worse weapon, insas still shit
>>28892139
I've heard 100% bad about this gun.
>>28892115
Shame, all they had to do was put the mag under the barrel like the Bizon.
>implying this isn't the worst gun ever made
>>28902784
Its not the 30-06 one is worse.
I only know this gun exists from an HL mod called "Firearms". Far as I know it was a piece of shit.
>>28902931
If depiction in videogames mattered then the H&K UMP would be an amazing gun and not a piece of shit like in real life.
>>28892115
>>28892354
What's that gun called?
>>28902983
>>28903088
The rifle in the designated shitting field is the INSAS.
Are Calico guns actually shit tier?
>>28892115
Welcome aboard the fail-to-fire express.
>>28903216
Not really.
They're not amazing, but they're also not dogshit.
The magazines are a bit finicky, and some people never understand that you have to wind the spring mechanism correctly or it'll fail to feed. If you wind them the correct amount of times, they should typically feed fine.
It has a roller-delayed blowback action like an MP5, which lends itself well to accuracy and keeps recoil light.
That said, this isn't a weapon you should try to rely on, they could probably work in an emergency, but if in an emergency, I had to pick between a H&K SP89 pistol or a Calico M950 pistol, I'd err on the side of caution and use the SP89 because the magazines are less testy
>>28902974
What's wrong with the UMP? I ask as someone who both loves it in vidya and is vaguely interested in purchasing the civvie version down the road.
>>28903451
Basically, the body of the gun is way too light, and one of the heaviest elements of the gun is the bolt, when the gun cycles, most of the weapon's weight shifts in your hand and it's very difficult to keep the gun on target in rapid fire or full-auto, the recoil has been described as stiff and unpleasant, even in 9mm
If you want one as a collectible, go for it, but keep in mind you're looking at a neutered gun which is very expensive, and if you want to make it look as close as possible to the real deal, you will basically have to pay a specialist company lots of money to source parts and cut up and reweld the plastic receiver to the original parts.
This isn't something you can really do yourself either, welding plastic requires a specialist with specialist tools, and the replacement parts isn't necessarily something you can pick up everywhere.
I'd personally just settle for a gas operated airsoft replica, it costs a fraction and you won't get that snappy recoil shaking through your shoulder with every shot. The weight and handling will feel very similar.
H&K devised the UMP series as a budget alternative to the MP5, and while it's cheaper, a lot cheaper, very few departments and units have actually purchased them, because it's better to just spend more money on an MP5 which is a thousand times better
>>28903540
Basically, the USC comes with a fixed thumbhole stock, they'll have to cut off the stock, it's bracket and the grip, then go get "demilled" parts to reweld onto the gun, then they have to get a replacement magwell because the regular magazines don't fit, remember that this thing was put out during the AWB, then they'll have to refinish it because the plastic will be mismatched, and finally, you'll probably end up wanting to get an SBR stamp for it because otherwise it'll look silly.
You're looking at maybe 2000-4000 usd to get this done.
There's a clone of it coming out, the LWRC SMG-45, which is made out of aluminum and probably handles better from not being way too light. If you want a weapon that's like the UMP but more practical, check that out.
>>28902784
Respect the chauchat!
Speaking o worst guns - n9thing will beat this:
- Hey Luigi!
- Yes Mario?
- We Italians have long history of designing fine firearms. Lets once design something so retarded, people will laugh at us for generations to come!
- Great idea Mario! Lets design a lmg that is fed by stripper clips, even though everyone uses magazines by now!
- Yes, let's do it! And lets make it use special oiling device, that will lubricate each round! You know - for our boys who operate in the desert!
- Excellent! And let's make it blowback!
- Oh yes! Blowback! Our place in firearms history books is guaranteed!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_30
>>28903680
so I just read about this thing and it's just fucking making me laugh
>stripper clips, only 20 rounds, cause fuck lmg capacity
>closed bolt and shitty cooling so it just fucking cooked off rounds all the time
>oil and dirt, good plan
>shit accuracy
>ak style violent blowback
holy fuck this thing is bad, jesus christ.
>>28903540
>welding plastic requires a specialist with specialist tools,
Say what you want about the UMP or any other gun, but you are a fucktard. All it takes is a dollar store pressurized lighter, a steady hand, and literally any piece of metal.
>>28903773
he may be wrong on that aspect, but homebrew garage gunsmithing doesn't usually end well.
>>28903803
>"welding" a few pieces of plastic together
>"homebrew garage gunsmithing"
it's literally no different than fixing an office chair. It's not working on the fucking bolt or barrel, it's a goddamn folding stock made out of plastic and smooth pins.
>>28903837
>>28903773
Yeah if you want it to look like complete shit.
These companies will make a USC or SL-8 look just like a UMP and G36, as if the stock was always there. I challenge you to do this with your nigger rig in a garage.
>>28903680
>>28903764
As a practical firearm, it was fucking atrocious. But as an historical oddity, it was fascinating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-D3nN4QycM
I want one.
>>28903837
>>28903773
>applying heat to plastic
Because that's something the average joe can do skillfully and make it look good, especially to an expensive out of production firearm.
>>28903948
>loading the bullets into thin brass case before putting them into the magazine.
>bend the brass to keep rounds in
Jesus Christ, its even more retarded than I thought.
How many people in the military did they have to bribe to push this thing through.
Oiler looks like petrol tank in motorcycle.
As if it was engine powered. :)
>>28903342
is this a judge meme? Because I like the idea of it but i dont want a shit ranch pistol
>>28903948
Oh my god, that thing is fucking insane, I want one too.
>>28903994
>not whatdoyouwantsmoothskin.jpg
>>28894047
I seriously hope the Pakis nuke these motherfuckers.
>>28903342
I think the judge doesn't meet the criteria of being a worst gun ever because you can just load it with .45 LC and have a decent, though low-capacity revolver. The downsides of the judge don't make it a bad gun, just an impractical, overhyped one.
>>28904202
>>28903342
Loaded with .45 Colt rounds, it's a mediocre revolver.
Loaded with any .410 bore shells, it's a fun toy
If you want a good .45 revolver, keep looking, if you want goofy rangetoy that's probably a bit of fun, sure, go for it.
>>28902983
I'm just waiting for someone from the Nexus to make one once the GECK comes out.
>>28904212
Right...it's not exactly a glowing review to say that in the best case scenario, it's mediocre. Is it a GOOD gun? Well, it's hard to come up with a theoretical situation where a .410 handgun would be the #1 choice... But is it on par with a chauchat? No way.
>>28902931
you shut your whore mouth about the bizon
>64 rounds of 9x18 in a helical magazine
>AK action
>Designed by Kalashnikov's son
just kill yourself now
>>28904284
>ak action
Almost, it's just a straight-blowback gun with no gas-piston
He's a fag though, the Bizon is gr8 m8
>>28903764
>>28903680
Wasnt their a real super good Wog LMG, but it was too good, so the Govt. never adopted it, in-case it fell into the wrong hands?
Oh yeah, speaking of Fascist Italy, I remembered this:
>“The Carcano’s problem wasn’t in it’s design, but in the specifics of ammunition manufacture. Italian manufacturers made those 6.5x52 cartridges in a variety of powder loads and ah, levels of quality control. These hugely diverse rounds were then all mixed up together in depots and jammed willy-nilly into stripper clips, meaning that the poor Italian rifleman could never count on his ammo doing the same thing twice.”
Not so much a bad weapon, as it's shit procedure.
It's like the M16, it wasn't bad at all, the ammo and mags was just dogshit
>>28892208
this is illegal as fuck in the USSA
>>28904631
Not if you register the thing as an SBR
>>28904621
best not to buy surplus then
prvi, hornady and norma still make ammo i think
>>28904284
>Kalashnikov's son
Why dont you go suck Kalashnikov's son dick, you fucking ruskie-lover.
You saw it in some game and now you love it.
I bet you're one of those retards who buy shitty, overpriced russian gear just because its russian.
>>28892354
poo in the loo
>>28892745
>implying Communism isnt the perfect system
>implying Soviet Union wasnt a haven for freedom and prosperity
>U dun fucd m8
>>28898231
>>28902035
what gun is that?
>>28904722
1/10 sad troll
>>28903948
makes a cool sound at least....
>>28904669
I think most surplus must be shot up by now.
I think the rifle is probably "alright" with modern commercial ammo.
>>28904722
That's sad b8 m8
>>28904748
The kind you put your dick in.
>>28904621
I mean, that logistical clusterfuck still doesn't hold a candle to what the Japanese had going at the time but goddamn.
>>28892887
>the sten
>bad
>not the greatest submachine gun of ww2
>>28904722
Berniefag detected.
>tfw the only firearm your country has invented is something only a mother could love
>>28902983
liberal logic
>>28892887
whats wrong with you
>>28906424
The owen gun would like a word with you
>>28903902
ok shill with no skill just cause you can't figure out how to do it doesn't mean the rest of us can't
>>28892115
Wow. This far down the thread and I didn't see a 1911 yet?I'm impressed, /k/.
