>U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter seems to get the reality that the so-called “coalition” of 66 countries that are supposedly fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria is a sham. Most of these countries are contributing nothing to the fight and many that once did have ceased doing so.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/30/obama-anti-isis-coalition-crumbles-as-arab-allies-/?page=all
>>28884239
Well at least the Kurds are stealing as much land as they... I mean fighting Isis in the name of justice
>>28884279
More power to 'em. No milfag that served in Kurdish areas has anything but good things to say about them.
>countries sign up for coalitions for political favor and then do nothing because blood and gold cost brownie points back home
Say it isn't so.
>>28884319
this
>President Obama’s strategy in Iraq and Syria has been seemingly more about running out the clock on his last term than about actually defeating ISIS. Dozens of daily air strikes executed under very tight rules of engagement have been at best a form of chemotherapy that has kept the ISIS cancer from growing locally, but now the Islamic State’s ideology is metastasizing in other parts of the planet like Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Sinai Peninsula and central Africa. In fact, even as Obama has claimed that ISIS is contained, his own generals have stated the exact opposite.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/261644-general-we-have-not-contained-isis
>>28884683
>Leaning tower of pizza
>tower of pizza
>pizza
top kek
>>28884962
Next they'll be telling us about the square root of a piece of a pie.
>>28884239
According to our new overlord Weedman, the way to deal with violent extremists is reason. Somehow. And that's why we should do literally nothing.
Never mind that most Canadians actually want to keep bombing them
>>28884683
>>Islamic State’s ideology is metastasizing in other parts of the planet like Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Sinai Peninsula and central Africa
>central Africa
I wonder if China would curbstomp any ISIS happenings in Africa since they are trying to colonize it
>>28884239
Hardly surprisingly, most countries don't want to clean up after the US government even when offered bribe money.
>>28885379
I believe china is trying to get into the middle east to get some experience in combat tho that was around the time Russia started to get into the middle east.
>>28885399
wouldn't have been a mess if the US just stayed instead of leaving a huge regional power gap to be filled.
>>28884302
Some have posted about them being overly brave and not very competent, same issues as young Arab men in a war have. They are more likely to listen to advice without getting their pride hurt though, even if it may go in one ear and out the other.
Fighting ISIS would be too intolerant. Offering your buttholes to their brown cocks stained with goat shit is much more tolerant :) -Western Europe
>>28884683
>The strategy itself, one based primarily on medium-altitude air strikes, had nearly no chance of success from the outset. It was one based on a deep misunderstanding of the application of air power and its limitations. It was also extremely late to develop and excruciatingly slow to roll-out compared to past air campaigns that saw hundreds of targets being hit in its opening days, instead of just a handful. This gave ISIS the time to adapt to precision air power, and today, after tens of thousands of bombs dropped, there are as many ISIS militants on the battlefield as there were when the first bomb was dropped.
>>28885590
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/02/03/isil-fighters-new-estimate-25000-iraq-syria/79775676/
>>28885437
>US
>stayed
>in Syria
Don't confuse neocon delusions with reality.
>>28885590
That guy looks exactly like someone I used to work with, I was wondering where he went.
Far from being a muslim but you've got to give one thing to these ISIS fighters - they have massive balls, they fear NOTHING and have nothing to lose and are about the most bizarre thing to happen in 21st century
They are the baddest, toughest sandniggers who have often not only survived 10 years of US droning in Iraq but Russian pounding of Afghanistan as well
These guys are like the soldiers of old and if you were to fight them on terms like the Kurds for example have to fight them on you would feel very real fear
>>28885682
>not fear anything
everybody fear something, but you have to found it
my bet is on ISIS pride, all they do most of the time is capturing some lands and making shit tons of videos, videos about EVERYTHING, turn down their pride and they'll start to loose their shit
>>28884683
>tower of pizza
>>28885737
My point is that our western soldiers just want to get through the bullshit and survive at the end of the day - ISIS fighters will look at particularly hard enemy strongpoint, say allahu akbar and go all out accepting the fact that they may actually die in the assault. This type of forlorn hope shit was very common in europe, people basically accepting impossible assignments just for a shot at promotion and fame but our soldiers do not have that mindset anymore.
Its often said that hi tech shit like drones and air power make that sort of thing obsolete but these assholes prove that its not so, all they have is an iron resolve and an AK and they are still going strong
I really think that in their shoes modern western soldiers would not be able to go as far as they do, they'd just think it ain't worth it.
>>28885873
Are you saying that people who give a shit about some mud holes are willing to go to greater lengths than ones who don't? I had no idea.
Assad will become victorious. It is clear that obama will not want a legacy of war as the first black president. He is doing as little as possible to leave syria to the next president. Then he'll write a shitty memoir ten years from now about his achievement for peace.
>>28885873
The only retards who still believe in this shit are Americans, who usually come from a less economically well endowed background and are pumped full of US propaganda to throw their lives away. This is also why the US is the only country with a military worth a damn. But even then, the majority of US troops, maybe 2/3rds. sign on not expecting to have to fight and are just coasting through to gain benefits. They far outnumber the retards, crazies and hopeless cases and unlike them will not be so willing to sacrifice.
>>28885873
>isil stronk
>isil hasn't even faced off with U.S. forces boots on ground, yet
lol wot m8, the absence of fear is not bravery, anon. Put anyone in the right circumstances and they can do anything to survive in that moment if they choose so.
Brown nosing ISIL is like praising niggers for aping out, something they naturally do.
>>28885873
>they'd just think it ain't worth it.
Depends on what you're fighting for.
>>28886154
So 'patriotism' is obsolete now.
Okey dokey. It was a nice civilization while it lasted.
>>28886154
This.
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
>>28884239
>anti ISIS alliance falling to pieces
>yet a ceasefire in Syria that doesn't include ISIS has been announced
>>28884302
This isn't true.
>>28886289
What a sad thing to read.
No wonder the hordes are coming for us.
>>28886239
>Okey dokey. It was a nice civilization while it lasted.
lol you stupid gov faggot. Don't yu understand, patriotisim is abut proecting other americans. not a governemnt full of atustic beancounters
shit for brans tripshit.
>>28884302
except for genociding some of the locals.
but whatever, they're "our good guys".
>>28886289
>>28885122
>we have an effect
You guys are more use out than in
>>28885627
ISIS's predecessors came from a certain somewhere that got destabilized in 2003
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35556783
>inb4 propaganda site
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-searches-for-common-ground-on-the-syrian-conflict/2016/02/11/1bc6482c-d042-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html
>>28886729
Cool.
Doubt it though.
>>28886729
>implying it'll be followed
>>28886729
A ceasefire does not mean the anti-ISIS coalition is not falling apart.
>>28886783
eh, we'll see. Assad is gaining power and the use of a ceasefire can help it gain better relations with other countries that are trying to fight ISIS
weaker FSA elements will follow along because they don't want to fight a two front war, which they are currently loosing.
However if there is group fractionalization within the FSA, elements of it might break away and attack the SAA on their own.
>>28886797
It means that there is room for growth, and if Assad maintains a ceasefire, there is a possibility that he's invited or at least seen even if it is unofficially as part of the anti ISIS coalition. Sure the Sauds might be mad about it, but France and the US would try to work with Syria or at least ignore it for the time being
I mean the ceasefire is meant for all non ISIS factions to attack ISIS instead of each other (even if it is for a short period of time)
>>28886710
Anyone have that gif of the chicken asking for proof, then gets blown to bits by a double barrel?
>>28885122
Like 2% of all strikes were from Canada
Really, your time effort and money are better spent on training soldiers and supplies to kurds not on the prowess of 6 fighter jets.
>>28886897
yeah, but even then its a cop out. We should have kept the fighters while at the same time done as what Trudeau is doing and increased the number of troops in Iraq training the Kurds.
Even if the contribution is minimal with regards to the fighter jets bombing ISIS, it is just as important as it is to train Kurdish security forces.
>>28886456
There has been lots of genocidal actions in Syria. It'd be hard to find a group that didn't participate in some sort of ethnic revenge killing.
At least it's not a systemic modus operandi for the Kurds. Didn't the Kurds try some YPG soldiers a few months ago for some of that shit?
They're not really good. They're just the least bad. They are also the most effective army on the ground at the moment.
>>28886456
arabs aren't humans so it's justified, ahmed
no flame ofc, peace and love to the middle east etc
>>28884239
>fighting ISIS
I think the phrase here is "Yes, good khafir, play right into their hands."
>>28886970
Its like when the Serbs were trying to kill Croats.
Sure, the croats sided with the nazis and killed serbs, but goddamn it serbs. You done goofed and got bombed for it.
The balkans are a fun reminder that all it takes is some destabilization here that leads to some revenge killing there and then PRESTO, any region can become the next Syria.
>>28884279
It's risky. Excitement and courage and will is wonderful but if they push too far it's going to provoke Turkey into a response that could turn the situation into an even bigger clusterfuck.
>>28888085
https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/696799009881661440
They have completed the masterpiece of receiving aerial support from both Russia and the U.S. Erdogan throwing a trantrum from time to time because the U.S uses Turkey as a cumrag won't change much.
>>28887715
Yeah, let's not fight ISIS, that sounds much better. I'm sure the ISIS HATES it when we don't fight them. Fucking Baghdadi, I'll slice your nose if you shill any harder.
>>28888523
Look, m8, ISIS has a plunder-based economy. Leave them alone, they won't last a decade, they'll devour themselves and shatter in lieu of anything to fight against.
But no, by all means. Use the same means that have been so effective in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bomb weddings and funerals with your drones while shouting USA and humping cows. (Or bald eagles, as your preference.)
Convince everyone that what ISIS says is true; that the west is declaring war on islam and that anyone who values their religion must join up to fight the west. Fighting them is playing into their narrative.
Let me repeat that, when you fight them, they win. When you fight them, they continue to get recruits, continue to point out "See? We are backed by God- even all these western powers cannot prevail against us!" When you fight them, they can go to poor Ahmed, dirt farmer #3982, whose son was playing in a field when a Predator decided to level it, and go "Wouldn't you like to avenge your son's death?"
They aren't a state. They'll collapse if they have to pretend to be one outside of wartime.
>>28886677
>implying ISIS wouldn't exist if the US stuck around Iraq making shit worse
Reminder that it is Assad's fault and he should be blamed. If he cooperated, things like Libya, Tunisia wouldn't have happened.
>>28888990
Hilary pls go
>>28888990
Well, yeah.
Moderate rebels? Western-educated college students taking arms against a repressive government? Who do you think the west is going to side with?
But repressive government vs religious fanatic rebels? ISIS was the best thing to happen to Assad.
>>28888085
>>28888523
If anything, its forcing the world to take a look at the arabs and to a larger extent, islamic countries in general, and go "what the fuck. i mean, whoa."
Turkey and Pakistan are expendable allies to the US. Sorry to any turks here, your people are cool, your government is awful.
Realistically, the US will shake its finger at what is going on, bomb the shit out of things that are justifiyable, Russia will bomb the shit out of everything else, and both of them will sell weapons to both sides.
Saud is about to meet a whole world of well deserved asspain for allowing it's money to fund this shit for decades. Cant play both sides of the fence and think yourselves the witty merchants forever. Shit comes back to bite you.
Turkey gets to be the gate keeper to this bullshit because it was going on in their backyard.
Fuck. No one likes Iran, but they have been sitting back, also funding this shit, and watching and taking notes. Its been a big chemistry experiment for them.
>>28889197
>Western-educated college students taking arms against a repressive government
You mean western brain washed college students, hopefully they return to where they go to college and impart their cultural heritage.
>Moderate rebels
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>28886374
>hordes
>believing in bogeymen made up by politicians and the Pentagon
>>28888900
It wouldn't exist if Saddam had remained in power.
>>28890030
Amen to that.
I remember Cheney going on about the sweet winds of democracy in 2003.
>>28888598
>They aren't a state.
By any definition they are a State.
>>28889613
>Sorry to any turks here, your people are cool, your government is awful.
>your people are cool
52% of those people support the government. Get real, most of the people are not "cool", they are islamists.
>>28890030
ISIS wouldn't exist if Iran and Shia influence didn't leave the Sunnis out of the Iraq gov.
>>28890340
Iran and Shia influence wouldn't make a damn difference if Shrub didn't have Saddam killed.
>>28890277
I thought the Turkish government was less Islamist than the US one is Christian.
>>28886456
There is literally nothing wrong with a little genocide now and then.
>>28890405
>>/pol/
>>28890377
Where would you get an absurd idea like that from? Huffpo?
Believe less memes about USA and actually read some about AKP please
>>28886435
patriotism is for countries
nationalism is for ethnic groups
>>28890277
>islamists
why not just call them muslim?
>>28890377
There's a reason that they took so many refugees initially- proximity to tlthe destabilized countries and the ease of assimilation
>>28888598
But anon, unlike the crusades there actually IS enough ordinance for all of them this time. Ya know, if it came down to the line
>>28886435
Lol how's it feel being the edgiest fedora in the hat rack?
>>28884239
>believing one word of one sentence that comes out of the mouths of that anti-American, communist nigger traitor's regime in the white house.
shiggy
>>28884279
T*rk detected
>>28884239
The UN should just let PMCs go in there, kill ISIS, take the land, and manage it or auction it off to companies or/and other states.
Seriously.
>>28890878
Yes, there is no way this could possibly go wrong.
>>28890878
I support this. The beheading videos of wimpering wannabes will be wonderful to behold.
>>28888990
>assad has allowed the people he is currently locked into a death struggle with to flourish
what
the
fuck
am
I
reading
>>28890340
Wait, what? Iraq and Iran waged war for years and you think they had Shia influence in the Sunni Ba'athist Saddam regime?
>>28891105
>what
>the
>fuck
>am
>I
>reading
you're reading stupid amerinigger propaganda that only indoctrinated morons actually believe.
anyone else who gas enough brain cells to rub two of them together will see it for what it is. just fucking lies designed to shift blame and try to overthrow some country's leader so he can be replaced with some puppet..
if they wanted to destroy ISIS, they should start with Saudi Arabia. they're the main exporter of terrorism.
>>28891105
Assad specifically targeted the moderate rebel groups first, to chew them up and destroy them.
So that the west was presented with "back dictator" or "back jihadis".
Which in his mind was much better than "back dictator" or "back democratic rebels".
Is that hard to comprehend?
>>28891365
He's talking about post 2011.
The US spent tons of money and effort to bring the Sunnis into the government fold, and quite literally bribing the militias to lay down their arms.
When the US left Malaki and his Iranian buddies wasted no time purging all the Sunnis and driving them towards what would become ISIS.
>>28891714
ISIS in it's current form didn't exist in 2012. Assad's crackdowns on what was then fairly moderate protesters was key in expanding ISIS's support base by radicalizing the opposition.
>>28890377
>Less Islamist
>Literally has the symbol of Islam as their flag
Next you're going to be telling me that Israel isn't Jewish.
>>28891765
Assad didn't order any crackdown, during the protests some (foreign infiltrators) opened fire on and killed thousands of policemen who were standing by as is customary to do with demonstrations, after a while units decided on their own to avenge their comrades and killed/tortured some innocent protestors, the government tried and imprisoned many of them, but the media never mentioned this, another thing the media has never mentioned in any way is the many pro Assad demonstrations that have occurred since then.
>>28891800
It's the symbol of Constantinople you absolute mong.
>>28891800
The crescent moon and star are actually secular symbols adopted by the Ottoman empire to spite the religious fundamentalists back in the day, in fact some are still butthurt about it to this day.
>>28891824
>during the protests some (foreign infiltrators) opened fire on and killed thousands of policemen who were standing by as is customary to do with demonstrations
I'd love to see any form of citation that you have for that.
>>28891898
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/157412-syria-hidden-massacre-2011/
>>28886289
Get off my fucking board you vatnik commie.
>>28886970
>>28886456
All that happened was a single unit of the YPG bulldozed a village of what they suspected to be ISIS supporters. The civilians were unharmed IIRC but their homes were destroyed. The unit was then arrested and tried before a court and UN council of human rights sucked all their dicks for being so swift and progressive.
The YPG not only fight alongside other groups in the SDF & the SAA, but have a number of different ethnic and religious fighters within their organisation.
>>28887075
kurds are worse than arabs
>>28884239
>>28884683
when the first terrorists started they were all there to protect there homeland
now they are just a cartoonish thugs out to annoy every one I hope usa liberates these assholes and gives them the 72 virgs they want
