Debate me.
If you say anything without a turret basket isn't a tank you're an autistic WoT sperglord and should kill yourself.
>If you say anything without a turret basket isn't a tank you're an autistic WoT sperglord and should kill yourself.
qft
I think the ATF needs to be dissolved and Firearm and Alcohol need to be regulated on an individual state level. Why is Tobacco even there? I guess they couldn't just have AF but still should have had something else like Alcohol Explosives and Firearms.
>>28878440
The definition is made by the user, not an autist on the internet.
>>28878476
I think they are there to arrest people who run cigarettes across state lines.
>>28878494
>no u
Prove me wrong faggot.
>>28878440
the only real tanks are your "light/medium/heavy and main battle tanks", hence the name
these are the only vehicles on your list that serve the role of a tank.
>>28878531
So a tank is not a self propelled gun?
>>28878496
How can you run a cigarette? They don't even have legs.
>>28878440
Is a bulldozer a tank because it has tracks?
> no
Then why SPG's, SPAAG's, TD's as per the diagram?
If I got a tractor, and put a zsu-23 on the roof, is it a tank? or just a Self Propelled zsu-23?
>>28878561
No.
>>28878615
that dosnt even make sense, you cant say:
> how do you run a race? they don't even have legs.
ffs
>>28878496
They do a horrible job at it too.
You can buy a truck full of cartons in the cheapest state, drive em to NYC and make 5x the profit
>mfw at a WWII reenactment and I hear people using the word "pen" out loud
>>28878639
You can't run a race, that's like saying you can run niggers or wetbacks. Well I guess you can run individual ones but an entire race? Are you being stupid?
>>28878561
Nope. SPGs are artillery. Try to use an SPG as a tank in any real fight and it will get absolutely fucked.
Main differences include a lot less armor and a gun not designed to be fired directly. The ammo is different too, no APFSDS in a 155mm.
>>28878690
Breddy sure Paladins have direct fire kills on T-72s.
>>28878712
doesn't mean their tanks.
> I used a spoon to dig a hole, it must be a shovel now!
>>28878728
You've got it backwards phuckboi.
Spoons were invented as specialized shovels for food.
>>28878506
I assume you didn't read the first 7 words in my post.
>>28878749
Your right, I meant spade. your a idiot if you dig a hole with a shovel.
>>28878690
>a literal self propelled gun is not a self propelled gun
>another form of literal self propelled gun is not a self propelled gun either, because it uses its gun in a different way
Autism.
>>28878728
>their
Opinion discarded.
>>28878788
>terminology used for several decades without issue is autism.
Okay.
>>28878808
More of the fact that you think an SPG is not a tank, and a tank is not an SPG, when a tank is literally a self propelled gun. And so is an SPG. And so is a SPA.
>>28878712
M109A6 does, yeah, but it's not designed for that purpose, as I said, and only did it when they needed to.
>>28878788
Tanks are not just self propelled guns.
>>28878788
> see's opinion is right
> see's spelling mistake
> finds easy way out
>>28878826
>Tanks are not just self propelled guns.
>Just
Yeah that's kind of why it encompasses a whole range of shit. You should try looking at the picture again.
>>28878827
>spelling
But you were only pretending to be retarded, right?
Opinion discarded, pathetic damage control/bait attempt ignored.
Kill yourself.
>>28878837
I mean that their is more than a tank than the fact that it carries a heavy gun, smartass. There are more criteria, all of which it would have to meet to qualify as a tank.
>their
there. I'm making the other dude's mistake, I'm sure you will berate me for this.
>>28878845
Dyslexia mate
>>28878818
I have no idea what you just said, but there is a clear distinction between a self-propelled gun and a tank.
>>28878845
Not as bad as 'Headuparseituis' though, im sure you know about that though. I understand its genetic.
>>28878864
>I have no idea what you just said
Discarded.
>>28878869
>bong
Discarded.
>>28878859
>degenerate
Discarded.
>>28878848
>their
Discarded.
>>28878897
thanks for the shitposting adventure anon
>>28878908
No problem.
Is nobody man enough to actually prove me wrong other than sperging on and on about how "no its not X its Y" with zero evidence to the claim?
>>28878915
alright man I'll take it
a tank has several characteristics that define it as such, usually along the lines of tracks, heavy armor, and a powerful gun
SPGs or SPA lack the heavy armor of a tank, thus are not tanks.
>>28878959
>SPGs or SPA lack the heavy armor of a tank, thus are not tanks.
So you would define an SPG as something with little armor and a disproportionately large gun?
Sherman would like a word with you, along with a myriad of other tanks.
>SPA
>tracks
>variably sized cannon/howitzer, generally "big"
>armored
>'tank'
>tracks
>variably sized cannon/howitzer, generally "big"
>armored
Such distinction. So very clear.
I mean, other than the fact that they're both self propelled guns.
>>28878981
>Sherman
Sheridan. Sherman works too, I guess.
>>28878981
Sheridan is a cavalry tank. The armor is pretty light but the role is different from an MBT. It's still technically a tank, this is where the idea of role comes to mind. Sheridan is meant to be used like a tank but had to be light and air-droppable. You don't use an M109 like a tank, at least by design.
The main difference is intended purpose.
>>28879014
So lets get this straight, basically everyone's argument here is, "you make it up as you go along".
Instead of disproving the picture which works.
k.
>>28879027
SPGs are still artillery and not tanks, buddy boy.
>>28878959
>SPGs or SPA lack the heavy armor of a tank
I'd really like to know at what armor thickness a SPG becomes a tank.
>>28879042
A tank is literally a self propelled gun. A gun that propels itself.
Is your mother aware that you have autism?
>>28879042
Pretty much any tank can be used as both direct and indirect fire artillery though.
>>28879063
tank
taNGk/
noun
noun: tank; plural noun: tanks
1.
a large receptacle or storage chamber, especially for liquid or gas.
the container holding the fuel supply in a motor vehicle.
synonyms: container, receptacle, vat, cistern, repository, reservoir, basin
"a hot water tank"
a receptacle with transparent sides in which to keep fish; an aquarium.
synonyms: aquarium, bowl
"a tank full of fish"
2.
a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.
>>28878681
As a reenactor or as a guest?
I think I know exactly who you are referring to and at which event
>>28879220
>a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.
Too bad anything under the tracked section in OP fits that description.
waffen ss
>>28878440
AFV - armoured fighting vehicle
APC - armoured personnel carrier
IFV - infantry fighting vehicle
SPG - self propelled gun
SPA - self propelled artillery
SPAAG - self propelled anti-armour gun
SAM - surface (to) air missile
TD - tank destroyer
L/M/H - light medium heavy tanks
MBT - main battle tank
Did I get them all right?
>>28881386
SPAAG is Self Propelled Anti aircraft Gun.
>>28878827
>opinion
>right
Lol dum sperg
The way I see it is a tank depends on the purpose of the vehicle. A MBT can be an AFV IFV APC etc all in one and be called a tank safely. I believe tanks are, however, fighting vehicles and need a gun to be classified as such. Rotating or not. The literal definition of tank is "a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track." So if its got tracks, its built for fighting, is 'heavy', and has a gun its a tank. On the other hand I suppose you could say if it has any armament turret or not it's a tank since its 'carrying guns'. I honestly think its a word that rests with the person using it to describe one thing or another. It isn't a set in stone word like gun.
