Is there any reason to use a .45 over 9mm for EDC?
>>28867371
.45 super in a small pistol ( an XD or Boberg)
I carry 9mm, so that's the only real reason I can think of
Makes your dick bigger. Increases test. Girls flirt with you more. Id rather have a 45 if I had to shoot a dog, which is a real threat in San Antonio. Guns chambered in .45 are unobjectively the coolest guns. Many reasons, friend
>>28867371
It makes bigger holes in things.
>>28867371
.460 Rowland conversions
>>28867371
Because they both kill niggers, spics, zipperhead, wetbacks, prairie, tundra, sand, and forest niggers. They will drop white trash, brown trash, hillbillies, squidbillies, goobacks, micks, guidos, slavs, chinks, Mongols, frogs, krauts, JAPS, WASPs, fags, steers, queers, otherkin and ayyliums.
Pick whatever you fancy you fucking cunt.
>>28867371
no
>muh stoppin powah
fucking retards
>>28867598
/thread
>>28867371
some people will carry .45 ball in the winter for better penetration through heavy clothing. 9mm ball will penetrate as well but is less effective than .45 ball.
>>28868041
And why is that, exactly, Mr. Ayoob?
>>28867598
Nice argument.
Retard.
>>28867371
I feel the recoil much less from a .45 pocket pistol than a 9mm. My keltec 9 is double stack and super light. It goes bang ever time but it kicks alot probably becuase its so light. A small .45 feel easier to shoot for me for follow up shots. And id practice with it more. As it stands my pocket 9mm gets 50 rounds through it like every 3 months cuase i hate the feel of it.
>>28868255
not sure if serious so, modern 9mm hollow point ammo is very effective, just as effective as .45. the problem with hollow point ammo is that it's effectiveness can be hindered by heavy clothing which can limit both expansion and penetration. On the other hand FMJ bullets offer great penetration but obviously no expansion so the idea is, if choosing FMJ ammo the larger .45 will cause more damage than a .9mm due to it's size.
A mythic status has developed around the .45 for quickly knocking people down with single shots. In reality the .45 is relatively weak like most pistol rounds and just like any other pistol round it's only going to drop someone quickly if it hits something vital like the heart, brain, spinal cord etc.
700gr 50 cal is the only thing worth EDC
>>28868336
so JHP in summer and FMJ in the winter.
>>28868649
some people see .45 as having an advantage in that way, yes. but there are other options will JHP like Horady Critical Defense and Critical Duty which pre-plug the hollow point to keep fabric out or the new Lehigh "Xtreme Penetrator" ammo.
Just offering a reason to use a .45 over 9mm for EDC. Winter penetration and effectiveness of ball ammo is about the only one I've heard with merit.
>>28867371
Yes. It makes my penis feel larger.
>>28868641
Mien negro
>>28868041
Why would you ever carry with FMJ in the gun? What happens if you shoot someone, the bullet goes through them and hits someone else?
Hollow points will stop an attacker just fine.
>>28868778
What happens if your JHP doesn't penetrate enough to hit anything vital hard enough?
>>28868804
Shoot them more.
>>28868778
>Why would you ever carry with FMJ in the gun?
because JHP's have been know to fail when shot through heavy clothing.
I personally don't, I use Hornady Critical Duty ammo in the winter and hope to never have to test it
>>28868825
>Shoot them more.
More shots = more chances to miss and hit bystanders
>>28868255
Kek I read that book too.
>>28868351
Psychological stops exist, friend.
They happen even against people wearing body armor who suffered no real injury.
>>28868858
You don't need to be popping shots at moving targets 15 yards away.
stay subsonic with .45acp
>>28868894
Are you implying that's the only scenario where you'd miss?
>>28867371
>Is there any reason to use a .45 over 9mm
nope.
>>28868895
subsonic 9mm is widely available, cheaper and quieter when suppressed than any .45 and just as effective.
>>28867371
Unless you are carrying a full size .45 that holds at least +13 rounds you are better off carrying a 9mm with more capacity or smaller with similar capacity. The performance difference between 9mm and .45 isn't big enough to carry half the rounds in carry-sized handguns.
>>28867469
over speced never done.
>>28868981
>The performance difference between 9mm and .45 isn't big enough to carry half the rounds in carry-sized handguns.
>half the rounds in carry-sized handguns.
What are you talking about?
Most guns only miss out on like 3 or 4 rounds when using .45 instead of 9mm
>>28869017
In a few years, you will undoubtedly be weeping silently while being ridden by a disgraced congressman in a disused whorehouse for free, you wretched nerd.
>>28868858
Ockmans razor is real but if you need to keep shooting your target to save your life you do it. Very rarely is a bystander hit by either cops or ccw carriers in the real world. Dont get to hung up with it. Dump the mag .
>>28869059
No need to be upset, family.
>>28869064
Okay, then why worry about your shots "over penetrating"?
>>28868274
>calls others retards
>herpaderp arguments
>makes no argument for 45 or against 9mm
be more of a nigger why dont you
>>28869153
I pointed out that no argument or reasons were put forward.
You complained that I didn't put any forward.
And then called me a nigger.
While putting no argument forward.
By your own logic, you are a nigger.
>>28868962
Well, they're going to be lighter loads than standard 9mm. With .45 you don't have to give up any velocity.
>>28869255
Unrealistic, .45 would actually atomize the entire planet, not just create a mushroom cloud.
>>28869235
lol wat? subsonic has to be subsonic?
Because It's the most comfortable round for me to shoot. I shot a suite of handguns in different sizes and the .45 was my love from day 1.
I'm a lady with good discipline and training, but tiny wrists, so having a round I can shoot limp wristed, one handed, in a panic, in a rush, accurately, with quick follow ups, and for fun practicing.
My Glock 36 does fine in my purse or on my side when I want, so the fraction of an inch and extra mag (purse only) makes life super easy.
>>28869235
>Well, they're going to be lighter loads than standard 9mm
but that's wrong, you fucking idiot.
>http://www.specops.pl/vortal/download/files/shooting_to_live.pdf
tl;dr - doesn't really matter, everything is deadly, but faster seems to be better
>tfw when shot and carried a .40 for many years
>come on /k/ and find out I have been doing it wrong
>>28868877
>implying he'll know the difference on the receiving end
>>28860947
>>28867371
Mfw two .45 vs 9mm next to each other on the catolog
>>28870980
heh
there has been a trend toward single stack 9mm's for a while now and in 2014 the FBI announced they will be replacing their.40's with 9mm's. At the end of 2014 the FBI released a memo of sorts explaining their reasoning to Law enforcement departments and agency's. This has led to a run on 9mm and a ton of police trade-in .40's saturating the market.
It's humerus to me because when I bought my 9mm in the early 90's the exact opposite was happening with 9mm being dropped for .40's.
>>28867371
No
>>28867598
This
Shot Placement is king, caliber is a very distant second.
source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwPtP-KDNk
>not using any caliber other than .50AE
>>28867371
If you need more stopping power than a 9mm the best choice is .40 and then .45.
But alot of 9's you can keep 17 in the clip and +1 in the hole. .45's dont hold more than 7rds at most.
>>28871904
>If you need more stopping power than a 9mm the best choice is .40 and then .45.
absolutely not
>>28867398
>.45 super in a small pistol ( an XD or Boberg)
???
they make subcompacts in .45 super? link me an example
>>28871904
there is literally no reason to ever use .40 for anything. it's not even cheaper than 9mm
I understand there's logic in buying a glock .40 because there are multiple conversion options, but in actual usage, .40 is inferior to everything else
>>28871904
>>28871904
>clip
You better be ESL.
>>28867371
If I lived in a locale that limited magazine capacity, I would. May as well carry what makes the bigger hole if capacity is equal.
>>28868851
>because JHP's have been know to fail when shot through heavy clothing.
/k/ needs to learn how hollow points work.
Hollow-points only expand when they reach a liquid-like medium like flesh.
A hollow-point failing because of clothes does not mean it doesn't penetrate from getting stuck in the clothes, it 'fails' because it gets clogged in the cavity and does not expand, acting exactly like a FMJ round. (Unless you have some weird round)
Hollow-points don't expand in fucking phone books or drywall or anything else. Only water jugs and humans.
.45 is more fun to shoot
>>28874855
This.
>>28871904
Ever hear of the Glock 21 (13+1) or the FNX 45 (15+1)? Not all .45's are 1911's. Also It's called a magazine you fucking nigger.
>>28867371
>Is there any reason to use a .45 over 9mm for EDC?
.45 ACP is worse because it is straight walled.
9mm is tapered. More reliable extraction.
Califag here.
I don't carry, but my choice was a .45 because of the 10 round limit on magazines. Might as well have bigger rounds if I'm going to get fucked over by that stupid jew cunt in office.
>>28875126
>>28875126
>A hollow-point failing because of clothes does not mean it doesn't penetrate from getting stuck in the clothes, it 'fails' because it gets clogged in the cavity and does not expand, acting exactly like a FMJ round. (Unless you have some weird round)
Can you explain this further? Will a JHP reliably penetrate clothing and work just as well as FMJ at stopping an enemy, or no?
.45 is slower, less of a chance zipping through the person hitting bystanders.
Does slightly more than the 9, but of course you sacrifice round count and recoil.
>tl;dr whatever floats your boat really, just pick a damn round.
>>28876890
Yes.
People say 'failure' like the JHP gets stuck in clothing and doesn't even enter the bad guys body. 'Failure' properly means JHP does not expand and acts like FMJ.
JHP against someone wearing 4 thick wool coats will penetrate MORE than if you shot someone wearing a white t-shirt. It 'fails' by not expanding then acts like FMJ.
But people see 'failure' and think it means a coat makes you invulnerable like a bulletproof vest.
JHP only expand in water-based mediums like the human body (I don't know about all the ballistic gel crap) anyway. But if you clog the cavity with clothes and fibers, even when it hits the persons flesh it won't expand.
JHP is at best, a JHP. At worse, a FMJ. This excludes meme rounds like anything by Hornady, G2 RIP, and other super fragmenting rounds.
>>28867371
If your country allows only FMJ for concealed carry (most of European countries that allow ccw)
>>28876967
FMJ has been killing people for many years. Have fun punching through someones vertebrae from a frontal torso shot with a hollow-point in a pistol caliber.
>>28868308
Sounds like you bought the wrong gun for yourself moron, has nothing to do with the round. How do you not see that?
Your argument is as follows:
>.45 is a better edc round because I bought a gun I am not comfortable with.
>>28876957
Makes sense! So JHP is a completely sufficient self-defense round.
Thanks! You helped a lot.
>>28877026
Yep np.
>>28867371
9 mm is better because I dont understand imperial system
>>28871904
>If you need more penetration than a 9mm, the best choice is 10 mm
fixed.
How bout these?
>"OMG, 9mm is the kang! Soo much better than 380. And you literally have a vagina if you don't agree."
>380 slightly shorter than a 9. Will kill you just as dead.
>>28880078
22lr will kill you just as dead as 50 bmg with good shot placement.
bigger caliber or higher energy round makes shot placement matter less.
>>28880090
I agree, but you gotta admit there's a huge difference between 22 & 9/380. Whereas the difference between a 9 & 380 is negligible. Its literally almost the same round.
>>28880078
.380 needs a good load to achieve adequate penetration, 9x19 less so.
given a good load I'd be completely satisfied with the ballistic performance of a .380.
>>28874370
.45 Super is the same dimensions as regular .45 acp, it just uses modern powder and thicker brass. It's more of a question of what is rated for the extra pressure, because everything can technically chamber it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Super
>Manufacturers such as Heckler & Koch (USP and HK45), and Springfield Armory, Inc. currently offer pistols rated to fire .45 Super ‘out of the box’.[6] Although they will chamber, the firing of .45 Super rounds in non-rated standard .45 ACP automatics is not recommended, as doing so risks a case failure in the unsupported chamber and at the very least would batter the slide and almost certainly shorten the life of the pistol.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/12/boberg-xr45-s/
>>28868987
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=913393&CAT=241
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=913391&CAT=241
http://www.460rowland.com/product-category/conversions/
sure fgt
>>28881353
>.460 Rowland
WTF
Thats like a .44 Magnum in a glock.
Won't it break?
