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Why is /k/ so hostile against precision shooting sports?
Is it just because they spend a lot of time shooting rather then just talking about it?
Is it because its really hard and you just cant manage to not look bad when you try it?
Is it because you just don't believe in working on fundamentals or good shooting forum?
Is it because you don't have the attention span to shoot a full set?
Don't ever start the shit about .22LR not being real shooting. You come do highpower or 300m if you put as much time into training as you do running your mouth
I really want to know why you are just a bitter shit talker.
>>28856263
It's specialized to the point of not being really applicable to the real world. I don't play baseball to help me oper8 better, either, despite the fact that some of the skills being used in baseball may be useful in oper8ing.
>>28856310
>>>28856263 (OP) #
>It's specialized to the point of not being really applicable to the real world. I don't play baseball to help me oper8 better, either, despite the fact that some of the skills being used in baseball may be useful in oper8ing.
This. Its no longer having practical applications. They shoot .22's at paper with intricate stances and devices to assist them. Too specialized like ^ said.
A gun to me is a defensive tool, and the precision shooting like in your pic is far too specialized to be practical IRL.
>Expenaive
>richyrich club sport
>nothing interesting about the technology, or the sport in general, beyond proper stances.
>>28856310
Precisely.
Nothing against the sport itself, but it's just not why most of us are into guns.
Because when the fuck are you ever going to find yourself in a defensive situation when you lug around a tripod that's bigger than most Asian girls and set it up, with your specialized rifle and protect yourself on mlk blvd in Oakland?
Hint you won't faggot
>>28856263
>Is it just because they spend a lot of time shooting rather then just talking about it?
Can already tell this is a salty ass member of said sport
>Is it because its really hard and you just cant manage to not look bad when you try it?
can actually taste the salt from here
>Is it because you just don't believe in working on fundamentals or good shooting forum?
It's "good form" just for their special little sport, it has borderline no application in the real world.
>Is it because you don't have the attention span to shoot a full set?
I shoot skeet, as it actually has practical applications.
>I really want to know why you are just a bitter shit talker.
Says the 10 gallons of bitter - the post
Come back when your targets actually move and you aren't using a stand to do 90% of the work for you.
You can precision kill yourself for us all and show how much of a superior stand marksman you are anon. Show us we dont know dick!
>>28856263
I thought we were only ribbing the bongs for having to go to France to practice...
Also I enjoy the sport quite a bit, participating and watching.
Biathlon is the greatest by far though.
>>28856263
Also most "percussion shooting" dosent even use real calibers only air rifles
>>28856263
friend had a dorm mate who was competitive pistol shooter- guy was a total Aspie nightmare, majored in EE and will probably be the next unabomber.
His teammates were also all over the retard spectrum too.
form follows function?
>>28856263
As others have said much of sports shooting has become so specialised as to be of little rlevance to the rest of the world and any 'real' occasions you may have to use a gun.
Also the hostility runs both ways, of course it's by no means everyone involved, but too many sports shooters sneer at anyone who isn't at least competing at a national level, and would happily make any other type of firearm other than competition rifles illegal. Like I said it's not all, but typically the most obnoxious members of any community are the ones that make the most noticeable impression to those on the outside with little or no interest in digging deeper, super snobby elitism hardly helps attract anyone not already part of the club to take a look.
>>28856263
Why the hell would your stance matter that much if you are literally resting the rifle on a flat surface?
I mean shit, it's either an air rifle or .22, it's not like it's going to recoil.
What's next, you're going to tell me shooting a rifle locked in a rifle vice is a complex challenge?
>>28856263
I think the guns are cool and admit the shooters are better at it than I would be.
I happen to also like overly complex and highly specialised devices and tools, though.
>>28856263
Did someone forget their midol?
>>2885637
you dont shoot from the stand. i shoot running target. its another sport you wouldnt understand.
what is all thie real world stuff your talking about? read dawn is never going to happen. your never going to grab your ar15 to defend your self. all you operators seem to over look the fact that your specialized rifle is nothing more then the target rifles in that they have NO REAL WORLD USE
>>28856452
> NO REAL WORLD USE
>people don't CC or hunt
This has to be bait, no one can be this autistic.
>>28856263
It's fucking boring and shooting .22's really slow for accuracy on a $2,000 rifle is autistic when I have 35 round mags and 4 long guns that take them.
People can do whatever they want though. Fuck off
>>28856452
>read dawn
Can someone Photoshop a book into his hand so I can laugh at this kid even harder?
>>28856452
> read dawn
BOOKS ARE FOR FAGGOTS
>>28856435
you dont rest the rifle when your shoot.
not all perversion shooting is air rifle or .22
there is 300m, palma, highpower and others that use many different centre fire...
>>28856452
>you dont shoot from the stand.
So why did you post about a sport that does?
i shoot running target.
Sure you do champ
its another sport you wouldnt understand.
I was only pretending to be retarded!
So now that everyone has laughed at your autistic rant, you are now 100% switching sports in the middle of the argument.
I really hope this isn't a troll, and someone actually forgot to take their meds.
>>28856263
It's because there's no pretense of killing anybody.
>>28856494
>centre fire
>centre
Welp, this was to be expected I guess.
>>28856263
Precision Rifle Series is very /k/ related
offhand shooting some fruity .22? not so much
>>28856494
Literally no one on /k/ shit talks actual rifle competitions, what the fuck are you even crying about?
The only """precision shooting""" people mock is exactly what you posted in your OP, which is obviously what you were talking about since you even included a picture of it. Keep on trying to backpedal mongoloid.
>>28856409
Nah that's just pistol shooters. Of the Olympic shooting sports pistol shooters are by far the most autistic on average. Rifle shooters can be significantly more autistic but there are some chill people in the sport.
>>28856371
Depends on the discipline tbqh mia familia
It's pretty much been downgraded and sanitized to the point that it has lost any kind of real world application and practicality it used to have. Can't have anyone being scared by those mean ol' thundersticks, so everything has bright colors, looks like a toy, and is limited to punching holes with .22.
Does this guy reek of English as second language to anyone else? His grammar and spelling are just awful.
I think this entire set of OP and responses is just an extra large case of "I'm salty because my government doesn't let me have actual firearms"
Next time use the right picture for your thread OP. I've even been kind enough to procure it for you.
>>28856263
I was on my high schools air rifle team. Precision shooting is fun and in my opinion better than just plinking.
We used super expensive anshutz rifles and wore tight leather jackets and slings. It would be probably to expensive for a lot of people to get into on their own.
>>28856510
This
>going to a range that doesn't allow human shaped targets
>>28856513
You expect proper English from a board like 4chen? I gave up on my own expections a long, long time ago.
>>28856263
Because the skill barrier is significantly higher and requires too much effort to git gud for most people on /k/
>>28856310
Pretty much this.
The only acceptable precision shooting is long range shooting.
>>28856617
>people don't want to play my special snowflake game because it's useless
Y-y-you just suck!
>>28856594
On the shooting club where I am member there are plenty people shooting large caliber disciplines and historical guns with hugefuck calibers. I am talking about competitions.
>>28856263
Its like fencing, /k/ would rather do hema than see who can be a few hundredths of a second quicker
>>28856640
That's actually a very nice analogy.
>>28856640
I dunno man, epee can be pretty /k/. But yeah, the theatrics of foil and saber can be a turn-off
>>28856636
That sort of stuff isn't what the OP is referring to. An M1 Garand CMP shooting competition isn't the same thing as the autism parade that is official precision shooting matches.
>>28856310
>shooting straight
>not being really applicable to the real world
this is what plinking neckbeards actually believe.
>>28856655
I thought saber was supposed to be the most /k/ of the Olympic stuff
>>28856635
Yes. It's a game. It's a sport with guns.
It's challenging, it's fun, the skills of different precision shooting disciplines generally transfer (lol pistol) well to the totality of one's firearm handling skills.
It just heavily punishes laziness and requires a lot of time and dedication.
>>28856663
>I swear to God people use these incredibly specialized freehand stances and weapons outside of an Olympic competition setting guis. Like, all the time.
>>28856608
No I meant you outed yourself as a europeon.
>>28856666
Judo is the most /k/ Olympic sport if you ask me.
>>28856663
So are you actually a complete dunce or did you miss the point on purpose?
>>28856663
>shooting straight
>by resting the rifle on a flat surface and using a stance that is completely ineffective against anything moving.
>thinks this is applicable to the real world
>this is what autistic children actually believe.
Your shitty sport is perfectly specialized to kill paper, and nothing else.
No one gives a shit about your ugly little .22s and how autistic you are about the tightness of the holes in your paper targets
>>28856676
>proper basics don't carry over
>a world class smallbore shooter can't handle muh tacticool ay-ar
>>28856263
Look OP for the most part people on this board are highly ignorant of these type of competitions mostly because the member of this board are far more interested in the practical, historic, or sexual use of weapons. Basically any sport in this category besides NRA high power and the Swiss/Scandi version of high power have no application in self defense or operating. I say this as a highly successful competitive shooter.
>Is it just because they spend a lot of time shooting rather then just talking about it?
I mean most of /k/ is noguns but a lot of them spend a huge amount of time shooting and really until you get to national/development team level you aren't shooting more than the average person.
>Is it because you just don't believe in working on fundamentals or good shooting forum?
The standing position is highly stable but is literally useless if you want to move and shoot or hit moving targets. Prone and standing are fine.
>Is it because you don't have the attention span to shoot a full set?
>Set
Its a course OP. You shoot courses. I don't even have the attention span for a full course of men's airgun because it is so fucking boring.
>Don't ever start the shit about .22LR not being real shooting. You come do highpower or 300m if you put as much time into training as you do running your mouth
>300m
Eurocuck detected.
Tl;dr
You're just a butthurt rifle shooter. Just be happy that people shoot and enjoy other aspects of this great hobby.
>>28856676
Offhand shot when hunting. Boom. Use case where the fundamentals drilled into your head by the sport will assist you.
>>28856663
>shooting straight in one intricate position, with fuckload of specialized gear that is useless once you change said position
I hone my shooting skills by placing the gun in a vice first.
>>28856696
>hunting
Those targets tend to move, sonny.
>>28856657
Umm... Have you not seen service rifle match before?
Oddly enough a nice NM Garand and kit cost about the same as an Anschutze and gear.
>>28856698
Kek
>>28856682
I meant of the fencing styles
Wrestling is pretty /k/ too, seems like former wrestlers usually do well in the ufc
>>28856698
>they shoot only one position!!!!!
but that's wrong.
>>28856703
I've been in four. There is much more variety and the people tend to be much more approachable. Quit being obtuse.
>>28856596
He is Scandi because they are the only ones that take 300m seriously anymore.
>>28856691
The best team in the world happens to be the US Army Marksmenship Unit. When they aren't doing the olympic stuff they gun a small arms training course and are often deployed as instructors.
>>28856702
Yes, you can't use quite the same stance. However, breathing control, being mindful of skeletal support, etc will help you.
You're just beating up a strawman because you're retarded
>>28856680
I'm not the guy you responded to, and the point was about him using proper English; I don't even speak the language natively, but I still try my best to use it like it's supposed to.
>>28856724
>However, breathing control, being mindful of skeletal support, etc
Neat, stuff you should be learning as soon as you start seriously shooting anyways. Stay mad, Euro.
>>28856719
>The best team in the world happens to be the US Army Marksmenship Unit
and they do this gay sports shooting? lol nerds!!!!
>>28856663
The standing position for Olympic style rifle is fucking useless as a practical position. The one for NRA high power is the old school position that was taught by the US military before body armor became a big thing.
>they practice good fundamentals!
>the actual stance for pistol shooters is to hyper extend your arm to the point of injury.
>>28856414
>and would happily make any other type of firearm other than competition rifles illegal.
this right here. Pretty much like fudds and their derr rifles.
Instead of saying
>"YOU DONT NEED [insert gun here] TO HUNT DERR, THERELL BE NOTHIN LEFT! THERRTY AUGHT SIX BOLT ACTION IS ENOUGH!"
they'll say
>"You don't need [insert gun here] to hit a target anon at 50yrds. You can simulate long ranges with smaller target. A 3k .22 is enough.
I do like to watch it especially the biathlon, but anyone that has the fudd mind set YOU DON'T NEED can find the nearest dick and lick smeg.
>>28856737
They are in just about shooting sport possible and generally kick ass in all of them.
>>28856724
breathing and stance control are something kids learn when starting out with guns, and are hardly something exclusive to precision shooting.
>>28856696
Enviroement often restricts the postion and abilty to set up gear to the point where it's not applicable anymore, not to mention animals tend to fucking move.
If you can't shoot a stationary target without special snowflake positions and gear, you should stop hunting before you maim some poor animal because the ground was slightly uneven.
>>28856713
Yeah, and all of them have the exact same application, require specialized gear and are suitable only for light, low-power firearms.
What is your point?
>>28856742
>this gay-ass stance with specialized gear isn't as gay as the other gay-ass stance with specialized gear... cuz hurrmerricuhhh!!!
>>28856760
you're a fucking idiot.
>>28856777
That's some nice arguments you have there friend, I'm truly impressed, but somehow I don't feel convinced. Can't figure out why though.
>>28856766
What the fuck are you even trying to say or prove with that pic? It's a modified AR-15, itself a low recoil .22, obviously in use by a precision shooter using a specialized stance. It does nothing to aid your argument. Not even the guy you're replying to. It just doesn't make any sense.
>>28856734
Can you read a fucking English sentence? And absorb the meanings of words? Because you have demonstrated neither of those fundamentals.
Let's see what I actually said:
>"Use case where the fundamentals... will assist..."
Let's look at what these things mean
>fundamentals
Fundamentals are basic, essential skills
>assist
Assist means to
Let's see what you said
>Neat, stuff you should be learning as soon as you start seriously shooting anyways
>stuff you should be learning as soon as you start seriously shooting
>start shooting
Man, this seems really similar to that "fundamentals" thing.
The obvious here is that you can't read words in front of your face. With this information, I believe it is you who is the Euro given your atrocious inability to correctly parse a simple English sentence
>>28856766
Heh that's at camp perry.
>>28856794
Nah man that's a .223 not .22.
>>28856802
>assist means to
Assist means to aid or supplement
>>28856777
You are s special kind of autist
>>28856802
So you really didn't have a point with what you were saying about Olympic precision being practical, because the practical elements are bare-bones fundementals that everyone starts learning when they start. You didn't have to fly into a long-winded 'tard rage to concede, silly.
>>28856725
>Centre
Americans put the E before the R on words like center, theater, etc. Not centre, theatre and so on.
That's what other anon meant.
this whole thread reeks of europeans trying to convince themselves that their .22 target rifles aren't just .22 target rifles
>>28856757
so only kids should work on the basics? it is something that is just below you?
got it.
>>28856821
It's as if you can't comprehend what a sport is. Must I beat you with dictionary until you understand English again?
>>28856829
Yes, I know, and it's not proper English.
>>28856794
>modified AR-15
kek. its an NM A2. not modded at all
>>28856849
We took what the Brits did and made it better, just like we did with food, dental care, and government.
>>28856868
Besides the custom barrel that is free floating, two stage trigger, and weights throughout the gun.
>>28856843
It's like you're trying to not have reading comprehension.
>>28856846
And now you're just raving and ranting. You said. You still can't prove that Olympic precision shooting will translate to an ability to hunt off-hand as you said earlier, because
>It uses da fundawmentuwls
Is a pretty pisspoor argument, considering the topic in question involves a shooting sport so specialized that much of those fundamentals are buried underneath a flood of equally specialized methods and equipment.
Olympic shooting does not translate to hunting White Tail here in the mountains of Colorado. You can act like a huffy English major all you want, but that won't change anything. Sorry, sonny.
>>28856263
is this an olympic shooting thread or precision shooting general ?
because olympic will always be seen as a bait thread
even from most of the "normal" shooting community
>>28856868
>not modded at all
lol
http://www.shootingtimes.com/competition/presidential-competitor-rock-river-arms-lar-15-nm-review/
>>28856901
OP is about Olympic shooting, and the resulting indignant rage from the userbase happened as would be expected.
>>28856893
Different anon but I agree with you besides the fundamentals everyone learns precision shooting doesn't translating to hunting at all. Unless you count like trap and skeet those translate pretty well.
>>28856810
.223 is just glorified .22.
>>28856942
No argument from me there.
Just for a sufferance, is this real world because it looks a lot like something kids do with air soft
The guns are cool looking at least. Pic related is mine.
>>28856989
Costa is 75% snakeoil salesman and 25% actual tactical oper8or. TOB itself has little application outside of 3 gun.
>>28856766
>camp perry
oh look, he's shooting beyond 50 meters
>>28857004
And all this time i just thought operator was what a person was called when he was to scared to try paintball
>>28856263
>Why is /k/ so hostile against precision shooting sports?
Because the lack of power fantasy.
Like MMAfags trashtalking sports like karate or judo because they lack the streetfighting aspect.
In precision shooting sports they aspire to put holes in paper. This is offensive to the average /k/ommando who aspires to put holes in people.
>>28856989
Isn't the thumb supposed to point at whatever you are trying to aim at?
>>28857004
TOB is objectively better at mitigating barrel rise than other grip styles and also promotes a squared up stance that is preferable when using plates.
>>28856871
Simplifying and streamlining is not always good, just look at the status of modern gaming industry. Or music.
And having better food and dental than the Bongs is hardly an achievement, and I'm not sure you should be proud of your government.
>>28856693
Underrated
>>28857115
Not so much muzzle rise as transitioning, but you're right.
>>28857115
It helps in quickening target transition, and that's about it.
>>28856263
Cause I rather work on run and gun. If I'm using my gun in a real life threatening situation I'm not gonna be holding still....my heart is gonna be beating a million times a min, my breathing is not gonna be slow and steady, my stance is gonna be shit. Now that makes target engaging hard to do.
If you do the precision shooting you tend to not really be moving, so your heart and breathing are calm and slow...Your gun is light, the recoil is low and easily manageable and you usually have the rifle resting on some thing for more stability.......now all of that just sounds boring.
Plus chances of me engaging any thing that far away will prob not happen, seeing as I live in a giant urban jungle made up of steel, concrete and hipster faggots.
>>28857152
Thanks anon. :)
another rather successful competitive shooter here. I can boil this down in one line of green text.
>stop liking what I don't like
I shot precision for a long time. Being competitive and competing at the national level takes serious determination and practice. When I was still up there I was shooting six days a week for two hours plus. Its very easy to pick up and extremely difficult to master. Not everyone finds it fun, but I did. It also helped me branch out into other disciplines. I have very little interest in using guns for self defense, but I love the determination and skill it takes to be a top tier marksman. I love the equipment, I love painstakingly crafting center fire ammo for fclass or high power matches, and I love shooting tight groups on bullseye targets. It's fun. I shot two and three gun for a bit as well as IDPA, was moderately successful but didn't find it very fun. Not everyone out there likes what you like, but we can all get along without being elitist douchebags all the time.
>>28857285
It also takes a lot of cock sucking, which I'm sure you're great at.
>>28857285
>we can all get along without being elitist douchebags all the time
The reality we live in proves otherwise.
>>28857194
>Your gun is light...you usually have the rifle resting on some thing for more stability
are you high? those rifles are more then 7kg
and no you dont use a rest. its not bench rest.
that stand is just for reloading
>>28857285
underrated post
>>28857293
Shit post harder faggot
>>28857389
Look at this butthurt nogunz fagit.
Go punch paper while Ahmed punches your bumhole Sven, the adults are talking here.
>>28856263
Why is /k/ so hostile against cabin camping?
Is it because they spend a lot of time in their cabins instead of talking about what to bring camping?
Is it because it's really hard to find space available and you can't manage to not look bad when you don't have a reservation?
Is it because you just don't believe in working on fundamentals or good outdoors sleeping?
Is it because you don't have the attention span to work the stove while adjusting the thermostat?
Don't even start the shit about indoors not being real camping. You come do Yosemite or Yellowstone if you put as much time into training as you do running your mouth.
I really want to know why you are just a bitter shit talker.
>>28857285
Okay so what college? I was a Tiger.
>>28857518
>hating on cabins
It's fine as long as you build it yourself.
>>28856263
I'm not against competition shooting itself.
I'm against the assholes that compete with a shitty elitist attitude, and there are many.
>>28857518
well by that kind of reasoning shouldn't every one just was a flint lock because anything more would only be cheating?
>>28856479
Attempted, hard to do on mobile
>>28857928
Forgot to crop
>>28857092
If practicing it doesn't make you better at killing people then you're not doing a martial art. People are allowed to enjoy sports like TKD and bullseye shooting with air rifles but that doesn't mean I have to give them the same respect as martial arts like kickboxing and IPSC.
>>28856742
>The standing position for Olympic style rifle is fucking useless as a practical position.
Actually it may have some use. Like you do accurate shooting from the room or tall grass and you can only have sight of the target standing. Though in real world it is possible to cheat. Like bringing chair or monopod shooting stick (special made or improvised) and get much more stable position.
>>28856682
Pentathlon is the most /k/ diet because it was designed to me
Feeding saber is just a few seconds of run and slash
>>28856263
I don't particularly care of someone practices it, it's just no fun to me.
is this the same stance?
>>28856263
>Why is /k/ so hostile against precision shooting sports?
We aren't. PathsOfGlory or somebody else cranks up another detailed and informative thread about the topic every week at least.
>>28856760
Oh noes the military should stop shooting because some of them use loop slings and robust positions.
Go jerk off on your sister kid.
>>28858669
Is that the reputable SINS (Sassy Independent Negress Stance)?
>>28858669
>the sassy weaver stance
>>28856478
>2k rifle
so young, so naiv
>>28856364
>tfw you will never defend your job's building with a M1 carbine on the roof when porchmonkeys start chimping out because Jamal DinduNuffin pulled a gun on a cop and got shot in the back by his partner.
>>28856263
Same reason I find HEMA more interesting than Olympic fencing. One of them still holds to thei roots of practicing killing people, one has become so sportirized it holds next to no practical value.
Do whatever you want though man. I don't hate people for liking different things than me. Shoot your race guns all you want, I'll stick with practical guns.
>>28858702
Loop slings are fast to utilize and can be used in variety of positons.
No one uses a special snowflake postions that take half a minute to assume. Why do you feel the need to talk if you don't know shit, are you frustrated?
>>28856263
I think it's mostly because the majority of /k/ enjoys the operator fantasy and not necessarily shooting.
Also I believe many young shooters today didn't grow up shooting but rather got into the hobby from first person shooter games. I think marksmanship and shooting well is something that is acquired early on from trying to hit targets that your brother, sister, cousin, father etc can't.
>>28857001
fucking nice Anon, I would love to go shooting with you to try that thing out.
>>28857001
The guns look fucking stupid.
I did competitive shooting for a season, a few years back. Learning good form was useful but god damn, were those suits insufferable to wear.
>>28856263
>Why is /k/ so hostile against precision shooting sports?
because in my country they own 90% of all ranges and they dont give two shits about diversity withing shooting sports or other shooters who have no choice but to use your ranges, They sneer at shooters who look like they are actually having fun while shooting and have the audacity to shoot anything else than standardized paper targets
>Is it just because they spend a lot of time shooting rather then just talking about it?
In my country they are so degenerate that they basically see the rifle as a necessary evil for them to carry out their sport
>Is it because its really hard and you just cant manage to not look bad when you try it?
Yeah its so hard you cant do it without 1000 Dollar Penguin suits and weird glasses that would shame a steampunker
>Is it because you don't have the attention span to shoot a full set?
its because i want a range with a use-flexibility that does not make shooting, marking and loading into a synchronized dance that cannot accommodate other people just relaxing, experimenting and having fun at the same time
>I really want to know why you are just a bitter shit talker.
fuck you
Meanwhile Sweden is giving muslim "refugees" state funded sniper training.
http://newobserveronline.com/sweden-state-funded-muslim-sniper-training/
http://www.allehanda.se/angermanland/solleftea/laddade-for-prickskytte
>>28859017
>22LR
>sniper training
its basically an akward way of offering community sports to immigrants. that the sport offered is target shooting instead of Soccer is really not that important here.
>>28859007
What country?
>>28859064
They're giving Isis sympathizers and extremists free combat training. Those basics should carry over. They're literally training their own executioners.
Bye bye s(j)weden
>>28859007
wonder what makes precision shooting such a draw for elitist assholes
>>28858669
I wonder if she has a nice face. Military negresses usually have terrible faces.
>>28859242
Because it's for the "best".
You know, no fun no bullshit, just real professional putting holes in paper at 50 meters.
>>28859113
Biathlon is not combat training.
>>28856263
Because "practical" shooting sports exist.
/thread
>>28856263
>I really want to know why you are just a bitter shit talker.
So says the one making accusations.
>>28856263
>precision shooting
It's called shooting kid, get on our level limp dick.
>>28856263
Precision shooting is to marksmanship as fencing is to swordsmanship
>>28859357
It is if you believe OP
Just once I want the olympic shooters to have all their fancy .22s be replaced at the last second by a much larger cartridge.
Just to savor the butthurt. Just once.
>>28856263
>all of this
Asspain: The Thread
>>28859087
Sweden I would imagine.
t. Swede but not him.
>>28856989
why does he even have a foregrip on his gun? for extra tacticoolness?
>>28856263
it stopped being about the person wielding the gun and more about using science to achieve the most accurate shot possible.
Its interesting, but its not within the spirit of this board, and may actually be leaning more into /g/ or /sci/
I mean, they ARE using guns, it is however like someone having some kind of super electronic bowling ball that can guide itself in for a perfect strike. It would be neat, but it stops being what its about.
>>28859798
What? They are shooting guns that they aim themselves.
It's not a super electronic bullet that guides itself to a perfect hit you know?
>>28859850
yes, they are using a gun, and that's about all there is in relationship. It is more about making the most accurate gun to land the most accurate shot using very calculated methods to achieve it.
It isn't so much about the gun, but the science involved to do this, which isn't all the interesting to people who come to this board, which is why it may be more interesting to other boards.
>>28856364
Shut up. You don't know my life.
>>28859929
seriously, what the fuck are you on about? shooting guns should be about hitting your intended target.. period.
>>28859952
LA riots. Based rooftop koreans
>>28859929
lol target guns just shoot accurately so that it all purely depends on the shooter's skill. by your logic balls in sports shouldnt be round and swimmers should have to swim in a simulated tidal wave. it's just taking away the random variables that aren't dependent on skill, is that so ahrd to comprehend?
>>28856371
>skeet
Sporting clays has a more realistic feel to it m8
>>28856263
I don't think anyone here is against it per say, its just not applicable for most gun hobbyists.
I haven't really been on /k/ as much as I have been in the past, but from what I remember is that most /k/ommandoes respect it, just don't partake.
>>28859113
Nigger, are you retarded?
>>28860187
I agree, I love sporting clays
problem is a good course is hard to come by, and is usually SEVERAL times more expensive since it is literally the size and make of a golf course.
But ya, I do skeet mainly out of convenience, and sporting clays as a nice treat.
My daughter shot rifle in High School. Earned a scholarship to NC State. So what exactly is the problem?
>>28856263
>>28862554
precision shooting has removed everything tactical, everything macho, everything that is related to fighting.
what you are left with is a pure shooting. unfortunately too many men in the shooting community have perversely attributed virility to guns and are not interested when it comes down to simply shooting.
I will never forget the remark that a backwoodsman once made when I was trying to entertain him at a rifle match near St. Louis. I had shown him the shooting house and target house; explained to him our system of scoring and our code of rules; had told him the reason for using such heavy rifles, sensitive triggers, pronged butt plates, cheek pieces, vernier and wind gauge sights- all that. Then I bade him to watch some of our experts as they made bullseye after bullseye on a target the size of a mans head, off handed at 200 measured yards. I thought my friend would be impressed. He was, but not to the extent I had anticipated.
After we watched the firing for a long time in silence, he turned to me and remarked
"If it wasn't for the noise and the powder smoke, this would be a very ladylike game"
-Horace Kephart. The Book of Camping and Woodcraft 1906
>>28856478
>When they tell you to charge but you crap yourself 5 paces short dot jay pee gee
>>28862554
She went to a school that doesn't have 17 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
>>28857079
AIRSOFT
>because we weren't good enough for the army
>>28856760
I see at least two of those positions that I've used in a practical setting and I don't shoot anything below .270 Win so... yeah, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Unless you count laying prone and blasting a mountain goat with a .300WM "specialized gear" with a "light, low-power firearm."
>>28857518
>cabin
>reservation
what
>>28857109
some people point with their index
>>28858811
Sure I'd even bring my tools so I could custom fit it to you for prone.
>>28862554
NC State's coach is a cheating douche nozzle that is drain on the community. Otherwise good for her. Should have picked Ole Miss, Nebraska or TCU instead.
>>28863501
Ah yes the school that imports European Olympians because their coach is a dirty britbong. Every championship with him has been on the back of his European connections. The American shooters on the team only got really good this year.
>>28856263
I don't hate on precision; it has its purpose. I just don't shoot precision because I don't have my .300 yet.
Precision shooting is more of a specialization than anything else. Sure, you can do it for fun. You can do it for hunting. You can do it for competition... But for me, right now... Its not a practical skill.
I shoot the way I do because earlier this afternoon when I shot a 100lbs sow 3 times, it was at about 60 feet and closing with an AR while she was charging me, not a harmless stationary steel target at 300m. I shoot for practicality, I shoot for fun, I shoot for thrill, I shoot for skill. I just don't shoot for THAT PARTICULAR skill.
And quite frankly, I'd like to see one of them fancy shooters in your pic pull that .22 out of its case, get into their stance and do the same under duress.
>>28856263
>Because the precision shooting community is full of loudmouth elitists like yourself
>Because, while it's fun to shoot for groupings with a high power stance occasionally, doing it for hours a day is boring as fuck
>Because doing that stupid shit would take time away from my favorite shooting sport
>Because it's the gun equivalent of a snobby archer using a target specialized compound bow
>>28864009
>And quite frankly, I'd like to see one of them fancy shooters in your pic pull that .22 out of its case, get into their stance and do the same under duress.
I will say this as someone that is a "fancy" literally impossible for standing. I might pull off kneeling or prone. Especially with the Pelican travel case.
On the other hand I'd like to see you shoot sub 1/4 MOA groups at 100 yards with irons.
Like you said its a specialization and not a practical skill for most people. It was practical for me because it paid for my college.
>>28864105
Fuck I meant it would be even more difficult with the pelican travel case. That wouldn't make shit easier.
>>28864009
But its not a skill used for shooting under duress.
I think a lot of people get cross about what they think is taking the human element out of shooting. I'm not going to say all but every Olympic style shooter I've met has been able to shoot more accurately than me on the range, with almost any rifle. They're still masters at the fundementals and that's all you really need to make a nice tight group on the range. None of them have pretended to be expert 3 gunners or hunters or room clearer's. Just guys and gals who are great at doing the same thing repeatedly with equipment that does the same thing every time.
As a shitty analogy, motocross riders have wicked expensive bikes built for track use. Doesn't mean you couldn't give them a stock bike and they forget how to ride. Same with these rifles/gear take them away and they still know how to pur bullets where they want them in a non "TACTICAL" environment
>>28864140
Yup I will admit that I am one trick pony as an Olympic style shooter. Trying to change that though.
>>28864105
Different guy here, >>28864083 actually, but I totally respect your abilities in that area. Good on you for getting a ride on your skills.
To be honest, most shooting sports are the same type of impractical in at least one area.
>Open division
>>28864191
As this guy >>28864176 I understand the limitations of my sport and if all my money wasn't going to law school I would try to get into 3 gun.
>>28864176
Nothing wrong with that. I'm a pretty average shooter in every discipline. I started with bullseye/Olympic shooting because that's what my dad did.
It get under my skin when "gun guys" try to divide the shooting community more sort of like ar vs ak or 9 vs 45. Everyone in the debate looks retarded, enjoy it for what they are.
>>28864222
Its a small enough community we really shouldn't be divided.
>>28864213
Uh, I wasn't speaking to the limitations of your sport, just saying all sports have a level of impracticality inherent in rule bound competition. Open division really shows this.
I shoot steel challenge, you should try it, dirt cheap to get into and 100% practical for a CCW holder.
>It's also the EXACT opposite of your sport.
'Good enough' shot placement with a pistol scoring by speed not groupings
>>28856513
Bongs are the fucking worst.
>>28864233
I fully agree, and most shooters get along fine. I do pistol speed shooting, and I totally respect the crazy skill of a target shooter.
It's the elitists in the different categories that try to force the division. Unfortunately they are almost exclusively found in bullseye and 'traditional' aristocratic shooting sports
>>28856682
>Not Greco-Roman
>Not slathering yourself in oil, slapping another man's tight ass, grabbing him by the benis, and grunting loudly.
It's like you don't even /k/.
>>28856263
>Why is /k/ so hostile against precision shooting sports?
So alien an environment to practical actual use of firearms that it might as well not be "shooting" at all.
Precision shooting does interest me, but it seems like an impossible to get into type thing where you need a $300 leather suit and a $4000 gun to shoot .22 at paper, and it seems like everyone starts extremely young... for that type of money I'd rather buy a wider variety of firearms.
>>28856713
Do you see what that guy is wearing? I would rather cut off my balls, join the air force, and start calling myself Ivy.
>>28857001
But they don't look cool at all. They no longer look like weapons. This board is dedicated to weapons, not sporting goods.
>>28857285
You sound extremely gay.
>>28864521
Fuck you buddy, I think they look awesome. Some sort of freaky space gun vibe to them. Maybe I have shit tastes because I think >>28857338
>>28856713
>>28856263
All have wicked cool jackets
Most people find it uninteresting and boring. Also, you're on 4chan, we'll bitch if you give us free money.
>>28858056
>>28858740
>>28859440
>>28864521
This. /k/ is about weapons, and Olympic shooters do everything possible to remove the weapon aspect from their sport in an attempt to not offend soccermoms. /k/ fetishizes soccermom offense.
>>28862954
Based Kephart.
>>28862686
What you define as 'pure shooting' cuts away everything to the point where you may as well be using lasers becasue what you define as pure is based on
>low recoil rifles
>positions that are meant for stationary targets
I like shooting sports, hell I could never actually sit through a rail gun match but I respect the hell out of it but don't pretend for a second there is any one aspect of shooting that is the end all be all.
>>28862554
Not a damn thing, that is based.
>>28864521
>This board is dedicated to weapons
Not this argument. See literally every /ak/, /k/ movies, /k/ books, /k/ video game thread.
>>28864717
In roughly 20 years of shooting I have yet to meet a shooter de-weaponize their gun not to piss people off. If anything they tend to over compensate by getting really edgy with the mods.
>>28864576
I am biased but the University of Memphis has the best jackets. Those tiger buttons.
>>28864939
What if I told you lasers are used for training.
>>28866199
>What if I told you lasers are used for training
I would be sad that they can't afford .22.
The moment you start putting on some heavy stiff clothing it becomes gay
>>28866232
>what is shit being cold for 500
>>28856263
>Is it just because they spend a lot of time shooting rather then just talking about it?
but they really dont, the round count on every one of those rifles is INCREDIBLY low and thats the nature of the sport, fewer rounds in barrel = better accuracy
>Is it because its really hard and you just cant manage to not look bad when you try it?
nigga nobody looks good doing that shit
>Is it because you just don't believe in working on fundamentals or good shooting forum?
you can work on fundamentals without sperging out completely though, you truly dont have ground to stand on here
>Is it because you don't have the attention span to shoot a full set?
Ive done it before, it was OK, certainly neat to try because its so different, but not something I would consider getting into
>Don't ever start the shit about .22LR not being real shooting. You come do highpower or 300m if you put as much time into training as you do running your mouth
I shoot the shit out of my 22's, theyre fun, decently accurate, cheap, but the precision ones (Anschutz, old Remington bolt target rifle) are the ones I shoot the least. Theyre HEAVY as fuck which makes off hand shooting impractical, I dont really go to ranges with decent bench setups often, so the bolt guns sit around and collect dust, ill take em out in summer mostly, throw on a t-shirt, grab a brick, go to the range and shoot maybe a hundred or so rounds at 100y while chilling out on a nice warm day to some music, its nice and relaxing
Theres a lot of reasons not to do to this kind of shooting, so lets begin
>impractical skill
youre not building on anything thats applicable to other types of shooting, the rifles are all heavily modified to the point where its less about trigger control and knowing your sights to more focusing on some bizarre stance. the way you shoot these matches and guns cannot carry over to any other gun or type of shooting because of the extreme differences and heavy modifications
>cont
>>28866297
>price
Anschutz rifles are great rifles, love the one I have, but fuck me are they expensive, if I didnt get a killer deal on it I would NEVER have bought one, EVER, the Remingtons I have are inherited so I dont have a cent in those. Not only do you have to start with an expensive base rifle, but then you have to go out and get expensive modifications, and expensive clothing. Why? Not because it takes you to a certain level of the competition, that just gets you in the door, that gets you to the bottom rung of the ladder. You sink a LOT of money into it and have really nothing to show
>support for matches
completely nonexistent. in my state i would guess there is maybe a couple dozen people who shoot like this, i have met 2, and they shoot matches maybe once a year, a YEAR. theres no interest in this style of shooting, its impractical and expensive, its too niche which prevents people from joining in and thus limits the amount of support for matches. why hold a match if 4 people are going to show?
if you want something with a MUCH lower barrier of entry along with enforcing PRACTICAL skills with a lot of events/matches/support, go look at USPSA. I shoot production division with my Glock 17, its an absolute blast and it makes you work on not only fundamentals but also stress shooting and shooting while moving instead of standing in a booth
you can do 3 gun if you want, but thats a lot less practical, but in terms of hitting targets, 3 gun is a lot easier, what's harder are the manipulations
>>28864350
>slapping another man's tight ass, grabbing him by the benis
You cannot hold bellow the waist in greco-roman. This rule was created to make it not totally gay
>>28866297
>>28866320
Well thought out and written post, sorry nobody recognized it man.
>>28856364
Tripods are for kids and pussies. We use carrying straps and a kinda stiff jacket. Anything else is illegal in the DFS.
>>28856393
We use 6.5mm mate it's bigger than pussy .223
>>28866297
>but they really dont, the round count on every one of those rifles is INCREDIBLY low and thats the nature of the sport, fewer rounds in barrel = better accuracy
I would say OP got it wrong saying that they shoot a lot, but they do Train a lot, they dry fire more than any of us
>>28866297
>its less about trigger control and knowing your sights to more focusing on some bizarre stance.
that is exceptionally wrong
>>28864222
AR>AK
9mm>45
It's objectively true.
>>28867077
I'd buy an AK in 45ACP
>>28856263
I suspect many of us who actually shoot start out trying to get decent groups, we work on sight alignment, trigger control and grip and with practice start getting better, but it takes time and it is hard to see large improvements even after investing months in dry fire trying to keep those sights undisturbed.
then we shoot some steel and all that work payed off because we find it easier to hit a big steel plate and move to the next one and the next one.
precision shooting takes a lot of effort to get good at it, practical shooting takes far less and is immediately satisfying.
Is biathlon /k/ approved?
>>28856263
Your average american still thinks of all his semi auto or bolt action guns as tools of self defense, and not of toys for grownups. They are edgy to the max, but because they aren't teenagers they think it's a grown ups point of view.
When the gun grabbers come they are all like "muh sporting purpose" but when it comes to sports they go full "muh tyranny, nignog home invaders and invading chicoms!!!1776!!!!". Really sad how firearms have become a hobby of the mentally challenged and/or general asshats.
>>28867108
>Is biathlon /k/ approved?
It should be but sadly /k/ is bundle of contradictions.
>>28862554
>My daughter shot rifle in High School.
damn, I remember when this place was full of edgy 12 year olds
I can't wait for "my grandchildren..." starts to pop up all over this place
>>28867160
>Implying it isn't still full of edgy 12 year olds
>>28859357
Biathlon is based on military training exercises. Whether it still reflects that heritage, I don't know.
>>28867140
>tfw no biathlon with big bolters
>>28867963
There are still some informal groups that still do it, make one yourself and freak out yuppies that think it's Red Dawn.
>>28866199
>In roughly 20 years of shooting I have yet to meet a shooter de-weaponize their gun not to piss people off.
>Brightly colored weird non functionally patterned shooting jackets.
>Pink, blue, purple tiger striped stocks.
>"British shooting advocate" literally says shooting isn't about weapons.
Yeah, get fucked.
>>28866683
>6.5mm
>Olympic style precision shooting
Pick one.
Skeet & trap shooting better in every way imo
>>28868004
>Brightly colored weird non functionally patterned shooting jackets.
What are sponsorships?
>Pink, blue, purple tiger striped stocks
What is not losing your gun in the snow?
>"British shooting advocate" literally says shooting isn't about weapons
A Britcuck who is hated in literally every professional shooting circle is not indicative of the sport as a whole. The shooters can't even practice without a fucking selfie stick attached to their gun that throws off balance becasue they fucking banned handguns.
>>28867077
Some people are scared of science, bro.
>>28867112
Fuck you. I have never used the "Muh sporting goods" defense against gun grabbers and seriously disdain those who do.
>>28868026
well, you are wrong about precision shooting
http://www.bleiker.ch/en/home/
Shot 10m air rifle in college. It's not tacticool or opera8er or nothin but it's no joke. Precision shooting is some hard shit. And you get gud at things like breathing and perfect trigger control, which carry over to other shooting disciplines.
>>28856263
You should come over to my house sometime, my driveway is icy and could use a bit of salt.
Also the guns look seriously retarded.
>>28868114
I believe you Anon. I have no doubt that Precision Shooters will do better at practical shooting than Practical Shooters will do at precision shooting.
>aiming
>precision
>stance
bof u sides is ded silly 'umies
>>28868324
Not everyone can use meme magic, you ork nigger.
>>28856452
>read dawn
>>28857962
10/10 acquiring of copies of Das Kapital right now to make paper AKs.
>>28856843
this:
>so only kids should work on the basics?
is pretty much this:
>so only kids should work on tying their shoes?
Breathing and stance becomes second nature to actual shooters.
>>28858669
IM SO ANGRY
>>28856688
Moron who knows nothing about what it's talking about identified. (I say it because I can't believe a male would be so ignorant) You don't shoot from the "flat surface", the tripod is to rest the rifle between shots, moron.
The U S Army and Marine Corps Rifle Teams shoot Precision smallbore but I'm sure you faggots know more than they do.
>stance look retarded as fuck
>able to hit small plates at 50-75 yards quite easily
>Costa stance
>used by Operators and SF guys
>can't hit shit
Why do the SEALs use the Costa stance anyways?
>>28856849
Lmao not knowing that americans speak proper english and you englishtards bastardized your own language. Shakespeare is better in american english, google that and it should start you on a journey that'll blow your mind mate proper fucked.
Biathalon went from skiing with military issue rifles to skiing with weak space guns that eliminate most of the challenge. Sure they can ski faster and shoot more accurately, but it makes it almost entirely a skiing sport.
>>28869105
Marine Corps don't have a smallbore team. Haven't since the early 90s. They do shoot NRA/CMP high power matches though.
>>28868004
>Brightly colored weird non functionally patterned shooting jackets.
For the sport those are incredibly functional. They limit movement. When you are looking for millimeters of precision the stiff shooting suits really help.
>Pink, blue, purple tiger striped stocks
What are teenage girls in the sport?
>"British shooting advocate" literally says shooting isn't about weapons
>British
You can't fucking buy knives there. They have to justify it somehow. Would you rather have them not own guns? Not enjoy shooting? Not have a responsible and mature way to show the ignorant public that guns are not evil baby killing machines?
>>28866297
>but they really dont, the round count on every one of those rifles is INCREDIBLY low and thats the nature of the sport, fewer rounds in barrel = better accuracy
High power yes. My .22 target rifle I've put 1000 rounds or more a week for 10 years now. The barrel is still fine on it.
>>28868033
indeed, ejacutilating and shooting transexuals is awesome.
>>28870265
>>28859113
But anon, i thought precision shooting had nothing to do with operating :^)
>>28870364
I can't find any info on this thing in video related, very interesting to me would love to get something like this to train trigger control with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW-B5g_qF-I
>>28870364
This is not true, if your shooting at a national level you can get a Section 5 certificate which allows you to own and shoot restricted firearms like pistols and self loading rifles bigger than .22
>>28870265
You can buy knives, you can buy shotguns, and you can buy rifles, don't be so fucking naive theres 5 ranges within 30 miles of me, but you are right, as a shooter in the UK we went through a tough few years recently, but shooting is getting more interest as people realise it more acessible than they thought and you dont need to be rich to shoot here, a SMLE and 100 rounds of .303 will cost you about £400/$600. Or if you'd prefer to just try it out .22 is £50/$70 for 1000 rounds and you dont need a license to go and shoot at a registered club, only to own a gun, and for roughly $10 plus ammo you can just go visit a club and try it out
