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So I'm getting my tax return soon and half is going to a rifle. Can any of you bullpupers tell me about your experiences? More specifically tavors and augs. Also does anyone know where I can find this Aug configuration
The Tavor is fucking great. Battle proven in Israel, works great with the Meprolight sights, pricey but worth every penny.
Fully ambi as well.
>>28852352
Get an AUG.
I held one.
I want one.
My shoulder feels wired not having one.
The Ergos are sex, it's weight is nice, it's ambidextrous, and did I mention it feels like sex?
>>28852378
>>28852377
Damn right out of the gate!
So here's what I've found so far
>Length
very similar
>Parts
Tavor parts exist, but it's too new for a good supply
Aug parts are available, but they ain't cheap
>Warranty
Tavor has a one year
Aug has no discernible clear warranty, but have seen pure conjecture that they are servicing even the early 80s Augs
>Ergos
Tavor takes the overall package with a nicer amphi setup and mag release placement
BUT
Aug has a lot of happy users as well, but the mag release is a problem
>Mags
Only going NATO style so IDGAF
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>>28852352
Bullpup bump
>>28852404
Meh. I've only held the AUG so I can't really argue there.
I just want an AUG and I think others would be happy with them as well.
Just recommending what I know, you know?
I'm still pissed that Steyr refuses to do another production run of the original A1 style.
If I wanted railz railz railz I'd buy a third AR.
>>28852726
How'd it feel? Like molesting an angel?
>>28852741
It's sad to think we'll never get to use all the AUG configurations.
>>28852755
>molesting
No, more like an angel gladly falling into my arms and sighing because she knew that's where she needed to be, shortly before cuddling and fucking.
And then more cuddling because why the fuck not.
Also, dinner afterwards.
>>28852800
Did you get a chance to hang it at your side? Been reading some pretty interesting reviews that say the smooth form factor makes it nice for rucking.
>>28852839
Nope. Sadly I didn't. It was my LGS-bros personal baby.
It was an old microtech one, so it didn't have the nice AR pattern magwell that I would want, but I'll be damned if it didn't make my decide to skip getting an AR to fill my 5.56 need right there.
>>28852377
>The Tavor is fucking great
>>28852863
You still friends with LCS Bro I'm desperate for some first hand accounts here
>>28852935
Yeah, I am.
I sadly don't have any more advice on what gun to get though.
Find a gun store in your area, and try her on.
>>28852968
>tfw can't find a store with either
It's an abstract pain
just picked my AUG up today
bretty cool
>>28853021
Damn bro, that sucks...
>>28852352
Wait for the MDR to come out and join the superior forward ejection masterrace.
>>28853051
Please post pics and tell me about it.
>>28852352
They stopped making the CQC rail kits for the A3s so get one while you can
http://www.pjs-steyraug.com/CQCKit.html
Also AUG>>Tavor
>>28853244
Tell me about what you like about both, and hate about both.
>>28853244
Also >having to send in to get rail attached for $400 dollary doos
Damn it bullpups you make me cry.
>>28853246
Aug
Love the way it disassembles, (makes cleaning a breeze) stock trigger feels better to me($30 upgrade makes it even better) grip angle and size is better.
Tavor
Hate the plastic, lots of sharp edges and feels strange (like abs plastic compared to pmag polymer) strange recoil impulse (maybe I just need to shoot it more) overall feels bulky compared to the aug.
Also the thing about Tavor face is real not bad unless you shoot suppressed and unbearable 9mm suppressed
End of the day they both work just fine but I feel the AUG is a better design
>>28853415
How about weight? Does the AUG really feel more quality or is it just a mind thing? How the parts for both? Any word on the warranty for AUGs, the total package of something is very important to me and I sincerely doubt that an Israeli backed company would be making a better warranty offer?
>>28853415
i wish i had an m&m rifle
>>28852711
Noice.
>>28853456
I never noticed much weight difference and the balance is awesome on bullpups.
See if you can fondle one of each if you can, if you decide Tavor maybe wait for the x95 it looks a little less bulky
>>28853551
Did you send yours into to get that CQC mod, drives me nuts that they want $450 for some fucking plastic! What'd you score your Aug for?
>>28853556
No I don't need rails and more rails, pretty sure they're aluminum. Mine is just the standard A3 with an aftermarket rail and A3 scope. Kinda wish I waited for the A3M1
$1800 plus $500 for the scope
>>28853580
How often do you take it out? Is it first choice? This is going to be my main 5.56er so it's gotta be tough enough.
>>28853488
>he wants m&ms
>not superior skittles
Nogunz pls go and stay go.
this
>>28853743
>worse in every conceivable way compared to a RFB or MDR
K&M M17S. Best bullpup trigger made, and Ichihachi lives on.
I am left handed, do they make an Aug for me?
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>>28854779
They're reversible. You have to buy a new bolt though.
>>28854797
Thank you anon
>>28854797
Bolts run about $250 and you can't swap the charging handle. It's a little disengenious to call an AUG ambidextrous, and I have one and love it.
>>28854820
Good thing I didn't.
>>28854779
Eat steel, beast!
>>28854718
This. I want one so bad.
>>28852352
>>28852711
I want to like the AUG but something about it is ugly as fuck.
Bump for more bullpup experience
>>28852352
K&M M17S
>you're welcome
>>28855953
It's okay if your sense of aesthetics haven't matured enough.
>>28856114
theres a bushmaster m17 on armslist right now im thinking about getting. only 600$
>>28856182
buy it and post pics.
>tbqh the K&M version is a pretty vast improvement, but the bushy is rarer and somewhat a collector's item
>>28856194
>K&M
Did that asshole ever come out with the 50BMG version?
>>28856167
>glock
>sense of aesthetics
lol
>>28856167
just say "no u" next time, it comes off as less pretentiously butthurt
>>28856182
Doesn't sound like it's worth it. The Bushmasters all have thoroughly meh reviews. Jew him down and get it at $500
>>28856206
You are proving me right.
>>28856205
No they are working on a .308 atm.
They make quality stuff. My 2nd K&M is already inna mail.
Any of the big 3 (AUG, Tavor, FS2000) will be good.
The FS2000 is no longer in production and is quickly becoming a collectors item, so that may affect your decision. IMO it is the best of the 3 though.
The Tavor has the biggest aftermarket and is the cheapest and has the best STANAG mag compatibility.
The AUG is the middle of the road (to me). But it has the most diverse configurations. You can get one that takes STANAG mags, or one that takes the superior Aug mags. You can get one with a 20in barrel, or 16in (Or 24 but those are pretty expensive).
Also, you're going to need to put some money into an optic no matter what. The iron sights on these rifles are shit/non-existent.
>>28856221
>No they are working on a .308 atm.
Why when KT has had the superior RFB and the DT MDR is coming out in a few months? What is the selling point of a KM bullpup in 308?
>>28856317
>Why should we sell pepsi when coke is already out there?
Why would you let a competitor dominate a market? That's dumb. Also the RFB (great as it is) is dropping off the market....just as it's becoming readily available for the first time since it was announced in 2007.
Does anyone with experience know if either of them are easy to work on? I enjoy learning how to disassemble and work on my guns, so I like them to be easy to learn.
>>28856317
RFB is a piece of junk, good in theory sort of thing.
The K&M system is well received and I assume they want to compete with the ridiculously expensive other .308pups coming out in the near future.
>>28856343
>Also the RFB (great as it is) is dropping off the market
I know, I'm pretty sure I told you this a while ago
>Why would you let a competitor dominate a market?
Because the market of .308 bullpups will become saturated before they get it out the door. There arent many semi-auto bullpup 50bmgs if any in the US.
>>28856352
>I dont own a RFB
>But its junk because MAC isnt shilling it
>>28856385
>1 competitor
>Saturated market
Que?
>>28856385
>I dont own a RFB
>But its junk because MAC isnt shilling it
I did own an RFB and sold it to fund my M17. I dont even like the tavor, friend.
>>28856194
>somewhat of a collectors gun
thats why im interested
>>28856212
the price is fine, you're the type of person everyone bitches about on armslist.
>>28856444
>>Saturated market
Considering they've sold about ~7500 of them, and they're currently going for almost dealer cost on gunbroker, I'd say the market for them is saturated. The M17S however in no way improves on what the RFB brings to the table, is in fact a step backwards, unlike the MDR with its caliber conversion and that the DT brand brings hype with it.
>>28856465
>things which never happened
So tell us shill, how is the M17S superior to the RFB.
I would wait for the MSBS-B and MDR to come out unless you have to have one right now. Only bullpup I fired was a Tavor, and it converted me to a buttman. All the weights in the ass, so it points better than the 11.5" "other" AR-15 I've used.
>>28856526
>So tell us shill, how is the M17S superior to the RFB.
Im not sure your talking to who you think your talking to. I just wrote about the RFB being good in theory but keltec fucked it up and also recommended the M17S.
How is that being a shill? If anything you are being a shill for keltec rn.
I wanted a 5.56 bullpup... That didnt use keltec's shitty polymer. Also, I didnt like the design and saw the strange ejection being a future issue, FAL magazines are stupid as fuck to be using in a modern .308.
Hmm what else... also after a few hundred rounds I decided that .308 in a bullpup is fairly retarded. Until then, Ill stick with a 5.56/.223
The trigger on the M17 is godlike. Unmatched. They use aluminum and steel instead of polymers. Take down is a breeze. Three lug bolt, heavy duty innards, been reliable as my AR's.
>>28856662
>Im not sure your talking to who you think your talking to. I just wrote about the RFB being good in theory but keltec fucked it up and also recommended the M17S.
And how did KT fuck it up?
>That didnt use keltec's shitty polymer.
No guns confirmed, almost every poly gun is nylon 6 or nylon 6/6. Also confirmed for having never fired either a M17S or RFB, enjoy burning the shit out of your face without a plastic cheek rest.
> saw the strange ejection being a future issue
You can shoot them straight up in the air and they work fine. But side ejection where you cant shoot it off hand is somehow superior?
>FAL magazines are stupid as fuck to be using in a modern .308
FAL mags are designed to be used with a tilting bolt, and it would be retarded for KT to make a proprietary mag.
>Hmm what else... also after a few hundred rounds I decided that .308 in a bullpup is fairly retarded
So you basically couldn't afford to feed it.
> They use aluminum and steel instead of polymers.
fudd confirmed.
>>28856727
Ah... Jesus christ.
1.)
Everything keltec I owned self-destructed on me and I really hate their products. Ill post a pic of my SU16 that self-destructed if you would like evidence.
2.)
Keltecs polymer is shitty. No fucking shit most guns use polymer. Glock polymer is amazing, as is steyr, and IWI, and most reputable companies
But keltec's whatever formula is like fucking cheap mattel plastic.
3.)
Per couple hundred rounds of non-bench usage you will get one hung up in the ejection chute. Good in theory not in practice.
4.)
They dont need proprietary magazines? They could have easily used AR10 pattern or something similiar and still currently widely available on the market with many options available.
5.)
I have plenty of .308s, cost is not an issue but generally bullpups dont have much weight in the front to offset the fact you are firing .308.
Im not say dont buy keltec or an RFB, but I am saying my personal experience with all things keltec is less than stellar.
>>28856847
>Keltecs polymer is shitty. No fucking shit most guns use polymer. Glock polymer is amazing, as is steyr, and IWI, and most reputable companies
They're all made from the same shit noguns, nylon 6 or nylon 6/6. KT uses Zytel (nylon 6/6) the exact same thing Steyr uses
http://www.steyrscout.org/general.htm
>Stock: Textured matte finished gray Zytel with black panel inserts and integral bipod for 7.62 mm and 7 mm - 08. Black for .376 and Tactical Scout.
>Per couple hundred rounds of non-bench usage you will get one hung up in the ejection chute. Good in theory not in practice.
What are you even talking about? Are you thinking of the case mouth getting stuck on the upper feed ramp? The only ejection chute issues I've heard about from years on thektog.org were with the first 50 or so that had black chutes, pretty much every RFB has a stainless one.
>They dont need proprietary magazines? They could have easily used AR10 pattern or something similiar and still currently widely available on the market with many options available.
AR10 mags arent compatible with a tilting bolt... hence why they used FAL mags, because the FAL has a tilting bolt. What do you have such a hatred of FAL mags?
>I have plenty of .308s, cost is not an issue but generally bullpups dont have much weight in the front to offset the fact you are firing .308.
Whether the weight is in front or back doesnt effect recoil. And if your shoulder hurts then just get a comp.
> Ill post a pic of my SU16 that self-destructed if you would like evidence.
I'd be interested in seeing it.
>your pic
oh wow, a Sig716 with no sights and rail covers, you certainly have your priorities in order. Also iron your flag.
>my personal experience with all things keltec is less than stellar.
There are plenty of legitimate issues with RFBs you could have brought up, but so far all i've heard is that you want a unballanced gun, and that .308 hurt your shoulder in a gun was a bit over a pound lighter than your Sig.
