Is 7.62x39mm obsolete?
>>28664132
Not in the slightest.
>>28664132
Completely.
>>28664132
depends
>>28664132
>>28664147
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>>28664152
If Christianity didn't exist all powder actuated guns would be obsolete, theres much more efficient ways of propelling metallic objects at high speeds
>Heavier than 5.56
>Worse against armor than 7.62 NATO
>>28664162
Are you implying Christianity was holding back the technological process of Asia and the Middle East during its golden age?
>>28664155
It's a very early intermediate cartridge. The bullet is heavy which is the nicest and worst thing about it.
On the plus side.
>Good barrier penetration.
>Depending on payload can really fuck up someone's day, especially with softpoints.
>Good deer cartridge.
On the downside.
>Not as light recoiling as 5.56 or 5.45.
>Can't carry as much ammo.
>Ballistics of a thrown rock, very steady but has a significant arc past 200-300m.
Russia is very conflicted. It was technically replaced when the AK-74 was adopted but in practice they have not only continued to use it but adopt new weapons in 7.62x39. It functionally mimics a battle rifle at close range. They love it for close quarters when they have to rip shit up, but prefer 5.45 for long foot patrols and outdoor firefights. Technically 9x39mm should have taken over the dedicated CQB role, but 7.62 still bridges the gap very well.
>>28664166
>heavier than 5.56
You say that like its a bad thing.
Its good at what it does, so is 5.56. 5.56 just has a longer theoretical range.
May as well use a Katana
Well it was replaced with 5.45x39 so yes
>>28664193
Thats shotgun range anon.
>>28664200
The soviets only moved to a lighter bullet because lead was too expensive.
Where can I buy copper washed 7.62x39?
>Obsolete
>Caliber of the most common rifle in the world
It doesn't have to be the best to be important, needed, and effective.
>>28664189
>Good barrier penetration.
>Depending on payload can really fuck up someone's day, especially with softpoints.
>Not as light recoiling as 5.56 or 5.45.
>Can't carry as much ammo.
>Ballistics of a thrown rock, very steady but has a significant arc past 200-300m.
It's a fitting round for Finland's conditions. Rarely will you engage an enemy past 200 metres in a forest.
>>28664277
I see the logic.
How does that apply to anyone with a bank account, a connection to the internet, and a reliable means of country wide delivery?
I just looked up 5.7x28 prices for the lulz, cause i was thinking about getting a p90. Ive never even heard of that round before. I can get 1000 rounds by the end of the month.
>2016
>shooting a meme round
>>28664219
lolno
>>28664132
it still kills things just as dead.
>>28664277
I like ur cat picture.
No. While there are newer rounds that achieve similar performance, it's too common. When you have ammo stocked in the billions (maybe trillions with 7.62x39) it's hard to designate obsolete.
>perfect CQB round
>cheaper then dirt
>non-meme 300BLK
>first widely available and still most popular intermediate rifle round
>widely available subsonic loads
>soft or hollow point for shooting people and animals also available
>obsolete
Lolno
>>28665069
>widely available subsonic loads
i googled it to see if i could find any and i can't. where should i look?
>>28665129
eastern europe
>>28664132
>Is 7.62x39mm obsolete?
No, not one bit.
>>28664399
>hey everybody, just stopped in from /b/ and look how underage I am
>>28664243
Canada
>MY FLYING METAL IS BETTER THAN YOUR FLYING METAL
>SAY THAT TO MY BULLETS U FAGENT
BRRRRRRRT
>>28664192
>5.56 just has a longer theoretical range.
>Lighter bullet
>Having a longer range
This guy
>>28664162
If autism didn't exist all shitposters would be obsolete, there's much more efficient ways of being an autist on a Taiwanese bread enthusiast forum.
>>28666204
>Being this autistic
Faster things go further.
7.62x39 is FUCKING PERFECT for deer. It's a great round for larger game
>>28666243
>Faster things go further.
>Projecting this much autism
Smaller bullets expend their energy going really fast over a relatively short distance.
It's why you can make a mile shot with a .300 Win Mag
>>28666243
Preservation of inertia is important. Objects with higher mass also maintain higher inertia. Initial velocity is nice, but it isn't everything.
>>28666243
Not so. The thing that keeps fast things moving and subsequently traveling farther is inertia. In lay-man terms, heavier objects moving at some speed will want to maintain their trajectory, this means that heavier bullets will be less influenced by factors like air resistance and wind and will travel a farther distance. They will have more energy to dispel over a greater distance than a smaller bullet travelling at the same speed.
>>28666285
There is no such thing as 'preservation of inertia'. Objects with higher mass have higher inertia as inertia is a property of massive objects. This inertia is the objects resistance to a change in motion; thus the more massive an object, the more resistance it offers to a change in motion. So if you compare two bullets, traveling at the same velocity, one more massive than the other, the more massive one will travel further as it will be less affected by non-conservative forces.
>>28666348
Yeah, that is literally the point.
>>28666367
Then say it right the first time.
OP no, its not obsolete. There's probably vagillions of these rounds floating around, with more produced every year. It's old and outclassed by newer shit, but not only does it have the benefit of being cheap and already heavily proliferated, but its also a good combat round.
People will be using it until something newer becomes the mass production sweetheart and slowly phases the old 7.62x39 out. Looks like 5.56 may be a contender for this, but its going to take a long time and countries would still have to have tons of it in stockpile to sell off to poorfags.
>>28666204
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>>28666367
>>28666633
The point i was trying to make is that the lighter grain bullet gets knocked around more in flight to the target than a heavier round, and the fact that its next to impossible to hit something 800 meters away with 7.62x39, but not outside the realm of possibility with 5.56×45.
Are yall gonna tell me im fucking wrong?
>>28664132
>Rewind to last June
>Just got muh WASR
>Load it up with RAS 7.62x39 I had been building up
>Start plugging an old pickup box bed we have set up
>Dump a few mags
>Go to check out the damage
>Entry side looks as expected
>Exit side ripped open way more than I expected
Not obsolete in the slightest.
>BUT IT CAN'T REACH OUT PAST XYZ YARDS
Then you need to learn ambush tactics, obviously.
>>28666789
>. Looks like 5.56 may be a contender for this
I seriously fucking doubt it at this point. 5.56x45 has been around for long enough that it would have established its dominance if it were supposed to.
5.56 may beat 7.62x39 at long range, but not in close range.
>>28664243
sometimes my LGS has it
Does anyone know what versions of the 7.62x39mm that Russia is producing now? In terms of obsolesence, I would say the biggest problem for this venerable round is its low velocity and hence poor performance against body armor, even with proper hardened steel core bullets. In fact, unlike the 5.45x39 or 7.62x54mmR cartridges, I don't think there has ever been a Tungsten core version of the 7.62x39mm. I guess because it's simply too low velocity to make use of the expensive metal.
Is Russia or any one else making any new variants of this round for new battlefields?
What makes Yugo M67 so good? I heard Golden Tiger is performs like it just without being corrosive.
Well, i think 7.62x39 is the best round for SHTF/CQB period.
Since in a SHTF scenario you would barely engage anybody at long ranges....so 7.62x39 should be good enough since every firefight will be held at <300
The FDF says no
>>28664132
I like 7.62x 39 for its reliable design ( dat taper ) and out of the AK it has better barrier penetration , more energy transfered and with golden tiger it will tumble and shatter shit in its way. Also won't tumble if a little leaf touches it.
It has shit range and it's heavier compared to the 5.56.
It's all , and like every fucking gun or munition it's up to your taste and what scenario your lookong at. 2-300 yards , thick barrier , jungle or Forrest the 7.62x39 works damn well but over open space 5.56 works better.
>>28666972
GT is the best hands down for its a fmjbt for better trajectory and has a empty space in the tip to tumble like a bitch. Since its longer it's also heavier.
>>28666899
Economics and realpolitik had more to do with the proliferation of 5.56 and 7.62 than actual ballistics.
>>28666285
>>28666316
>>28666348
>>28666367
>>28666633
>>28666810
Y'all are sperging out on the wrong autismo-point. Literally the only important non-conserved force acting on a bullet in flight is wind pressure/air friction.
Gravity effects are proportional, giving advantage to the faster bullet (regardless of mass).
It just so happens most available options for 7.62x39 has shitastic sectional density and BC, while many 5.56x45 options are fairly good, and some quite great. Hence:
>the fact that its next to impossible to hit something 800 meters away with 7.62x39, but not outside the realm of possibility with 5.56×45.
tl'dr, long range performance is about marrying the highest practical velocity with the highest practical BC. Mass is a tertiary factor only because of it limiting velocity and potentially improving sectional density and consequently BC.
>>28664132
This about sums up all of the internet
>>28667974
>tl'dr, long range performance is about marrying the highest practical velocity with the highest practical BC.
Is this why 6.5Mememoor is so popular lately? Because it isn't any higher velocity (or mass, obv.) than .308Win and it's made from less common components.
>>28664132
Seems to be doing fine in the middle east.
>>28668010
what a faggy fucking font
>>28668133
You don't have many options when more than half of the world uses the same cartridge against each other.
>>28668050
Exactly. Most 6.5CM loads retain more energy at long range than most .308win loads, despite .308 typically having more mass and higher muzzle energy. Energy at range is about minimizing friction losses, not about inertia.
Note that 5.45x39 has an even more efficient bullet shape than 5.56x45. If only the civilian sporting market would pick up on that, it could be quite the spectacular cartridge. Those two cartridges are straddling a line divided between case capacity vs bullet efficiency.
>>28668162
Add that to the list. Go back to reddit
>>28664172
Probably going with the meme that christianity was squashing all knowledge during the "dark" ages.
>>28664162
go push you childish beliefs some where else.
>>28664204
No, thats Shogun range, anon.
>>28664132
>is (insert firearm or caliber) obsolete
Does it kill shit just as well as it used to?
These threads are always retarded and attract the actual autists on /k/.
>>28664132
Nigga, if 7.62x54r is still the Russian go-to cartridge for LMGs, then 7.62x36 will never be obsolete.
>>28664162
AmazingAthiest pls go
>>28664132
Just stock up on .22 LR it'll be currency after by he economy goes. I just bought 10k more rounds.
>>28670637
please spare a bullet sir im so hungry i havent eaten in days
>>28664132
When 6.8 spc and .300 blk become mainstream, but likely not worldwide because muh filthy american imperialism.
>>28664298
7.62x39 is cheap, reliable, and effective out to a couple hundred yards. It's not the best at what it does, but it's enough, and you can't find better for the price.
